Panasonic: I want to join the ranks, but I doubt it ...

I have a Chinese production. She's a factory one. And my multi is all Chinese, except for Cuckoo. I can't eat food from pleasure.

the Japanese decided to remove it from production

I see nothing strange. The Japanese invented and introduced into production in their factories and in China. They wool their Chinese factories with terrible force in terms of quality. So, here the worries are unfounded.
Practically all major world manufactures have moved assembly to China due to the cheapness of slaves. strength. The same Apple, contrary to popular belief, makes iPhones and iPads 100% in China ...

I wanted a stove from the first series, and this one I like more than others in design and, they say, is the most compact. And the opinion of Irishka-Mikhaska is significant for me.
The only thing, I doubt: isn't it a fake? In the subject they write that the 257th has long been discontinued, but on the other hand, that Panasonic has no fakes. In general, I will get and see the year of issue.

Please, unsubscribe about your impressions.

Panasonic has one plant for the production of HP and it is located in China. The headquarters of the HP division in general in the UK

I will not argue, because I am swimming in these issues. But, my uncle and brother, (live in the Far East), took their HP in Japan and Japanese production.

Should this be alarming? Now I looked at Ozone, they have Panasonic half made in China, and half in Japan.

For Russia, it can and should be alarming, but in Ireland I have not met bad Chinese goods, believe me, I have something to compare with, I lived in Alma-Ata, and this is 300 km from China and saw enough of what Chinese goods could be
Here, my French technique is worse than the Chinese. The quality can be seen even in appearance.

Should this be alarming?

I don’t think so. On my 255th it says - Osaka Japan, made in China. For almost six years my darling has been working and, I hope, will not let me down further.

Now I looked at various online stores for detailed photos in 3D format, everyone's nameplates say what was made in China.

On my 255th it says - Osaka Japan, made in China.

Thank you
Everything, I will wait and not bother myself. If only they brought it ... if only they did it ...

[Galina]

I don’t think so. On my 255th it says - Osaka Japan, made in China. For almost six years my darling has been working and, I hope, will not let me down further.

Galina, on my 2500 it says the same and works great. But, due to the high humidity, rust appeared inside. This is a BIG problem in Ireland.
Olya, good luck!

[Biryusa]

If the question is for me, then I wanted a stove from the first series, and this one I like more than others in design and, they say, is the most compact. And the opinion of Irishka-Mikhaska is significant for me.

Biryusa, Thank you! The dispenser confuses me, won't it rumble?

I read the topic Bread Maker Panasonic SD-257In my opinion, no one there complained about it. And in the video about this stove, you can see that the dispenser is inserted tightly enough.

On my 255th it says - Osaka Japan, made in China.

The same is written on my 255 (Posture Japan, Made in China). Also 6 years already in business. Not every day, of course, but in a day / two - that's for sure. While pah-pah there were no complaints. And with bread, and with dough, and with jam and a dispenser she copes with a bang. If God forbid what .... so only Panas. I won't buy any other in my life.

Once again, Panasonic has one factory for the production of CP and it is located in China, this fact does not depend on our desires, alas.As well as the factory for the production of large-size LCD panels, former Mitsubishi and now owned by Panasonic, is located in Japan.

[sazalexter]

The dispenser confuses me, won't it rumble?

Yes, it fits tightly, I won't say anything. But when triggered, the sound is quite loud. Therefore, when someone is sick in the house or there are babies, I put all the supplements by hand.
=============================
sazalexter, so I do not argue. For what I bought, for which I sell Old from the Far East.
Thank you for the accurate information! There will be something to shine in front of local familiar bakers.

I will share my modest experience with HP Mulinex QW2000, LG (I don't remember the model) and Panas 2501. Panasonic, of course, is a cut above. Firstly, purely constructively - the gland is in a hard glass and does not loose it so quickly (what happened in 2 years of not too frequent operation of the Mulinex). Better thermal insulation. In mulinex, I was able to make a normal crust only when there were no drafts in the room, or I had to add more sugar to the recipe. The result on Moulinex and ELJI strongly depends on the quality of flour - on cheap flour, as a rule, the crumb is loose and the dough does not fit well. I had to compensate for this business with sugar, yeast and panifarin. At Panasonic, which surprised me, the result is about the same, both on Ashanovskaya flour and on imported flour with a price of 100 r / kg and without any additives. Although here the role is played not so much by constructiveness as by the presence of continuous modes in Panasonic (up to 6 hours), which allows you to use all the gluten with a low content of it in flour. On the other hand, the price of these HPs differs by 2-3 times. It is impossible to acquire CP for reasons of economy on purchased bread. Yes, theoretically, if you make bread similar to that produced by the bakery, the payback time for HP is 2-3 years, but soon you will want to make normal bread - with butter instead of margarine (the cost price of a loaf will grow 2 times automatically), exotic flour and other delights. In this case, the payback period will overlap the device's service life. Therefore, the purchase of HP can be recommended to those who sell only semi-edible "ashanbatons" in nearby stores, or want to make high-quality bread with their own hands and please loved ones.

Good day. Help me make a choice, a decision was made at a family council to take Panasonic, there are 2501 in stores for 9600 rubles. and 2511 for 9440 p.
Tell me which one is better? Much has been written about the 2501, but the 2511 model is fresh on it, few reviews.

Tell me which one is better?

They are the same in terms of reliability. Choose by options.

So I wanted to understand what options these models differ in, whether new options are needed or old enough?
It's just that the manufacturer's website does not really describe the model 2511, so I planned to find out from the happy "are they happy?" owners of this device what's new in it?

[Phantom]

Phantom, SD-2511 is a minor update to SD-2501. It's just that the SD-2501 is discontinued, the model range is being updated. SD-2500 --- 2510, SD-2501 --- 2511, SD-ZB2502 ---- SD-ZB2512

I have SD-ZB2502. For four years of operation, there was not a single unsuccessful bread! I put all the ingredients and that's it! And I don't follow the bun. The stove won't let me down. Before that, there was a puncture with x / n LG. Only dough for dumplings was good in it)))

By dispenser.
With a delayed start, there are misfires without a dispenser, since water penetrates into the yeast. If the bread maker is in the kitchen, it is better to take it with a yeast dispenser. When you want to have bread in the morning.
Otherwise, everything is super.

Panasonic 2501.
I think any Panasonic model will be good, the question is in finances, I took on the action, there was a 40 percent discount, I would not take it at the full price.

Buy the scales right away and take the recipes from the site, not from the book.
You can take a used one.

It is not a fact that the new models are better, the manufacturer has changed, the sellers said the class became lower in the new models.

The scales are there. I can't decide on the functionality of the stoves on each site, a different description ...
2501 baking weight 1250 gr.
2511 baking weight 1000 gr. There is a program "Coarse flour bread", it seems like 2501 does not have this.
Fundamentally?

the manufacturer changed, the sellers said the class became lower for new models.

It's a delusion! As before, Panasonic produces its HP at its own factory in China.

2501 baking weight 1250 gr.
2511 baking weight 1000 gr. There is a program "Coarse flour bread", it seems like 2501 does not have this.

This is a common mistake. The maximum weight is 1250gr there and there is Wholemeal Bread.
Doubt? See instructions.

I'll put in my 5 kopecks.
I have a 2500 model without a dispenser. This means that nothing rattles and does not rumble. If you want bread with raisins, for example, I add it on a signal. But, I want to note that although the raisins are laid almost at the end of the batch, the shoulder blade still manages to grind it. So whole raisins in bread will not work.
Also, my model doesn't have the Rye program. And it is not necessary, I manage with others, of which there are enough.
And I bake recipes from the supplement book, especially often simple and dairy. Only water is often replaced with whey, and I use live yeast. I use dry ones extremely rarely, only when I forget to buy, and I'm too lazy to run to the store.
My bread maker is soon 4 years old, I am very pleased that I bought Panasonic. Chose
also very long and difficult, shoveled the entire Internet. I am sure that I made the right choice.

[Phantom]

Phantom, if the price does not differ significantly, take 2511, it has more programs. They do not interfere with anything, let them be. If you don't like it, you just won't use these programs and that's it. And maybe they will come in handy)

I have 2501 for a year now. There is only one thought - it was necessary to buy earlier! My dispenser is not very noisy, I don't know, there is nothing to compare with, but no one is scared on the balcony on the floor (there is no door between the kitchen and the balcony), the floor is unheated - bread is always good. Recipes from both the website and the instructions - especially good "from several types of flour".

I found instructions here are additional programs that are in the 2511, in contrast to the 2501 model:
Baking menu number 02 - Basic low-yeast bread cooking time 4-50 min
Baking menu number 05 - Basic bread with filling cooking time 4-05 min
Dough menu number 16 - Basic low-yeast bread cooking time 2-50 min
Dough menu number 18 - Basic bread with filling cooking time 2-20 min
Also in 2511 the cover is removed.

Thank you all, purchased 2511. We have already baked the first loaf of bread, it is cooling under a towel ...

[Phantom]

Phantom, Congratulations on your purchase! Now go to the profile branch https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=197192.4900 and bake according to forum recipes

Hello! I just can't decide which bread maker to take from Panasonic - 2502 or 2512.
Now I think that I will only use it for baking bread - in Moscow bread after Altai is disgusting).

Download instructions on the official website and see what programs are there. 2512 seems to have more of them. I propose to consider the option to "try to get" HP of the same modification, but for a model intended for Europe (other letters after the number) - there are more programs for bread and these additional. the programs are pretty interesting.

[vlauga]

vlauga, Panasonic SD-ZB2502, Panasonic SD-2501WTS look at these models.

Thank you! But can you tell why? (I have never had a bread maker, here life forces, so no experience, I ask experienced advice)

Thank you! But can you tell why? (I have never had a bread maker, here life makes me, so no experience, I ask experienced advice)

no matter how many programs, after a while you will use a couple of basic ones.

I still have a Panasonic 250, have been working for 5 years already, we use fast baked goods, dumplings and pizza - these are programs that are sooo often used in our family, the rest is quite rare

Poantno. And what's wrong with 2512 besides the price? I have to choose from it and 2502 by color where it will stand.

If I'm not mistaken in these models, yeast is poured into the dispenser, somewhere I read that the owners are not entirely satisfied with the sounds they make when opening the dispenser. 12 models have a program for baking low yeast dough.

no matter how many programs, after a while you will use a couple of basic ones.

I totally agree.

[00]

I have a Panasonic SD-25 stove00 (European version). I am very pleased!!! I use only 3 modes, sometimes 2 more, that is, only 5.It is VERY rare with some others from the existing ones, and then, if it were not, they would have survived on 3:
"Basic" - for bread;
"Fast" - for mixing unleavened dough;
"Yeast dough" - for making yeast dough.

[vlauga]

vlauga, and what kind of bread do you buy in the store, what do you like? You can choose according to your preferences and possibilities.

the owners are not entirely happy with the sounds they make when opening the dispenser

: girl-yes: yes, my 2502 pours out yeast with a rather loud click .. but still sooo happy with the stove for more than 3 years

If I'm not mistaken in these models, yeast is poured into the dispenser, somewhere I read that the owners are not entirely satisfied with the sounds they make when opening the dispenser. 12 models have a program for baking low yeast dough.

It's normal, this sound is less than half a minute, and you close the door to the kitchen and you can hardly hear it. Even a child does not wake up from clicks.

where he used to live, bread was baked correctly and from normal grain, and it was DELICIOUS. In Moscow, basically the taste of almost any bread - NO.
Bread is needed from white to rye, but mostly medium, with bran. Only delicious). I choose from 2502 and 2512 - are they fundamentally different?

[vlauga]

vlauga, for these purposes both 2502 and 2512 will do.

I choose from 2502 and 2512 - are they fundamentally different?

Then my advice is to choose 2512. This oven has a mode of low-yeast bread, but it turns out to be special ... especially tasty ... Everything else you need is there too.

Thank you, I will.

Download instructions on the official website and see what programs are there. 2512 seems to have more of them. I propose to consider the option to "try to get" HP of the same modification, but for a model intended for Europe (other letters after the number) - there are more programs for bread and these additional. the programs are pretty interesting.

Interesting! What are really different European models? Is it really worth taking there?

Interesting! What are really different European models? Is it really worth taking there?

DIFFERENT But whether you should take a European, if you live in Moscow - is doubtful. There, the regimes are adjusted to Europe, and the stoves for Russia - to Russia

For Europe and Russia, Panasonic's HP-s have adjusted everything: modes and recipes (different in different languages, not the same), according to traditional cuisines and products. So why is a European in Moscow?

If you want to cook something European, then you can just take the recipe and bake it on a suitable program. At the same time, living in Russia, at any time you can use what is intended specifically for Russia

DIFFERENT But whether you should take a European, if you live in Moscow - is doubtful. There, the regimes are adjusted for Europe, and the stoves for Russia - for Russia

Do you think that the same models for different regions of the world differ only in books? Or are yeast and flour dramatic? Well, I will definitely prefer flour from hard Siberian-Kazakh varieties, and normal yeast is definitely foreign)