Furniture for kitchen

[renard]

renard, I have all the dishes in use. I change often. Has already ceased to keep pretty. I use it. And it's so nice Holiday every day

There are no cabinets for 30.

There are.
We go to the drawing room of the factory that makes economy-class kitchens:
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We choose the cheapest facades from MDF-frame or from laminated chipboard. And in the modules we find 30s.
Merlin kitchens are also not super-expensive. Although they have a couple of models with solid wood facades. On opposite tastes, one is dark brown, one is beige.
And Merlin kitchens with cheaper facades also have 30, however, with a facade only in the form of a door, they do not do such a trifle with drawers. The cheapest facade 30 made of laminated chipboard costs 358 rubles in Merlin.
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renard, I have all the dishes in use.

I also have no division into "ceremonial" and "everyday" dishes. But for two, a mountain of dishes is not needed. What fits in the 50th dryer is enough for us. The rest is standing, waiting for guests. Although it looks the same as the dishes from which we eat every day. And it is not at all in the shelves with glass. Because in these shelves in the working area, completely different things are needed and more convenient.



In general, I believe that 13 years ago I made a mistake in my kitchen with the top row.
There was no need to put glass fronts in the working area. They look beautiful only in the project and in dreams. In reality, it turns out crap and a waste of money on a more expensive facade.
And there was no need to make a shelf 30 + drying 50, it was necessary to make either a stupidly composite body of two shelves, or a non-standard one with two compartments for drying and shelves, and with facades of 40 + 40.

I will not do it myself anymore, and I will not draw it to anyone. Is that as an exception, as for Sense.

[renard]

renard, Horrible! How to live in this ?!

Srach ...

Tyuyu!

I look at the furniture and layout.

Here!

And then bam

My favorite sink location.

[Aunt Besya]

Aunt Besya, a little late you ... First they plan the kitchen, then they make communications for it

Fine! I have only made inputs. If you wish, you can rotate and unfold everything, almost everything)))

I can't find it yet, but I'll look for more.

"Architects" also encroach on this wall:
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The "architects" have a measurement plan that is almost suitable. You can take their drawing and sign your dimensions:
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Their plan lacks an indication of how the battery and the heating riser, the gas riser, the gas meter, the cold water, hot water, sewage risers are located.
On the plan of the "architects" I see only a sewer riser in the corner in the closet, but this is clearly a schematic representation that does not reflect reality. Because according to building rules, the sewer riser cannot be located as shown there, that is, close to the ventilation box and the load-bearing wall. 7-8 cm should be between the wall and this riser, vent box and riser. With all the taps and sockets, this riser can eat a square in the corner of the pantry measuring about 20x20 cm.
Also, if you use the plan of the "architects", it is better to clarify on the spot whether there is really a piece of a thick, apparently load-bearing wall, 210 mm thick between the ventilation box and the kitchen. Or is it their mistake, and in reality this wall can be completely demolished, thus adding another 20 cm to the length for installing the kitchen.
Also, for the planning of the kitchen, the height, depth, removal and "ears" of the window sill that go to the wall can be important, if you are not going to change the window sill.
In your case, if the kitchen is the same as that of the "achritectors" on the plan, ie.with one wide and one very narrow wall by the window, the angle of dawn of the slopes may still be important, by reducing the angle of dawn, the narrow wall can be slightly increased.

In general, if the kitchen has the same length as on the plan of the "architects", 3180 mm, then everything will fit into the line without redevelopment and joining the pantry to the kitchen. True, the stove can turn out to be close to the window.
I figured it out, the line turned out something like this, if the gas riser does not interfere:
10 cm for the gap between the refrigerator and the wall, in the gap you can lay sewer and water pipes + 60 refrigerator + 40 table with drawers + 60 sink + 45 PMM + 15 bottle holder, needed only so as not to put PMM next to the oven + 60 oven , cooking or stove + 15 one more fucking unnecessary bottle holder = 310 cm.
8 cm stock for this, for everything, for decoration and for the difference in yours and their measurements for the gaps for installing the stove, if the stove is not built-in, etc., etc. A large stock is not small, add it to the modules can. Of the minuses - cooking close to the window, a crooked sewer line, which in case of a blockage is not very convenient to disassemble, since the pipe goes behind the refrigerator.
Of course, other options are also possible. For example, throw the oven in another corner of the kitchen, and arrange drawers under the cooking. Then you can't get stupid bottle-makers and PMM 60 according to all the installation rules.
At the end of the kitchen, you can not stick a bottle holder, but some kind of beveled module, like the architects on the plan, if the window is below the kitchen table and the straight module will block the window and prevent it from opening.
Or a refrigerator in that corner, then the sewer line will not turn out to be a curve.

there is a palm tree in a tub, a living plant, icons on the shelf ... this is a creative mess, in general

In fact, the working surface for cooking is only 45cm ...

but the shelf behind the sink is scary ...

And I would not make such a podium, it eats up too much space, it is better to hang a corner shelf for small change (there are like spice jars there), and on the lower tier you can keep something larger.
Have you changed your mind about installing the hood? The same place disappears.

In fact, the working surface for cooking is only 45cm ...

If you remove the srach, then the work surface is 80 between the sink and the stove. And if they used not a "pentagon", which is not very suitable for small kitchens, but a rectangular corner underframe, or an L-shaped underframe for a sink, then between the sink and the stove it would have turned out not 80, but 110 cm. sinks could be used not under a shelf that frightens people, but under something more human. For example, under a roof rack.

10 cm for the gap between the refrigerator and the wall, in the gap you can lay sewer and water pipes + 60 refrigerator + 40 table with drawers + 60 sink + 45 PMM + 15 bottle holder, needed only so as not to put PMM next to the oven + 60 oven , cooking or stove + 15 one more fucking unnecessary bottle holder = 310 cm.
8 cm stock for this, for decoration and for the difference in yours and their measurements for the gaps for installing the slab, if the slab is not built-in, etc., etc.

Oops. Sorry, I miscalculated by 5 cm, the wrong button on the calculator, probably, poked.
305 cm in total, 13 cm stock for this and that.
This is if it is cheaper and simpler with all the equipment on one wall, without redevelopment, without crazy transfers of the sink somewhere under the window and without creating a false wall behind which various risers and pipes are hidden. And if you throw the four-thread into a large corner by the window (oven or refrigerator), use the window sill, go broke for a three-plate cooking, pick up some thread so that it fits into the underframe not 60, but smaller, 50 or even 45, grab the pantry kitchen, or finally to encroach on the carrier between the room and the kitchen, it may turn out to be more interesting.

In general, if the kitchen has the same length as on the plan of the "architects", 3180 mm

Now I looked at the data from the BTI (they received it to formalize the inheritance after the death of my brother), it says that our kitchen is 2.5 by 3.08. I don't really understand how these architects removed the wall with ventilation ducts? We have a vent hole almost at the kitchen door. Those. there the box goes. Now I will insert a picture, where I will mark the heating riser and the gas one.
P.S. we will not have a PMM We are wrong, we do not want it.




Red is a heating riser and from it the battery goes under the window, a separate red circle is a gas riser. And the blue square is where we have a refrigerator and I don't really want to remove it from there. Well, somehow it so happened that a piece along the pantry was added to the straight kitchen in the line that the parents put in 94. My husband made a bedside table for me under the planetary mixer. And on top of it lives a microwave on a homemade shelf. So I think to do the same angle.
Our storage room is used very actively - there is a railing at the top (to the ceiling) and outer winter and autumn clothes for the whole family hang on it. There is also a lot of things stored below (jars of jam, New Year's tree, sugar, etc.). Those. the pantry is inviolable.



And a few years ago we replaced the stove with a built-in gas hob and a built-in electric oven. The husband made a table for them himself. We had a pencil case near the window. Only the shelf at the top was left of it. And below, an additional bedside table is integral with the table, only without a door - they did not bother making more doors themselves. That is, my husband drew a truncated, bought material in Leroy, sawed it in the same place according to our sizes. And at home he assembled and built in equipment. And now I have been using it for 4 years.

Pancake. And I just drew the same 305 with PMM 45, but without the oven.

I already gave a link to a simple drawing above. Here one more time, have fun
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Drawing primitive, complex U-shaped kitchens can not draw. Corner kitchens with sides of different depths (for example, on one side - 60, on the other - 30 or 40), also does not know how. Although in the modules you can select a non-standard in depth, there they have a separate tab with a non-standard.
But it is simple, and there are many different modules.
And BTI, unless measurements were made recently and under your control, is nonsense. See what in fact and compare with the BTI. And then with the old BTI-shny measurements, such cheating and a discrepancy with the actual size can be - horror, horror.

I once amused myself by drawing one Khrushchev.
A two-room apartment, which they wanted to transform into a one-room apartment with a kitchen-living room, a combined bathroom and a bedroom for two spouses. They had such an unpleasant discrepancy with the documents of the BTI ... They broke their heads, and how to use errors in the documents of the BTI in their favor during redevelopment and do what is often forbidden to do. For example, crawl out with the kitchen under the neighbor's bathroom, or vice versa, crawl out over the neighbor's kitchen with your own bathroom.
The bathroom is in fact 1.5 meters long. According to BTI documents - 1.7. The kitchen is in fact less than 2 meters wide, according to BTI documents - 2.1 m.
The area of ​​the kitchen is in fact -5 sqm. Kitchen area according to BTI - 6 sq. m. Bitches BTishnyye added part of the corridor to the kitchen, covered the builders.
The general discrepancy between the actual area of ​​the apartment and the area according to the BTI documents is about 3 square meters. Also a puzzle, but what to do and how to explain where, as a result of redevelopment, 3 sq. m. Or first to demand that the measurements of the BTI be brought in line with the actual measurements. or to be silent in a rag, to rebuild the bathroom and the kitchen so that they are larger and coincide with the measurements of the BTI, but about the missing 3 sq. m. to lie that these rooms were incorrectly measured.

And the blue square is where we have a refrigerator and I don't really want to remove it from there.

And, well, if you want a refrigerator in that corner, then everything can be arranged without any problems.
With which PMM you want, with which stove and sink you want. Here you can do it without any help, I think. Good luck.

I don't really understand how these architects removed the wall with ventilation ducts?

And also, as part of the carrier between the room and the kitchen. Without bothering with the legality of redevelopment. "architects".

well, if you want a refrigerator in that corner

So comfortable to sit and lean your back on
Thanks for helping me get my brains in place! I will draw a little kitchen.

Well, if you're used to it, let it stay.
In the corner where the risers are, it is more difficult to stick it in, the sewer curve is obtained, the gap between the refrigerator and the wall has to be large. I wrote about this in the minuses of the line-up of all the equipment in a line, and I also said that the kitchen would turn out to be more interesting if the refrigerator was thrown into another corner or into the pantry.
I don’t know what your plans are for the big corner by the window. Or maybe you want to put a sofa in it.
or maybe a column with an oven and a microwave in the corner, where the battery is, will seem nicer to you than an oven under cooking ...

[Anna]

we don't want her

Anna, here's the thing, I didn't want PMM either. Because the dishes were washed by the husband and son. This was their privilege. But they miscalculated with one partition. and had to put PMM. It was furnished for six months. And then I tried. Now you can't drag it away. Anna, it's very convenient, believe me.

Prints not visible on matte

As you can see.

Something I have today is the day of errors in calculations.
Overheating of the cpu of the brain due to heat.
In this picture, I was also mistaken, in this version, not 300, but 150 from cooking to the edge of the last module is obtained. 300 can be obtained with cooking on 3 burners. And between washing and boiling, you won't get 750, you get 600. That is, like this:

As you can see.

Are we talking about tiles again now?
And what matte tile did you encounter that showed fingerprints on it?
Or are you talking about furniture? And with furniture, depending on what color is matte. On furniture and doors of light shades, fingers are not visible for a long time. Every finger will be visible on any Hungarian wenge.
It's the same with technology. On black and stainless steel, each finger will be visible. On matte white, it must be heavily soaked in order to become visible.

Anna, honestly, I didn't want PMM either. Because the dishes were washed by the husband and son. This was their privilege. But they miscalculated with one partition. and had to put PMM. It was furnished for six months. And then I tried. Now you can't drag it away. Anna, this is very convenient, believe me.

Or, instead of PMM, you can plan some kind of table with a door. And then, when they are ready to put the PMM, remove this module, and put the PMM in its place and hang the facade from the table.

The main thing is not to click through the moment when the assemblers will screw the handles to the furniture.
I have planned and ordered such a table in my old kitchen. But I relaxed during the assembly. And they screwed a handle on the facade on this table, like on an ordinary swing door on the side ... Such a stupid jamb came out. Now, if you put the PMM in place of the table, you will either have to twist the handle and cover up the holes (it will turn out very "nicely" on MDF in the film, yeah), or change the facade.
In general, over time, I came to the conclusion that all handles on swing facades had to be screwed in the center of the facade, that is, like this:


and not listen to the assemblers who were trying to convince that the handle in the center is "not human, but a fashionable designer jerk", and that the handles on the side will be more convenient, i.e. like this:


... From the side it is really more ergonomic and more comfortable ... However, compared to the center handle, the difference in convenience is not cardinal. But in case of any rearrangements and overbalances (you never know, you want to make a different direction of opening the door in some cabinet), the handle in the center is definitely better. The holes for the hinges can be re-drilled, and the old ones can be closed with furniture plugs. But the through holes for the handle cannot be easily disguised and they are in plain sight.

Anna, this is very convenient, believe me.

I believe. But first, I don't see much sense in it for myself. Secondly, I have a husband who is very stubborn in this matter and he categorically does not want PMM. She washes dishes without problems and often does not even let me wash them. That is, I don't have to wash it too much. So I believe, but we are unlikely to buy PMM.

So I believe, but we are unlikely to buy PMM.

Maybe, just in case, next to the sink, will you plan a table with a facade of 45 or 60?

[renard]

renard, we'll see

60 are you planning?

Yes, I also wanted to propose. Life is changing. Sedna so, tomorrow commercials.
And then again ... and we are already ready))))))
60 is better.

60 is better.

And 45 looks prettier with their length ...
Let's say ... Corner sink with a slightly non-standard underframe, the width is not 1000, but 1050.
With 45 fronts.
1050 sink + 450 PMM + 450 table with drawers + 600 oven, cooking + 450 table with drawers = 3000.
8 cm stock for finishing and other garbage. And what will be attached to the side of the sink ... If the length of the pantry wall is approximately the same as that of the architects on the plan, i.e. 154 cm, then some modules 90 cm long will fit along the pantry wall. That is, again there may be something with 45 facades.
True, I do not understand how Anna's dining table stands and what size it is, that sitting at the table against the refrigerator it is convenient to lean with your back.
A long narrow table across the kitchen or what?
Perhaps, so that there is more space under the table and more decent walkways in the kitchen, it is necessary to make modules of standard depth along the long side, and less deep along the short side, along the wall of the pantry.




Here is a vidos with 2 solutions that can be useful to Anya:

the corner kitchen, however, is shorter. One side is standard depth, the other is non-standard, less deep. And the second feature is the beveled module near the stove because of the too narrow partition by the window, which is below the kitchen tables.

A long narrow table across the kitchen or what?

Table 90x60cm. It stands with its long side along the wall. From refrigerator to table 54cm. Even my mom size 62 fits there. This is in general, her place was originally. But when she is not in the kitchen, then I sit there. The table stands close to the wall, we use three seats.

Perhaps, so that there is more space under the table and more decent walkways in the kitchen, it is necessary to make modules of standard depth along the long side, and less deep along the short side, along the wall of the pantry.

Yes, it is approximately so - an old kitchen 60 cm deep, stands along a long wall. And along the pantry, a 40cm deep bedside table is made.

Is the window above or below the kitchen tables?
If a little higher - great. If it is lower, then you will have to conjure with the module by the window.
Or radically resolve the issue with the window - replace it.

45 prettier

So, do we need functionality or beauty?

So, do we need functionality or beauty?

And let the owner of the kitchen decide that.
She doesn't want PMM yet.

Yes, it is approximately so - an old kitchen 60 cm deep, stands along a long wall. And along the pantry, a 40cm deep bedside table is made.

Well, continue to conjure non-standard. It is not a very big problem to remake a corner straight sink. Cut the body from the invisible side adjacent to the corner, the facade will remain the same. Or you can have a larger facade, not the standard 40, but 45 or even 50, so that the access hole in the sink is wider, and plus the body to saw off.

until PMM wants

There is time. Let the cabinet be for now. But it will not be convenient, to the point of disgrace. Neither two nor one and a half

Secondly, I have a husband who is very stubborn in this matter and he categorically does not want PMM. She washes dishes without problems and often doesn't even let me wash them. That is, I don't have to wash it too much.

Does he also wash the linen, or is it a washing machine? Well, um, the same thing, this is the same necessary thing, even necessary, like a washing machine. And the husband will never wash the way he washes PMM. After washing it, the dishes do not crunch from cleanliness.
For example, now I immediately notice who is washing the dishes. And I go to wash the dishes after hand-washed, because after being perfectly clean from PMM, they are unpleasant to me tactilely, here they are dirty.

[Svetlana]

Svetlana, here I will argue. How my husband washes is just a song!

Is the window above or below the kitchen tables?

Unfortunately, just below the existing ones. And I want another 10 cm higher. Now tables are 84cm in real life (once the base was replaced with legs, perhaps that's why not 85). I absolutely do not have enough height, I am 176cm tall.

But it will not be convenient, to the point of disgrace. Neither two nor one and a half

Well, not that awkward. I use a cabinet with a 50 hinged front. With shelves. Not a fountain, of course, with a pull-out basket or with drawers would be much more convenient.
But all my pots in stacks fit in this table.And very heavy items can be stored in it, for example, a strategic supply of flour, cereals and cans of alcohol in case of preparation for quarantine. The shelves will certainly hold up.
And the boxes - depending on what and with what fittings. The cheap ones may not be able to support this weight.

A pull-out basket in base 45 or 60 can correct the inconvenience of a deep cabinet with a swing front. However, the solution with pull-out baskets is not cheap.
just with a door:

With front fastening:

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dirty after dishwasher? Strange

Lelka, probably a bit tongue-tied, wrote, washed with her hands is immediately visible, she does not crunch from cleanliness. Some kind of sticky. I was there higher, placed commas and slightly corrected the thought.

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slightly corrected

yeah .. and in order to get from there, from these shelves ..
Lie down on the floor ... three, four ... and shuffle ... from our town ...

Come on, exaggerate that. Just bend over. Take out what is on the edge, get out what is deep. I agree, downstairs in deep tables, a drawer is better than a door. But one table with shelves for something heavy - not fucking, what an inconvenience.

And what kind of double standards?
Like a kitchen with a "creative" srach, lower tables with mostly swinging fronts, a "pentagon" in the corner and an eerie upper row - so "What scared you so much and what's so awful here? Normal kitchens." And like some kind of lonely 45th table with shelves just in case of fire, if you want PMM, so "Horror of our town".
And what, the 60th table with a swinging burdock would be better? You won't have to "fumble while lying down" in it?

Unfortunately, just below the existing ones. And I want another 10 cm higher. Now tables are 84cm in real life (once the base was replaced with legs, perhaps that's why not 85). I absolutely do not have enough height, I am 176cm tall.

Wait ... I'll dig a picture with a window below the kitchen tables. Somewhere I saw her in the pictures of the Khrushchevs. There the idea is this - at the bottom of the full length of the window a capercaillie.




Capercaillie is on the side of the window, with such a decision it is necessary to choose which of the family members is not a pity to send to wash the window in the kitchen. )))




I dug it out. True, in the photo the capercaillie was made in the entire window not because the window is lower than the kitchen modules, but in order to use the wide Khrushchev window sill. Scary, but functional.


And if you don't do anything with the window, then, probably, an option like that of the aunt from the Khrushchev with the video above - a beveled module between the stove and the window. One window sash will not open completely, only at an angle. But this is better than the general capercaillie, which is washed at the risk of life.



And you can also try to count the line-up with a shallow pencil case between the stove and the window. But th-that seems to me to ruin everything there. The bevel, like an aunt from Khrushchev, is better.
And if the slopes are huge, as in some stalinkas and Khrushchev buildings, then people do nothing when the partition for the installation of furniture is narrow and the kitchen tables go out the window. It's just that one sash of the window does not open completely, only at an angle:

The 60th table with a swinging burdock would be better?

very comfortably.

with such a decision, it is necessary to choose which of the family members is not a pity to send to wash the window in the kitchen. )))

We all feel sorry for everyone, so our windows are all hinged, except for the window that opens onto the balcony. But now we want to replace it with a swing one, simultaneously increasing the balcony door a bit. And then it is not very convenient for airing in the cold season - it blows directly on the sleeping place. And if the window was opened, it would blow on the cabinets. And all the other windows are fully open. And we will definitely not put the deaf, we will fly high from the 8th floor.

The basket is inexpensive in a beveled module. To base 300:

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similar dear:

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This is if you use a solution with a bevel near the window, like that of the aunt from Khrushchev and in the project of the "architects" (they also have a bevel drawn at the window there).

And we will definitely not put the deaf, we will fly high from the 8th floor.

From Khrushcheba, the option with a capercaillie at the bottom in the whole window is not as dangerous as a capercaillie on the side. And the windowsill can fuck up make all sorts of useful things, if you have a wide ...
Although, on the other hand, if the window sill is very wide, then you don't have to bother that the window is lower than the furniture, and the furniture goes out the window and prevents the window from opening .. One sash will open at the corner.




Now, how has the issue of opening the window sash near the kitchen furniture been resolved?
And what stands between the stove and the window?
How do you open this window for washing, probably ... To the corner? Bumping into furniture? Or is there something shallow between the window and the stove?



I remembered. The Merlin kitchens have beveled shelves and 40 cm wide tables.
I think so, precisely for such cases, when the partition for installing the kitchen by the window is too narrow.
And for lovers of beveled corners in walk-through areas.
Here is the body of such a table in the Merlin catalog, you can draw the dimensions:
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Here is a beveled shelf, but you do not seem to need it, under the shelves of the width of the wall, judging by the drawing of the "architects", if not enough, then quite a bit. These are the lower tables on the window of 30 centimeters call in. Well, maybe it will come in handy for someone else who has the same narrow partition by the window.
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I don’t know how wide the facade goes under these beveled modules. Probably 40.

Small kitchens

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True, in the photo the capercaillie was made in the entire window not because the window is lower than the kitchen modules, but in order to use the wide Khrushchev window sill. Scary, but functional.

An interesting solution!

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And along the pantry, a 40cm deep bedside table is made.

I figured out your kitchen with a table that can be changed to PMM, and with a rounded or beveled module 30 between the "main" set and the window, and with the same "extension" along the pantry as you have now.

The length can be played with the facade and false panels of the sink, if it will not fit.
After all, you wrote that according to the BTI, the length of the kitchen is 308, and I counted the kitchen as 305. 3 cm may not be enough for finishing.
If not enough, then the facade of the sink turns out to be not 45, but 40, and the length of the sink is not 90, but 85.
The 30 module at the end may not be radial, in the drawing room there is simply no 30 with a bevel and a facade.
It turned out so-so ... Tables with drawers are too small. They can be larger, if you do not shove the 30th module at the window.
I painted this 30 there exclusively from behind the window.
And the issue of opening the window can be solved without the stupid beveled 30-ki. Now, if I knew what you have with the opening of the window now ...
And if you can't do without 30, then I'm ready to agree with your spouse that PMM is not a nut. A healthy table with 80 cm wide drawers is better than two tables 45 + 40.

On Taganka it is also deaf below.

This is a very big capercaillie below. They probably go out into the street to clean the window.
And Anna is not on the 1st floor. So if she makes a window with a capercaillie below, then with a low one.
And with a low capercaillie, the window looks scary. Although functional. If something stands on the windowsill, it should be comfortable. You don't need to move anything on the windowsill to open the window.




Another variant.
With huge drawers, a stove very far from the window (it is guaranteed that no splashes from the stove will reach the glass), and with a microwave oven opposite the refrigerator (you do not need to go around the dining table closer to warming up or defrosting).

305, if after finishing this does not fit, you will have to slightly reduce the sink in length and the extension in depth. Or slaughter modules with large boxes. With the opening of the window, the issue can be solved somehow without beveled figulin, by other methods.

There is a lot to compose with a length of 308. If it were not for the narrow partition for installing the kitchen by the window - a very good size, there is where to turn around.




I remembered one vidos about the repair in the Khrushchev, which I once watched, and in which there is also a solution with a window.
An unkempt woman with a dirty head talks about her untidy U-shaped kitchen in a Khrushchev, including braided around the window.
From about 4-54, the story about the window. There the solution is about the same as in the Khrushchev with the wood grouse along the window below. They put a capercaillie below and buried it under the furniture.

[renard]

Damn, is she going to stand on the counter to clean the window outside?
renard, thanks for the ideas. I copy everything to myself in a file

Damn, is she going to stand on the counter to clean the window outside?

Are you talking about a woman with an unwashed head with a U-shaped kitchen? Well yes. In their kitchen, someone will have to climb on the counter and hang out to wash the vertical capercaillie above the sink. ... However, like the owners of other kitchens in the pictures above, where the window sill serves as a work surface. only it will not be so difficult for them to stand on the windowsill, because they will not have a sink and a mixer under their feet. Although on the other hand, this, with an unwashed head, draw water for washing the window and change it closer.

You'd better tell me how far from the corner is your gas riser, whether there is a gas meter. If so, what is its size and location. What about opening a window and what are the parameters of the window? Height from the floor? Sash width at the side of the furniture? Sill depth? Window sill overhang size? The size and angle of dawn of the slopes?

just if the slopes are wide, like in a Khrushchev or stalinka building, the sash on the side of the window where the furniture is narrow and opens at a decent angle, but crashes into the furniture, so maybe not to be fooled by the fact that the lower tables run over the window.
If the angle of dawn near the slopes is healthy, it can be made smaller, then the wall for installing the kitchen will become larger.

I copy everything to myself in a file

the last two, in my opinion, turned out to be successful in the location of the plate. The stove is far from the window; certainly nothing from the stove will reach the glass and curtains.
With curtains, then an ambush if the furniture is up to the end of the wall and leaves the window.
Is that the kitchen in the style of Provence, aka country, or in Russian "village" or "collective farm" zabatat (if, of course, it fits into the general style of the apartment) and stick a cornice cafe on the window.
Convenient for breeding "creative" srach style. Like, it was conceived, this is not a technique and there is nowhere to put small utensils, this is such a design.
The most compact and easy to clean curtain option. It is easy to remove, wash.
These are not mini-cassette rolls, which are even more compact, but cannot be easily removed and washed ...
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The cornice cafe is a bar that is attached directly to the windows. And curtains are strung on it. Like on a train. A specific thing, with a kitchen in some minimalistic style, will look ridiculous.



Mini-cassette rolls, very compact, but difficult to care for:
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Or you can just not bring the kitchen to the end of the wall. Leave 20 centimeters between the furniture and the window on the curtains. Then the choice of cornice and curtains will turn out to be simpler and freer, and the window sash will certainly open to a good angle. I already took aim at my window ...



How would Provence:




And then I came across, also Provence, with a shallow showcase between the window and the stove.

I voiced this idea. But when I tried to count and draw, it seemed that it would turn out badly. I tried to count with a shallow pencil case 40 cm wide.
It seemed to me that 40 would be very narrow to go to the pencil case. And I didn't like the corner sticking out on the way to the pencil case. In the picture, the showcase is whole by 80, this is a completely different size.
And your 3.08 doesn't fit. 60, maybe cram in. But then you will have to reduce the distance between the sink and the stove. Try sticking a shallow pencil case yourself near the window. It's also an exit, with a window and curtains ...




Also, as it were, Provence. With Lelka's favorite patchwork. And the complex transfer of the sink under the window.
I think this is not a real kitchen, but a design visualization of a project. Maybe even for an apartment in your series, the dimensions are too similar. Not every apartment owner dares to implement this.
With a window and a curtain, it is clear what happens:




Another Provence with a small partition by the window for the installation of a kitchen. The stove is very close to the window and curtain:

I also drew the refrigerator in the corner near the risers, only I did not try to braid the kitchen around the window and did not offer to shove the sink so close to the refrigerator.




Provence again, a small partition for installing a kitchen, a roller blind, with which it is inconvenient to open the window wide:





Blinds, compact, but not in the theme of the chosen style:




Non-standard move. The refrigerator runs over the window:

Some of my friends in a small-sized kitchen have a coldness in the socket just like that. Part of the window closes, the window sash from the side of the refrigerator opens only to a small angle. But they have it at their fingertips and not in a "warm" corner near the radiator, and there are no problems with curtains, and with the height of the kitchen ... And if the window needs to be washed, then the cold weather can be removed from the corner.



Some kind of incomprehensible little beveled crap at the bottom near the window:

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In total, approximate options for solving the issue with a narrow partition by the window for installing a kitchen are as follows:
1) do not bring the kitchen to the end of the wall, leave a hole about 20 cm wide between the kitchen and the window to open the window to a corner and curtains.
2) bring the kitchen to the end, if the width of the slope is large and allows the window to open at an angle.
3) shove some kind of beveled module between the "main headset" and the window
4) shove a shallow pencil case between the "main headset" and the window
5) put a non-recessed refrigerator between the "main set" and the window
6) replace the window with a window with a wood grouse at the bottom

You'd better tell me how far from the corner is your gas riser, whether there is a gas meter. If so, what is its size and location. What about opening a window and what are the parameters of the window? Height from the floor? Sash width at the side of the furniture? Sill depth? Window sill overhang size? The size and angle of dawn of the slopes?

I will try to draw a kitchen with dimensions in these exits. While I can say that the pier by the window .... tadam - 59cm. If you slightly correct the slope, then you can try to get 60. And change the window sill so that it does not crawl out of the window border. If the sash does not swing open 90 degrees with a penny, it's not a big deal.
Therefore, I think over the pencil case by the window, quite narrow at all. And I think (well, it's not harmful to dream?), Is it possible to raise the oven half the height, there will be a microwave on top of it. And the cooking will move towards the sink. But how much will then remain under the working surface ?!



There in the photo, where, as it were, Provence, will it be convenient to use the sink with this arrangement?

While I can say that the pier by the window .... tadam - 59cm.

Well, why are you so ...)))
They would say right away, but here I am collecting a whole collection of pictures with a narrow partition for installing a kitchen, focusing on the dimensions indicated on the plan of the "architects", that is, 33 cm.
And 59 cm is almost almost a kitchen installation.
You can try to put the cold outside in a warm corner. And in place of cold weather, a column with an oven and microwave, so that mom had something to lean on.

There in the photo, where, as it were, Provence, will it be convenient to use the sink with this arrangement?

I doubt it will be convenient. Firstly, the small distance from the sink to the stove, and secondly, the sink bowl is strongly shifted to the wall.
I can give a tooth that there will be no inconvenience if the sink bowl is placed as close as possible to the edge of the underframe in the corner underframe under a sink with a facade of 40.
I use it myself.
Well, that is, if the bowl is laid out like this:

That will definitely be normal. And if the sink is with a small wing, then in that corner you can still hang all sorts of railing pieces. For example, a board shelf or a lid holder. Or even stick in a tabletop dryer.
If like in that photo, I doubt it will be good.




Although no ... As for the tabletop drying - I overdid it. Your underframe under the sink turns out to be truncated, not 100, but 90-85. Drying can get in the way ... Che-that small will fit in the corner. The cutting board shelf on the side of the sink will definitely not interfere.

You can try to put the cold outside in a warm corner. And in place of cold weather, a column with an oven and microwave, so that mom had something to lean on.

I counted. Not...After the suggestions to make work surfaces of 80 cm between the sink and the stove and the stove and the window, you probably will not like the option "the refrigerator is not in a warm corner".

10 cm gap between the wall and the refrigerator for the door to open normally. +
60 holdos + 30 table between the refrigerator and the stove + 60 cooking and oven or drawers + 85 sink = 245
308 - 245 - = 63 cm.
This remains so much for the margin for finishing and the work surface / table between the sink and the stove. In a good situation, a table with 60 cm wide drawers may fit between the sink and the stove.
And in place of the refrigerator, then a pencil case with a niche for a microwave is obtained. Or a column with an oven and microwave.

What's the point of swapping a column for an oven with a microwave oven and a refrigerator? Why can't this column be placed by the window?

What's the point of swapping a column for an oven with a microwave oven and a refrigerator?

Well, it's up to you to decide whether it makes sense or not, what you like best and what is best for you.
First, a refrigerator next to a heat source is actually not very good. Not all owners are ready to put their refrigerator next to a heating riser or radiator. If you read the discussion of the Blackouts kitchen, then the parents were categorically against installing the refrigerator in a "warm corner", even if the riser was insulated. They took great care of their Liebher, they were ready to put it anywhere, even at the entrance to the kitchen, as long as it was not hot. I fully understand them, I have never put refrigerators next to batteries. It was also a pity for the technique.
But an oven with a microwave does not care about a warm corner, they are made for this purpose in order to warm up and not be afraid of heat.

Secondly, the refrigerator is next to the kitchen set, at hand, it is more convenient during cooking, you do not need to run far.
Thirdly, specifically in your case with the wishes to make the kitchen tables higher, the refrigerator not in a warm corner partially eliminates the difficulties with curtains and the height difference between the window sill and the kitchen countertop.
On the other hand ... An unbuilt refrigerator does not always go well with the chosen furniture. Some aesthetes build special niches for the refrigerator, throw a freestanding refrigerator into the opposite corner of the kitchen, like yours, or into the closet, or into the corridor, if the layout allows, so long as it is not next to the furniture. He traumatizes their feelings of beauty so much when he stands next to the kitchen set. They do not want to build in, because it fits less and it is more expensive, but at the same time, the sight of non-built-in cold storage next to the furniture is very upsetting for such people ..
This is the first thing. And secondly, specifically in your case, with a refrigerator not in a warm corner of the work surfaces, it turns out less.

And here, except for you, no one better decides how it should be in your kitchen. The refrigerator is in a safe corner and close at hand, but there are fewer work surfaces, or larger and fatter work surfaces, and the refrigerator is on its own.




Well, in general ... I did not offer a column with a microwave and an oven in the versions when the refrigerator is near the battery. Firstly, because I did not know that the wall for installing a kitchen is of normal width, and not 33 cm.Where to shove a column in 33 cm ...
And, secondly, I did not want to reduce your working surfaces and generally deviate greatly from your current layout.
I voiced the column from the microwave and oven only when you wrote that the size of the pier is 59.
Tomorrow, if I'm messing around, I'll have some fun drawing options, taking into account the new inputs.

Well, for 17 years, nothing happened with a refrigerator in a warm corner. True, we have Atlas, not Liebherr. I think that nothing will happen to him in the future. It stands at a distance from the riser. As for running, it's not about our kitchen. I understand that there are fewer, but we also do not run too much.
And from the drop, in principle, any column or pencil case should save.
And yes. As I understand it, the oven under the hob gives a good work surface. An attempt to lift the oven creates tension with this surface.

By the way, in the last photo the sink is turned to the short side of the letter G.And there the depth of the table is less than 60? Or with this option you need 60 and do it on this side?

By the way, in the last photo, the sink is turned to the short side of the letter G. And there the depth of the table is less than 60? Or with this option you need 60 and do it on this side?

Yes, I have to do 60. True, I brought a video into the topic, where I could do a little less.
But the kitchen there is clearly not cheap at all, and the girl said that with such a non-standard, like a sink with a depth of 50, a furniture maker sent her on an erotic journey.
Now I will rewind the topic, I will give a link to that vidos.

And yes. As I understand it, the oven under the hob gives a good work surface. An attempt to lift the oven creates tension with this surface.

Yes. This is one of the reasons why I didn’t offer the column until it became clear that the refrigerator could fit into the “cold” corner. Firstly, by the size of the "architects" I thought that the column simply would not fit there, it would block the window. Secondly, I didn't want to paint small work surfaces.



Vidos about a corner kitchen with a non-standard sink depth:


And at the same time a photo with some kind of column and coldness opposite each other, which was already in the subject:

Well, that is, if the bowl is laid out like this:

That will definitely be normal.

will not be.

By the way, in the last photo the sink is turned to the short side of the letter G. And there the depth of the table is less than 60? Or with this option you need 60 and do it on this side?

Here's a kitchen with a sink along the pantry wall. With a large table between the refrigerator and the stove, you can stick it between the stove and the microwave cooler on brackets or in a shelf.
And with a table in case you ever want a PMM.
Fits all your equipment except the planetary blender. If it is not very large, then it can be shoved onto some narrow and not wide bedside table in a warm corner.
You can also divide the work surfaces in a different way - 40 between the refrigerator and the stove, 80 between the sink and the stove. But then you still have to puzzle over what to do with the microwave.

The total length with the refrigerator is about 301 cm. The stock for finishing and the refrigerator door is not large, 7 cm in total. So it is possible that some of the modules in this version will have to be reduced.

will not be. The back will hurt.

Again, some kind of double standards.
I remember that someone advised other people in the subject to shove 60 sinks in the corner against the wall, despite all sorts of pictures from furniture makers on the topic of scoliosis when the sink was located in the corner against the wall.
And suddenly, all of a sudden, the more or less ergonomic arrangement of the sink becomes so uncomfortable.
I apologize for curiosity, how wide are your shoulders that you had to bend with this sink arrangement? Or, in your kitchen, the upper cabinets were too deep so that you poked and bent your shoulders and forehead in them so that your back hurt?

The corner will always be a collection for don’t understand why. Proven by experience. It is better to pull the sink out of the corner altogether.

As if Anya is now using another sink, her kitchen is not angular, and she has room to increase the underframe of the sink.
She also wrote that her husband had attached 40 cm deep tables to the side of the sink in the old linear kitchen.
It is clear that her sink is now about 80 cm, with a facade of 40, it would not have been possible to attach such tables to the side of another. And the sink bowl, most likely, is cut into the edge of the underframe, that is, it is located exactly in the center of the facade.