Furniture for kitchen

How I like your idea with a 40cm cabinet, not with drawers, but with shelves to put the pots. Due to the fact that most of it is cooked in multicooker, there are few pots and they are stacked one into the other.

And you are well aware of the minus of the proposal that the refrigerator will strongly protrude relative to this cabinet, and between the refrigerator and the sink there is only 40 centimeters with a penny?

Sink 79x50 cm, something like this

I'm afraid this will not fit into the underframe 80. You need at least 85. And there is nowhere to take 5 cm ...
Unless the oven is narrow, and not a full-sized one to stick in. Or even throw out the oven and try to stick it somewhere else.

Or convince parents to remove the washing machine from the kitchen ... Then everything fits without problems, and the modules are normal, not miserable, standard, quite common:

Or convince your parents to remove the washer from the kitchen ...

Here I am, too, for this option. It is also expensive - if you put the washing machine under the sink.
All compact options are much more expensive than standard ones. I have a smaller refrigerator in that studio, it's in the hallway. I had to reduce the bathroom to get the refrigerator up. And I wanted to highlight the pantry. It was impossible to touch only the Ventshakh - they danced around it.

Unless the oven is narrow, and not a full-sized one to stick in. Or even throw out the oven and try to stick it somewhere else. Or convince your parents to remove the washer from the kitchen ... Then everything fits without any problems.

Or you can leave the washer, but install a mini oven on it, 35-40 liters. True, on a wide windowsill, I have a 38-liter Gemlux stove - it completely replaces a large oven and saves a lot of space.

Here I am, too, for this option. It is also expensive - if you put the washing machine under the sink.

There is a less expensive option - to put the sink on the washing machine.

There is a less expensive option - to put the sink on the washing machine.

This is exactly what I showed:

if the washer is placed under the sink.

By "expensive" I meant the purchase of a special sink and a typewriter. Compared to a freestanding machine and a conventional sink. I have a picture of my own bathroom, and not from the Internet, like yours, Raya.

There is a less expensive option - to put the sink on the washing machine.

This option is not suitable, since the height of the washing machine is 85 cm + a sink is at least 10 cm.And parents are small and will wash their faces with a step for children

[Blackout]

Blackout, the option shown in my photo is precisely with the normal height of the entire structure, because the machine is small and the sink is special - take a closer look at my photo. I'm not pulling examples from the Internet, but showing my own. With your comments about the high cost of this convenience.

I have a smaller refrigerator in that studio, it's in the hallway.

The refrigerator is 161 high and has a microwave on it. It is not very convenient, but we are already used to it, and unfortunately, they do not want to change either the location of the microwave or the refrigerator.

Refrigerator 161

I'm not talking about the height of the refrigerator, but about the depth and width. I had to fit into the specific see. I am just showing my non-standard compact options - suddenly I will come across options that are acceptable to you.

[Anna]

Anna, thank you very much. It is not so much a matter of costs, but of the fact that the kitchen is primarily for parents and their wishes are taken into account. If you start repairs from scratch .... but you have to build on what is.And just like with a refrigerator in a warm corner or closet, and with a washing machine. "I like this washing machine, I have to leave it!" and that's it

and that's it

This is understandable, older people hardly change their stereotypes, it is difficult to convince them of the correctness of the new version - we went through this))
I started from scratch. It is a pity to throw away the old, I want to adapt what is already available.




I don't like washing in the kitchen at all. You can vpendyurit it into the bathroom, and replace the bathtub with a shower cubicle or a small bathtub. But this is again a dramatic change.

The refrigerator is 161 high and has a microwave on it. It is not very convenient, but we are already used to it, and unfortunately, they do not want to change either the location of the microwave or the refrigerator.

Here, the microwave oven could easily be placed in the corner on the brackets, where there is a small pier by the window 45 cm. You can also try to define it on the windowsill.
I do not touch the length of the kitchen 15 cm because of the riser and the battery. 10 battery, 5 stock for one-on-one for installation, gaps, spacers, not so much, very close.
But the window sill can be made deeper by these 15 cm so that it can fit as much as possible. You can even try to bring the window sill and the table to the same height. But for this, most likely, you will have to change the window.

Here, the microwave oven could easily be placed in the corner on the brackets, where there is a small pier by the window 45 cm. You can also try to define it on the windowsill.

It will not work, the microwave is large 54.7x33.9x48.7 cm and heavy 25 kg (Samsung CE101KR). And because of its size, it looks like the third chamber on the refrigerator.

It is a pity to throw away the old, I want to adapt what is already available.

Gold words!

I don't like washing in the kitchen at all.

I totally agree. Maybe there is an opportunity to define it in the next room? And the refrigerator too, I would attach it outside the kitchen.

25 Kg

there are correct brackets. Search.

Quote: Anna1957 from Today at 14: 53 I don't like the washing machine in the kitchen at all. I totally agree. Maybe there is an opportunity to define it in the next room? And the refrigerator too, I would attach it outside the kitchen.

Bathroom 150x135 of this layout Shove the washing machine under the sink, which is - high. And to make a hole in the wall so that part of the car in the toilet, part in the bathroom is an option no one likes.
I am also not happy with the washing machine in the kitchen, and if the refrigerator was removed to the pantry, the project would be more interesting. And also move the table to the room and make a dining room ...
But it is only dreams. So you have to make a kitchen with minimal loss of nerves.

By "expensive" I meant the purchase of a special sink and a typewriter.

Anya, look at the pictures and find five differences! I meant buying a special sink, which is much cheaper than buying a special machine.

I have a picture of my own bathroom, and not from the Internet, like yours, Raya.

I'm not as cool as you. I just have a laundry room and no need to hide the typewriter under the sink.

Okay, another option with a washer. Cut the oven to 45 cm. And the sink and the table between the refrigerator and the sink are also slightly reduced compared to standard sizes. But not as much as the first time suggested:

Or maybe you don't have to cut the table between the refrigerator and the sink at all. Depends on the manufacturer. For some manufacturers, the depth of the cabinets is about 48-50 cm, they make specially smaller ones so that pipes or cables can be laid behind the furniture, if necessary, and also in case the walls in the kitchen are strongly curved and heaped up.

Although I am also in favor of removing the washer from the kitchen. Well, the dimensions of this kitchen are not the same to shove a washing machine into it. And without it, everything fits not so nicely and conveniently.

[OlgaGera]

OlgaGera,

25 kg there are correct brackets. Search.

The location of the microwave oven on the refrigerator suits, moving it to the windowsill and brackets is not relevant
It is necessary, with minimal loss of nerve cells, to "shove in something that is not crammed" into 6.5 square meters. m and more, so that 6 people can comfortably sit at the table
This is unreal, I understand everything.
And we also have to proceed from the fact that the kitchen area cannot be increased, nothing moves from the kitchen to other places, and some of the household appliances remain the same, because they are satisfied.

Bathroom

do your parents use the bathroom? or just wash? She just take a shower, as I understand it. Get rid of it. Buy a shower stall with a low tray and it will be easy for parents to get in / out. Free up space for the washer. It will be convenient. Or connect the bathroom with a toilet. Also an option. See the advantage. It is necessary to do it comfortably, and not to twist when attaching. Or not at all.
Sorry if it's harsh.
And how old are the parents?

"push in not crammed" by 6.5 square meters. m and more, so that 6 people can comfortably sit at the table

Well. the ceiling is not yet covered ..
Are you serious about the comfort of 6 people? or how?




You have to sacrifice something. It will not work out and it is comfortable and crammed. Choose)))

I am also not happy with the washing machine in the kitchen, and if the refrigerator was removed to the pantry, the project would be more interesting.

Can I take a look at the whole layout? Where is the storage room? Does it not touch the bathroom in any way? Can't you put a washing machine in it?

Pantry

Very valuable meters.!

Anya, look at the pictures and find five differences! I meant the purchase of a special sink, which is much cheaper than buying a special machine.

Rita, if you try to find the differences, you will see exactly what was written about: if you add the height of the sink to the height of an existing conventional machine, it will be inconvenient to use such a structure
And my version of the height of the car - a specialist under the sink, so that the height in the final version remains familiar. And you need to buy both components.

I just have a laundry room and no need to hide the typewriter under the sink.

As far as I understand, your own laundry complete with a 6.5m kitchen is not considered. And I propose a tested, live option of accommodation in a 25m apartment with all the devices I need. And the choice is up to the author of the question)

Bathroom 150x135 of this layout

Khrushchev or what? And then your kitchen is so "huge"? In Khrushchev's houses it is usually even less ... You fatten there in three rooms with a pantry.

[Blackout]

Blackout, my mom has such a bathroom layout. She threw out the sink and put the washer in its place. It was a long time ago and I didn't like it. If there is 60 cm between the wall and the bathroom, the option I proposed with a low machine under a special sink is realistic.

do your parents use the bathroom? or just wash? She just take a shower, as I understand it. Get rid of it. Buy a shower stall with a low tray and it will be easy for parents to get in / out. Free up space for the washer. It will be convenient. Or connect the bathroom with a toilet. Also an option. See the advantage. It is necessary to do it comfortably, and not to twist when attaching it. Or not at all.
Sorry if it's harsh.
And how old are the parents?
Parents use the bathroom and will not consent to shower. Completed stage. They are over sixty.
I perceive your sharpness as a healthy criticism, and this is absolutely normal. There are simply more wishes than an opportunity for this area.

For example, Mom likes the top cabinets to open upwards, but when fully opened, she doesn't reach to close. That means only the hinged wardrobes at the top.

Are you serious about the comfort of 6 people? or how?

These are the wishes, but it is impossible in such an area.

Khrushchev or what? And then your kitchen is so "huge"? In Khrushchev's houses it is usually even less ... You fatten there in three rooms with a pantry.

Not Khrushchev, house series 1605-AM, but a four-room apartment with a huge kitchen 6.5 sq. m and all load-bearing walls.
The storage room is adjacent to the bathroom and is a great place for a washing machine, but alas ...

My kitchen is even smaller. Therefore, we lived together at the beginning with my son, now with my mother. And we can sit in the kitchen comfortably three of us. Perhaps four, but less comfortable. If there are more people, then in the next room there is a book table, which with a light (no longer easy, the legs are broken, I will change it) with a movement of my hand turns into a large table where a bunch of people can sit

Although I was assured that it is impossible to put a washing machine and a dishwasher next to it.

They are standing next to me and it's okay. The only problem there is because of the table top - a considerable length is obtained without support, which is not very good, it can sag. This is exactly what happens to me. The son is still going to come up with some kind of support, but his hands do not reach.
I do not recommend a double sink. If with a wing, then it can be used as a tabletop, given that the working surface is already very small. Plus, the PMM will stand under the wing of the sink, but no longer under the additional sink.

[Anna1957]

do your parents use the bathroom? or just wash? She just take a shower, as I understand it. Get rid of it. Buy a shower stall with a low tray and it will be easy for parents to get in / out. Free up space for the washer. It will be convenient. Or connect the bathroom with a toilet. Also an option. See the advantage. It is necessary to do it comfortably, and not to twist when attaching it. Or not at all.
Sorry if it's harsh.

With such dimensions of the bathroom, the shower cabin will not save much, and global alterations will be required. Anna1957 offers a really more or less realistic option.
I have friends whose bathroom is about the same shallow. And they just have a low machine under the sink. Although, if I had my way, I would have thrown her out of the bathroom into the corridor.
Count it yourself. Bathroom 135x150. Shower tray, the smallest and poorest - 80x80. This means that after installing the pallet, about 70 cm remains on one side of it, about 55 on the other.
For example, they will put the car in a 70 cm niche. And almost nothing remains on the sink.
Will fit some small corner crap. At the same time, the machine will still not be full-sized, but will be shallow, otherwise it will be inconvenient to get out of the pallet.

Maybe I got drunk, of course, because I'm used to the fact that I have sinks in my apartments at least 75 cm wide, and 55 I already perceive as some kind of small washstand. But there, after all, 55 will hardly fit with a shower tray. 45x45 is more realistic.

[Blackout]

These are the wishes

Bring your parents back to Earth or take off your rose-colored glasses.

the upper cabinets opened up, but when fully opened, it does not reach,

I have formed one such cabinet, so I am not delighted with my basketball growth.
Blackout, then advice, do you want? Leave everything in its place, ask your parents to themselves planned... Young enough can.




renard, there are options, but they do not pass to the customer.
I had 4.50 in a three-ruble note at Kolomenskaya))) The bathroom is the same as shown. Waxing trouble. I don't want to remember sales.

I have a 5.6 kitchen. 6 people are accommodated at the table freely, the table is sliding. Of all the above, there is only a dishwasher.

the kitchen was 4.50)))

[Blackout]

Blackout, but you are not at all considering the option of replacing a large stationary oven with a more compact one, which can be installed in the second tier?

I have a 5.6 kitchen. 6 people are accommodated at the table freely, the table is sliding. Of all the above, there is only a dishwasher.

I also do not have a dishwasher, although the place for it in the new kitchen is designed (only for a small one), the washer is in the bathroom, I had to sacrifice the sink - we wash over the bathroom, but after repairs I put a small sink in the toilet (separate toilet). And yes, the kitchen is only 2.5 by 2 m, but in addition to a normal table, I also have a full-fledged sofa there, and in the old days, gatherings for 5-6 people were regularly arranged.

[Crown]

Crown, Galina, There is a great option 3 in 1 Candy trio cooker, oven, dishwasher.As gas, that and el.

get-togethers for 5-6 people were regularly arranged.

reminded a joke

The traffic cop stops the "zaporozhets", and in him eleven drunken men.
The traffic cop looked at them, took the right and said:
- Okay, guys, sleep up and come tomorrow, we'll figure it out.
In the morning, the men gathered, arrived, and he says to them:
- In short, if now all of you are eleven back in the "Zaporozhets" climb, then I will give you the right and even will not take a fine.
Guys let's climb, and this and that will try, ten easily climb, and the eleventh remains. They puffed for half an hour, and then they say to one:
- Listen, Vasya, maybe you weren't with us yesterday?
Vasya looked at them with surprise:
- Well, hey, it wasn’t, but who was playing on your harmoshka ?? !!

There is a great option 3 in 1 Candy trio

So I wrote about it and even put up my photo)

I do not recommend a double sink. If with a wing, then it can be used as a tabletop, given that the working surface is already very small. Plus, the PMM will stand under the wing of the sink, but no longer under the additional sink.

By the way, yes ... In the presence of PMM, the second bowl in the sink is not particularly needed.

There is a great option 3 in 1 Candy trio cooker, oven, dishwasher. As gas, that and el.

Oh well ... If it breaks down and has to be taken for repairs, then "goodbye" for some time to three devices at once. Better separate units. Separately cooking or tabletop, separately oven or roaster, separately PMM.

If it breaks down and has to be taken for repair

and if it doesn't break? And will it work ?. Here is an option, and no matter how it is ...

not really needed

Needed!

reminded a joke

For Zaporozhets I will not say, I saw the current outside, but I looked at the ergonomic design of the interior of trailers and small yachts from the pictures - that's where each see is taken into account!

Although I was assured that it is impossible to put a washing machine and a dishwasher next to it

If the washer is built-in, then you can.


But since your washer is not built-in, but simply installed under the countertop, it is better not to shove it into the middle of the kitchen. If we are to push it into the kitchen, then somewhere on the edge, so as not to close the hatch with the facade and the drainage plinth. And so that the machine, ajar to dry, does not interfere with the use of other equipment and furniture. It seems to me that if it is impossible to remove the car from the kitchen in any way, then in the corner by the window it will least of all interfere.

And in the place of the refrigerator at the entrance, a machine under the table can also turn out niche.

Oh well ... If it breaks down and has to be taken for repairs, then "goodbye" for some time to three devices at once. Better separate units. Separately cooking or tabletop, separately oven or roaster, separately PMM.

For 8 years of use, and then another 5 years of use after me, it never broke. And as for the better - it's better not to live in such small rooms. But you have to))

And shaking next to the washing machine is not harmful to the vinyl?

There is a built-in in the pictures, they hardly vibrate according to the promises of the manufacturers.
But I personally haven't tried it. I have built-in cars, so that with fasteners to the frame and the ability to hang the facade on the face of the car, there is no. There were and are with the possibility of installation under a table. Such ones also vibrate, so I offer it to the corner where you can leave a small gap between the machine and the furniture.

If it breaks down and has to be taken for repairs, then "goodbye" for some time to three devices at once.

Now you don't need to take anything anywhere. Craftsmen come to the house and repair everything on the spot.

Kandy Trio has been with friends for more than 10 years, until it broke. But, in my opinion, this version of the PMM is inferior in convenience to the classic narrow car. When loading, I really miss the upper basket in it.

[Manya]

Manya, I have all the options for the PMM were in use in different apartments. And I can say that any small is better than none)) Of course, big is better than small.Now I have the biggest one - 60cm. But everything, including the desktop piccolo in the last century, loved with tender love.

And I can say that any small is better than none))

Gold words!

[so that with fasteners to the frame]

I personally have not tried it. I have built-in cars, so so that with fasteners to the frame and the ability to hang the facade on the face of the car was not.

I have built-in CM stands in the kitchen next to the PMM. Neither a washing machine nor a dishwasher are attached to the furniture, only the facades are hung, and they stand alone.

Not a Khrushchev, house series 1605-AM, but a four-room apartment with a huge kitchen 6.5 sq. m and all load-bearing walls.

Che-that does not come across plans of houses from this series with fours.
Such? With "triangular" rooms?
🔗

Neither a washing machine nor a dishwasher are attached to the furniture, only the facades are hung, and they stand alone.

Thank you. About dishwashers, I know from personal experience that they are simply inserted between the modules. And if the PMM is at the end of the kitchen, then there is a problem with the support of the countertop, but furniture makers know how to solve it. But I haven’t dealt with fully built-in washers yet. I only read that built-in washers are attached to the furniture body. Well, now I will know that it is not so.

How is it that built-in PMMs are not attached? Very much even attached.
The set includes two stainless steel screws. They are screwed in from the side of the machine and fix it in the niche where the PMM is installed. Otherwise, when you open the door, the machine will "fall out", as well as when rolling out both baskets loaded with dishes.

Not a Khrushchev, house series 1605-AM, but a four-room apartment with a huge kitchen 6.5 sq. m and all load-bearing walls.
The storage room is adjacent to the bathroom and is a great place for a washing machine, but alas ...

Without a normal plan, it is impossible to understand whether it is realistic to put the washing machine or refrigerator in the pantry, as well as generally choose the most optimal line-up of furniture and appliances for the kitchen.
Trying to understand where your pantry is, I googled a plan with the dimensions of a four in the 1605-AM series and in the forum at the IVD came across a whole apartment plan, the dimensions and plan of the kitchen from which you laid out.
But there are not four at all. As I understand it, you just took a piece of the plan for another apartment from the same series of the house? And the dimensions on the plan are approximate-approximate strictly by eye? Ay-ya-yay, so the arrangement of furniture in small rooms, where every centimeter counts, is not planned.
You need to start by making your measurements and drawing your plan, then counting how and what kind of furniture and equipment are placed.

How is it that built-in PMMs are not attached? Very much even attached.

I will not argue, perhaps they do it differently. In my version, it is not fixed, it was once pulled out with me. And in my version, you can only fix it on one side ...

Otherwise, when you open the door, the machine will "fall out", as well as when rolling out both baskets loaded with dishes.

Nothing "falls out". It's strange to me ... but what about non-built PMMs?

but what about non-embedded PMMs?

it is possible to remove the top surface and there are top fasteners to fix to the table top. So my son and I have different models.