Furniture for kitchen

Kerama Marazzi has a collection "Gamma", it has the shape of a boar, but it is semi-matt smooth, that is, it is easy to wash, and there are several colors.

What will it be, 5 whole tiles and in the corner a stub of about 9 cm?

And at the end there is a small stub of about 20 cm. Which can be hung or blocked with something.

I can't watch the video, but why are you constantly talking about stubs?))
Isn't it possible to shift the row and insert large, but trimmed tiles in the corners, which in pairs make up the length of one whole and a piece?

[Or the layout and the number of tiles should be calculated so that there are no very small undercuts in conspicuous places.]

I can't watch the video

And if you looked or at least read it carefully, then the further question would not arise.

but why are you constantly talking about stubs?))
Isn't it possible to shift the row and insert large, but trimmed tiles in the corners, which in pairs make up the length of one whole and a piece?

Can you read it again?

There are also nuances of the layout ... If you choose a rectangular or square tile, then it is advisable to choose a format so that it fits without small undercuts in the corners.
Or the layout and the number of tiles should be calculated so that there are no very small undercuts in conspicuous places.
Well, eg. format 60x60 specifically in your kitchen.
On the wall 2.6 meters, if you start from the corner of the sink with a whole tile, it turns out
4 whole pieces + 20 cm trim.
On the wall 1.62 meters it turns out:
2 whole pieces + 40 cm trim.
here you go some bald people on youtube googling that a layout in which a narrow undercut is formed in the corner is unacceptable. Like, an ugly narrow piece, you need a large one, and therefore if the undercut in the corner does not turn out to be more than 1/2 of the tile, then you need to recalculate the layout so that it turns out. And start laying not with the whole, but with the cut tiles.
In your case, according to the precepts of the bald man, it would have turned out something like this:
piece 40 cm + 3 whole tiles + piece 40 cm.
However, the issue with a small undercut could be solved and in a proletarian way it is easier
And when choosing a large format, I would still be confused so that there is no seam behind the sink and no seam behind the stove.

I counted... Nope. Seams with a "classic" layout for 60x60 tiles on a 2.6 meter long wall do not work out that way. Everything turns out beautifully with the sink bowl, but after cooking, the seam can turn out almost in the center of the cooking.
So if you are guided by the plan with a refrigerator at the entrance, then the layout for 60x60 will still turn out better than the "wretched" one, as the bald one calls it. That is, with a whole from the corner of the sink. And at the end there is a small stub of about 20 cm. Which can be hung or blocked with something.

Seams with a "classic" layout for 60x60 tiles on a 2.6 meter long wall do not work out that way. Everything turns out beautifully with the sink bowl, but after cooking, the seam can turn out almost in the center of the cooking.

that's why it is better to make an apron with small tiles. It is easier for her to maneuver. And a hog or something similar, laid with an offset - there is no problem at all

that's why it is better to make an apron with a small tile

And I'm generally at a loss why the kitchen should be laid out with tiles 60 by 60?

[Tancha]

Tancha, what's wrong? the apron is also made from a single piece of material.

the apron is also made from a single piece of material.

I will not argue about the whole, I like it. But large tiles are not. You can see the seams, I don't like it. But this is my personal opinion.

[Tancha]

Tancha, what's wrong? the apron is also made from a single piece of material.

one nuance - according to the desired size, which was specially measured and cut off.

You can see the seams, I don't like it

if you take porcelain stoneware 60x120, then most will have only one seam) or two, if the apron is angled. but in the corner there is always a seam - at least from what you can do, except, perhaps, acrylic stone

then the majority

I am from the minority, I have a 5.5 kitchen. So not an option for me. I'm only writing about myself.

My daughter's apron is made of the same material as the countertop, only thinner. Looks nice. No seams, easy to clean.

Looks nice. No seams, easy to clean.

Really like . Unfortunately, it was not my option. The furniture makers advised the tiles.

why lay the kitchen with tiles 60 to 60

Indeed, what is the stress on the seams?
Put on a glass apron (skinali) And happiness buit. Can be clearly sized. And without seams

And I'm generally at a loss why the kitchen should be laid out with tiles 60 by 60?

This is done in order to save on glass, but at the same time get an apron that is similar to glass in terms of ease of maintenance.

that's why it is better to make an apron with small tiles. It is easier for her to maneuver. And a hog or something similar, laid with an offset - there is no problem at all

Sorry, but you do not understand why there is a problem so that there is no seam behind the sink and stove. ))))
It was about ease of maintenance and the ability to "figure tiles with a scraper for glass ceramics."
Boar and small format are not about that.
And you are very wrong about the convenience of maneuvering with a wild boar. The features of the boar packing were discussed on the previous pages. Compared to flat tiles, it is more difficult for a boar to marry with rosettes. And the wild boar, laid in a run, is pruned by non-handed tilers even at the inner corners.

Put on a glass apron (skinali) And happiness buit ...

Only happiness can get along like a wing from an airplane. ))))

Kitchen-living room in a private house. It is so large that it does not fit entirely into the frame, there are still a couple of modules on the right. Corner working area. "Flying" gas cookers and ovens, and not in a niche (in a niche it is easier to mount a suspended one).
In short, pretentious, expensive, fashionable minimalism with all the troubles of the style like "different textures and colors on the same plane or on the outer corners do not join." The owners of the kitchen were going to order monochrome skins for the side of the kitchen where the top row is. But. they were charged such an amount for the skin that they decided to replace the skin with large-format tiles. The rich also cry.

Wild boar and small format are not about that

"figure a tile with a glass ceramic scraper"

What did you mean? Yes, figure as much as you want with a small tile scraper. Some completely incomprehensible nit-picking about small tiles. Large size tiles in a small space .. well, imposing other tastes.
And the boar in the kitchen is not ice .. you scrub it. Lay flat, make your life easier.




Yes, and the savings come at a greater cost, often

Some completely incomprehensible nit-picking about small tiles.

I have this small 10x10 tile on the apron for 13 years in operation. So how "wonderful" she is in leaving, I know on my own skin. And whether it is really convenient or not very convenient to figure it out with a scraper for glass ceramics, I know.
In the end, 10x10 turned out to be exactly what you joked about on the previous page - "And then we'll close it with fanerkoy." Only I do not have a fanerk, but glass cutting boards from which I peeled off the film. I close them "the most easily soiled places - behind cooking and behind the sink. Because there are many seams and little things to wash it is inconvenient.

Yes, the size of the tiles is solely a matter of taste and, as you rightly noted, savings, if you wish, to approach the expensive option with lower costs (as in my case). I have a total length of a horizontal surface in a U-shaped kitchen - 7m.The stone countertop seemed to me prohibitively expensive, so the collective farms were made from available materials, having studied the experience available in this regard.
As for the imposition: everyone shares their opinion and their experience, and time will tell what the author of the question chooses. I think all opinions are helpful.
We are all of different heights, volume, with different material capabilities and skills of our own or of masters. Let there be more choices.

What did you mean?

And I'm also talking about the wishes for the tile, which Blackout wrote about on the previous page:

That's the main requirement about the scraper! Therefore, it is flat and glossy. So many different cleaning chemicals, steam cleaner. But no, he will do it with a scraper. Once and everything is ready.

If mom likes to figure tiles with a scraper for glass ceramics, then it's easier to do with flat, glossy and large ones than with small ones and in chamfers.

Large size tiles in a small space .. well, imposing other tastes.

Actually, I didn't insist on 60x60. And even, unlike you, she did not particularly discourage him from a glossy white boar. Take a closer look at the previous pages. ))))

I have a total length of a horizontal surface in a U-shaped kitchen - 7m.

A terrible dream of an admirer of a linear. )))))

about ease of maintenance and the ability to "figure tiles with a scraper for glass ceramics

It should be cooked like in a public catering, so that everything is shitty. Well, I fried the fish, but it was splattered. I wiped everything right away until the pan was soaked. No problem. But again, I'm only talking about myself.

Here's another photo, not 60x60, but also not a small format in the kitchen with facades similar to those chosen by the Blackouts. Also the gloss of flat facades, handles recessed into the facades.
The apron is almost monochrome under the stone. The tile on the apron seems to be about 25 cm in height. Why such a height is difficult to understand, perhaps they made a mistake when choosing the format, perhaps some other reasons forced the kitchen owners to choose the height of the tile, which did not fit in the same pieces on the apron.
Height 20, it would look better, it would turn out 3 identical pieces along the apron and the same 2 horizontal seams.
Not the point, the point is that there are fewer seams, cleaning should be easier.




It looks like a 20x50 or 20x45 format:
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Again, something not big and not small, average:
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And this looks like something completely budgetary, most likely, the "Soviet" format 20x30, only "not in the Soviet way" laid, horizontally:




It's bad that Blackout has little time to choose, and at the same time, there is complete uncertainty with the arrangement of furniture in the kitchen. They would have the whole family on an excursion to building stores and tile shops. Walk around, watch, play, count different formats.

... I have a 5.5 kitchen. ...

5.5 is it length or square? )
If this is the length of the apron, then without seams it cannot be that long.

Large, long, but narrow. Stone-like, almost monochrome, colored, glossy, "warm".


And this is probably 30x60. The colors are not mine, I'm just looking for examples of how different formats look on kitchen aprons:

Large, long, but narrow. Under the stone

90x30cm

5.5 is it length or square? )
If this is the length of the apron, then without seams it cannot be that long.

Yeah. 3.2 the maximum length of the glass apron. And if you also take into account that it is not always realistic to bring glass of this length into a city apartment, then at a length of 3.2, when choosing a skin, a seam can turn out.




Another nuance of laying the wild boar. End of the layout. Also, adjusting the layout may be necessary when laying apart, if the end of the layout does not hide, for example, somewhere behind the refrigerator.





The socket in the boar. That photo from the Belarusian forum with rosettes built right into the tiles, it turns out, was still with man-made holes in the tiles.
Jewelry work ... I would not even be able to stand such cutting out for myself. Even if I had such specific tools as a renovator and a dremel.
I would simply adjust the location of the sockets so that the horizontal line of the outlet frame does not fall into the chamfer.
Nafig, nafig such excessive perfectionism and low-tech with sockets built into the tile. How can such beauty be repaired if a four-thread with an outlet happens ...

5.5 is it length or square? )

Quadrature. With refrigerator and washing machine in the kitchen. Elbows do not interfere when washing dishes, my back does not hurt, six people at the table fit (though less often already).

[Tancha]

I once had a large tile in a square 9 sq m kitchen. I liked it very much. Much more than the usual 30 * 40 standard. It was about 40 * 60, I don’t remember exactly, it was a long time ago. And light gray grout, glossy tiles with a little marble, light pink with a blue shimmering type of mother-of-pearl, but not horror-horror shiny. Here, just right, and the size, and color, and light gray grout. Best I've had.



Tancha, I have now barely 5 square meters typed. And everything fit. Both the refrigerator and the PMM, although the tabletop. And if someone comes, then three or four of us easily sit down at the table. If more people are recruited, then there is a table in the room for this case.

Another jewelry-tricky way to lay out the hog in a ragged way so that at the end of the layout only the factory edge of the tile appears.
Description here:
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The result is as follows. The tiles are staggered, and at the end of the layout, the factory edges are:

In general, in expensive collections of "wild boar" there are various magic elements, with the help of which the layout in such difficult places is facilitated. For example, square "hogs", special ceramic corners for outer corners, etc. But this is definitely not about budget options such as Kerama Marazzi.
And with budget options, the only hope is for the ingenuity and unhandiness of the tiler.

[Tancha]

Tancha, oh, Tan, I can, of course, photograph my kitchen. But I have an eternal mess on it, because I use it all the time. And then, not in place, here it is necessary to wipe. I'll post it and there will be a discussion about what an asshole I am, actually, I do not argue, I do not know how to do everything on the shelves. I will decompose everything myself, then I will rake everything myself.
And I don't have a washing machine there, no oven. I wanted to buy a detached one, I even allocated a place for it, and I have been doing it for now, I have been doing it for almost five years now. There is an airfryer, a cartoon, a small pressure cooker and a princess, that's enough for me.
And here is an oven, a washing machine, and a large sink with a wing. Well, it’s a little real.

the apron has been in operation for 13 years.

I have 20. Shall we measure ourselves? gorgeous in operation. Anything you want, even with a "skin" three. Maybe your tile is not of a quality standard?

what were you joking about on the previous page?

and I was not joking. You did so)))




In general, with a tile, you need to take a master and stipulate what he can do. And what do you need. And then you are dreaming ... but it will turn out - well, I'm not Shmogla ...

Maybe your tile is not of a quality standard?

Normal tile. Polish, I don't remember the manufacturing plant already.

Shall we measure ourselves?

Antiquity of the kitchen, tiles on the backsplash and intolerance of other opinions? So here the palm is just yours, where I am.

I have 20.

I have 13. White matte 10 by 10.
No problem, except for a little squaring.

Antiquity cuisine

I took my tiles at the exhibition from the Italians in Crocus. Then still opposite the Bagrationi bridge, on Krasnaya Presnya. I waited two months.

No problem

[OlgaGera]

OlgaGera,

Anything you want, even with a "skin" three.

Even if we assume that you have floor porcelain stoneware on your wall, then this cannot be! Sandpaper material has a higher hardness than any porcelain stoneware.

Better tell me, what kind of grout do you have? And I don’t believe in advance that your grout is as new as it was 20 years ago ...

I have glass on the kitchen wall. It is beautiful, it is convenient to look after, but you won't be able to nail any roof rails and risets on this wall.
Sockets on the table top.

[Twig]

Twig, and the roof rails on the upper cabinets?)))

I stuck a railing on one cabinet - nothing hangs there. For it is inconvenient and ugly.

Can't figure out what issue or problem is being discussed / or being clarified?
Apron material? Or what?

[Sens]

Sens, and talk?

Sens, and talk?

And show erudition?

And here is an oven, a washing machine, and a large sink with a wing. Well, it’s a little real.

And 6 seats at the table ...
Washing there is not a topic very much. We need to show their mom washing machines on the catwalks.
Maybe he will light up with the idea of ​​moving the washing machine to another place ...
Busurmanin collective farm podium under the car (it is better to watch at a very high playback speed):

[Sens]

Sens, the son will come, I will ask navaTsapit. The grout was done to match. Dyes. I ordered with the tiles
I will say even more, in the guest toilet the tiles are white-gray, the walls and floor are in the same tone. Grout to match. So she stayed that way. It gets dirty, of course, but the floor is washed, usually, and everything is clean. Now other materials. Worse. What was gone.
I know, because here, at the dacha, they made the floor. Tile. We tried to match the grout. So she, an angry dog, darkened a year later. And the floor is light

Busurmanin collective farm podium for a car

Waste and scattering of territories again!
Why make a deaf podium if you can drive a drawer under it.

I have glass on the kitchen wall. It is beautiful, it is convenient to look after, but nothing on this wall can be hammered into any rails and risets.
Sockets on the table top.

And some still manage to "nail" the sockets to the glass apron.





Some curious thing to the left of the sink in the photo. I don’t understand what. Dishwasher or something ...
I had the idea to suggest putting the washing machine to the left of the sink in the Blackouts kitchen. It is narrow, a sewer pipe could pass behind it.
But measuring the hatch of his washing machine, and estimating. how to do this at all, I decided not to propose and not draw.
There is a lot of hassle, the distance between the sink and the refrigerator may not be enough to open the car door. Again, there will certainly be lamentations "oh, oh, the sewer curve, but what about the thick, inflexible and elderly will clean it if it gets fucked up."

"nail" the sockets to the glass apron.

IMHO, a terrible sight in the photo. Pure tinted glass in a Soviet-era school toilet.

And there was also the thought of encroaching in the Blackout kitchen not only on the oven, but also on cooking.
If, according to all installation rules, the cooking cannot be embedded over the PMM and washers, and difficulties arise with the inset, then it is not forbidden to put table tiles on the tabletop above these devices ... The tiles could be placed anywhere on the table.
But since I do not know table tiles that would be better than a built-in domino, I also did not voice this option.

IMHO, a terrible sight in the photo.

Not the point, the main thing is that there are 6 sockets "nailed".



And this is to talk about "ordering a skin and finally there will be no seams." It depends on the size of the kitchen and other nuances such as the possibility of skidding the length and holes for the sockets. Maybe it won't work without a seam on skinned.





Eh ... Expensive, they probably won't. This also seems to be a skin. In any case, this is how it is named in the article, where the picture was taken from: 🔗

IMHO, a terrible sight in the photo. Pure tinted glass in a Soviet-era school toilet.

You can stick any wallpaper with a beautiful picture under the glass and there will be a completely different effect.

and here is the rail on the skin ... So, if you wish, you can "nail" it to the glass.

The glass is beautiful, but my sister's kitchen table was broken, not frail, into small crumbs. There were only cats in the kitchen. Nothing stood or lay on the table. In principle, nothing can be left there, because show cats and she does not teach them are afraid of the table. The table was not broken, it was a little scratched. It's good that it happened at night. Says it felt like an explosion. Then they carried him out all night.Very fine crumb and very heavy.



You can make holes in the glass for sockets and for a railing, but this must be done in advance, before it is fixed on the wall.

It depends on what size of the kitchen

so we consider the specific dimensions of a particular kitchen, and not in general ..
I don't like skinning, I don't like any work surface other than natural stone. I like the classics, which you can fit into. I hate gloss either on facades or on tiles. Nowhere. Even the hood of the car had to be covered with a mat varnish so as not to glare. Irritating. Therefore, I turn any glossy surface into a matte one, regardless of what method. Therefore, I can walk around the perimeter with a sandpaper, so that it does not shine.

what kind of grout do you have?

I don’t remember anymore ...

I do not believe that your grout is the same new

well .. it's up to you, but it doesn't bother me. And this is the main thing for me.

no roof rails and risets.

And drill? Immediately drilled to order, no? When manufacturing.
The sockets are on my cabinets, they can be screwed wherever you want and they are for 4-5 sockets, Legrand. They are rotary.

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Why make a blind podium if you can drive a drawer under it.

The box can cost inhumanely, like the washing machine itself.
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I was somehow interested, thought, not to put it in the bathroom under the washing machine. I found out the price of the box and calmed down. I bought a large plastic rectangular basket for rattan, put it on the washer, and since then I don't need a box.
A busurman podium collective farm almost made of shit and sticks.