marlanca
Masinen,

1. Convenient in that you can switch speeds in the course of the knife. In Orson it is impossible, because there is a display, those are electronic control, but in TM it is mechanical.
Mashun in Orson, too, you can change the speed while working ...
igorechek
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igorechek,
I disagree with you.
On my own and others' experience, I was convinced that NEVER one device can perform different functions well. It is necessary to purchase different devices. I have a very small kitchen, nevertheless I manage to cram everything. Here a man's interest and a hand are already needed.
This applies to any devices. There are no universal ones. Another thing is when a manufacturer produces a device that is unusual for everyone. This is a long topic, but I am convinced that you should never buy a device that promises to do EVERYTHING. This is somewhat similar to the promises of a newlywed - I will wear it in my arms ... And then everyday life begins and there is no one to score a carnation ...
Kara
Why are you so categorical? Igor, have you ever had a Thermomix? Well, or a similar unit? It seems to me that people will listen more to the opinion of someone who does not argue theoretically about the possibility / impossibility, but has tested the subject of discussion in practice.
I don't have TM, but I have Kesha, though without the function of the stove. Does EVERYTHING! And he does EVERYTHING perfectly! A friend has just a complete modification, she also does not rejoice at her assistant. Of course, he does not go to her store and does not wash the kitchen floor. But he performs all the functions declared by the manufacturer perfectly!
igorechek
Irina, take my word for it. I understand. that women listen with distrust to the opinions of men. The fact is that I am interested in any technique. I buy the whole kitchen for my wife myself, she trusts me, that's why I am not speaking unfounded. and because he "felt" both the shop and equipment of his friends and his own. This is purely my point of view, I do not pretend to be someone else's, I just warn you. I know many friends who wanted to buy UNIVERSAL equipment, and then were disappointed.
True, there is one point. Friends admitted that, having encouraged her husband to buy expensive equipment, then they were afraid to admit to him that they bought the wrong thing ...
Omela
Quote: Kara
It seems to me that people will listen more to the opinion of someone who does not argue theoretically about the possibility / impossibility, but has tested the subject of discussion in practice.
Absolutely right. It is not correct to talk about the capabilities of the device. having no experience of using it.

Quote: igorechek
and then they were disappointed.
I know only one person in all the time. who was really disappointed with the purchase of the TM. BUT this was due to a factory defect in the place where the knives were attached.
Quote: igorechek
There are no universal ones.
Do manufacturers claim universality ??? No. TM replaces a lot of devices, yes! But not all of course. To my mind. everyone understands it.
pulkeria
igorechek, are you by any chance from Magnitogorsk? I can honestly say that when I persuaded my husband to buy me TM, then I was afraid to say that somehow he was not very good for me ... But time passed and now I cannot imagine my kitchen without TM. He does not do EVERYTHING, but I will never put the dough, not only by hand, but even in HP - TM will blow it off better. And it would never occur to you to cook soup in a saucepan or MV and then puree it with a blender - only in TM. No steamer can compare with TM. Alas, I no longer cook broths there, because the family has become large and the volume of TM is simply not enough. And what kind of porridge there !!!! I really like the minced meat - it turns out there it is chopped. At first, I also spat and thought that I would not part with the meat grinder. And then I called the girl who presented it to me and she told how to cook it correctly - now the minced meat is only thermomixed.
igorechek
No. no, I am not discouraging from buying this device.Just buying an expensive device, you must fully understand what it REALLY can do, and what another device will do better. One of my first kitchen "family" purchases was a kitchen. combine Philips with the declared 30 with something functions. It was not bad, but why did the manufacturer declare so many features? He was really good at no more than 5-6. I was tuned in for more ...
So here too, I believe that the buyer should understand that this and that is done EXCELLENT, but for the rest it is better to buy a separate device. Comparability of price and destination.
As a man, I can say that, for example, some people receive a screw-wind as a gift and are happy. But in fact, you need a screwdriver and a hammer drill and a drill ... (the functions are the same - to twist) ... Although many men are happy to buy a wife to a squeak ...
Therefore, I say that it is better to have a few NARROW-DIRECTED devices.
Kara
Quote: igorechek

and because he "felt" both the shop and equipment of his friends and his own. This is purely my point of view, I do not pretend to be someone else's, I just warn you. I know many friends who wanted to buy UNIVERSAL equipment, and then were disappointed.

It's like talking about the driving performance of an expensive car, sitting in the front seat of this car in a car dealership. They killed me straight!

Quote: igorechek

True, there is one point. Friends admitted that, having encouraged her husband to buy expensive equipment, then they were afraid to admit to him that they bought the wrong thing ...

Poor wives This is how to intimidate your own woman ...
igorechek
Quote: pulkeria

igorechek, are you by any chance from Magnitogorsk? I can honestly say that when I persuaded my husband to buy me TM, then I was afraid to say that somehow he was not very good for me ... But time passed and now I cannot imagine my kitchen without TM. He does not do EVERYTHING, but I will never put the dough, not only by hand, but even in HP - TM will blow it off better. And it would never occur to you to cook soup in a saucepan or MV and then puree it with a blender - only in TM. No steamer can compare with TM. Alas, I no longer cook broths there, because the family has become large and the volume of TM is simply not enough. And what kind of porridge there !!!! I really like the minced meat - it turns out there it is chopped. At first, I also spat and thought that I would not part with the meat grinder. And then I called the girl who presented it to me and she told how to cook it correctly - now the minced meat is only thermomixed.
No, I'm from the Murmansk region. Well, I don’t understand - why not make the soup with a hand blender? The dough is perfectly kneaded and strained in a bread machine. There is a lot more space in the steamer to make manti or dumplings. Porridge is great in a slow cooker. The broth is obtained more transparent precisely when cooking under pressure in a pressure cooker. Minced meat should be either chopped with a knife or in a meat grinder, but not with thermomix-kitchen knives. harvester ....
There is one more essential point here. If a separate device breaks down, one function breaks down. And if something breaks down in the thermomix, the ENTIRE device becomes unusable.
Albina
If the price was 2 times cheaper, I would have bought it long ago. In general, I really like TM. Any reasoning about, I think, this is most likely for my own justification: why I do not buy. When there are flaws, it seems easier to think that I don't need him
Sivana
Not a single slow cooker will cook such an airy semolina porridge in 9 minutes as Thermomix))) I didn’t regret buying it for a single day. I use it every day, as a last resort, I use scales, despite the fact that the bread maker is also equipped with scales, I trust TM more. And, surprisingly, I am discovering all the new options, although I have had TM for 6 years. To the author of the question, Elena, I can tell if the price is not important, Thermomix is ​​a worthy thing))
pulkeria
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No, I'm from the Murmansk region. Well, I don’t understand - why not make the soup with a hand blender? The dough is perfectly kneaded and strained in a bread machine. There is a lot more space in the steamer to make manti or dumplings. Porridge is great in a slow cooker. The broth is obtained more transparent precisely when cooking under pressure in a pressure cooker.Minced meat should be either chopped with a knife or in a meat grinder, but not with thermomix-kitchen knives. harvester ....
There is one more essential point here. If a separate device breaks down, one function breaks down. And if something breaks down in the thermomix, the ENTIRE device becomes unusable.
Because it is more convenient to make puree soup with one device. In HP, the dough is kneaded and allowed to stand for 2 hours, in TM I need a maximum of 40 minutes. I have 2 multicooker-pressure cookers, but the same rice porridge does not stand next to thermomix and it cooks there faster than in MV. In general, some kind of empty dispute, don't you think so? We say that we cook in it every day and there is something to compare with. We do not persuade anyone to go into debt and to buy. And you convince us that the sky is not blue, the grass is not green and TM is just a waste of money ...
Kara
Girls, what are you really))) Igorechek is the most important specialist in all matters, and his wife does not dare to breathe without a special order
Omela
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Just buying an expensive device, you must fully understand that it REALLY can,
In my opinion, before buying any unit, the user studies its capabilities and technical characteristics. TM is not a device that is bought according to the principle - went into a store, saw, bought. People have been studying information, videos, reviews for more than one day. go to the presentation (if possible) before buying. And therefore, there can be no disappointments about the declared functions.
Sails
Thanks everyone for the answer. That's it, I decided to make myself a gift for Jam Day - TM (for now I'll try to order a presentation for myself, it's kind of free, or I'll go to it)
Omela
Quote: Sails
or I'll go on it)
Elena, the right decision!
Kara
Sorry for the offtopic, Elena, what a wonderful still life on the avatar! Your? Share!
Ctrekoza
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igorechek, are you by any chance from Magnitogorsk?
And I'm wondering where Magnitogorsk is?)
Albina
I looked at the price on the offsite already under 60t. R.
Omela
UzhOs !!!! Would you like to see MayKook ?? They say that it even surpasses TM in parameters (induction heating).
Albina
I do not plan to buy TM yet. I just dropped by. Previously, when I watched it was in the region of 40 tons.
Sails
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Sorry for the offtopic, Elena, what a wonderful still life on the avatar! Your? Share!
... No, not mine. This is a photo from Odnoklassniki, and surprisingly, these blanks are made by a man.
Masinen
Sails, Len, take a look at Avito. You can buy TM much cheaper
I bought mine there, new one)
Sails
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Sails, Len, take a look at Avito. You can buy TM much cheaper
I bought mine there, new one)
... thanks for the hint, I wouldn't have guessed. Did you buy from Vasily? It is a pity that there will be no guarantee. I'll think
mur_myau
Igorechek today still managed to speak about the aerofray.)) Not having it available.
And here I am, too, is torn, whether to take Jamie Oliver, or a thermomix. Because some of the functions of the thermomix in my kitchen will be taken over by a soy cow.
Rada-dms
pulkeria, in Could you share the peculiarities of minced meat preparation in TM?
Masinen
Quote: Sails

... thanks for the hint, I wouldn't have guessed. Did you buy from Vasily? It is a pity that there will be no guarantee. I'll think
No, not with him.
And just a woman. And we immediately agreed with the price, maybe she had to sell at a faster rate))
Yulia__
About the preparation of minced meat. I bought the Thermomix in December 2013, but I didn't make friends with the preparation of minced meat except chicken. ... She took the meat and slightly frozen and in even pieces. the knife reels the meat, it turns into porridge. In short, now I pray only in a meat grinder, more convenient and faster.
pulkeria
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And I'm wondering where Magnitogorsk is?)
nooo, nothing to do with it * JOKINGLY * It's just that my friends live there, my husband's name is Igor. And he buys all the appliances in the kitchen. When he last came to Moscow, I had a thermomix and watched the multicooker. So I thought if this was our Igorechek
pulkeria
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pulkeria, Q. Could you share the peculiarities of minced meat preparation in TM?

Something I stopped receiving notifications of responses. I cut the meat into small pieces and freeze it a little. And then in small portions at 8 speed I ruble for about 10 seconds. (I will definitely not say I have not done it for a long time). I am guided not so much by time as by sound And it just turns out finely chopped like on manti
Pchela maja
Girls, but no one knew - when will the new Thermomix TM5 appear in Russia?
I saw it on YouTube and fired up to buy, so beautiful!
And now you can cook at 120 degrees, the bowl is again larger.

🔗
pulkeria
My husband offered to give it to me for my birthday, but I refused. Now, if I had a choice between the new TM and the induction Kenwood (which I don’t have yet), I would probably lean towards Kenwood ..... But the new thermomix is ​​beautiful of course
selenа
Yulia, the question is because you have TM 31, but from the good, as they say, they are not looking for good, only diversity. Of course, a new handsome! Where can you see that he has a larger bowl?
pulkeria
Hope, and that's true, but TM is really not enough for me now ... I gladly got rid of most of my assistants and would put Innokentii ... But these are only dreams, and for myself I decided that until I had my own kitchen, I won't even stutter about him. Although my husband is aware of my Wishlist))))
selenа
Yulia, of course, the children and the husband must be fed with proper, tasty food in sufficient quantities. And this requires modern assistants. But I don't know about Inocentia, I just went and looked at the "Kenwoods" with one eye, didn't understand anything and returned to the HP. Yul, stick your nose in what you would like
Elena Tim
selenа, gyyy, Kenwood, he is Kesha, he is Innokenty!
selenа
Elena,
Pchela maja
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Elena,
I think this is about Kenwood KM 80/84/86
Pchela maja
Quote: pulkeria

My husband offered to give it to me for my birthday, but I refused. Now, if I had a choice between the new TM and the induction Kenwood (which I don’t have yet), I would probably lean towards Kenwood ..... But the new thermomix is ​​beautiful of course
Where did he plan to buy it - bring it from Europe?
I look everywhere, but on ebay and amazon-e there are no new thermal mixes, so I can order remotely.
selenа
Pchela maja, thanks for the hint, I somehow didn't look in this direction, according to what I decided for myself, if I had a need for such a machine, I would buy Ankarsrum Original.
Pchela maja
Quote: selenа
Ankarsrum Original
How does it stand out among kitchen processors? why him?
As far as I understand, it is not officially sold in Russia?
pulkeria
Pchela maja, on e-bay is. In September, they even offered to deliver it to Russia for free. Only the price has now become higher and the delivery has to be paid for ... Maybe I shouldn't have refused?
selenа
Pchela maja, I read a lot about it from people who are authoritative for me, but I can't do some kind of comparative analysis (those users about whom I'm talking about it), I just believe that it would be the best for me.
pulkeria
selenа, I understand it is similar to Kenwood?
pulkeria
I'm still haunted by a machine similar to TM. I can't find it, I only remember that it is controlled by a removable panel
selenа
Yulia, yes, and he has a bunch of nozzles, if necessary, only there is no "dubious" function of heating the bowl. And now there are a lot of analogs of TM, with induction there are, but I'm used to it, I'm generally a fan of "forverk".
marianna55555
pulkeria, I think you mean this: 🔗. *** me / ru / supercookstart /. The panel is removable. I am tormented to take it or not (I am preparing my husband). My son-in-law gave my daughter a gift to D.R., I'm happy. I'm still thinking .... A 2 GB memory card is inserted into the display. The recipes are loaded and you can cook in automatic mode, if you want to set the time, speed and temperature yourself. The recipe database is constantly updated. Price $ 1100. Made in Germany.
pulkeria
marianna55555, yes it is he !!!! It seems to me a very interesting model and a worthy competitor to the fifth TM
Pchela maja
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Pchela maja, on e-bay is. In September, they even offered to deliver it to Russia for free. Only the price has now become higher and the delivery has to be paid for ... Maybe I shouldn't have refused?
but I was looking, I didn't find

It's time for us to organize the purchase, maybe they will give a discount for the wholesale?)))
marianna55555
Girls, they definitely exist in Ukraine, I can clarify on account of their presence in Russia.

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