Giraffe
Quote: Elena Bo

It's almost 2 thousand. Say that for 25 you will take and no more. I think for 50 they will not sell to anyone.

From this it follows that we must take, just bargain: Dblii-and-i-in, I would transfer to ours and for this price I would gladly take it if I was a worker.
wau07079
You won't be able to bargain. We have such an online store here where people sell new or used ones. have a thing. The description can be trusted 100%. Set the starting price. Usually they start with one Euro. In this case, they immediately set the initial - 40 Euro + 7 Euro shipping. Means below 40 do not buy. And then people give who is more. I think that no one will give more than 40. The auction ends in a couple of days. Such is the situation. I think whether the old Panasonic sd-200 model is worth the money or will wait something newer. Maybe it won't. If we get lucky.
Elena Bo
Wait. Nobody will buy - they will put it up again and at a cheaper price, or they will not put it up ...
wau07079
Thanks everyone for the answers!
Boy777
Quote: wau07079
And then people give who is more. I think that no one will give more than 40. The auction ends in a couple of days. Such is the situation. I think whether the old Panasonic sd-200 model is worth the money or will wait something newer. Maybe it won't. If we get lucky.

I don’t know how old it’s my 250 model and in the USA this is the newest, it has been produced here for 10 years since 2002, although in Russia I already see 257 of them, maybe you have the newest in Germany? Before that, I read reviews on Panasonic and only positive ones, and it is for the model with side buttons and not for the one that comes with the front ones. And whether it is worth the money or not, only you can decide, you live there and are guided by prices, but the stove is excellent. For example, I bought mine a week ago for $ 125 a new one with free shipping. I chose it not for the price, but according to the reviews, for the price I could buy a small model for $ 170.
sazalexter
Boy777 The company has a certain segmentation of the market; as a rule, the models that come to Russia are the same as in Europe. Current model SD 2500, SD2501 and SD2502. Zozhirushi is very cool especially 20, we have one user on the forum https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=159825.0
Boy777
Quote: sazalexter

Boy777 The company has a certain segmentation of the market; as a rule, the models that come to Russia are the same as in Europe. Current model SD 2500, SD2501 and SD2502. Zozhirushi is very cool especially 20, we have one user on the forum https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=159825.0

sazalexter, I don’t know, I just don’t understand them, but there are only two Panasonic models this is SD-RD250, it looks like the same as 257 and SD-YD250 I don’t know which analogue because I don’t see similar ones. As for the regions, it's yes, because in Japan there is some kind of unreal Panasonic GOPAN. 🔗 I understand that something similar to this 🔗

Zorushi, I looked closely at a small one, which is 10, since apart from the simplest bread, I am not interested in anything else, either dough or jam, but I did not like the plastic case and I think the price is too high 165, at least in terms of price-quality ratio in any case better Panasonic) And I didn't even look at the big ones, but the one that according to your link here costs a little more than 200 dollars, but the next model is already worth 300, which is a virtuoso Zorushi, I understand that this is already for advanced bakers and for beginners it is too complicated.
Ikra
I would like to point out that very quickly a beginner baker becomes advanced Bread-making is more addictive than any "bad habits". So think carefully before choosing this or that model. If you stick to the principles of a healthy diet, it would be nice to have a regime for whole grain bread in cotton. Jem, as my practice shows, is a little-demanded function.
Giraffe
Quote: Ikra

Jem, as my practice shows, is a little-demanded function.

I forgot, I was in the fourth or fifth year with my bread, I never cooked jam in KHP.
Ikra
After the shaft in the mixer was jammed with burnt sugar, like epoxy, I gave up this idea altogether, and now I throw the sugar very carefully. If I send it overnight with a timer, I generally try to dissolve it in liquid. This is a weak point for many x / n, and do not tempt fate.
Stafa
And the other day I made jam in KP from frozen strawberries - what can I say, in winter and freshly boiled jam. And strawberry panet, if not strange. So I used this function and will use it - but it’s on the hunt when I want jam.
Taia
I've been using Panasonic for about two months now, I'm very happy with it. Before that, I had an Orion bread machine ... I was lucky that my Orion could not stand it and I handed it over under warranty. I hesitated what to buy another - I decided on Panasonic and now I am very glad of that. All this talk and reasoning: why overpay for a brand, and you can bake well on inexpensive bread makers, and the rest of the conversations on this topic are EMPTY.
When I bought my first bakery, I read such advice, and now I regret that I did not buy Panas right away. Everything turns out much better! much!
Elena Bo
For rye, a special regime is not required. You can bake on the main one.
Rina
Quote: mist

Please advise, which of the modern models bake rye bread? In particular, is there such a regime in 2501? I can't find detailed information anywhere, not even on the manufacturer's website.
Yes, the 2501 has a special rye mode. Kneading, one rise and baking.
Most mixed breads (a mixture of wheat and rye flour) can also be baked on the main program.
Vanya28
Quote: mist

Please advise, which of the modern models bake Rye Bread? In particular, is there such a regime in 2501? I can't find detailed information anywhere, not even on the manufacturer's website.

Right here list of 70 models and an explanation of how to bake Rye bread, and in Panasonic SD-2501 in particular -
Rye custard bread is real (almost forgotten taste). Baking methods and additives.
DeLora
I would have joined the ranks of Panasonic owners long ago, but I'm only going to bake bread weighing no more than 500g. Firstly, so that it does not stale, and secondly, for a variety of baked goods. Since HP is high, I plan that it will stand on the floor. I'm wondering if small size bread is good at Panasonic? What would you advise to stop at Panasonic 2501 for small baked goods or look at other smaller models? In mind there is also HP Mystery MBM-1202.
Vilapo
Quote: DeLora

I would have joined the ranks of Panasonic owners long ago, but I'm only going to bake bread weighing no more than 500g. Firstly, so that it does not stale, and secondly, for a variety of baked goods. Since HP is high, I plan that it will stand on the floor. I'm wondering if small size bread is good at Panasonic? What would you advise to stop at Panasonic 2501 for small baked goods or look at other smaller models? In mind there is also HP Mystery MBM-1202.
I have Panasik, I mostly bake 400g bread. flour, they do not like me not fresh bread. Everything is working out great. It seems to me that Panasonic is one of those models in which everything works out ... I also have Gorenie, I use it in the country, and I use recipes from Panasonic.
Melanyushka
DeLora, I've also been looking closely for a long time which HP to take, we eat a little pure bread, in the end I took Panasonic and did not regret it at all. I also bake a small loaf with a maximum of 400 grams, but sweet kulili also turn out great, and the dough is a fairy tale, how it is kneaded is so laborious to do with your hands. Take it and do not hesitate, Panasonic is a very good stove and will correct our small mistakes itself - in my opinion, bread is very difficult to spoil with it.
Waist70
Quote: DeLora

I would have joined the ranks of Panasonic owners long ago, but I'm only going to bake bread weighing no more than 500g. Firstly, so that it does not stale, and secondly, for a variety of baked goods. Since HP is high, I plan that it will stand on the floor.I'm wondering if small size bread is good at Panasonic? What would you advise to stop at Panasonic 2501 for small baked goods or look at other smaller models? In mind there is also HP Mystery MBM-1202.
Panasonic: I want to join the ranks, but I doubt it ...This is how I have a stove. A cabinet weighs on top, the lid opens and there is still room left.
DeLora
Thank you all for helping me to resolve my doubts and now I am in your ranks, accept I have a Panasonic.
Giraffe
You will not regret it! Delicious breads and aromatic pastries!
Vilapo
Quote: DeLora

Thank you all for helping me to resolve my doubts and now I am in your ranks, accept I have a Panasonic.
Congratulations on your successful purchase, may it only make you happy !!
Melanyushka
DeLora congratulations! Good bought!
Sweta33
Please advise a doubting beginner, I read Temko about Panasonic 2500, in this Temko many people write about Pizza mode, is there this mode in this model? And in the characteristics of the HP, the function "French loaves" is written - is there a special attachment - a baking sheet? Or is it only in Mulinex?
Giraffe
Eat pizza in dough mode. There is a French bread regime, but no countering is attached to it, it is baked in the same way in a bucket as all the bread. Only if you want to do it yourself in the oven.
Sweta33
Thank you very much Giraffe
Irina88
Good evening everyone!
I want to buy a bread maker and get lost on which Panasonic model to choose! Please share your experience with whom and which one is better?

Creamy
Anyone else, but for me better than Ponasonik 2500 does not exist.
Irina88
Quote: Creamy

Anyone else, but for me better than Ponasonik 2500 does not exist.
it seems there is no rye bread baking ??? Is this program really needed at all ???
Irina88
Is it necessary to use scales, isn't a measuring cup enough ???
Creamy
Scales are very obligatory - they measure and weigh bulk ingredients, and a measuring cup for measuring liquids. A baker without scales is the same as a traffic cop without his striped staff.
Vanya28
Quote: Irina88

:) Good evening everyone !!!! I want to buy a bread maker and get lost on which model Panasonic stay!!!!! Please share your experience with whom and which one is better !!!

Take any (this is not a joke), the result will be good.
The better the fur (more comfortable), the more expensive it is!
But everyone will be warm!
Vilapo
Quote: Irina88

:) Good evening everyone !!!! I want to buy a bread maker and get lost on which Panasonic model to stay on !!!!! Please share your experience with whom and which one is better !!!
Irina88, on which Panasonic model to choose is still up to you. Everyone who has this brand will praise them (each his own), the stove is good, reliable ...
AlenaDS
And I like my 2502 Panasonic. As for my first HP, I make the dough in it, and bake different bread, and wipe the stainless steel with a rag and that's it. And two dispensers are very convenient, in time the yeast will fall asleep by itself (dispenser for yeast), and all additives, (dispenser for raisins and fruits). You can add cheese and ham, etc. Three choices of crust, three sizes of bread. And fruits in syrup can be made and jam can be cooked. And there is a timer. I'm very happy, I don't even know how I used to live without her?
Ikra
Quote: Irina88

it seems there is no rye bread baking ??? Is this program really needed at all ???
It would be nice if this program was. Although over time you will adapt to baking rye bread and on some other program.
One wheat oven will soon get bored Very soon all bakers are drawn to diversify their baked goods.
Although after some time, for many, the bread maker becomes only an aggregate for kneading dough, and is baked in the oven. Or in a multi-cooker, like me, for example. But it is imperative to buy a bread maker if you like to cook in general. Because she bakes bread and kneads the dough for pies, noodles, dumplings, pizza. He even cooks jam. It saves a lot of time, diversifies your menu and brings you to this forum, where it's so great to communicate, learn new recipes, and share your own.
As already said here, take the one to which your heart (and wallet) is more disposed, and you will find a lot of ways to bake anything in it.
MariS
If I first went here before buying HP - to our website, then after analyzing all the reviews, I would have bought no more than 5 thousand rubles. As it turns out, all the functions are practically the same, and the price ... of my Bork ... is expensive and there was no point in overpaying. Moreover, further we start to bake in the oven! And the HP remains for kneading and for the case when there is no time, ... well, and also as a memory of how we started:: cray: suffered, looked for recipes, and then studied, shared opinions, experiences - communicated in one word! !!
Ikra
My x / n cost me in general 1400 rubles. (there were discounts, and even a coupon was presented in M-Video) I am satisfied with her, like an elephant of 12 modes, bakes beautifully, there was very little marriage even at first. And when I realized that it is so great to knead and stand the dough in it, I do without her, as if without hands. Now I don’t even bother with the exact weighing of products, I pour everything on my eye, according to the sensations of a bun, and bake in the oven or in a cartoon. It is also important for me that the bucket is easy to clean after kneading the dough and standing, and there are no other dishes and devices for kneading and standing the dough. I don't like washing dishes. Only 2 measuring cups and 1 bucket get dirty.
bambler
I opted for Panasonic. This will be my second stove (now benten). And now I want to ask? the most popular model is 2502, but maybe as an "advanced" user it would be better for me to take another model? I only bake white bread, now I really want to start making baguettes, and I also mix the dough (both on dumplings and on Easter cakes, etc.); jam somehow didn’t go with us, although maybe I just don’t know how. Tell me what? Take 2502 and not show off, or are there other options for me?
sazalexter
Quote: bambler

Take 2502 and not show off, or are there other options for me?
Take 2501, optimal for price / equipment
Lagri
Quote: bambler

I opted for Panasonic. This will be my second stove (now benaten). And now I want to ask? most popular gun 2502
So take it without hesitation. I also have 2502 - the second (first Mulinex). I chose her from Panasonic. For me, this x / stove is still the best. It has everything I need. You will like it sooo much.
Basja
Quote: bambler

I opted for Panasonic. This will be my second stove (now benten). And now I want to ask? the most popular model is 2502, but maybe as an "advanced" user it would be better for me to take another model? I only bake white bread, now I really want to start making baguettes, and I also mix the dough (both on dumplings and on Easter cakes, etc.); jam somehow didn’t go with us, although maybe I just don’t know how. Tell me what? Take 2502 and not show off, or are there other options for me?
If you do not bake rye, then he says correctlysazalexter you need to take 2501, why overpay for functions that you will never use, although I bought myself 2500 and I'm very happy ...
Giraffe
If you don't need rye, then you can get 2500.
Lagri
Quote: giraffe

If you don't need rye, then you can get 2500.
And 2500 without a dispenser for raisins and other ingredients at all.
Quote: Basja

If you do not bake rye, then he says correctlysazalexter we must take 2501
And the 2501 has the Rye mode.
bambler
Thank you girls) I will not show off. I will choose with a dispenser, raisins are held in high esteem)
Giraffe
Quote: Lagri

And 2500 without a dispenser for raisins and other ingredients at all. And the 2501 has the Rye mode.

Well, firstly, rye is not relevant for a person, and secondly, additives can stick together in the dispenser and it can open ahead of time. It is necessary to outline all the pros and cons.
Basja
Quote: giraffe

Well, firstly, rye is not relevant for a person, and secondly, additives can stick together in the dispenser and it can open ahead of time. It is necessary to outline all the pros and cons.
+100
Creamy
I add my one hundred thousand plus points!
bambler
Quote: giraffe

Well, firstly, rye is not relevant for a person, and secondly, additives can stick together in the dispenser and it can open ahead of time. It is necessary to outline all the pros and cons.
Even so?))) I now have to add it manually after the signal, it doesn't bother me. But the opening ahead of time and even more so a clump of raisins stuck together will obviously not please me. Thanks for warning:)
bambler
Quote: giraffe

Well, firstly, rye is not relevant for a person, and secondly, additives can stick together in the dispenser and it can open ahead of time. It is necessary to outline all the pros and cons.
Does everyone like to make rye? Our lifestyle is not very correct, so we love baguettes and loaves with white bread. Maybe they are wrong?
Ikra
The whole question is why rye is not relevant. If, for some nutritional reasons, this is one thing, but if a person simply does not know how tasty one can bake according to local recipes, this is another. I would not cut off this function, for the sake of considerations - for the future.
Although. as I wrote above, you can adapt to baking and rye in almost any bread maker, it will just be a little "dancing". But they, as practice shows, do not scare anyone, because the result
I can't say anything about the dispenser and its need - I don't have it, but I bake with all imaginable additives perfectly without it.

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