Panasonic: I want to join the ranks, but I doubt it ...

thanks for the answer

Hello dear chefs. Considering the fact that I will soon become the proud owner of a bread machine, I would like to ask a few questions to knowledgeable people.
I want to buy a reliable bread maker. Initially, the choice fell on Panas 257 or 2501/02, but they do not have a program for baking ciabatta, like Moulinex 6002, but there are many negative reviews about Moulinex (it breaks down and does not bake)
Actually the questions:
Is it possible to bake a decent ciabatta in Panasonic?
Are Panasonic much more reliable than Moulinex?
If, after all, Panas, then which model is the best?

Thank you

[Zorba]

Zorba Ciabatta can only be baked in the oven, in HP only bread similar to ciabatta https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=14168.0

Hello dear chefs. Considering the fact that I will soon become the proud owner of a bread machine, I would like to ask a few questions to knowledgeable people.
I want to buy a reliable bread maker. Initially, the choice fell on Panas 257 or 2501/02, but they do not have a program for baking ciabatta, like Moulinex 6002, but there are many negative reviews about Moulinex (it breaks down and does not bake)
Actually the questions:
Is it possible to bake a decent ciabatta in Panasonic?
Are Panasonic much more reliable than Moulinex?
If, after all, Panas, then which model is the best?

Thank you

He will bake Panas and the likeness of Ciabatta, like Moulinex in general, he is bread and bread in Africa. This is the marketing ploy of Mulinex.
Panasonic's quality is all the same, the difference is in the cases, additional options and in the firmware (quantity) of built-in programs.
The cheapest will do the same easily as the most expensive one.
Panasonic 257 is out of production, if they give it away cheaply, then you should think, 2501 is about its analogue.

The Panasonic 257 is out of production, but you can still buy it. Selling cheap enough. I would take it so as not to overpay for a more recent model.

Can you imagine what a ciabatta is?

This is such flat bread https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=146758.0 with a certain method of kneading and baking



How can such bread be baked in a x / oven? If only take the dough as a basis, and get a regular-sized loaf of bread.

Can you imagine what a ciabatta is?

This is such flat bread https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=146758.0 with a certain method of kneading and baking



How can such bread be baked in a x / oven? If only take dough as a basis, and get a regular-sized loaf of bread.

But you can bake something like this in Moulinex: https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...ion=com_smf&topic=94536.0
so I'm wondering if it's really possible to do the same in Panasonic, which will determine my choice of stove

Neither in Moulinex nor in Panasonic can you bake anything like this. It will be just a loaf.

Focus on this, and dances with tambourines:

https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=94536.0

https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=51863.0

Here is a search for a ciabatta, choose the options yourself and decide whether you can or not

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I want to buy Panas-2501, but I haven't found it anywhere, can I knock butter down on it and bake yeast-free bread? if not, which panasonic model should you choose with this functionality?

I want to buy Panas-2501, but I haven't found it anywhere, can I knock butter down on it and bake yeast-free bread? if not, which panasonic model should you choose with this functionality?

you definitely won't knock butter, but yeast-free bread with some tricks - please.

you definitely won't knock butter, but yeast-free bread with some tricks - please.

in the sense of tricks? it makes gluten-free bread and you can bake sourdough bread without any gimmicks!

you definitely won't knock butter, but yeast-free bread with some tricks - please.

why? for example, in the description for LG HB-3001BYT
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"Oil preparation program
Butter is a rare source of vitamin.Two thinly spread sandwiches a day will provide the body with antioxidants. Unfortunately, practically none of the products offered by oil manufacturers meet the consumer's requirements for real oil. Anyone who has tried homemade oil at least once will confirm this. Moreover, the butter preparation program takes only 1 hour - and there is no need to whip or add anything - the bread maker will do everything on its own! "
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that's just a pity that the ski. But really Panasonic does not have such a thing at all?

no, Panasonic does not whip butter

why? for example, in the description for the LG HB-3001BYT
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"Oil preparation program
Butter is a rare source of vitamin. Two thinly spread sandwiches a day will provide the body with antioxidants. Unfortunately, practically none of the products offered by oil manufacturers meet the consumer's requirements for real oil. This will be confirmed by everyone who has ever tried homemade oil. Moreover, the butter preparation program takes only 1 hour - and there is no need to whip or add anything - the bread maker will do everything on its own! "
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that's just a pity that the ski. But really Panasonic does not have such a thing at all?

Is it written? On the fence, x .. is written, and behind it there is firewood.
How can a bread maker make butter, and even in 1 hour? These are purely marketing gizmos. And, most likely, a translation error - ghee - is possible, but the quality of this oil is highly controversial.
You can bake bread with homemade yeast, that is, sourdough, in principle, in any bread maker - take out the spatula in time, because the sourdough needs a longer rise.

in the sense of tricks? it makes gluten-free bread and you can bake sourdough bread without any gimmicks!

Gluten-free bread does not mean yeast-free. And yeast-free bread is not entirely yeast-free (just made not with artificial yeast, but grown at home). In the instructions to Panasonic: the rise on the "Gluten-free" program is 40-45 minutes, during this time the leaven is unlikely to raise the bread, a longer dough adjustment is really needed.

Removing the spatula is also a trick.

Gluten-free bread does not mean yeast-free. And yeast-free bread is not entirely yeast-free (just made not with artificial yeast, but grown at home). In the instructions to Panasonic: the rise on the "Gluten-free" program is 40-45 minutes, during this time the sourdough is unlikely to raise the bread, a longer adjustment of the dough is really needed.

Removing the spatula is also a trick.

[likbez,]

Do not hit with slippers, because I will say anyway: most of the additional programs of the bread maker are almost never used. In all honesty, how many times a year do you use "jams"?
Therefore, likbez, I would leave the thought of churning butter in a bread maker as unpromising, and took a good, reliable and proven oven manufacturer. If you do not have a cow, then you will need a butter churn once in your life, to play, and if you have a cow, then the bread maker will not save you.
And you will bake bread in a good oven several times a week for many years, and here its basic qualities are important. And the butter is probably easily knocked down by some other kitchen devices, you just need to dig in the internet, or even, maybe, here on the forum. I have not yet bypassed it all, but there are countless "treasures" here! In the sense of interesting recipes, tips and master classes for cooking everything in the world.
Yes, I googled here and found a manual churn "Neptune" for 3 liters of milk for 680 rubles. If you really want to play butter-making, it is quite suitable for the price of 20-25 minutes, as they promise, twist, and you will have fresh butter.
If you are in Moscow, it is for sale on Gorbushka (as written on their website).

I'm going to buy a Panasonic SD-2500. Before that, there was a moulinex for a 1.5 kg bun for 3.5 years. If not for its price, I would have bought Mula, because I know everything about her, the recipes have been adjusted and I know all the features. The old woman honestly worked her way, and even in this mode, she often baked different breads 2 times a day. But we decided to change the brand. Our family is 8 people, so we need a big loaf of bread.I understand that 250 grams of difference is not much. But the difference in volume may be greater. My bucket contains 3.6 liters of water. Can anyone measure the volume of a bucket from 2500 Panasonic? I would appreciate that. ANOTHER question, Muli has 2 dough mixers, Panasonic has 1. Do you have any problems with uniform mixing of the dough in the corners? And a question about the crust. Muli has 2 tena, such a volume baked well. A friend took with a smaller volume and with 1 ten. There were problems with the color of the crust on top. Tell me, how many shades does the 2500 model have? What is the crust color on the default crust color setting? Well, I would like to hear the opinions of the owners of this particular model. Oh yes, she has a signal during kneading that it's time to add flavorings (seeds, spices, etc.)? Does this oven have a 6 hour baking program? How long is the quick bake mode? Sorry that there are so many questions, there are just not so many large-volume bread makers worthy of attention.

I'm going to buy a Panasonic SD-2500. Before that, there was a moulinex for a 1.5 kg bun for 3.5 years. If not for its price, I would have bought Mula, because I know everything about her, the recipes have been adjusted and I know all the features. The old woman honestly worked her way, and even in this mode, she often baked different breads 2 times a day. But we decided to change the brand. Our family is 8 people, so we need a big loaf of bread. I understand that 250 grams of difference is not much. But the difference in volume may be greater. My bucket contains 3.6 liters of water. Can anyone measure the volume of a bucket from 2500 Panasonic? I would appreciate that. ANOTHER question, Muli has 2 dough mixers, Panasonic has 1. Do you have any problems with uniform mixing of the dough in the corners? And a question about the crust. Muli has 2 tena, such a volume baked well. A friend took with a smaller volume and with 1 ten. There were problems with the color of the crust on top. Tell me, how many tendes does the 2500 model have? What is the crust color on the default crust color setting? Well, I would like to hear the opinions of the owners of this particular model. Oh yes, she has a signal during kneading that it's time to add flavorings (seeds, spices, etc.)? Does this oven have a 6 hour baking program? How long is the quick bake mode? Sorry that there are so many questions, there are just not so many large-volume bread makers worthy of attention.

The bucket contains 3300 water, the dough, if laid in proportions, mixes well. Tenov 1. There is also a signal and the time shows how much is left before the bookmark. There is a 6-hour program. Quick baking - 2 hours

A fiery salute to bakers. Advise help out.
Tomorrow I'm ordering a bread maker, the choice seems to have fallen on the 2501 Panasonic. I live in the city of Zhukovsky, our bakery bakes delicious bread, which for almost ten years has consistently won the highest marks and awards at all exhibitions and competitions, plus my mother-in-law works on it and brings us the freshest delicious bread on the way home from work. So, as you understand, dear readers, we have no problems with bread.
I want preserves, jams, muffins, Easter cakes and, of course, pizza dough, pies and dumplings. Question to the studio: is Panasonic optimal for these purposes? or see other manufacturers? maybe a Kenwood BM450? Help out gentlemen, advise.

A fiery salute to bakers. Advise help out.
Tomorrow I'm ordering a bread maker, the choice seems to have fallen on the 2501 Panasonic. I live in the city of Zhukovsky, our bakery bakes delicious bread, which for almost ten years has consistently won the highest marks and awards at all exhibitions and competitions, plus my mother-in-law works on it and brings us the freshest delicious bread on the way home from work. So, as you understood, dear readers, we have no problems with bread.
I want preserves, jams, muffins, Easter cakes and, of course, pizza dough, pies and dumplings. Question to the studio: is Panasonic optimal for these purposes? or see other manufacturers? maybe a Kenwood BM450? Help out gentlemen, advise.

Hello Svarnoy3! Forgive me, why do you need a bread maker, the question is not that you really want delicious, homemade bread, you are all right with that, you can think of another device to knead the dough, make jam, but there is a small amount for this.You can bake a cake or cake in the oven ... Or if you really want it to be hp, then a cheaper brand? This is my opinion, maybe the girls will catch up and advise in a different way ..

A fiery salute to bakers. Advise help out.
Tomorrow I'm ordering a bread maker, the choice seems to have fallen on the 2501 Panasonic. I live in the city of Zhukovsky, our bakery bakes delicious bread, which for almost ten years has consistently won the highest marks and awards at all exhibitions and competitions, plus my mother-in-law works on it and brings us the freshest delicious bread on the way home from work. So, as you understood, dear readers, we have no problems with bread.
I want preserves, jams, muffins, Easter cakes and, of course, pizza dough, pies and dumplings. Question to the studio: is Panasonic optimal for these purposes? or see other manufacturers? maybe a Kenwood BM450? Help out gentlemen, advise.

The pies themselves are not baked in the bread maker. It is necessary to lay the ingredients, and even wait until the bread is baked, which is from 2 to 5 hours. But when you wait, it's so exciting. And then, when it is already baking, and the spirit of bread is walking around the apartment, this is something. Then when you take the bread out of the bucket, you have to wait another hour, you won't eat it right away. But when you eat this bread ... You know, my family began to eat 2 pieces of homemade bread instead of a loaf of bread (store) for dinner and everything was satiated (it’s homemade)! So decide if you should buy a bread maker at all? Maybe a multicooker is more suitable for you. There, in some models, you can bake bread and make yogurt, and whip butter, cook jam, and boil milk! Think! In general, a bread machine is a class!

[Alishar]

I totally agree with Alishar! Cook jams-preserves in a bread maker - not only is the volume too small, but also, the stirrer shaft always strives to stick from sugar, which becomes like epoxy from the heat. A couple of attempts and you go to repairs, which are not cheap, if not at all lead to the replacement of the bucket, which costs in the region of 1000-1500 rubles. Do you need it?
Bread maker, it is still for baking bread in the first place.
But a multicooker for your purposes will be the very thing you need. The volume of the pan is up to 5 liters, this is already a decent amount of jam you can cook, and it will turn out great. Charlottes, biscuits, muffins, rum babas and Easter cakes turn out to be incomparable. The bread is baked fluffy, only you have to knead it either with your hands or with a mixer. Now I'm going to bake rye with additives. well, and not to mention the fact that in a multicooker you will cook almost everything that you cook on the stove and in the oven. Still, devices need to be bought based on their main function. The bread maker is designed mainly for baking, and the device, in whose name "multi", is for many good things. Just choose the right one, which will have exactly the functions you need.

I'll put in my "five cents"
The bread maker is great for bread and small amounts of dough.
For a large family - so as not to knead the father-in-law with handles - either a dough mixer or a kitchen machine is optimal (there are a lot of attachments for it, including a sieve - allows you to make jam from raspberries, currants - seedless, from plums - without skins - taste - super - similar to honey )
For jam - - aerogrill - no need to stir, not digested
For muffins, -or a multicooker -will cook at the same time -or an oven

In general, homemade bread is also good because there are no unnecessary additives - it is very satisfying and tasty - plus - you can experiment with the composition of the bread as you like

But the oil in the multicooker -
How is this possible?
Drown and make ghee - yes, maybe
But making butter out of milk? Antiresno how is this possible?

If you do not have a cow, then you will need a butter churn once in your life, to play, and if you have a cow, then the bread maker will not save you.

Again, if there is no cow, you can knock down excellent oil in a three-liter can (play around) !! And you don't have to buy anything extra !! In the days of "coupons", when there was simply not enough store oil to buy, they bought country milk and cream from the cream for 20-25 "shaking" in a jar,while watching the next film, we got excellent homemade oil.

they bought country milk and from cream for 20-25 "shaking" in a jar, while watching another movie, they got excellent homemade butter.

I beg your pardon for the flood
Is it possible in the topic about butter to write and put photos of a master class on cooking butter in a jar?
They promised - but never. And I keep waiting and waiting
And all the KM I drive. and so would my husband have a jar in his pens and - that's about happiness - again, saving electricity
But bread is still easier to make in HP
Especially when there is no oven, and even in summer - when it's hot even without an oven!

Many thanks to all who answered.
I figured it out, I need to buy a multicooker for a Panasonic 2501.

Many thanks to all who answered.
I figured it out, I need to buy a multicooker for a Panasonic 2501.

You got it right!
Ideally Cuckoo 1054
And you will be happy.
Verified by personal experience!

Or maybe Binaton 2170? like all in one?

Cuckoo 1054 is not funny.

Or maybe Binaton 2170? like all in one?

NOOOOOO !!!!!!
Not on your nelly! I have how much better the analogue (made for the German market and brought from Germany), and even then, I am terribly unhappy with it - and the multicooker in it has terrible restrictions, and the bread maker is not so hot.

The bread in it is worse than in Panasonic. I was still unable to use the bread maker option when my Panas got sick (the disease was safely cured by my husband thanks to the help of our forum). And the multicooker option is very good for broth (in the soup mode), good for rice, but stewing and milk porridge are cut down too early, and then it is difficult to force them to start, they turn off even faster.

Rina you finally answered.
The question is resolved: Panasonic SR-TMH18 and if the premium is enough, then the Panasonic SD-2501WTS, I will give priority to the multicooker.
The forum and modern technologies are just superb. But he is alive thanks to you, good people. Thanks to all.
A new kind person on the forum. Denis.

Cuckoo 1054 is not funny.

Why??
If expensive, that is, with similar functionality, but much better in quality
Cuckoo 0821
Or 1010 from e-bay

Hello everyone!!! Thank you all for your advice !!
I bought a multicooker and a kneader separately, unfortunately it was not difficult with Panasonic (multi-cookers were discontinued, and kneaders are not produced at all).
So, I'm not in this thread, but I'm with you on the forum !!!

multicooker is discontinued,

where is the information from?

where is the information from?
And you try to buy Panas 18.
he's not around. everything.

I apologize for the previous answer.
That 18 Panasonic discontinued production is written on almost all sites selling Panasonic.

Hello everyone, I want to buy HP, I am studying the forum, in principle I decided that Panasonic is better, before that I wanted to buy Kenwood 450, but they say it works noisily, but I have a small child, I think 2500 or 2501, maybe rye bread can be baked at 2500, or is it necessary to have a special rye scoop?

Hello everyone, I want to buy HP, I am studying the forum, in principle I decided that Panasonic is better, before that I wanted to buy Kenwood 450, but they say it works noisily, but I have a small child, I think 2500 or 2501, maybe rye bread can be baked at 2500, or is it necessary to have a special rye scoop?

You can bake rye in 2500, pure rye is a little more difficult, and it is heavy for digestion, rye-wheat without problems https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&board=263.0

Good day! Please help with advice.
I am offered a Panasonik sd200 bread maker. It is about 10 years old, but almost never used. About 10 times all the time. I understand that the model of the bread machine is quite old. I didn’t even find any reviews about this one.
I would like to ask experienced Panasonic owners - is it worth taking such a miracle? For me, it is important to have a delicious bread, so that it kneads well with frequent use.
Thanks in advance
Ilona

Good day! Please help with advice.
I am offered a Panasonik sd200 bread maker. It is about 10 years old, but almost never used. About 10 times all the time. I understand that the model of the bread machine is quite old. I didn’t even find any reviews about this one.
I would like to ask experienced Panasonic owners - is it worth taking such a miracle? For me, it is important to have a delicious bread, so that it kneads well with frequent use.
Thanks in advance
Ilona

Follow this link - You are asking about this model.

🔗 Here is the instruction.

If they give it away for free and in good condition, then take it. Panasonic have a large margin of safety.

Good day! Please help with advice.
I am offered a Panasonik sd200 bread maker.

Offsite instruction 🔗

Thanks for the quick response. Yes, I saw this video. I will formulate the question more precisely. The Panasonic bread maker, which is 10 years old and has been used a few times, in technical terms, in your opinion, everything can be in order. Precisely for the reason that they rarely launched. Sorry for the confusion, I'm a kettle in this in general.
And the second thing. I'm not particularly interested in bells and whistles, some special cupcakes or chabattas. I want to take the stove for my mother-in-law to Russia. They make bread themselves and often, but by hand. They hardly buy.
This oven is much worse in technical terms of those Panasonic models that follow it, or only some new possibilities have been added, for example, that you can bake the same cupcakes or something like that, but the quality of baking bread remains the same. Or is the kneading and baking quality much better in the later models? Thank you.

They give it away for free, work and do you still think? Then, if something is missing, buy another. Why doesn't anyone give me that?

No, not free. For 50 Euro. That's why I think. It's in Germany.

It's almost 2 thousand. Say that for 25 you will take and no more. I think for 50 they will not sell to anyone.

Thank you. I'll think about it.