Furniture for kitchen

The box can cost inhumanely, like the washing machine itself.

Why buy, you can order it together with the kitchen in your size, business!

A busurman podium collective farm almost made of shit and sticks.

You have several mistakes in the word brick.

Why buy, you can order it together with the kitchen in your size, business!

Have you already ordered this? A chipboard box, from which kitchen cabinets are often made, is it really capable of withstanding a washing machine?



From the fair of masters picture. We offer the manufacture of boxes for washing machines according to individual sizes. Why don't I know, I am no longer interested in a box for a car.
The photo shows a solid frame near the box, made of metal profiles.
Such, perhaps, will withstand the washing machine. But where is it in the kitchen, and what kitchen makers would undertake to make this and fit it into the kitchen set? Not ... You can put this separately, in the bathroom or in the closet.

Have you already ordered this?

I ordered a kitchen with a window for the oven, the oven is also heavy, and under it is also a drawer. But this is garbage, the main thing is the drawer itself and the sliding mechanism, and on top of this craft, thick plywood is screwed onto it, and also on the sides, if the podium is not from wall to wall, floor or wall tiles are molded (depending on the rest of the bathroom design rooms). You just still need to make a stopper, otherwise the machine can jump off the podium. And it would be good to put a thick rubber mat under the typewriter so that it makes less noise at night.

I am no longer interested in a box for a car.

Me too, but if yes, then I would not spend that kind of money on such a trifle, I would have found a more practical option (in all respects).

I ordered a kitchen with a window for the oven, the oven is also heavy, and under it is also a drawer.

Many have such kitchens with a "window under the oven". The oven is much lighter than the washer. And does not vibrate when working.
I can still take out my oven and insert it into the set myself. On bent ones, however, and with great tension, but for now I can ...
But I can only push a washer with an unscrewed counterweight on the floor. To lift is not realistic. When I was younger, I could jerk a washing machine with a counterweight unscrewed (without a counterweight, the machine is much easier) to rearrange through a not very high bathroom sill.

Yes, and stopping the elephant at a gallop and tearing its trunk off, too, probably, then it could, if needed. ))))

And now, even without a counterweight, such a jerk of the washing machine through some threshold cannot be mastered. A heavy piece of iron too.

Well, not the point. The bottom line is that the washer is heavier than the oven, for the drawer for the washer, the frame must be stronger and more massive than the body of the table or the case for the oven.

The bottom line is that the washer is heavier than the oven, for the drawer for the washer, the frame must be stronger and more massive than the body of the table or the case for the oven.

It's just that you need to take this into account when ordering a box, but even an ordinary chipboard-eshnaya structure, sheathed with good plywood and tiles, will become an order of magnitude stronger and easily withstand a dancing machine.

I used to have a refrigerator on such a drawer from a kitchen set (with a large drawer). For 30 years it has not collapsed, now there is an Oka refrigerator in the country and on top.

You can stick any wallpaper with a beautiful picture under the glass and there will be a completely different effect.

About that and speech. Well, purely window glass, white on the back. Throw in so much money and for what?
Rather, the fashion for this business would pass ...

Our relatives have glass with pictures. I go there once every six months, and then I'm already fed up with brilliant pictures for 5 years.)) Plus, the riveting of these fasteners dofigischi, they cut the eyes ..

Rather, the fashion for this business would pass ...

why follow it? It is precisely in the arrangement of everyday life. Maybe I don't like the shape and look at all, but so fashionable. So what? Do you have to follow?

I just remembered about one nuance in the Blackouts kitchen in time, on which it depends whether they can even glue the tiles from the countertop.
There is a heating riser in the corner next to the set. It is not known at what exact distance it is from the 2.6 m long bearing wall.
From the words of Blackout, it is known that it protrudes from the wall with a window by 10 cm.
When calculating on this wall, I counted the kitchen with a small margin of 5 cm, that is, 2.45 m long.
Well, that is, from the edge of the headset to the wall there was a gap in which the heating riser sticks out.
If the Blackouts want to make a countertop from wall to wall and close this gap with a countertop, then in the countertop they will need to make a cut under the riser if it is closer than 60 cm from the corner.
If the tabletop is solid along the entire length of 2.6 m, then in order to install or remove such a tabletop, it will have to be wound up and lowered into place at an angle to the riser.
Well, and accordingly, you will need a margin to lower the table into place. Well, that is, from a chipboard, a 2.6 meter long tabletop with a cut under the riser simply will not stand up. It will be a little shorter ...
And this "a little shorter" will then have to be covered with something from the edge.
And if you start to glue tiles from the countertops installed in this way, then they will not be able to move the furniture away without smashing the tiles.

Hence the questions for Blackout and Blackout for reflection.
1. So what's all the same with the location of the riser and the battery? And what is the riser from?
2. What are the plans for the length of the table top on the wall 2.6 meters? Will you pull to the end of the wall, or will you hammer 10-15 cm in the corner?
3. If you pull to the end of the wall, then have you already wondered how the pipe bypass will look with the selected worktop material?
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Pictures for thought about a heating riser and a countertop:



And then the owners of the kitchen did not bother, they just scored. Maybe the curtain is driven into the resulting gap:

And you can still try to plasterboard the riser. Then, instead of a cutout for the pipe, you get a rectangular cutout for the box. Only the box can gobble up all the spare centimeters:


Well, this is so, at the same time it turned up.
Washer in the corner by the window at the end of the headset in some kind of Khrushchev:
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And by the engine behind the nuance about the kitchen countertop and the heating riser, one more nuance arises - the table is brought into the apartment. You need to find out what is the maximum length of the countertop you can bring into the apartment. Or maybe 2.6 is generally unrealistic to bring into the apartment, and the table on this wall will turn out to be only a composite of two parts. And then if the table is made of laminated chipboard, as dad wants, you will have to think about where to make the joint of these two parts.
I once faced the problem of sliding a tabletop into an apartment. I bought a table in Merlin with delivery to the entrance. The maximum length that was sold there. 3 kopecks meters.
We needed pieces about 1.4 meters long.
Well, I decided to take a large one, so that the installers had a supply for hand-cracking, and they would cut everything in my apartment as needed. I didn't order the rise to the floor, because my husband and I decided that the two of us could quite cope with the table from the entrance door to the apartment by a freight elevator.
However, as it turned out after the delivery of the tabletop, it was impossible to carry these 3 kopecks meters of tabletop to the freight elevator through the nooks and crannies of the 1st floor. And even if we did manage to do it, a tabletop of this length cannot be shoved into our freight elevator at any angle or on any diagonal.
And it is impossible to climb up the back staircase in our entrance too. And it is impossible to lift into the apartment through the window on ropes, because there is a high floor.
Total. We sawed the table ourselves into approximately two equal parts on the first floor. On the knee with an ordinary saw, because the meeting with the collectors was supposed to take place only a few days after the table was delivered, and we could not connect the jigsaw to the electricity on the 1st floor. The collectors then cut these pieces to size.

Maybe your tile is not of a quality?

I remembered. Actually, my tile appeared on the topic about choosing utensils for cooking.
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...131.0
The Poles made it, I don't remember how much it cost, I remember that it cost more than what was sold in chain hypermarkets. 10x10, matte, reddish-beige, beige - in the color of the facades, reddish - in the color of the kitchen bodies and countertops.

The counter, however, is junk. A time-slot that was set up because they did not want to make the whole apartment good at once.
13 years old temporary house. ))) At first there was not enough money for a higher price, then there was not enough desire to rake the kitchen in order to change the table ..

Layout with the whole bouquet of "beauties" at once - with decors, pencils and perversions with diagonal laying. There are 8 decors, none of which is repeated. Various leaves and ornaments, one got into the frame, peeking out from behind a frying pan. On the background tile, the stains are also different, and not like a cheap one, all like a carbon copy.
13 years ago it seemed to me that such a tile for the kitchen is the most suitable.
But during the operation, my views on which tile is best for a kitchen apron have changed.
Starting with the fact that decors, especially in a small kitchen, are not needed, and bulky decors like pencils are generally evil, and ending with the fact that the fewer seams, and, accordingly, the larger the format, the easier cleaning.

Starting with the fact that decors, especially in a small kitchen, are not needed, and bulky decors like pencils are generally evil, and ending with the fact that the fewer seams, and, accordingly, the larger the format, the easier cleaning.

I completely agree. And there should be tiles on the apron, everything else from the evil one. I can't say anything about glass, there is no personal experience, except for the shattered glass table at my sister's.

I also have no personal experience using a glass apron. At my sister's dacha, I tried it a little in operation. She has a still life skin behind the stove. I liked it, it is easy to clean.

This is not to say that small tiles are a very bad choice. It has a plus - it is easier to replace the battle on it and it is easier to correct errors with the location of the sockets. I made various small mistakes in my small kitchen. The first experience was, in places I was wrong.
Including, the mistake was a large 4 post block of outlets close to the hob. 12 years after the repair, my frame on this block burst, as I think, from the heat coming from a large saucepan that was in the boil. And I decided that this block should be reduced by at least 1 post, or better by 2, thus slightly removing the block from the hob. But there were almost no tiles left in stock, so we managed to shorten the block by only 1 post.
I disassembled this block of outlets, tore off the pieces of tiles that were around the socket closest to the cooking. I closed the hole for the socket box, glued the tiles from the remnants, put the block back together. Now the block is for 3 posts instead of 4. And it is connected more correctly, before another healthy block came from it by a loop. And after the alteration, the connection of these blocks became a "star". And if there were a large tile format, I would not be able to pull off such an event.

There was also a case when I unsuccessfully removed a hook on a suction cup attached to silicone from a tile. There was no rail in the kitchen at that time, and I hesitated whether to put it at all.
And you had to hang a towel somewhere in the working area. I bought a suction cup hook.
Only the sucker didn't want to stick to the matte tiles. And I glued it to the silicone sealant. Not very well, she kept on silicone, periodically fell off, and I again put her on the same place on the silicone.
But according to the law of meanness, when I nevertheless decided to put the railing and remove the hook on the suction cup from the tile, the suction cup was removed along with the glaze on the tile. I had to replace this tile.



And also in this kitchen I had a funny miscalculation with the refrigerator and the removal of the windowsill.
Big hello to the Blackouts and everyone who, while composing the layout of the kitchen or other premises, forgot to measure such "unimportant" details as the removal of the window sill, as well as the location of the heating pipes, radiators, the thickness of the batteries, the height of the window sill, etc.
With a riser and a battery, thank God, I didn't screw up in that repair. I measured it and took it into account. But I missed the window sill. Planned a kitchen with a refrigerator in the corner by the window. This is how the refrigerator should have stood (it did get up in the end, only minor alterations of the already finished repair had to be made):

The partition from the corner to the window slope is about 80 cm. Well, that is, any refrigerator will stand up without crawling out of the edge of the window, and near it the curtain, which is still moved, can hang out. I laid 73 cm in width for the installation of the refrigerator, so that the door would open normally. The distance from the corner to the battery is about 1.4 meters, which is quite sufficient so that the refrigerator door does not touch the battery when opened.

And I decided to make the window sill wider, because the area under the window sill is narrow, and in the developer's version the window sill is only about 13 cm. And I completely forgot about the refrigerator. They put me in the kitchen a plastic window sill 25 cm wide. The large extension of the window sill was propped up with fat anodized corners without a stiffener, walled up in plaster. In general, it turned out neatly, the corners under the windowsill are not visible.
After finishing, they began to furnish the apartment .. They installed a kitchen set, then bought a refrigerator. And then oops ... It turned out that a 60x60 refrigerator cannot be installed in the planned 80x73 square so that it opens. The healthy removal of the window sill made it difficult to slide the refrigerator back into place. And even if the furniture was moved away, first put the refrigerator in the corner, and then everything else, then taking out would interfere with opening the refrigerator door.
I had to cut a part of the window sill in place almost flush with the wall. Well, when choosing a window sill, I decided not to creep out too much and chose a white plastic Meller. And it was lucky that the stiffeners were vertical, and one stiffener was almost flush with the wall. We removed one corner that supported the edge of the window sill, cut a part of the window sill along this stiffener, sanded the cut neatly flush with the stiffener, glued it with a furniture edge, leveled the hole from the corner in the plaster, re-glued the wallpaper from the remains in this place, and it turned out that it was like it was intended. Variable width window sill. Something like that:

In general, we got out with little blood. And if I took into account the nuance with the window sill right away, then I would choose another material for the window sill, and it could have turned out prettier, for example, like this:

Moreover, judging by the search for pictures, such a jamb is often encountered when planning a kitchen.
Pictures with sawn window sills are found immediately.
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Well, on the other hand, an unforgettable experience for the rest of your life, that even such a small thing as a window sill can be important.
Not to mention heating risers and radiators.

I'll ask navaTsapit. Grout

As I promised
kitchen apron. The tile is 9.5 by 9.5 cm. Actually, the grout has been since 2000. Color rendering is lame, alas

and guest toilet walls


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There hasn't been any cleaning yet. Just arrived and I puzzled them

And the furniture is still moving, it cannot be determined in any way
I am in "standby mode", I do not want to raise nerves to anyone.
Mom suggested not to put anything between the sink and the refrigerator, I have it miniature and easily fit there. And dad "grew up" to size 54 and now he will have to rub his belly.

Pictures for parents, as in real life, some decisions are obtained that they thought about, and which were discussed here.
Washer in the middle of a kitchen set. The owners of the kitchen decided that the car should be "bulging out" (c). They put it forward, probably, either because there were problems with the tray for the powder, or a full-size washer with a large load, which your mother dreams of, and will not cram deeper:

A narrow washing machine sideways to the kitchen. It is not possible to build it under the table.

Small sink in the corner with an embrasure between the sink and the refrigerator. PMM does not open a little to the end. )))

In the penultimate photo, after all, the lower basket cannot be rolled out of the PMM. Why so?

Washer sideways to the kitchen. It is not possible to build it under the table.

you can order a table a little wider than the standard one, though it will be more expensive. It also seems like Ikeevsky tables are wider (deeper) 60 cm.And this option for the location of the washing machine, IMHO, is very good

Ikeevsky tables are also wider (deeper) 60 cm.

Yes, I bought a beech tree from them, it is 63 or 65 cm.

you can order a table a little wider than the standard one, though it will be more expensive.

Now there are 80 cm standard ones, even in Leroy. 🔗
The problem is not so much in the counter as in other points.

And this option for the location of the washing machine, IMHO, is very good

Have you ever wondered how, with this arrangement of the car, the side of the car with the facades and the base of the kitchen will get married?

How can the side of the car with the facades and the base of the kitchen get married with this arrangement of the machine?

If the countertops are wider than the standard, then the CM side will be closed with a facade and that's it. That is, the SM will be in the niche

Well, the plinth is clear that it will end at the level of the typewriter, and with the facades - just an insert strip. on the Internet I saw a photo of such placement (under a common table), I liked it. And at least a little isolated from the main kitchen. Or like the previous post, it's even better.

If the countertops are wider than the standard, then the CM side will be closed with a facade and that's it. That is, the SM will be in the niche

And what will happen to the plinth? There are no standard fronts as tall as a kitchen cabinet with legs.
Well, for example, the base:

And what will happen to the plinth if they want to put it further away so that it is more comfortable to stand in the working area of ​​the kitchen?
Is it good when the body of kitchen furniture does not have legs, and expensive firewood stands right on the floor or on thin lined legs, such as these?


And questions arise like a train. And what will happen to the depth of the "dead corner" in the corner kitchen, about which the members of the forum lamented, if the depth of the table on one side of the corner kitchen is increased even more?
And how much will the length decrease for installing the kitchen on another wall?
And who will make this non-standard and how much will it cost? Well, this is not a standard corner underframe for a sink to slightly rip off from the edge that is never visible ... Here the task turns out to be much more difficult, you cannot do this on your knee.
And in relation to a specific Blackout kitchen - why all these dances with a non-standard, if with the car sideways to the kitchen all the same, all the equipment that needs to be shoved into the kitchen does not fit normally and ergonomically, something will still have to be put on or not at all, or put it somewhere separately, and mom is still dreaming of a full-size car?

Well, the plinth is clear that it will end at the level of the typewriter,

I did not understand the phrase. The plinth will end about 10 cm from the floor.

Or are you talking about the fact that the base will break off where the washing machine begins? And what will happen at the junction of the base and the washing machine?

on the Internet I saw a photo of such placement (under a common table), I liked it.

I came across only two normal options.
The first one looks like a real photo of a completed project, the kitchen was "braided" around a box, the side of the machine was closed with a narrow module. By eye - a module of 20-30 centimeters deep. Most likely 20.

The second is a picture with At the same time, the continuation of the base along the bezel covering the side of the washing machine is coquettishly cropped in the picture, which is why I doubt that this is generally a real photo, and not a design visualization:

Or the picture was specially cropped so as not to shine an unsuccessful fragment.

We all taste differently for color. I share my experience and observations of 6 kitchens. In the parents' first kitchen, dad laid out the apron with 15 * 15 square tiles. White gloss and brown twigs pattern, like on plates. The stove was laid with the same tiles. The kitchen was changed and the apron was removed.Replaced it with a panel in brown marble countertop color. It was beautiful and elegant with white tiles with twigs as on a plate, there were no problems to wash. With a dark panel gloomy, the dirt could only be felt by touch, but very gloomy. In the village, they laid out rectangular tiles for bathtubs, probably 40 * 20, pink marble, the dirt is visible all and instantly. They chose an apron for a friend and I came up with a dark chocolate mosaic. Lena is still grateful - the dirt is not visible, it is not difficult to wash, she looks smart. Nice, but I don't want a dark apron. Another friend tiled the apron with shallow Moroccan tiles. Very bright, beautiful and no dirt is visible. She herself wanted mint cuisine and something like that. Life has made adjustments: a private wooden house, a display case kitchen and not mint, but cherry. She refused bright skins. The apron is a bright snow-white glossy laminate type panel. Smart, but every drop is visible and it gets very hot from the hob, which is already scary. I would like a tile, but finances do not allow it. My husband's brother came, looked and said that there would be white frosted tempered glass for me (he deals with glass), I'm waiting. The men also insisted on the railing, although I was against it, they said you don’t want it, don’t hang anything on it, and so let it be. I sit and wait. I realized for myself that the dirt is not visible on the light tiles with an intricate pattern. Here, but this is not fashionable now

you can order a table a little wider than the standard one, though it will be more expensive. Ikeevsky tables are also wider (deeper) 60 cm.

I remembered. The standard Duropal tables are available in depths of 60, 80 and 120 cm.
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The second is a picture with At the same time, the continuation of the base along the bezel covering the side of the washing machine is coquettishly cropped in the picture, which is why I doubt that this is generally a real photo, and not a design visualization:

I examined the photo at maximum magnification. Not ... This is not a render. This is a real kitchen after all.
And it was done there, judging by the photo, so. The plinth on the side where the machine stands is pushed forward to the edge of the enclosures without facades. Flush with the buildings without facades, a chipboard sheet is also installed, supporting the edge of the tabletop to the side of the machine. And a false panel is attached to this chipboard sheet. Probably from the side of the machine with self-tapping screws.
In high magnification from the end, you can see the joint between the bezel and the chipboard sheet.
The machine stands presumably either with no gaps at all, or with minimal gaps.
If you count with gaps of at least 1 cm, then the depth of the structure is:
1 cm gap between the machine and the wall + 60 cm machine + 1 cm gap between the machine and the side wall + 1.6 cm side wall + approximately 2 cm false front fixed to the side wall = 65.6 cm. Rounded 66 cm.
The whole structure looks more or less normal because the side support of the countertop, the base and the fronts are of the same color, the edge of the countertop is rectangular, and the countertop is on the side where the cooking and oven stand, without taking out relative to the kitchen facades.

Well, the plinth is clear that it will end at the level of the typewriter, and with the facades - just an insert strip. on the Internet I saw a photo of such placement (under a common table), I liked it. And at least a little isolated from the main kitchen. Or like the previous post, it's even better.

So understand the fans of linear kitchens ...
We started with the statements that “in a small kitchen, a corner set is inconvenient, eats up the area and does not give anything in return,” but now it turns out that a small corner kitchen with a non-standard countertop and an increased dead corner is a good option.

and now it turns out that a small corner kitchen with a custom worktop and an increased dead corner is a good option.

Exclusively from despair! And for this case. Actually, it seems that all possible (more or less) options have already been discussed. And the choice is the business of the hostess. In any case, as many ideas have been proposed that no salon will offer

riveting on these fasteners,

HERE! And next to each, a drop will dry up, then the dust will stick ... no-no-no.I'm lazy.
I've been reading for two hours ... detective.

You need to find out what is the maximum length of the countertop you can bring into the apartment.

When they made the kitchen, even 220 at first they could not bring it, they broke it! Moreover, there was no furniture in the corridor, the stairs were wide ... At first I did not understand why they told me about some kind of joint that nothing would be visible, and then it dawned on me that this joint would be in plain sight and more dirt collect ..... Nothing, a week later brought a new one. And they brought in a whole!

And you had to hang a towel somewhere in the working area.

I hate roof rails !!!! Therefore, I have these handles at the towel and apron cabinets. Total length - 24, length of the inner part - 15, width 2, 5. And no sharp corners!

[renard]

renard, I have just a line in such a kitchen ... Because in the place of the above-shown corners there are dog bowls on a stand. in the corner under the sink (in the closet) a tabletop dishwasher. Table and sofa as in the last photo. Only the pencil case and the refrigerator are changed in places: there is a refrigerator right from the entrance, behind it is a pencil case with two drawers, two niches: in one there is a bread maker and an air fryer, and above in a niche is the desk oven of the headquarters; well, and even higher is a box with hinged doors.
The transfer of the bowls was not considered, because all the walls in the apartment are already occupied: there is a built-in wardrobe on the solid wall in the room, a large ottoman for a dog on the left wall, a sofa for our son, our sofa. Along the wall opposite there was a cage (there used to be an ottoman from another sofa), a TV on the curbstone and a children's table with chairs. And in the corridor, along the wall opposite the entrance, there is an entrance hall, on the side wall bars, behind the door is a rack for shoes / tools.
So sometimes a corner kitchen does not fit into such a footage.

[Midnight lady]

Outstripped. )))) I was just going to post about a linear kitchen.
Linear did not draw. True, they still have to put something separately at the door, and something separately in the corner where they now have a refrigerator.
In a line without an oven, you can get more or less the option that I described Midnight lady, i.e. with a free-standing washing machine at a distance of 41 cm from the sink. The hoses from the car, however, will be visible.
From the corner from left to right: a 2 cm bezel + underframe for a sink 80 with 40 facades and on one side with hinges with an opening angle of 175 degrees with a sink with a wing and a bowl not in the corner + 45 PMM + 60 table with drawers and cooking + 60 oven.
Or:
2 cm bezel + underframe for a sink 80 with 40 fronts and on one side with hinges with an opening angle of 175 degrees with a sink with a wing and a bowl not in the corner + 45 PMM + 45 table with drawers and cooking + 60 oven + 15 see bottle holder.

Only 247, in the remaining 13 cm the heating riser and the battery hang out.
The refrigerator is in the place where it was before the repair. Trash can separately, in the gap between the machine and the sink. In the version with a bottle holder, you can put the microwave in the corner near the battery on the tabletop.

Here is a vidos with a kitchen in a Khrushchev with a non-built washing machine at the entrance, only the sink is too small, and the machine is too big, so the PMM door, when opened, walks literally a centimeter from the car body. If the machine had a slightly different body, then perhaps the PMM door would have stuck into the body of the washing machine:

The same vidos without music, with a story about the kitchen (it is better to watch at high speed, the girl talks for a very long time and tediously, people wrote in the comments through one that it was impossible to listen):


From the pros - the doorway can not be changed. The refrigerator is not at the entrance, you can eventually put a large, tall and not as neat in the back as the Liebherr. Better access to the sink. Dad, size 54, is not as uncomfortable standing at the sink as if there was a refrigerator behind him. A thin mother can load PMM without any problems, when there is a small machine behind, and not a tall refrigerator, it is more convenient to spin at the sink. The trash can is separate, by itself, which is also very convenient. I have a trash can in my kitchen that stands by itself. It appeared because it was inconvenient for me to empty the garbage from the scoop into the trash can under the sink.Only I have a freestanding trash can in the opposite corner from the working area. I have nowhere to put this in the working area. And when you are cooking something, it is inconvenient to run to the far corner from the working area. Therefore, the sink also has a trash can. The container is small, I put it in the sink, then I put it on the wing of the sink during cooking.
Also, the hoses of the washing machine will definitely not have to be changed to longer ones. And loading the washing machine is more convenient.
Of the minuses - the refrigerator is not at hand, the hoses of the machine are not hidden, snot will wag on the floor. There are fewer work surfaces than in the corner version, when the washer is built-in under the countertop. I drew this option ...

There is such a corner between the machine and the kitchen that these hoses are almost invisible

When they made the kitchen, even 220 at first they could not bring it, they broke it! Moreover, there was no furniture in the corridor, the stairs were wide ... At first I did not understand why they told me about some kind of joint that nothing would be visible, and then it dawned on me that this joint would be in plain sight and more dirt collect ..... Nothing, a week later brought a new one. And they brought in a whole!

So you have a table made of artificial stone, it can be glued together in place so that the joint is really not visible.
And they have a dispute between mom and dad, which one to put. Dad wants laminated chipboard.
And they also have no certainty about the kitchen layout. Perhaps dad is right about laminated chipboard, which is cheaper than artificial stone. Che-thread will not like it, they will want to rearrange it, but, hello, you can't change everything, because the toad presses to replace the expensive table.

I hate roof rails !!!

Well, I am not so categorical, although I am not happy with them either. I have a railing, but I already wrote that I consider the railing in the kitchen to be evil, and that in my kitchen there is a minimum hanging on the railing. And temporarily I put washed pans and pans on it to drain and dry, then I put them in shelves and drawers. There would be more space, I would probably not install the rail at all.

Therefore, I have these handles at the towel and apron cabinets. Total length - 24, length of the inner part - 15, width 2, 5. And no sharp corners!

Nice pens.
I also have handles without sharp corners. A slightly different staple. like this:

I didn't even choose them when ordering the kitchen. They were included. For "feldipers" with sharp corners would have to pay extra. And we had no time to show off with handles, they took that the furniture factory supplied without additional payment.
And I didn't even think at the time of ordering this kitchen that a handle with sharp edges is traumatic crap, and that people have some kind of problems with handles in the kitchen. Then, both from the reviews of friends and from the videos on YouTube with reviews about kitchens, I realized that the furniture factory had just put very correct handles.
But I don't like hanging a towel over furniture handles.

So you have a table made of artificial stone

No, this is the cheapest version. Definitely not a stone. Although after 12 years of operation, I have no questions for her. Shines as it should

traumatic crap,

A hundred times I agree!

No, this is the cheapest version.

Well, about cheap versions from chipboard, and there was a talk, that you need to find out what the maximum size can be brought into the apartment. And then they will conceive a kitchen in a line with a solid worktop 2.6 in length, and then it turns out that 2.6 does not pass at the entrance on the first floor at the turn to the stairs and to the elevator. Or it doesn't go up the stairs, you can bring it up to the elevator, but it doesn't fit into the elevator. Entrances are of different layouts. And the elevators are different ...
If the whole does not pass, you will have to make a joint somewhere.

Definitely not a stone. Although after 12 years of operation, I have no questions for her. Shines as it should

And who is the manufacturer of such a tenacious chipboard table?
Over the course of 13 years, our little table-time-table (there is nothing more permanent than temporary) has lost its appearance, it must be changed. And bother with the replacement reluctance.
Ours was made by Soyuz-M.

Who is the manufacturer of such a tenacious chipboard table?

Who knows now. I changed the facades - they got tired and began to fade in the sun, but there are no complaints about the countertop

There is such a corner between the machine and the kitchen that these hoses are almost invisible

Without installing a machine under a table, it's not just hoses on the floor. This is another meter of a working surface with a width of about 45 cm minus. And on it you can make a drain of useful junk))))

So the machine under the table and the machine itself are very competitive options.
With a 45 built-in machine under the counter as in the photo above, the dead corner in the corner kitchen is not so big.




I found a hog under a stone in warm colors. And in the same collection there are 15x15 under the stone. I just can't figure out what the surface is on this tile. Matte, glossy or semi-matt. On renders, it seems that gloss.
As a compromise. Instead of the glossy white boar that Blackout's parents want, and the small-eyed colored Kerama Marazia, which Blackout herself looked after.
Expensive, though a tile. But the apron is not very big either.
Petra collection, Monopole factory, gishpansky 🔗
Petra Gold Brillo Bisel, 15x15

Petra Gold Brillo Bisel, 30x10

Allegedly in the interior:


Only when choosing a tile for a stone of any format is it better to look at the tiles in the gluing and check with the sellers how many tiles with different patterns are in the box. In a good imitation, there are several tiles with different stone patterns. The more patterns there are, the more imitation looks like a real stone. Italon, which I suggested paying attention to, has just such imitations of stone. With different veins, streaks, specks, specks, etc.
There are, however, insidious exceptions. When sellers swear that all the tiles in the box are different, on the gluing it seems that they are different, but in the box the tiles appear to be different, but they seem to be the same.

We once ran into an inexpensive tile under the Kerama Maratsia stone. Yes, in every box there were no tiles with exactly the same pattern. But there are actually only 5 or 6 drawings on the tiles. And they are different simply because they are slightly shifted up and down, then to the side.
To explain it more clearly, imagine that a single-color tile depicts some kind of memorable spot in the center. On another tile the same spot will be shifted to the edge, on the third tile from the edge there will be only half of the same spot.
Now imagine that there are 5 or 6 tiles with different noticeable memorable spots in a collection. And tiles with other spots are made using the same principle of image shift.
Well, we got such a Kerama Marazma. It seems that everything is different, but it seems not ...
I tampered with shaking up the boxes and choosing the tiles before laying so that the similarity of the pattern on the tiles did not catch my eye.

I got a vidos about a glossy white kitchen in a redesigned Khrushchev (again combining a kitchen with a room). You can see how a glossy white kitchen will look in combination with a white boar on an apron. Better to watch at high speed, again a lot of boring chatter.
The kitchen uses a design technique that someone wrote about here - the floor and countertop are made in approximately the same color:

Apart from traumatic handles - the bottom row is more or less ergonomic, at least the sink, stove and refrigerator are at normal distances from each other and the sink bowl is not cornered at all, as some do to "save" space, neglecting the recommendations of furniture makers, and then they spit about the corner sinks, they say, it's hard to stretch.
But a dangerous kitchen, with gas appliances and an extractor hood, shoals and chaos.

I have glass on the kitchen wall. It is beautiful, it is convenient to look after, but nothing on this wall can be hammered into any roof rails and risets.
Sockets on the table top.

Not true! I have sockets on a glass apron, a magnetic bar for knives and a hinge for scoop blades too.It's just that BEFORE installing the apron, I knew exactly where I would have it and the apron was already made with ready-made holes for screws and sockets

[Elena]

Elena, my house is wooden, shrinkage is possible (this is what happened, by the way)
Therefore, no holes were made in the glass.
And in general, in our case, it was the simplest option for installing an apron, for gluing the tiles it was necessary to fence some kind of plasterboard structure on the wall. Glass in a stone frame, technological gap from the upper tier of the cabinets.
Even in the presence of roof rails, it would be senior to me to hang a hinge. I just stuck the potholder hook.

Then it’s understandable. Now I’ll also hang glass in the kitchen and in front of the sink in the bathroom. I liked leaving

I arranged a general cleaning in the kitchen early this morning. She moved the refrigerator to clean the floor under it.
And she crawled on all fours with a sore knee, which, unfortunately, does not heal, but only gets worse, in order to clean the floor under my baseless kitchen.
At the same time, I took aim, what is the distance of 42 cm between the refrigerator and the tables in the working area.
In my opinion, this is very little. Some kind of gap, into which to crawl sideways and crawl sideways.
With a low, shallow object behind it is even more or less, with a high one - it's bad. IMHO.
Therefore. I adjusted the plan with a refrigerator at the entrance, making up the kitchen only from standard modules that all manufacturers usually have. Except for IKEA.
Well, more precisely, the sink is not quite standard. I put more false panels on the corner just in case, so that the drawers on the side of the sink open normally and so that the sink door does not stick into the refrigerator, which will crawl out behind the furniture, even if the furniture is of standard depth.

And I also took a generalized picture with options for a refrigerator standing far and separate from the working area, which I already posted in the topic:

And from it I redrawn 9 variants of the kitchen with a narrow washing machine at the entrance.
3 linear with a freestanding washer and 6 corner ones with a washer built-in under the countertop:
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And again about the tile.
It's better not to listen to Vidos at all, especially the first and the last (the second about the Finns is even more or less interesting), a few seconds of viewing is enough to check out the tiles.

Khrushcheb. Kitchen 6 sq. m. With the location of the heating riser was lucky, it does not eat up space for the installation of a corner kitchen and allows you to shove the cold in the corner by the window.
Large-format tiles, but with a small variegated pattern, and, unfortunately, seems to be voluminous.
Such a scraper for glass blockers cannot be used ...


A real Finnish home. Theirs is their own "Scandinavian style", not the fantasies of Russian and Chinese designers. Kitchen in the house of elderly people. A wonderful line-up of the kitchen, probably due to the location of the communications. But with the entrance to your Narnia. )))
Large-format stone tiles on the kitchen backsplash. Kitchen from about 10:40 am from the beginning of the video.


Khrushcheba with an unplanned kitchen 5 sq. m. Without redevelopment in any combination, it turns out hell.
Medium stone effect tiles on apron

continuing the apron theme ...
how will such a porcelain stoneware mosaic look?

apron length 2.80

this is the facade

how will it be?

won't you get bored?

won't you get bored?

floral drawing? or their color?

how will such a porcelain stoneware mosaic look?

I think it will be very big-eyed. In the pasting looked?
In what style is the furniture in the apartment and what is the planned kitchen?

floral drawing? or their color?

Generally. And so, you need to watch everything together.

[renard]

renardadded a sample of the facade above.
she looks more faded in the store.
and how to look in the pasting?

Generally. And so, you need to watch everything together.

it looks muted against the background of brown facades ...



this is a kitchen-living room, so I select materials not for kitchens, but for "living rooms"
therefore the facade is made of solid oak. an apron is also needed not associated with the kitchen ...
originally, it was planned to look like Calacatto Portugal marble, but in the artificial stone there are no options ...
that's why marbled porcelain stoneware ... and I like this mosaic so much ...

renard, added a sample facade above.

A. In my kitchen, there are similar MDF films, milling imitating just such a rectangular typesetting frame, only my facades are light matte. The color was called maple. They are on the exhibition model, in my kitchen there is a different layout and facades of different sizes:

After a discussion on this topic, it pushed me to correct small mistakes in my kitchen, which I made 13 years ago when ordering. I have been aware of them for a long time, from time to time I felt a desire to fix the jambs, but usually everything ended with the reluctance to deal with alterations.
And then, once again, I decided to buy the facades and some modules necessary for the amendments, and replace a couple of facades, because the film was gone. But the train seems to have left altogether. A living salon of a factory in Moscow is not found, and there is no such furniture on the factory's website anymore. And in other shops selling facades there are no the same, there are similar ones, but I don’t need similar ones, I need the same ... So, apparently, you will have to either hammer into small jambs, or change the facades completely. And I'm not ready to completely change everything. I will wait until they are completely killed.

and how to look in the pasting?

In Sochi, there are no stickers in tile stores? It's a pity, it would help to imagine how the tiles will look in the interior.

[renard]

renard, something like this....

this is Forbury Gardens edged 30 * 89.5

I don't know, I'm afraid of such big-eyed tiles. Plus, these are decors, not background tiles.
It will be more expensive.
But the taste and color of the markers are different.

[renard]

renard, and what impression-mood does this tile create for you?



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... and sockets on it will be "lost" ....... thoughts out loud ...



tips from the internet

originally, it was planned to look like Calacatto Portugal marble, but in the artificial stone there are no options ...

I do not understand, but where does the artificial stone?
Calacatto Portuguese is it?

Normal color ...

renard, what impression-mood does this tile create for you?

I say, I'm afraid of such big-eyed colors.

Calacatto Portuguese is a kind of marble. natural.
it cannot be used for an apron.
but the arts. the stone is not in the colors of Calacatto Portuguese.
if there was an option with arts. a stone - I would not suffer with a choice