renard
Quote: Midnight lady
But a sink in the corner in a corner cabinet seems to me a horror in any kitchen.
There are many layouts in which a linear kitchen is impractical.
Try to make a linear kitchen for such an apartment:
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The problems are the same as those of Blackout's parents, plus their own.
Do not offer a small sink in the very corner. Do not offer a refrigerator at the entrance or in a warm corner.
The oven is only 60. In the working area at least one working surface is not less than 50 cm. 2 tables with drawers in the working area are not less than 40 cm wide. PMM 45. It is advisable not next to the oven and not at an angle to the sink.
Do not put cooking in the corner and close to the sink or refrigerator, do not hang it on the corner of the kitchen.
Dining table for 2 people with the possibility of seating 1-2 more guests.
Midnight lady
renard, I do not argue, each case is individual, but I am writing about myself, it is very uncomfortable for me. If the sink is not stuck anywhere at all, as soon as in a corner, of course, I will choose a sink than without it))

Where is the kitchen? Number 1? Is there an exit to the loggia?
renard
The kitchen there is number 3. A rectangular room stretched out along the window. The wall between the kitchen and the room is load-bearing, you cannot move the wall between the room and the kitchen, and you cannot pick openings either.




Quote: Midnight lady
If the sink is not stuck anywhere at all, as soon as in a corner, of course, I will choose a sink than without it))
I, probably, poorly formulated the problem. A freestanding refrigerator 60 cm, a sink, of course, is needed, but a small sink tucked into a corner, for example, a sink in a 50 cm underframe installed in a corner, is not to be offered. For us, pazhalsta, at least 30-40 cm between the sink bowl and the wall or any other high obstacle on the side (for example, a refrigerator).
Bijou
Quote: renard
Try to make a linear kitchen for such an apartment:
Really, the enemy of humanity was some kind of projection!
Midnight lady
renard, I have such a kitchen layout, there is an exit to the loggia to the left of the window. There is furniture on the right wall, the sink is right next to the wall, and the sink wing is on the left, it's more convenient for us, they wanted to change it, but I didn't give it. Well, and a washing machine and a refrigerator on the wall to the right of the door.




But the door is from the very edge, no 55 cm, due to this, of course, it is more convenient.




And in this case, in order to place the washer, you only need to load it vertically, it is 40 cm versus 60.




Quote: renard
Do not offer
Do they even pay you to make such demands? If they already have everything arranged this way, then let them not change anything, they are geniuses)))
renard
Quote: Midnight lady
Do they even pay you to make such demands?
Actually, these are my requirements. )))) And my odnushka.
You don't have to worry, there is no answer to this puzzle with a decent linear kitchen. In a line with a room width of 213, even if you discard the refrigerator, you get shit. And if you turn it into a corner, then furniture and equipment will fit more and more conveniently into the corner of 213x190. In general, all of the above (note, I did not set the task of shoving the washer into the kitchen, you confused my riddle with the Blackouts), and it will not fit into such a corner normally. We'll have to throw something out either in a warm corner or in a corner by the door.
In such an elongated room along the window, a linear kitchen is made for himself by rare, as it were, softer ... originals or those who make an apartment for rent, and he does not give a shit about the ease of use of the set supplied. Linear kitchen with a length of about 2.1 meters, photo from the site for the delivery of real estate:


But mostly people with this size put the kitchen at a corner.
The same width, but the kitchen is in a corner, the refrigerator is exiled to stand separately in a warm corner:
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The same width is 2.1 m, the refrigerator is to the left of the sink: and all sorts of boxes, apparently, to the left of the door, along the 55 cm wall, if the apartment owners throw the refrigerator to another corner, they will be able to put PMM 60 and get a work surface about a meter long :
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Quote: Bijou
Really, the enemy of mankind has designed it!
This is chocolate candy compared to crunchy.





Quote: Midnight lady
But the door is from the very edge, no 55 cm, due to this, of course, it is more convenient.
Nope.Just 55 cm from the edge are useful and allow some to cram in unpushy items - refrigerators, ovens, sideboards, kitchen couches and sofas to the left of the entrance to the kitchen. Who is in that much.
here is a photo. Not mine. But the house series is the same. With the doorway to the kitchen, they clearly pissed off. And to the left of the entrance they got the following:
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and on the right is the kitchen corner.




We have nothing to the left of the entrance in this kitchen. In our everyday life, a toy dining table is crammed into these 55 cm, if necessary. and then along the kitchen is placed a raspberry with a drunken spouse, or with one of the guests. And there is also an unfolded ironing board. Or an unfolded floor dryer.
Midnight lady
renard, here I posted my kitchen plan My head is swollen from thoughts ... (his majesty renovated or his own designer) # 2336
I still have a longer wall where the furniture is.
renard
I tried in my kitchen to try on what the 41-42 cm wide passage between the sink and the refrigerator would be.
Well what can I say. I agree, you can go directly between two low objects. I didn't argue about that. However, my shoulder and arm came out over the dining table. This means that if instead of a table at a distance of 41 cm from the headset there was a taller refrigerator, then I would have to seep into this gap sideways or bent over. Straight, without deviating from the vertical, it would be impossible to go in, standing straight to bend in this niche is also impossible without shrinking with a Karelian birch tree. Therefore, I suggest to everyone who wrote that it will be convenient to go through the 41 cm gap between the refrigerator and the sink, to put an experiment in their kitchens.
Move the refrigerator the same distance to the sink and try to move in the resulting gap. Then move the refrigerator a little and repeat the experiment. If it is uncomfortable to move and bend straight, move the refrigerator a little more and repeat the experiment. And so on until you get a comfortable passage width for you. When I experimented with moving the dining table, I got about 50-55 cm. But this is not accurate, because the dining table is not a very accurate imitation of such an obstacle as a refrigerator. The table gets in the way much less.

Further about the proposal to make a linear kitchen and a small sink in the corner. And put a refrigerator next to the sink.
Okay. Let's say there is a small sink in the corner. Width 60, or even less, 50 cm. What to do with the facade or facades of the sink? What size of facades do you offer? What aisle will remain between the sink and the refrigerator when the front is open? To what angle will the facade or facades open?
And how much to cut the width of the passage to the kitchen to make the distance between the sink and the refrigerator more and more comfortable?
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Quote: Midnight lady
I still have a more authentic wall where the furniture is.
Here you go. And they said, the same, the same ...
3.08 and 2.13 are two big differences. You have almost a whole meter more.
My kitchen is still arranged similarly to this photo:
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That is, coldness in the corner by the window 60 + gap for opening the door 10, table with drawers 40, corner sink 100.
Total, 210.
On the other side of the corner, sink 60, table with door 50 + oven with cooking 60 + module 30 rounded towards the entrance.
2 meters. The doorway was also shamanic, so that between the sink and the stove, a working surface with a width of at least 50 cm was obtained. 13 years of repair. I haven't killed myself at all yet, but during the operation little things have come out that I would like to change. including I want to change the doorway to the kitchen back. I want to throw the refrigerator in the corner to the left of the door. And put PMM in its place. And in order to throw out the coldness into the corner to the left of the door, you need to make this corner larger. And the side of the kitchen is 2 meters smaller, as it was - about 190 cm.

Midnight lady
Quote: renard
then I would have to seep into this gap sideways
renard, so there is only sideways and you have to stand, why stand with your face in the wall ?? In principle, if you reduce the doorway, then the refrigerator can be moved even further if the dimensions of the owners need it.
Quote: renard
What to do with the facade or facades of the sink? What size of facades do you offer? What aisle will remain between the sink and the refrigerator when the front is open? To what angle will the facade or facades open?
Facades - two doors, width depending on the width of the cabinet, well, they will be 40 cm. One door opens along the wall at 90 degrees, the other at 175 degrees using a special hinge. You can walk with the door open quietly, but as a rule, the door will be closed, so why keep it open?




renard, you have no door, just an opening? Otherwise, I don’t understand how to use the refrigerator then? Or sliding?
renard
Quote: Midnight lady
Facades - two doors, width depending on the width of the cabinet, well, they will be 40 cm.
No no. Two doors 40 each - this is 80 underframe. The width, which is less than which in those pictures that I drew for Blackout, did not recommend cutting the sink.
But then there were opinions: "how can it be, so much space under the corner sink will be lost", and then opinions: "why is the underframe under the sink so healthy, at least 80 wide. Draw us a picture with a sink 60". So I drew. Now I ask. And what will happen to the facades and how to use this sink "with good access"?
Quote: Midnight lady
renard, so there is only sideways and you have to stand, why stand with your face in the wall ??
The conversation was about caring for fat, inflexible, old people. And also about ensuring good access to the sink. And then suddenly there a grandmother suffering from obesity and arthrosis will climb to clean the sewer line.





Quote: Midnight lady
Facades - two doors, width depending on the width of the cabinet
That is, in the 60th sink there will be two doors 30 each, and in order for a hypothetical obese grandmother-arthroznitsa with a plumbing hobby to get into the sink to clean the siphon on her own, she will need to open the right sink door 180 degrees and being facing the sink, sliding along the wall refrigerator to sit at the sink? Or move the refrigerator to begin with?




Quote: Midnight lady
renard, you don't have a door, just an opening? Otherwise, I don’t understand how to use the refrigerator then? Or sliding?
There is a door, it does not open into the kitchen, but towards the corridor. On that plan, the dimensions in places differ from those that I actually have, this is a plan of a similar apartment in the same series of houses, but not mine.
But the length and width of the kitchen are almost the same. And I showed this plan as an example of a layout in which a linear kitchen turns out worse than a corner one. I can cite more such examples.
Khrushchebs, for example, re-planned. A common redevelopment for Khrushchev was to remove the partition between the kitchen and the room, cut the corridor that led to the kitchen between other rooms, in the kitchen a niche for the refrigerator was made from part of the corridor.

Kitchen in a line in a redesigned Khrushchev. Everything fit. Only the sink in the corner, the PMM next to the oven (which turned out to be wrong) and the longest work surface is the windowsill.
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Kitchen corner in a redeveloped Khrushchev. Design "hello from the 90s", but apart from the bar counter and the strange direction of opening the refrigerator door, a very well thought-out work area, clearly fits more and more conveniently.
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And the bar is there, perhaps for a reason. Maybe there is a large table to meet guests in room A, the counter is for a snack for two and an additional work surface.

So not always, not always, a linear kitchen is better than a corner one. The size of the room depends on the location of windows, doors, risers.





Quote: Midnight lady
renard, so there is only sideways and you have to stand, why stand with your face in the wall ??
Okay. We draw according to your considerations of convenience. Linear kitchen. Sink 80. 2 facades of 40. Bowl in the corner. On one facade, hinges with 180 degree opening angle.
And next to the kitchen at a distance of 41-42 cm is the refrigerator, which is higher than the washing machine, which makes it difficult to freely rotate in the passage of such a width.We do not consider it necessary to increase the passage due to the doorway, the sink user does not need to turn in the passage, it is enough that he can pass sideways.
Is that correct?
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fat, old, inflexible old ladies:
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In taking care of the thick, old, inflexible, as well as maximum convenience of using the sink and efficient use of space, we think over the daily movements of the old woman at the sink. The most frequent reason for which she will open the sink, if we do not compose some separate cabinet for her for a trash can or a freestanding trash can, and do not put a disposer, is opening the sink for throwing out the garbage. Right?
Now imagine. A fat old woman crawled sideways between the refrigerator and the sink into the corner. Standing at the sink, polishing potatoes. The cleaning person wants to throw it in the trash. The trash can, most likely in all, is in the sink on the right, because on the left in the sink of the sewer pipes.
What, in your opinion, will the grandmother's movements be if she cannot turn freely in the aisle? Should the grandmother somehow squeeze into a 40x42 corner and open the right sink door? Or should the grandmother come out sideways from behind the sink and open the door?
Was it convenient?
Okay, we'll have pity on grandma. Let's ask the plumbers to make the pipes more compact on the left and put a bucket on the left.
Grandmother asked for more shelves under the casseroles and was very happy to think of a shallow table between the refrigerator and the sink, but she is old and does not understand anything about furniture.
We will make shelves for her pots in the sink. Deeper, more sweeping, in which you have to reach more. On right.
Introducing the grandmother again. She peeled the potatoes, threw away the peeling, and now wants to remove the pan from the sink.
What will be the movements of the grandmother?

Or here's another important nuance. Our grandmother arranged a gathering with her friends. The girlfriends left, the dirty dishes remained. Grandma was about to wash the dishes. And so that it was convenient for her to load the dishes, the PMM was specially placed in one line, and not at an angle to the sink. Crawled, then, the baushka sideways to the sink.
And he wants to put the dishes from the sink in the PMM. Grandma's movements during this action?
Will she make all movements strictly facing the sink, or will it still be more convenient for her to turn around in the aisle not with her face, but sideways to the sink?
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Quote: Niarma
There are very different washers in depth, you can choose one that can be hung on the facade.
You can hang the facade on a washing machine designed to be built into furniture.
The Blackouts already have a typewriter, it is not intended to be built into furniture with a depth of 45.
Yes, some lovers of "beautiful" shallow non-built washing machines are installed in kitchen tables, pushing them deeper into the table and getting inconveniences with a tray for powder.
But installing a non-built-in typewriter on a table requires more space than you thought. The sides of the cabinet itself are approximately 3.2 cm. Plus gaps so that the machine does not touch the walls of the cabinet and so that the furniture hinges fit. And it turns out not 60 cm under the washer, and not even 62, but about 70 cm.

Another "esthete" teaches how to stick a washer into the kitchen and close it with facades:
renard
Quote: renard
In the 42 cm gap between the sink and the refrigerator, can you stand and use the sink?
Quote: Niarma
YES!!! Unless, of course, the user is the 60th size. I have 39cm between the refrigerator and the sink, which is absolutely comfortable and I don't even rest against the refrigerator. And the second door - yes, with an opening angle of 175 degrees
Apparently, we have different ideas about convenience. Or you are a very petite woman, if the 39 cm embrasure is "absolutely comfortable" for you and you do not touch the refrigerator in any way while standing at the sink in such a space.

I visit my parents. I measured the distances in their kitchen.
It turned out that they have just 40 cm between the dining table and the two-compartment refrigerator.
I tried to walk around, turn around, bend over in this gap.
Realistically pass. Standing to do something is inconvenient. You can turn half a turn. You can bend over, turning half a turn (for example, if you need to get something out of the sink). It is inconvenient to turn 180 sideways to the sink.
I am not the last 60th size and have not yet reached the state of an obese old woman.
So far, it has rounded up to size 50 for the thighs with a height of 170. I have excess weight, but does not pull on severe obesity. So far, I am much smaller in width than the grandmothers in the photo above, and I am not very suitable for a model for tests of optimal sizes and distances in the kitchen for very fat people. Distances for women of average height and average body condition with a little overweight can be checked on me.
I am also not suitable for checking distances for men, because the widest place in a person with respect to a normal physique is the shoulders. Men have wider shoulders than women, so they need more passages and distances.

The dry residue after measurements and experiments - after all, the distance of 50 cm between the sink and the refrigerator standing sideways to it is more comfortable. At 40 it can be cramped. If possible, then when choosing a layout option in which a refrigerator is placed sideways to the sink, it is highly desirable to increase the distance between the refrigerator. What is in the corner kitchen, what is in the linear kitchen with a free-standing refrigerator.
Well, on all plans with a cold at the entrance I indicated that "45+ is better".
Midnight lady
Quote: renard


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renard, but do you really think that with such an arrangement it will be more convenient to bend over to the dishwasher? When there is also a cabinet in the back.

I agree that it will be difficult for a fat person with a trash can with my linear arrangement. Therefore, if the owners do not have the practice of putting the trash can in another place, as I have done, then they need to think about this issue. At the same time, I'm not sure that with the angular arrangement of furniture, this question will not arise anyway, in any case, it is better to open the door for them 180 degrees.
renard
Quote: Midnight lady
renard, do you really think that with this arrangement it will be more convenient to lean towards the dishwasher?
Not. Therefore, the picture says "better than 45+" in red and white.
Relative to the remainder. If on the short side of the corner the furniture and the refrigerator turned out to be in one line, that is, the refrigerator did not crawl out of the furniture at all, then yes, I would be sure that with a sink facade 40-45 cm wide, turn sideways to it, open the PMM and a person of my size will definitely be able to load it.
I have a corner kitchen with a rectangular base. Facade on sink 40. Table with drawers in line with sink. If the drawer in the table is opened, then an embrasure of about 40 cm is obtained near the sink.
In these 40 cm I can calmly turn sideways to the sink, open any drawer in the table and add or remove dishes from it. I can turn 180 degrees with the drawers open in this embrasure. The objects around are low, but I still have the widest part of the body, the shoulders, and not the butt. And the freedom of movement of the shoulders is not limited by anything.




Well, I already told you ... The current kitchen layout I use is now similar to this one:

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Just think, if standing at the sink in such a kitchen you need to open a drawer in the table, what kind of movement will be.
Turn sideways to sink. It is quite possible to do it; you know, using your kitchen as an example, where a low washing machine is located behind the sink.
And in the case of the refrigerator behind the sink, the situation is different. The subject is high. Also with a railing handle, probably since Liebherr ...




Quote: Midnight lady
Therefore, if the owners do not have the practice of putting the trash can in another place, as I have done, then they need to think about this issue.
And where should they put the trash can separately in their kitchen, so that it would be like yours?

Quote: Midnight lady
I agree that it will be difficult for a fat person with a trash can with my linear arrangement. Therefore, if the owners do not have the practice of putting the trash can in another place, as I have done, then they need to think about this issue. At the same time, I'm not sure that with the angular arrangement of furniture, this question will not arise anyway, in any case, it is better to open the door for them by 180 degrees.
About the trash can. I agree that the trash can is more convenient free-standing or in a separate cabinet.
In the case of the Blackout kitchen, from the "extension" between the cold room and the sink, one could make (depending on the depth of the "extension" and the parents' wishes):
a) another table with drawers
b) a table with a door and shelves (they, like, when they were shown this option, were glad that there would be a table where you can put pots).
in) a table with a trash heap (however, here you have to break your head, what to do with the front of such a table and in which direction it is more convenient to open it).

In the bottom row with storage places, they work very weakly.
Actually, this is also why a table materializes between the refrigerator and the sink.

And in addition to the picture you quoted, there was actually a proposal to put 45 ovens under the boil. But it was before I "discovered America" ​​that it is not recommended to put PMM next to the oven. And if they still dare to put an oven next to the PMM under cooking (they have a PMM now next to the stove), then a table with drawers for small things does not work at all. It remains to be placed only between the refrigerator and the sink.

If I, for example, divide the sink into a table with drawers and a small underframe for a sink (let's say 45 table + 50 sink or bezel 5+ table 40 + 50 sink), then without increasing the distance between the sink and the refrigerator with opening the table and sink it will turn out bullshit ...
drawers will not be fully extended from the table, the sink front will crash into the cold.
Niarma
Quote: Midnight lady
it will be difficult with the trash can
I have an Ikeevsky bucket suspended on one of the sink doors at a convenient level and there is no need to bend over anywhere. And it is not at all necessary to arrange squatting dances in this cubicle. For the convenience of storage, there are a bunch of different devices - it's up to the hostess to decide which is more convenient
Chamomile
I have a cabinet for a sink of 50 cm, all plumbing connections, including the PMM connection, fit. There is a water purifier, a Geyser for 5 flasks. You can squeeze in a box of PMM pills and a jar like Chistina. That's it, there is no more space, not at all.
renard
Quote: Chamomile
I have a cabinet for a sink of 50 cm, all plumbing connections, including the PMM connection, fit.
In the discussed arrangement opposite the sink there is a refrigerator. At a distance of about 42 cm.
Here, some assure that this distance is comfortable for working near the sink, and it does not need to be increased.
I think that this is not the case, that it is better to increase the distance between the sink and the refrigerator.
The 50th cabinet for the sink has a facade of 50. There is simply nowhere to open it. It will crash into the side of the refrigerator.
Or blind panel 10 and facade 40 and shove the sink into the corner against the wall?




Quote: Chamomile
That's it, there is no more space, not at all.
Well, that is, the trash can not be crammed. And it stands either separately, or you have a separate locker for it.
And in the case of the Blackouts kitchen, if you try to put a small one instead of a large sink, you will have to do the same as yours. Find a place for trash can not under the sink.





Quote: Blackout

I am not a very good artist, but even before the kitchen was not distinguished by its beauty and convenience. I sketched the arrangement of furniture in the planner approximately as it was, but by the size of the approximate, do not judge strictly. Dishwasher, stove, sink from the door. Washing machine, and the table is moved to it, when the machine is loaded, the table is pulled back. Soviet folding table. Furniture for kitchen
There was a bench above the radiator in the corner, it was very good to sit with your back to the warm wall and stretch your legs on the bench. And the window sill was made minimal so that it would not bite into the back when you sit on a bench at the table.
Can you post this picture not on a bread maker, but on some photo hosting?
I recently tried to upload a plan with the dimensions of the kitchen of one Khrushchev.
Well, to show by example that a linear arrangement is not always better for a small kitchen than an angular one.
And I found that it was on a bread maker. ru photo loader either reduces the quality of the images, or reduces their size, but in the end it turns out that small inscriptions on the pictures become blurry and difficult to see.
In:
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And before going through the local bootloader, there was a well-readable picture.

And then we break the spears here about increasing the distance between the sink and the refrigerator in your kitchen, but it may be so normal. Or, on the contrary, it is still insufficient.
Well, you drew to us that in the current layout some kind of square sink, then a stove, then a PMM stand together. And you can't see the size, you can guess. And that the stove, that the sink can be less than 60 cm.
Blackout
I never thought that discussing the kitchen would cause so many emotions. Thank you very much. I read the discussion carefully.
Until I bought a glossy white pig, I tend to color in an apron.
I like the Sorrento collection at Kerama Marazzi. Combine white tiles 15 * 40 with lemons decor.

🔗


Or the English Orangerie collection. tiles 10 * 10 and berry decor.

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And the furniture is still moving, it cannot be determined in any way
I am in "standby mode", I do not want to raise nerves to anyone.
Mom offered the option not to put anything between the sink and the refrigerator, I have it miniature and easily fit there. And dad "grew up" to size 54 and now he will have to rub his belly.
Vero4ka
Quote: Blackout
Mom offered the option not to put anything between the sink and the refrigerator, I have it miniature and easily fit there. And dad "grew up" to size 54 and now he will have to rub his belly.
And here, it seems to me, the best option is a corner sink. And between the refrigerator and the sink there is a table or dishwasher. Since the hole between the sink and the refrigerator, in my opinion, looks, well, not very ...




And dad will be comfortable ...
Ilmirushka
Quote: Blackout
Until I bought a glossy white pig, I tend to color in an apron.
I am for a white glossy hog
renard
Quote: Vero4ka
And here, it seems to me, the best option is a corner sink.
What kind of corner sink are you talking about? "Pentagon" or "L-shaped" or rectangular?
With a rectangular, many options were offered. And the "pentagon" and the L-shaped do not fit, because from both sides of the corner they eat 90 cm.
Quote: Blackout
dad "grew up" to size 54 and now he will have to rub his belly.
And what aisle between the sink and the refrigerator is comfortable for him?
And how and who usually cleans the drain?




Quote: Blackout
Until I bought a glossy white pig, I tend to color in an apron.
And some color, monochrome or stone look is not considered? For example:
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lega
Quote: renard
And the "pentagon" and the L-shaped do not fit, because from both sides of the corner they eat 90 cm.
When I dealt with kitchens in general, I looked for different options, went to different furniture stores. Visually, I really liked the sink in the corner, but when I tried to reach the far corner with my hand, I realized that this option was not for my height - I simply did not reach it. Moreover, I am not miniature, but of medium height (162), and here they write about my mother as a miniature one.
renard
Quote: Blackout
Until I bought a glossy white pig, I tend to color in an apron.
Yes, there is nothing wrong with it, in a white boar. The main difficulty is corners and rosettes.
Well, there are a lot of seams and chamfers, yes. In care, the small volumetric format will be "more fun" than the flat large format. So give your mom some fun. ))))
OlgaGera
Quote: Blackout
I like at Kerama Marazzi
presented herself in this diversity. I would have had enough for a month ... Everything is beautiful, I admit it. But then to live with this, And not to pick a couple of hours.





Quote: renard
monochrome or stone

Ilmirushka
Quote: OlgaGera
I would have had enough for a month ...
here! Well this is when you just look at the tiles "oh, how beautiful!"
And then ... pots-pots-aprons-potholders and even the tile shines in different colors
OlgaGera
Quote: Ilmirushka
And then...
and then we will block her fanErkoy))))
Blackout
Quote: lga
Moreover, I am not miniature, but of medium height (162), and here they write about my mother as a miniature one.
My mother is thin, and her height is 158. She has not grown in breadth with age, unlike my dad.

Glossy white "hog" - the most neutral version of the apron, which is difficult to ruin. Renovation in progress, but no final design

"We shared an orange -
Many of ours were killed. "


I like the hog tile myself, but the white facades, the white apron ...I am for accents so that the eye "clings".





Quote: OlgaGera
presented herself in this diversity. I would have had enough for a month ... Everything is beautiful, I admit it. But then to live with this, And not to pick a couple of hours.
You don't need so much color. The main one is a light colored background and some decorative tiles.




Quote: renard
And some color, monochrome or stone look is not considered?
Everything is considered, but not everything is pleasant ...,
Wish for the tile on the apron: To be light, so that prints and dirt are not visible, so that it can be washed easily, not rough and not convexly convex "

renard
Quote: Blackout
You don't need so much color. The main one is a light colored background and some decorative tiles.
No decors are needed. After mastering the kitchen, they will still be lost among other objects. 100% after a while mom will ask for a rail. To the left of the sink, that's for sure.
There it suggests itself ... There is a railing on the left, an illumination above the bowl ...
Select the background so that the parents like it, this will be enough.
OlgaGera
Quote: Blackout
and some decorative tiles
I have three pretty décor for 8 meters of an apron. And iak the tile itself is violet / gray / beige / white-silver with stains)))))
Blackout
renard, Railing will be a must, because you can hang so many things on it! You are right, the decor will lose its meaning. Agree.
OlgaGera
Quote: renard
No decors are needed.
no, well, a little accent is needed. Where there will be no roof rails. Will not get lost.
Crown
Quote: Blackout
Railing will be a must, because you can hang so many things on it! You are right, the decor will lose its meaning.
For decorU, I select beautiful fintiflyushki of pleasant shapes and colors that hang on the railing.
renard
Quote: Blackout
So that it was light, so that prints and dirt were not visible, so that it was washed easily, not rough and not convex-convex "
Look for Italon porcelain stoneware somewhere. 🔗
They have successful stone imitations. There is a 60x60 format, if it is from the table and clearly under the shelves, it looks like a skin. They still have 120x60, it may look even more like a skin. It's very scary to deal with the 120x60 format alone, not every tiler can handle it. This is actually the same as piling a stone countertop from a small table onto the wall. He won't hold it, split it either on the road, or while sculpting on the wall, or while cutting out the holes for the sockets, then rake a conflict with him ...
Zeamays
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but white facades, a white apron ... I am for accents so that the eye "clings".
The designers told me: the kitchen looks harmonious, expensive and solid when the floor and countertop are the same color.
By the way, I remembered another solution for a small kitchen: Instead of a baseboard, I have drawers at the bottom of the furniture. A lot of useful things can fit there, for example, baking dishes ...

renard
Quote: Blackout
Wish for the tile on the apron: To be light, so that prints and dirt are not visible, so that it can be washed easily, not rough and not convexly convex "
In general, the wishes are a little mutually exclusive. Prints are not visible on matte. And the easiest thing to wash is large and glossy. I have a friend who has a small glossy tile on her kitchen apron with epoxy grout. She scrapes this tile during cleaning with a scraper for glass ceramics ...
I envy her. My fine matte 10x10 glass ceramic scraper nizya.

And my sister has glass aprons in her apartment and dacha. I especially like the dacha. Glass behind the stove, and on it a motley still life. You can't see if the apron is stained or not. Only at a certain angle.

But an apron from glass is expensive, from a tile it will be cheaper.
Ilmirushka
Quote: renard
I envy her.
for a long time and in many places I searched (and found !!!) a white glossy mirror. Adore!
NICHO can be seen, only a mirror pattern - unobtrusive and barely noticeable type of flowers become dimmer
And I washed and again everything sparkles, mirrors
Anna1957
Quote: renard
120x60
I considered this option for the manufacture of countertops (collective farms made of porcelain stoneware instead of artificial stone).But I needed a pattern with stripes so that the seams would not be conspicuous. And in this size there was no such picture. As a result, I took 60x60. But it was not very expensive either - I mean that it is difficult to work with such a size, and suddenly the master will break. For me, the holes for the hob and sink were cut out of this porcelain stoneware. But somewhere in a special workshop, it was without my participation.
renard
And there are also 80x80 and 80x160 formats. Of them, you can make a glass apron look higher. But again, the larger the format, the more terrible it is to get involved with it.
Anna1957
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80x160.
I didn't even know about this one. But there, and the price tag immediately, probably more significant. I don’t remember the price of the one that would suit me, but it was clearly adequate - otherwise, in principle, I would not have considered it. It was only with the drawing that there was a discrepancy.





And you can cut off the extra 20cm in height for the apron. If everything else suits you.
Blackout
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She scrapes this tile during cleaning with a scraper for glass ceramics ...
That's the main requirement about the scraper! Therefore, it is flat and glossy. So many different cleaning chemicals, steam cleaner. But no, he'll do it with a scraper. Once and everything is ready.
I look at the porcelain stoneware, I like it. But my opinion is not the last one. Until the end of the week, you need to make your choice and buy a tile. But, if anything, that is, "hog"!
renard
Quote: Anna1957
I didn't even know about this one.
Now what only does not occur in nature:
🔗
Ogromina. I have no idea how the tilers deal with this. Probably, a brigade with the help of a heap of glass jacks lifts such a stone on the wall.
Anna1957
Quote: renard
I have no idea how the tilers deal with this.
Yes, I remember that my master was very glad that I stopped at 60x60, not 120x60))
renard
Quote: Blackout
Until the end of the week, you need to make your choice and buy a tile.
Do you already have a tiler? It would be nice to consult with him too. And then you pick 60x60 or ask for a glossy boar with a gash on the corner, and he will say "oops, mistress, but I do not care, that is, I can’t lie down."




Quote: Blackout
Until the end of the week, you need to make your choice and buy a tile
There are also nuances of the layout ... If you choose a rectangular or square tile, then it is advisable to choose a format so that it fits without small undercuts in the corners.
Or the layout and the number of tiles should be calculated so that there are no very small undercuts in conspicuous places.
Well, for example. 60x60 format specifically in your kitchen.
On the wall 2.6 meters, if you start from the corner of the sink with a whole tile, it turns out
4 whole pieces + 20 cm trim.
On the wall 1.62 meters it turns out:
2 whole pieces + 40 cm trim.
Well, some bald people on YouTube are hoping that a layout in which a narrow undercut is formed in the corner is unacceptable. Like, an ugly narrow piece, you need a large one, and therefore if the undercut in the corner does not get more than 1/2 tile, then you need to recalculate the layout so that it turns out. And start laying not with the whole, but with the cut tiles.
In your case, according to the precepts of the bald man, it would turn out something like this:
a piece of 40 cm + 3 whole tiles + a piece of 40 cm.

However, the issue with a small undercut could be solved and in a proletarian way it is easier
And I would still be confused when choosing a large format, so that a seam does not work out of the sink bowl and a seam does not work out behind the stove.

OlgaGera
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Well, here are some bald ones on YouTube googling that layout,
I remember, I share.
My jewelry tilers, on whom I prayed and waited, if they were busy, always said - we put the tiles from the "red corner". That is, where is the view. All undercuts are removed to the bottom / up / gdenevidno.
When they worked, I looked at them spellbound.
Chamomile
I don’t understand the white hog in the kitchen. Wash, do not wash. And the grout on the tiles, I would choose not white. Well, maybe, of course, your water is perfect. But I am in favor of slightly blurred, neutral tiles and colored coverings, light gray, for example.
renard
Quote: OlgaGera
My jewelry tilers, on whom I prayed and waited, if they were busy, always said - we put the tiles from the "red corner". That is, where is the view. All undercuts are removed to the bottom / up / gdenevidno.
And if the tile is on the wall, where both corners are clearly visible, for example, along the wall along which there is a bathtub and there is nowhere to hide it? ))))
Well, at Blackout in the kitchen, the entire wall of 2.6 meters is visible, if they don't hang up and force it with all kinds of kitchen junk.
And what if she likes, for example, 20x50 tiles?
What will it be, 5 whole tiles and in the corner a stub of about 9 cm?
Bald guides about the layout:

Chamomile
My dear, he is a tiler, he laid tiles on the floor in a combined bathroom 1.7 by 2 sq. m. 3 (three) days! To make it beautiful
OlgaGera
Quote: renard
And if the tile is on the wall, where both corners are clearly visible, for example, along the wall along which there is a bathtub and there is nowhere to hide it? ))))
so this is the skill, so that it is not noticeable to do where and what was stabbed)))
I also have two corners visible. I don’t know what they did, but it was perfect.
renard
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And I would still be confused when choosing a large format, so that a seam does not work out of the sink bowl and a seam does not work out behind the stove.
I counted. Nope. Seams with a "classic" layout for 60x60 tiles on a 2.6 meter long wall do not work out that way. Everything turns out beautifully with the sink bowl, but after cooking, the seam can turn out almost in the center of the cooking.
So if you are guided by the plan with a refrigerator at the entrance, then the layout for 60x60 will still turn out better than the "wretched" one, as the bald one calls it. That is, with a whole from the corner of the sink. And at the end there is a small stub of about 20 cm. Which can be hung or blocked with something.




Quote: Chamomile
I don’t understand the white hog in the kitchen. Wash, do not wash. And the grout on the tiles, I would choose not white. Well, maybe, of course, your water is perfect. But I am in favor of slightly blurred, neutral tiles and colored coverings, light gray, for example.
And I understand. I have a colored grout tile. Beige and red, blurry, matte. With decors. 13 years ago, glued, since then my views on apron tiles have changed ...
Yes, no dirt is visible on my tiles and grout. More precisely, they can be seen on a sunny day from a certain angle of view. But with such a non-mark coloring of the apron, you can relax so much that when you notice that it is time to wash the apron, the fat has already dried on it, and there is more fuss with washing the apron.
Therefore, I do not particularly criticize the white gloss in the kitchen. Although I'm not morally ready to stick white gloss to my kitchen. )))))
Yes, with white gloss you will have to constantly clean up, and volumetric chamfers will complicate cleaning. Well, that’s good, it’s more hygienic, it will be cleaner in the kitchen. ))))

In my kitchen, the floor is light, gray-beige-white, under the stone, and in the hallway it is brown-gray, also under the stone. There is no dirt on the floor in the hallway. But in the kitchen, you have to wipe the floor almost every day. Hygiene, yeah. You will not run.
OlgaGera
Quote: renard
bulky chamfers will complicate cleaning. Well, that’s good, it’s more hygienic, it will be cleaner in the kitchen. ))))
hello cleaning company on an ongoing basis. When to live?
renard
We don't know what character Blackout's mom is.
Remember the film "Mama Daragai"?
Maybe she, like the main character in that movie, loves cleaning.

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