Panasonic: I want to join the ranks, but I doubt it ...

Good day everyone!
Now there is a question of purchasing three bread machines for the dacha, where I spend the whole summer. The first (not counting, but the one that is still alive) is Kenwood-450. Since my soul wants variety, I look closely at Panasonic 2501. There are a couple of questions, tell me:
1) How long does the bucket last? This is my most important question, because in Kenwood, the bucket starts to leak after about 6-10 months. This is his big drawback.
2) Is there a round bucket as an option. Sometimes it's nice to bake round baked goods
3) As I understand in Panasonic there is no mode of cooking bakery products without using yeast? Who bakes the muffins, as I understand it, is mixed first with a mixer, and then baked in a bread maker. I'm right
Before Kenwood, he dealt with two more bread makers. They were much cheaper. They baked great until I tried baking in Kenwood. It was only in it that muffins began to bake, black bread began to turn out, and white bread became not just tasty, but unique, etc. It is interesting to hear a comparative analysis of Panasonic users in comparison with other brands.
Thank you and forgive me if these questions have already surfaced. Have not found

[Non-standard forms at Panasonic]

Such questions have surfaced, but it is no longer possible to find where they were. And we are always happy to share information.

Regarding the survivability of buckets in models 2500-01-02, I will not say anything, it seems that there have been no problems so far, such information has not flashed. I have model 255 for four and a half years, and the bucket is four years old - it's the second. I spoiled the first one myself by dropping a spoon into a working bread maker. For four years, not a hint of a course. It happened a couple of times that the shaft in the bucket itself turned with difficulty. Solved the problem with a few drops of household machine oil applied to the outside of the agitator assembly. In general, neither by hearsay, nor in reports, information about the leakage and / or jamming of the bucket did not come across.

There seems to be no separate mode of yeast-free baking in the new Panasonic. There is a separate baking mode.

"Standard" round-shaped buckets are not provided in Panasonic. But our skilled craftswomen can handle everything - there is already a very big topic Non-standard forms at Panasonic, read, you will find a lot of interesting things.

Thanks for the clarification!
Here's another question left. I want to buy a 2500 model since I don’t use dispensers on my Kenwood, then I can do without it here too. But the 2500 does not have a rye scoop. How much does it help? I'm in Kenwood, interfering with the usual one and I think that it is not really needed. Am I wrong?
Yes, I also noticed that there is no Rye mode in the 2500 model, is it fraught? Who prepares rye bread in 2500 - answer, please!

Yes, I also noticed that there is no Rye mode in the 2500 model, is it fraught? Who prepares rye bread in 2500 - answer, please!

Do not worry. I do without this spatula and the dough kneads well. And these teeth, as it were, reduce the load on the engine when kneading hard dough. But the teeth themselves do not stand - bend. When kneading such a dough, keep an eye on the bun so that it is not very steep and follow the dough recipe. And you can even look at the bent comb-blades on this branch of the photo. I don't remember the link to the vskidku, but if I find it, I'll post it. Good luck to you!

Yes, I also noticed that there is no Rye mode in the 2500 model, is it fraught? Who prepares rye bread in 2500 - answer, please!

It is not fraught and not at all scary. Rye bread is also baked in 2501 by selecting programs. Read the advice of Vanya28 in rye bread. There, everything is step by step painted on the shelves.

Thank you very much

Hurrah!!! Bought not Panasonic and am glad to the point of madness !!!!! Too outdated and unnecessarily expensive bread maker. Look for something more modern.

I think it was squeaked by a boorish seller of one of the chain stores, who was trying to "sniff" Bork to me when I initially came for Panas. and what do you think? I was led to his wiring and went to pay this Bork to the cashier.
and what do you think next, I will now join the ranks of the disappointed? but no. my bank blocked my card right at the checkout, preventing, so to speak, an irreparable mistake.

Well, I understand that now, but the day before yesterday I was tearing and throwing. went to the bank, wasting a lot of time on it, withdrew the cash, in the evening I read your forum again and was horrified, on What exactly I was offered to replace Panasik ...
In general, yesterday, on the second round, I came to the same store (I just had a decent amount of discount points and did not want to lose them), there again the same “sold” rushes at me and starts to fool me with these “marketing passes” ... well I explained to him in one sentence all that he was wrong and he fell off somewhere behind the neighboring shelves .. here

Panasik 2502, however, I got the last one, from the showcase, and the recipe book was given from 2501, the original one "went away" somewhere ..)) but I reasoned so - if HB is normal, then the recipes on your forum - do not _repeat, for that of course, many thanks to everyone !! Well, if the stove is mocking, then the original recipes will not save.

tell me, pliz, where can I post my first experience (successful, I'll tell you right away) baking with a bunch of pictures? and then so many topics, I can not decide .. Thank you.

tell me, pliz, where can I post my first experience (successful, I'll tell you right away) baking with a bunch of pictures? and then so many topics, I can not decide .. Thank you.

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Friends, who has been on Panasonic to bake cupcakes from yeastless dough? Is it working or not?

Have tried. On the "baking" mode. But this is so first of all, out of curiosity. It tastes better in the oven. IMHO.

[PMich]

PMich Matsu and chapatis no, have not tried such a perversion Oh sorry, we are talking about cupcakes, cupcakes without problems

[PMich]

PMich Matsu and chapatis have not tried such a perversion Oh sorry we are talking about cupcakes, cupcakes no problem

What does matzo have to do with it? I kind of wrote in Russian about a cake made from yeast-free dough. You don’t know what it is. For this "Baking Dough Baking Powder" is sold. So that is really not a Panasonic capable of this
Today I went to buy Panasonic, but the "specialist" in the store said that the cake, the yeast-free bread maker, does not bake very well, like all other brands. I was very surprised, because in kenwood I regularly bake cupcakes with a bang. It turns out better than in the oven. Maybe this is due to the presence of a fan in Kenveda, IMHO.

What does matzo have to do with it? I kind of wrote in Russian about a cake made from yeast-free dough. You don’t know what it is. For this "Baking Dough Baking Powder" is sold. So that is really not a Panasonic capable of this

PMich, I tried to bake a cake in a bread maker, for the sake of curiosity. But this does not make sense, you need to do all the cooking operations yourself, and then put the dough in hp, in the baking mode the cake will be baked. The oven will do it just as well.

PMich, I tried to bake a cake in a bread maker, for the sake of curiosity. But this does not make sense, you need to do all the cooking operations yourself, and then put the dough in hp, in the baking mode the cake will be baked. The oven will do it just as well.

And if everything is laid, mixed in the "dough - dumplings" mode, and set to bake. Shouldn't it work?

And if everything is laid, mixed in the "dough - dumplings" mode, and set to bake. Shouldn't it work?

According to the recipe, the cake is whipped, and the hp mixes But this is your cake, you can experiment
In the recipe book on 23 pages. everything is clearly described

Should work and works.But how? Try it, maybe you will like it, but a good muffin dough will not work. This is in my opinion. The bread maker is not suitable for kneading muffins. Everything is spelled out in the recipe book for the stove.

Should work and works. But how? Try it, maybe you will like it, but a good muffin dough will not work. This is in my opinion. The bread maker is not suitable for kneading muffins. Everything is spelled out in the recipe book for the stove.

I was at a dead end wanted to buy a Panasonic at the dacha. There is no oven to bake muffins, but I love to bake muffins (and eat them afterwards). I thought it would be like my Kenwood 450. Eh .. I'll probably buy Kenwood again. The truth is that it irritates the bucket, which has to be changed once a year (we bake every day)
Thanks everyone for the help!

I baked muffins. Delicious turned out. He lined the paper over the book, then stopped and simply greased the walls with oil. I did not try to mix everything in hp. But it was necessary. Beat there only eggs with sugar. I don’t know how necessary it is. You can just mix. I'll try. With baking powder, a lush cupcake turns out. And with raisins

I was at a standstill wanted to buy a Panasonic at the dacha. There is no oven to bake muffins, but I love to bake muffins (and eat them afterwards). I thought it would be like my Kenwood 450. Eh .. I'll probably buy Kenwood again. The truth is that it irritates the bucket, which has to be changed once a year (we bake every day)
Thanks everyone for the help!

If you bake cupcakes, then you know that you don't need to beat the dough hard for them, like on a biscuit ... And for beating you need at least a plastic spatula. Therefore, feel free to take Panasonic, the cupcakes in it turn out to be delicious .. I baked lemon. [Center ] [/ center]

What does matzo have to do with it? ...

I wrote like I was wrong
Here the cupcakes bake wonderfully https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=9318.0

Thank you all very much! So listen to the specialists in the store after that

after my LV broke down, after 8 years of operation, the question arose of what to buy, and at first I also thought that the cupcakes would be baked in HP .., but I bake the cupcakes in a slow cooker, and only bread in the oven .., although I tried it a couple of times in Panasonic .. delicious cupcakes of course ... take Panasonic, and then you will figure it out

dear owners of the miracle of the Panasonic 2500 stove, tell me: has anyone tried to bake according to recipes from other manufacturers (for example lg), and what came of it? there is a choice between this stove and lg 206 (it has more recipes in the book). thank you in advance.

No problems! We take any recipe for any x / oven from the site and bake in any x / oven. Baking bread does not depend on the model of x / oven, you can take any recipe

Getting to know the topic Bread did not work out again, I did everything strictly according to the recipe. What can be wrong? https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=146942.0

I use my Panasik only for its intended purpose - baking bread. However, I am a conservative.
And I just adore my Panasik. Luboff.

[PMich]

PMich, please answer, are you happy with your stove? It's just that Panasonic lovers mostly gathered here, and I was looking for Kenwood 450. I read somewhere on the forum that Panasik fries sweet pastries very much. ... My oven does not bake very well, but a cake made without problems in one dish (in the sense: without staining other dishes), I want to bake

Olga, isn't it better to buy a mini oven for cupcakes, pizzas and other pastries? This is such a cool thing! And the Panasonic bread machine perfectly bakes bread and kneads the dough, and it is better not to get carried away with sweet pastries and jam in the bread machine, because the bucket is expensive and it is better to save it.

Olga, isn't it better to buy a mini oven for cupcakes, pizzas and other pastries? This is such a cool thing!

Yeah, for example, Delonghi ЕОВ2071 https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=143917.0

Olga, isn't it better to buy a mini oven for cupcakes, pizzas and other pastries? This is such a cool thing! And the Panasonic bread maker perfectly bakes bread and kneads the dough, and it is better not to get carried away with sweet pastries and jam in a bread machine, because the bucket is expensive and it is better to keep it.

It could, of course, be better. But my kitchen is less than 6 meters. There is a microwave on it (well, I need it). There is a multicooker that is periodically moved back and forth (from the room to the kitchen. As well as other units)) But I also want bread. and cupcakes ... So you need to minimize the number of devices.

[PMich]

PMich, please answer, are you happy with your stove? It's just that Panasonic lovers mostly gathered here, and I was looking for Kenwood 450. I read somewhere on the forum that Panasik fries sweet pastries very much. ... My oven does not bake very well, but a cake made without problems in one dish (in the sense: without staining other dishes), I want to bake

I could not resist and bought yesterday Panasonic-2500
I have had a Kenwood 450 for 3 years already. The stove is just perfect, but I have a lot of complaints about the bucket. Since we bake bread every day, after 6-8 months it starts to give in, we have to "pervert" in order to prolong the life of the bucket, and then we buy a new one
I bake muffins on Kenwood regularly, but I prefer to knead initially with a mixer, and then in a bucket and bake. It turns out perfect! If you knead right away in a bread maker, then the result is noticeably worse, the cake turns out to be dense, although edible. Since we decided to buy a chebette for the dacha where we live all summer, I decided to drink something different. I chose for a long time. I really liked the bucket and the reviews about it in Panasonic (as you understood for me, this is a sore subject). What I really disliked was the standing and the lack of a fan. It is difficult for me to judge how much the fan needs for convection, but the previous stove did not have one and only baked classic white bread well. I tried to bake on it three times cupcakes, but something more like bricks was poured
In short, I took a chance and bought a Panasonic-2500 yesterday. Since I don't use a dispenser in Kenwood either. I was pleasantly surprised by the presence of a large Cookbook for baking bread in addition to recipes with instructions in the kit. For the first time I took a recipe for egg white from Panasonic recipes for 500g. I was amazed at how quiet the oven works (this is when it was already mixing the ingredients, and not in the standing mode). The bread turned out for the whole bucket, very beautiful. If we compare it with Kenwood, then, perhaps, for the aesthetics of Kenwood I will put 5, and Panasonic 5+, for the taste, both worked on a solid 5. The only thing is that Kenwood bakes such bread in 3 hours, and Panasonic in 4.
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Now (at this particular moment) I am baking a cake according to a recipe from Panasonic. I don’t know what will happen yet.

P.S. Another drawback (for me personally) of the Panasonic stove is that there is no switch like in Kenwood. For me (given the location of the outlet) this is not very convenient, I will think how to solve the problem.

[PMich]

PMich, please share your impressions on cupcake. Straight, I'm all in doubt, what to choose ...

Well, the cupcake is ready:
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Cupcake from Panasonic recipes. Bake for 1 hour, then added another 10 minutes (not baked for an hour).
Here it is in the context:
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It tastes great. I made a similar cupcake in Kenwood (I have no photos). Feels like the quality of the cupcakes is equal. Everywhere, all the ingredients were initially mixed with a mixer. It is too early to judge one by one cupcake, but we can definitely say that both bread makers make cupcakes at the same excellent level.
But in Kenwood there is a (optional) round bucket, of course this is pampering, but it's nice if you still pour the icing on top
In short, IMHO, if you are ready to wait an extra hour when making bread, buy Panasonic, as a bonus you will get a better quality bucket and almost silent work. Personally, it suits me for a summer residence, I leave Kenwood at home, because sometimes there is no way to find an extra hour for a starving family

[PMich]

PMich, about the round bucket:
don't take it as advice (it's just, I can't take on such responsibility), but read this topic a little bit
Non-standard forms in Panasonic

[PMich]

PMich, about the round bucket:
don't take it as advice (it's just, I can't take on such responsibility), but read this topic a little bit
Non-standard forms in Panasonic

Thank you!

Thanks to all! Probably, nevertheless, Mrs. Sonya

Maybe not quite the topic, but for those who still doubt the choice of a bread machine, another example is dumplings. Panasonic recipe dough.
Here they are in their raw form:
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And here are the finished ones:
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It turned out just over 130 dumplings from one portion of dough.The taste is amazing, the dough is high, perfectly mixed. Panasonic copes here too.

Good afternoon, members of the forum!
For several days now I have been in doubt, I just can not make a choice in favor of this or that model. Help me please. I choose between 2501WTS and 2502BXE. For the price, I can buy these models in online stores in Kiev at almost the same price. The model 2502BXE is tempted by the stainless steel case and the price, but it is confused by the fact that it is made for the European market (sort of like for Belgium) and there is a discrepancy between the programs and the model for the CIS, and therefore is not Russified. And second - what to do with such a model if it suddenly breaks down? Will they accept her in service? After reading a Temko with breakdowns, I came to the conclusion that they are buggy the same if they are defective. There is a glimmer of hope, but what if they are doing better for Europe ?! But my husband is skeptical about this, saying that the Chinese do not care where this device goes next.

We have not yet had HP, there is nothing to compare with. I bake the bread myself in the oven on sourdough, mostly rye hearth, but to be honest, it's pretty inconvenient to do it during the week. We need to make it easier for ourselves. And then it turns out that you can cook jam in HP and of course knead different dough.
I would be grateful if you would help me to decide quickly, since the whole family is waiting for the miracle of HP

[Alesya]

Alesya,
1. If the model is not Russified, that's okay. You just translate the names of the programs and hang yourself a memo on the refrigerator. The "European" has several programs that the "CIS" model lacks, but there is no dough kneading mode for dumplings.

2. If there are such big doubts about the warranty, call the official service centers, find out if the warranty applies to such and such a model. At one time, I was interested in this issue for a microwave oven - there was a difference in warranty service, because officially models with one letter designation were supplied to our market, and with others they were from "gray" supplies. Also specify which services are serviced by a particular store that offers a "European" for sale (they should have this information on their website), and also call to find out about the possibility of warranty repair. Just in case, here is the corporate service page
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[PMich]

PMich, I did not have stars with the main regime in Panas, for 4 years I have been baking on the Diet regime (quick baking) for 3 hours, instead of whole grain flour I have taken wheat flour.
It turns out this is the bread.

[Rina]

Rina

Thank you for your advice. I called an Internet store today, where I looked at the "European". They assured me that the warranty card for it comes from the Panasonic service center, they say, do not worry, everything is official. So tonight, my husband will go to pick her up. I gave him a control center about how to check a Panasonic bread maker before buying (fortunately, there is such a memo on the site for "dummies") Well, of course, she will check the guarantee on the spot with passion

Now I’m sitting all over the place

[fortunately here on the site there is such a memo for "dummies"]

fortunately here on the site there is such a memo for "dummies"

Can I get a link?

[fortunately here on the site there is such a memo for "dummies"]

fortunately here on the site there is such a memo for "dummies"

Can I get a link?

Can...

Features of Panasonic bread makers

Thank you!

For those in doubt, I will tell you about the results of the next rotozeism when baking bread in Panasonic-2500. Put the bread last night on the main program 01, size M, crust "medium". Dealing with urgent matters, I forgot about the kolobok. When I remembered, the "rise" program had already started. I didn't open the lid, I went to watch the movie "2012". The script is stupid to idiocy, but the special effects are super! There are 37 minutes left until the end of baking. The doors to the room and the kitchen were closed again. Essesno, I forgot about baking and remembered only after the end of the film. Baking finished in 1 hour 28 minutes. back. Since such blundering began to happen with frightening consistency (but, albeit not often), I was not very upset. He lifted the lid, pulled out a warm (sooo warm) bucket, turned it over on the board, shook it and the loaf flew out like a cork. The spatula remained in the bucket.The bread turned out, as always, delicious.
This is how it looks:
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Baking finished in 1 hour 28 minutes. back. Since such blundering began to happen with frightening consistency (but, albeit not often), I was not very upset. He lifted the lid, pulled out a warm (sooo warm) bucket, turned it over on the board, shook it and the loaf flew out like a cork. The spatula remained in the bucket. The bread turned out, as always, delicious.

"and I live like this" (c)

"and I live like this" (c)

I also have a 2500 model. I bake wheat bread or 1/4 rye flour. I baked Easter cakes for myself and friends. Everyone liked the Easter cakes, only one minus - the crust is not exposed when baking the Easter cake, and as a result it turns out to be too dark. And pulling out the cake 5 minutes before the end - it does not work, it is still damp inside ... The bread is very tasty, but I did not like the cake - too much butter, it turns out too fat for my taste. In the oven, muffins are more economical and tastier.

[Fairy]

FairyAfter resetting the program 5 minutes before the end, try not to remove the cake (sweet roll) from the bucket and bread machine for at least 20 minutes. The sides will not bake anymore, and the temperature will redistribute more evenly. And on what program do you bake Easter cakes? If on the main one, then use the size M and a light crust.

Thanks for the tip! Baked on the program "06" (Kulich), there is a calculation for the size L. And what, you can bake a cake on the main program?

older models do not have programs for sweet yeast dough. Therefore, they baked on "main-M-light".

You can also try legs on the "Easter cake" program, too, to drop the pastries in a few minutes, but let the bun sit in the bucket for half an hour. If possible, buy a temperature probe, then it will be easier to find out whether the dough was baked or not (somewhere there was even a topic, I will find it a little later and give a link)