Panasonic: I want to join the ranks, but I doubt it ...

I also want to ask. My old Vitesse bucket began to leak, it seems unrealistic to replace it, and I began to look closely at other bread makers, in particular, Panas. The power confuses me - 550 watts. Is it not enough? The Vitesse has 600 watts and I can't say that it is very powerful. At least I don’t knead a steep dough like dumplings in it, it’s very tense.
And in Panasonic there is a program for a cool dough, and there is a larger bucket in it, you can make more dough. How does it deal with this with such modest power?

I have 2511. I use the "Low-yeast bread" mode all the time. The dispenser turned out to be unclaimed for me.

How does it deal with this with such modest power?

There is a program for dumplings dough in Panasonic, but you can't make a lot of dough at one time in it - according to the recipe from the instructions for dumplings: 450 g of flour + 210 ml of water, not counting salt and egg. It mixes for 20 minutes, the dough is very good. However, a bread maker is still not a dough mixer, it heats up along the way (not critical, but suspiciously) and too frequent kneading of a steep dough is probably not good for it. Therefore, some fellow citizens (including me) slightly reduce the load due to the amount of flour, kneading the dough thinner and slightly stirring it with handles. There are also options like a pizza dough program, but there is even less flour according to the recipe, but, for example, for a low-yeast, thinner dough, the volumes increase (600 g flour + 300 water, not counting the rest).
As for the power for the main function, everything is fine here - I haven't tried a very short (2 hours) "fast" mode, but on the main (4 hours), low-yeast (4 hours 50 minutes) and even more French (6 hours) modes you get an excellent fried crust.

Here half of the forum makes dumplings in a food processor in 30 seconds. If necessary, I can find a link.

[SvetaI]

SvetaI550W is the power of the heater. Panasonic has everything in order with the kneading of dumplings dough.

Thank you all for the clarification!
Maybe I'll decide to buy when mine is completely leaky.
In general, I have an excellent kneader, so if you suddenly need to make dumplings for a year in advance, you can not strain the bread maker.
But you still need a bread maker, you sometimes want to throw in the food and say: "Boil a pot"
And so that he "cooks" and does not complain that it is hard, that there is a lot of flour and in general everything is tired

And so that he "cooks" and does not complain that it is hard, that there is a lot of flour and in general everything is tired

Then it's only Panasik !!!

[Svetlana]

Svetlana, I kneaded the dough on dumplings several times. And she kneaded in four passes of 450-500 g of flour. Everything was normal. The stove is working.

Tell me, is the shelf life of bread from KhP different from the store one? Does the bread get stale faster?

The question is, of course, an interesting one ...
It happens that he does not have time to stale.
It happens that it can. For prevention, I keep it in a bag in the refrigerator.

Does the bread get stale faster?

Depends on the recipe. If the composition contains only water, flour, salt and yeast - it stale quickly. The more fat (vegetable oil, butter, milk instead of water or sour milk), the longer it stays fresh. Eggs seem to also speed up the hardening.
My store bread is more likely to grow moldy, and homemade bread dries up (if suddenly a piece remains and we forget about it). But this is with a shelf life of about a week.

My store bread is rather moldy, and homemade bread dries up.

I can't eat store bread for 2-3 days. And my own - I can, he does not start to smell anything unpleasant. But it can dry up.Then on his croutons or bread crumbs.

We select a bread maker for my sister, she wanted Panasonic, they started looking for cheaper places and came across the online store Breadmaker24. rf
prices there are attractive, discounts on Panasonic are large, for 2000 rubles, Panasonic SD-2510 can be bought for 7990 rubles
at first I liked it, but now it somehow took a doubt, began to look for reviews about them, did not find a single one.
Found the Trust website on the web. They seem to be doing an analysis, but did not understand how it is done, the only information was that the age of this domain is 120 days.
Maybe someone else saw such an online store and bought there? share information

[sveta-Lana]

sveta-Lana, are they on the Yandex market?

Are they on the Yandex market?

I do not even know
When I was looking for a bread maker for myself, I did not come across such a store, but here in contact there was an advertisement that they had good discounts, well, I went to them, at first I was delighted, but now I doubted ..

And what do they write about them in contact?

And what do they write about them in contact?

in contact, I saw only their advertisements, there always some advertisements pop up on the page on the left, so I pecked to see

Do they have a page in VK? They usually write reviews there.

I did not find, if indeed their site is only 120 days old, then I probably have not yet created a page in contact

Added on Monday 10 Oct 2016 5:57 PM

found more information on the site Trust on the Internet that this online store is not in the Yandex catalogs, and DMOZ.org
maybe scammers?

[sveta-Lana]

sveta-Lanaif they do not have a prepayment, then you can buy.

Added on Monday 10 Oct 2016 5:59 PM

And prices now depend on the greed of the seller.

I could not find a prepayment from them, they promise delivery by mail and courier,
a window opened, asked a question about payment in cash upon receipt of the goods, but there is still no answer

[sveta-Lana]

sveta-Lana, they have a free phone, call them, find out everything.

[$ vetLana]

$ vetLana, my sister decided to postpone the purchase

Thanks to everyone who helped me with the choice of a bread machine. Now I have a Panasonic 2511, urrah! I really like.

Now I have a Panasonic 2511, urrah!

Congratulations! Welcome to Panasonic themes!

[Varvarka]

Varvarka, delicious bread!

Many thanks! And the bread in Panasonic is really wonderful. And delicious bread to all of you

girls, I want to buy a Panasonic 2500, for a bread machine24, the prices there are more or less normal and delivery is not so expensive, did anyone buy from them? I am confused by such prices, to be honest, can anyone know what kind of office? is it worth taking from them or not? they have a cash payment to the courier, like, no prepayment, delivery throughout Russia. something dumb to buy from them, judging by what they write about them above. maybe there is someone who took from them already?

Online store bread machine24. rf is a scam. Prices are very low, and we bought it. Nobody asks for prepayment there. But! On the day of our order, no one called back, in the evening I called them myself, they replied that the manager called me and could not get through. Strange, I did not have unanswered calls and the phone did not disconnect, and did not lose contact. This should have been alarming from the very beginning (besides VERY low prices :))
In short - after several negotiations with the manager, on the 3rd day they called and said that the ordered model was not! Is there no such model? Not. Is there such a thing? No, and finally I don’t see what it is, make a new order, wait, then you will find out whether it is there or not.
What is the catch of their divorce, I do not know, apparently it was necessary to buy the model that the manager imposed in a conversation. Perhaps they only managed to repair it and sell it at a lower price .. I don’t presume to judge what they earn. But since there are no legal entities on the site. addresses or other information about the bakery store 24. rf, and the operators are unlikely to tell where to go to complain, then buy a bread machine in the store24. рф I do not recommend.
Several days have passed since Bread Maker24 was in the online store. рф I was told that the model I ordered was sent back to China, since the entire delivery is defective.Still on the site, this model and others that are not, appear as "in stock" and all the same prices ...

Good morning. Relatives asked to buy a bread maker, but since they still do not know whether they can handle it, and there is no extra money. They live in the village, they entrusted me to buy. I choose from Panasonic. There are several models at the famous flea market. Please help me with a choice.
1. Panasonic SD 2500 - new
2. Panasonic SD-206 - new, they write that the assembly is Japan. Not knowing how important it is, and the model seems to be ancient.
3. Panasonic sd255 or 254 - new
4. Panasonic SD-2501 and 2502 - different degree of used.
I myself have never had a bread machine, I don't know from which side to approach it. The only thing that I realized is that we need Panasonic. My head is already spinning, what to buy, so that my relatives do not nailed it later.

Any purchase from hands is a lottery. But Panasonic is a great stove. I have 2501.

It's clear about the lottery account, especially when you don't know. They won't pull a new one. For the price of a new one, you can buy two or three not very new ones.

3. Panasonic sd255 or 254 - new
4. Panasonic SD-2501

Choose from them.

The list has been reduced to three, Hurray!
Is it better to buy a new one? If you look at the Panasonic sd255 and 254, which is better or is it the Panasonic SD-2501?
As they have with black bread, otherwise the relatives do not eat white, only with bran or black.

Like theirs with black bread

Just great!
Recipes https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&board=262.0
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&board=263.0
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&board=264.0

For bread makers, here are bread recipes

Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&board=499.0

[Gingi]

Gingi, buy a model from a cat. there is a Rye mode and a special comb-mixer for rye bread.

You should not get hung up on the comb. She bends. A normal scapula does just fine.
Different degree of used is a relative concept. This will manifest itself already during operation. I bake rye even at 2500 and it turns out well. How can a "new" model be out of production for a hundred years - I don't understand. And immediately about the dispenser. I can do fine without him. I'm not afraid that it will jam. I would recommend the new 2500.

I can't call myself a super specialist in models, but, as far as I remember, the earlier versions have fewer baking modes and the simpler (and cheaper) models of the same line (for example, 2500 and additional functions on 2501, 2502) do not have a "rye" mode. With some experience or unpretentious requests, it is not important (although I, when using 3 modes out of all possible, prefer "low-yeast", but it is not in old models), but if relatives are big fans of black bread ... And keep in mind that It is difficult to bake a "real" Borodinsky in a bread maker - of course, black can be obtained by adding red malt and soluble chicory (the question is whether it is in the village) or panifarin (or whatever it is, in short, a ready-made additive), but the corresponding taste and good "raising" with a very high percentage of rye flour in the dough and relatively short cycles included in the program is difficult to get without "dancing with a tambourine". As for the "second-hand" stove itself, it is very individual and it is desirable to watch the state "live" - ​​Panasonic models, as far as I know, are all very reliable, but with barbaric handling, you can scratch the coating and spoil the spatula ...
P.S. On the question of "tambourines", here are the instructions for baking black bread https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=9345.0

As for the "second-hand" stove itself, it is very individual and it is desirable to watch the state "live" - ​​Panasonic models, as far as I know, are all very reliable, but with barbaric handling, you can scratch the coating and spoil the spatula ...

It is difficult to determine the state when you do not understand anything about it, who confesses that he mocked the technique. Everyone says that they did not use the gift or only used it a couple of times and got tired of it.
Relatives are not friendly with the Internet, and they are already old ... so I will have to help them. I thought that bread only needed flour, water and yeast, but here it turns out there is still so much to do. Hope that all these extra. components are not in short supply.
While I am looking for them and reading the forum, I looked at the model SD 2511 for myself, but until I decided whether I needed it, the prices for it are not at all humane.

As of - you can at least look outwardly, scratches and chips on Teflon are clearly visible.For simple white bread, it is true that much fewer ingredients are needed, and for black (not Borodino) in general, too, but as a rule it will be 30-50% rye (the rest is wheat flour). For example, I took this recipe and then modified it. https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=86176.0 - I have 2510 - with a low-yeast mode, but without rye. I bake it as usual, the bread is delicious, but the taste is different compared to 100% rye.

[Galina]

I looked after the model SD 2511

Galina, I have such a stove. She has a dispenser. Do you need it? Without it, cheaper stoves can be found.

[$ vetLana]

$ vetLanaI'm not sure about the dispenser, but it has programs for rye and little yeast bread, and my husband, in his old age, began to advocate for a healthy lifestyle. I'm ready to buy a stove even tomorrow, but I'm still resisting, they won't turn around in the kitchen, if you also put a bread maker, then you will have to fly.

Added Thursday, 08 Dec 2016 5:09 PM

VENIKA, I missed something 2510. So many models, appearance, filling and prices are almost the same, the head is already spinning.

[Gingi]

Gingi, Galina, young yeast is a good regimen.

if you also put a bread maker

can be stored outside the kitchen. She will not work all the time.
A dispenser is needed if you are going to bake bread with nuts, raisins, etc.
Today I baked bread with herbs. The dispenser is very good for recipes like this.

And the models are really similar both in appearance and in a bucket (there is a plastic and metal outer case, but the "filling" is the same), only the later ovens have a little more modes for baking and dough. The 2510, 2511, 2512 have a low-yeast mode - half the amount of yeast (useful for the stomach) and you can bake Italian bread (there is no Italian bread in the recipes, the Italian mode is only in the English-language version, but with a low-yeast mode it turns out without hassle). At first I wanted to buy 2501 or 2511 for rye, but the toad strangled - the price was noticeably higher, and black bread suits me quite well with 30% rye flour (in such a modification of the above recipe, more precisely in its third edition below in the messages)) https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=437876.0 ). The kitchen is also small, at first the stove lived on the windowsill, and when it got colder, I drove the multicooker onto the microwave with a second layer))))

[VENIKA]

VENIKA, The microwave has been living on the windowsill for a long time, the multicooker is still on the table. The recipe is very interesting, it seems not very complicated. : rose: The case is small, it remains to choose a bread maker.

[Waist]

Well then, good luck in choosing, to tell the truth, I chose for a long time and tediously, but now, using it, I would simplify the choice to several "key" positions: 1) do you need rye bread (up to 50% flour) on a full automatic machine (without the help of a simple spatula silicone spatula manually outside); 2) whether low-yeast bread is needed; 3) whether you need bread with automatic casting of yeast or all-purpose raisins in the baking process using a dispenser. Everything else is more or less the same. Personally, I have not been impressed by the benefits of the dispenser (as far as I understand, bread with pressed yeast can be baked anyway https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=430257.0 ), I regret the rye regime sometimes, but not critical, but the low-yeast regime definitely LIKE it. And keep in mind 2 things (I did not attach importance to them before buying and at first strained a little on this topic) - the shortest of the acceptable modes (main) lasts 4 hours (with kneading and raising), low-yeast 4:50 and French (also very tasty) 6 hours, so the trick "folded it, waved a magic fork, the bread is ready" did not work out)) But you can, like with a multicooker - throw everything and go to work. And the taste of the bread will not be "shop", but different. Especially if you bake immediately the simplest one on the main mode (there really is only yeast, flour, salt, sugar, vegetable oil and water) Waist (Italian on low-yeast mode: 1 tsp. yeast, 400 g flour (I take 425 flour from me "weaker" European flour), 1.5 tsp. salt, 1.5 tbsp.l. olive oil, 260 ml of water).

[VENIKA]

VENIKA, the choice is not an easy thing, especially when not yourself. Now we need to provide for our relatives, and then we can think about ourselves.
Dispensers are different for me without special need, I can fall asleep myself, but the modes for rye and little yeast bread, I think, will come in handy.

so the trick "folded, waved a magic fork, bread is ready" did not work))

This is what scares me. There was a thought that we will buy a bread maker, and without any particular difficulties, we will finally begin to eat normal bread. And, it turns out, not everything is so simple, how much you need to know, take into account. It's like getting another education. And now I don't know if our old people will cope with this technique, maybe they shouldn't mess with it.

[Gingi]

Gingi, buy yourself, figure it out, and then teach your relatives

[Gingi]

Gingi, absolutely exactly follow the recipe from the attached recipe book and ALWAYS everything works out! Do not be afraid!