Furniture for kitchen

Okay. Since Ikea cuisine, then I think, if you don't like something, you can buy something in addition. After all, they have not removed this size range from production yet.

renard, are you talking about the bottom row?

Yes, about the bottom row. They have the same 45th facade. The 50th, if memory serves, was not there. Was the bezel added to the 45?

After all, they have not removed this size range from production yet.

they did better! they removed these facades!
but it doesn't upset me! since it is an array, it is easy for a good artisan to reproduce it.

Was the bezel added to the 45?

not. under the PM there is a curbstone 50. and a facade 50 to it.

thanks for the hint! I'll ask the furniture maker.
I hope it will not be needed, because the door from the solid wood is lighter than from chipboard or MDF.

Ask about the facade at the sink. My sister has an IKEA kitchen, solid facades, still from the old series. Underframe for sink 60 with one door. She changed the hinges on this door to more powerful ones. True, there is a trash can on the door. But the doors on the lower modules are also less than 92 cm in height.

they did better! they removed these facades!

From a bitch. How many times ...



Okay, successful assembly. And a successful search for apron tiles.

not. under the PM there is a curbstone

I remembered. So the 50th facade under the PMM was in the old series of Ikeev kitchens. And without dancing with a tambourine, he married any stranger non-Keevsky PMM 45 cm wide.
Do you have furniture from an old series, discontinued or what?

Okay, successful assembly.

Thank you!

And a successful search for apron tiles.

do not say goodbye, if anything))) we will discuss it ...

You have furniture from the old series,

most likely) was bought for a long time




by the way, we can still discuss the handles for this facade.

photo for clarity



by the way, they have 30 doors with glass. well not so bad

by the way, they have 30 doors with glass. well not so bad

The taste and color of the markers are different. Well I say, I also have a long 30 with glass.
I don't like him, I consider him my mistake. It was necessary 2 to 40 and without glass.
It would be more functional and prettier. In vain I did not listen to the aunt-manager in the furniture salon then.

30x92, frosted glass, translucent, and the facade itself reminds me of a loophole. Well, now it's what it is ...

[renard]

renard, and if you put white, opaque glass?



what do you think, if you make a mezzanine up to the ceiling?

don't know at all?

if I say that there is experience, then there is. Or is it just such an exclusive for you?

92x60 with conventional hinges, do you have any operating experience?

exactly. Two corner cabinets in the upper tier.

I have 30

Less than 40 to do the cabinet is not correct. He is neither this nor that. And without glass facades, it's boring and hard. They revive

renard, and if you put white, opaque glass?

Well, you may be able to put opaque white. And I still have a curved facade with glass 40. Curved white is not easy to find. In addition, the glass changes color when bent.
In the curved shelf, my glass is initially transparent, but due to the fact that it was bent, it approached matte in color. I was warned about this that the bent will be slightly different in color from the flat and will turn white. Therefore, glass of one color was selected for a curved shelf, and a slightly different color for shelves with flat facades. As a result, they all turned out to be whitish-matte.

what do you think, if you make a mezzanine up to the ceiling?

What for? Do you have so much rarely used junk?

Less than 40 to do the cabinet is not correct. He is neither this nor that.

I agree, it is only suitable for glasses and food containers.
A compartment for 30 was just right for the containers. But I consider the 30th facade with glass to be a big mistake.

... And without glass facades, it's boring and hard.

It is less functional with glass facades.

... They revive

Translucent objects?

Curved white is not easy to find.

Oh, come on. In Moscow, then. I broke the shower glass in the cockpit. We changed it in two days. And even the tone was picked up by blue / gray / green. Depends on lighting and angle of view.




It was the bent sidewall that broke

Translucent objects?

choose the right glass and you will be happy. And a simple matte through it you can see everything. And what's in the locker = your concern.
Glass containers look fine

I don’t want glasses. I want a deaf one .. One facade with glass on a curved shelf would be enough.

I don’t want glasses. I want deaf ..

any slippersfacades for your money can now be made

we can still discuss handles on this facade

what do we choose from?

Glass containers look fine

choose the right glass and you will be happy.

Well, why all this circus with horses, if you can just put a blank facade, with which the light kitchen does not look so hard, and you can also find a bunch of examples not hard to find "chocolate" ones with blank facades? Pick up the glass so that the flat one matches the color of the curved one, pick up containers, waste space on the shelves ...
This long 30th façade with glass was just my jamb.
Below 2 to 40, and above it was necessary to make 2 to 40. Deaf. And since the drying 80 is not needed in my case, it was necessary to make a composite body.

bright kitchen

I really do not like light kitchens. For me, the color of the kitchen is only dark, the car is only black. Light bathroom.

what do you think, if you make a mezzanine up to the ceiling?

what is the ceiling height?
I had a kitchen 2, 5 by 2.5 m and a height of 4.5 m. I always dreamed that she was lying))) In that kitchen, the upper tier was in two rows, despite the fact that there were two large mezzanines. It looked fine, because the height allowed. Yes, and the old kitchens did not have an upper tier of 92 cm. I don’t remember the makimalka any more.
But in the household there was always a staircase outside the door. Ready for the stairs? She pissed me off, and I always broke something to her. Most often a chandelier

I really do not like light kitchens. For me, the kitchen color is only dark, the car is only black. Light bathroom.

The taste and color of the markers are different. And I really don't like dark kitchens, dark furniture and dark interior doors.
I love light colors. White, beige, creme brulee, vanilla, light ash, light maple, bleached oak, caramel ash, birch, etc. I accept pine, beech more or less, everything that is darker than beech is no longer very pleasant.

Soon I will come here too, I feel that I will not be able to do without help .. So I will paint the kitchen and I have to invent it. The kitchen came out small, but I would like it to be as functional as possible

what do you think, if you make a mezzanine up to the ceiling?

I remembered the beginning of one cartoon.

I love light colors. White, beige, creme brulee, vanilla, light ash, light maple, bleached oak, caramel ash, birch, etc. I accept pine, beech more or less, everything that is darker than beech is no longer very pleasant.

I have white painted interior doors. When ordered, dark ones were in vogue, with cosmic lines and unexpected glass inserts. And I insisted - doors with panels and painted white.
The master was surprised, snorted and called them "grandfathers" ....

since it is an array, it is easy for a good artisan to reproduce it.

They will not be exactly the same. There will be similar ones.

Your facades can be on Avito. IKEA furniture can often be found there, although in Moscow and the Moscow region, I don’t know about Sochi.
For example:
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They are? IKEA Rockhammar?
In Sochi, probably, Internet flea markets are not so active, but all the same, if you look from time to time, you have a chance to catch almost the same facades.

[renard]

renard, Lixthorp.

Lixthorp

They are caught. But today it is 72 in height and in Moscow, Sochi or in the Krasnodar Territory there is no. 🔗
Today, no, tomorrow, maybe someone will decide to get rid of their Ikeevsky cuisine, and they will appear.
The flea market is not predictable.

[Aunt Besya]

Soon I will come here too, I feel that I will not be able to do without help .. So I will paint the kitchen and I have to invent it. The kitchen came out small, but I would like it to be as functional as possible

Aunt Besya, it's a little late ... First, they plan the kitchen, then they make communications for it

what do we choose from?

OlgaGera, the classics are not flashy, without pretentiousness. Brushed nickel color, can be slightly darker

Brushed nickel color, can be slightly darker

And what are the current ones not satisfied with?

And what are the current ones not satisfied with?

what are the current ones?

what are the current ones?

those in the photo of your kitchen.

brushed nickel

saw, felt. But I won't tell you as a name. Heavy.

First, they plan the kitchen, then they make communications for it

Teach me how to do it right. That is, I understand what I have written, but it does not fit in my head. To plan, you need to know the exact dimensions. To know the exact dimensions, you need to make repairs. To make repairs, you need to plan your kitchen in advance. And that's all - the circle has closed. Or, when planning, you can somehow take into account future changes during repairs?
I just dream of making repairs in the kitchen. Parents received this apartment 26 years ago. No repairs were made, since there was no money, and the house was rented out with a fine finish. But this finish looked like this: the wallpaper was glued on the bare concrete, the apron in the kitchen was just bare concrete painted with paint. And so it is still. The only thing was that the wallpaper fell off in places and we, so that dust did not fall into the food, took off, where they moved away strongly from the walls. If we get together with finances and start repairs, then in what order should we do this, taking into account the fact that we will live here in this apartment and will want to do everything as quickly as possible? Well, at least, do not delay with the period when the equipment (cooker and oven) will not be connected and will be unavailable for use.

[renard]

those in the photo of your kitchen.

renard, this is not mine, this is a photo from the network. their handles, by the way, are not bad. Imperceptible on the facade, I like

Brushed nickel color, can be slightly darker

Matte nickel, see the photo of my kitchen facades, it will be more noticeable on a dark facade. The handles proved to be successful, the coating is very tenacious, does not wear out. But on the handles of interior doors, the matte nickel coating has worn out over the years.
Mine are the same in form as these: 🔗
Only on my center distance is less. Not 128 mm, but 96 mm. I was looking for 96 mm somehow, I don’t remember why (probably due to the next splash from the series "I no longer want facades with glass, I don’t want the 30th facade"), I remember that I did not find it. Probably removed from production.

Teach me how to do it right. That is, I understand what I have written, but it does not fit in my head. To plan, you need to know the exact dimensions. To know the exact dimensions, you need to make repairs. To make repairs, you need to plan your kitchen in advance. And that's all - the circle has closed. Or, when planning, you can somehow take into account future changes during repairs?

Plan roughly at first, laying stocks for rough and fine finishing. After the draft, count to the nearest centimeter.

This is not mine, this is a photo from the network. their handles, by the way, are not bad. Imperceptible on the facade, I like

In that photo, the color may be called bronze or antique bronze.
Here's something similar: 🔗

[Anchic]

To plan, you need to know the exact dimensions. To know the exact dimensions, you need to make repairs.

Anchic, no, not so ... Knowing the size of the kitchen, you do everything for these dimensions: walls, electrics, plumbing - UNDER YOUR SIZES, AND NOT HOW IT WORKS, plaster, decoration ... As a result, you get an ideal room for YOUR kitchen. furniture.

[Anchic]

Anchic, Anna, it all depends on the budget. If you can afford it, then Sens gave the right advice. And if money is tight, then you have to look and think. You need to start with the dimensions, you can just try on the kitchen? Assume what kind of new kitchen will be corner, not corner, etc. You need to start with an electrician and a water supply.Since this is to gouge walls, make holes in them, etc., so you need to clearly imagine where the sockets will be.
I was very limited in money, so from the beginning I found a ready-made kitchen that approximately suited my needs. Fences from ready-made modules. Kitchen 5 sq. so I crawled with a tape measure, calculated and drew in the program. I have a suite Home. But you can at any. Including, you can simply draw the dimensions on the cells in the notebook, cut out the blanks to the size, in standard kitchens it is all standard. 40, 50, 60, 80, 1000 (for corner). And twirl them twirl. I played for a very long time. It is necessary to take into account the pipes for gas, water pipes, ventilation hole. When everything grew together in the lockers, I "arranged" them and began to think where I needed sockets. Where there will be a sink, where will the water supply run.



There was no kitchen yet, but it was "placed" in the same place, so we gouged the walls and made sockets, brought some to the counter. Next, you can put a tile apron. You can change the window if necessary and remove the door if you change it later. You remove old cabinets, plumbing and flooring. I just painted with paint all the walls where the kitchen furniture is located, behind it everything is simply painted, without any effort, just to keep it clean. And the ceiling is still. I did a stretch everywhere, in advance. I already had a ceiling. So, the floor is ready, the apron is ready. You can glue the rest of the walls and arrange furniture.



I do not pretend to be the ultimate truth, I write as I did at home. I saved on everything that was possible and even impossible.

Knowing the size of the kitchen, you do everything for these dimensions: walls, electrics, plumbing - FOR YOUR SIZES, AND NOT HOW IT WORKS, plaster, decoration ... As a result, you get an ideal room for YOUR kitchen. furniture.

I didn’t quite understand what you meant by “make the walls to fit the kitchen size”.
If you meant the construction of partitions for the desired size of furniture, then most likely it will not work out that way. Well, this is not a private house, and not an apartment, which is formally uninhabited, and not a new open-plan building, where there is more freedom of action.
They received the keys 26 years ago. This means that the house was built in the early 90s.
At this time, the keys could be "given" in some serial panel, where it is not always possible to move the walls and make openings in them as desired. Well, and besides, there are various prohibitions during redevelopment, which do not allow you to put partitions in an apartment with a non-free layout, as it will.
That is, you will most likely have to "dance" on the size of the kitchen room, the location of the risers, the battery and the ventilation box, and not on the desired size and arrangement of furniture.

We need to measure the kitchen. Based on these dimensions, think over the layout of furniture, laying a stock for finishing. That is, to plan roughly and not end-to-end. If nothing happens normally, then you can try to probe the question of redevelopment.
Like I drew for the Blackouts. They gave the length of the room 260. It was said that 10 cm of them are consumed by the heating pipe and the battery. Total, 250. And I considered almost all lineups not 250, but 245 long, leaving a very small margin of 5 cm for finishing 1 wall, installing furniture, gaps, spacers, etc., and indicating the dimensions of some modules, which are specific in their situation it is not very difficult to change (eg corner sink) generally approximately. I would have laid a larger supply, but there is absolutely nowhere to turn around, and the dimensions, as I understood, are from the ceiling, from another apartment from the same series of the house.

When there is a plan, where and what will stand, where to drag the water and sewer pipes (in panel houses, most often - nowhere, everyone is dancing next to the riser), where to do the sockets - to start making repairs. After the draft, count to the nearest centimeter.

I just dream of making repairs in the kitchen

Anya do it. You already have Communications laid down. And when we build, we can change something. Or dramatically))) like me. Instead of a kitchen, there was a bedroom

At this time, the keys could be "given" in some serial panel, where it is not always possible to move the walls and make openings in them as desired. Well, and besides, there are various prohibitions during redevelopment, which do not allow you to put partitions in an apartment with a non-free layout, as it will.

Straight to the bull's eye!
Yes, the house is panel. Built in the early 90s as a departmental housing. Later we were transferred to the municipal office and we were able to privatize the apartment. Especially much you will not unfold with the layout And yes, the house with gas. Thank you all, a little brains fall into place.

Instead of a kitchen, there was a bedroom

I'm afraid that this is not possible in a high-rise building.

house with gas.

My condolences. This means that there is even less freedom of action than with electricity.
Hot water, then at least not from a gas water heater?
Although, what am I asking ... 90s. Probably not already. Centralized DHW, in theory, should be.

in a high-rise building it is impossible

It is impossible But you can use the window sill, the gas can also be moved the riser, the heating riser can also be moved to the right place. Everything is solvable. But you need to agree and get permission.
But you can redo it so that it will be sweet and with existing risers.

Built in the early 90s as a departmental housing. Later we were transferred to the municipal office and we were able to privatize the apartment. You won't turn around with the layout too much

Try to figure out the series at home. It is possible to do this on the Internet. Yandex ask "find out the series at home by address."
For a series of houses, you can find a floor plan indicating which walls are bearing, which are not, and, accordingly, which ones are not scary to move and poke new openings in them, and which ones are dumb to touch. Also, according to the series of houses, you can dig up plans for coordinated redevelopments for apartments like yours. And for a series of houses on various sites for the sale and delivery of real estate, sites of repair shops, in the end, just by searching for pictures in a search engine for a query like "kitchen in a two-room apartment in the P-55 series", you can dig up photos of renovated kitchens. See how people are doing. Maybe there is a solution that never crossed your mind.

40, 50, 60, 80 ,1000

A bit wrong. 30, 40, 45, 60, 80, 100 corner rectangular underframe. This happens with all manufacturers, with rare exceptions such as IKEA. IKEA has its own sizes, for example, the angular rectangular tables they have a patient size 126 .. And before they did not have a 45 facade for PMM. There were only 50.45 appeared after changing the model and size range.
The remaining sizes (for example, 15, 20, 25, 50) are not a big problem to find, but they are less common and are not found in all or not in those options that are needed (for example, 50 may be only with a door, and 50 with drawers in no series). For example, in the Merlin kitchens there is no facade 50. But there is an exotic 33, it is placed on the corner shelves.

My condolences.

And I like gas When there is no light, you can at least drink some tea

Centralized DHW

And for a series of houses on various sites for the sale and delivery of real estate, sites of repair shops, in the end, just by searching for pictures in a search engine for a query like "kitchen in a two-room apartment in the P-55 series", you can dig up photos of renovated kitchens.

Thank you so much. Probably, we need to do this on the sly. For now, the car and the small cart We need to redeem his share from the nephew (brother died in 2013) And then save up for repairs. Now they have more or less collected for the ransom.



Found the series at home: 121-014

We have a three-ruble note on the left. But the entrance door is also located, like the one on the right, at an angle to the neighbor's. Such a moronic decision, just awful.

And I like gas When there is no light, you can at least drink some tea

And I lost the habit of him. Once, as a child, she lived in an apartment with a gas stove. But since the beginning of the 90s, she constantly lived in apartments with electric stoves. Gas on a business trip or visiting yuzal.
While the electric stoves were of the "Lysva" type, with cast-iron pancakes, the electric stove seemed worse than the gas stove.But with the advent of glass ceramics, electricity began to be liked more than gas. It does not smoke, it is not as scary as with gas in the MKD (it sometimes explodes), and the stove can be driven around the apartment as it pleases without approval, and no one climbs into the apartment to check what is connected to the stove, and problems with gas communications in the kitchen less
.

Already easier, once without a column. It is very difficult to organize a kitchen with a column, especially when the kitchen is small.

Found the series at home: 121-014

This is a bad plan for kitchen drawers, no dimensions, no indication of where the risers and ventilation boxes are.

This is a bad plan for kitchen drawers, no dimensions, no indication of where the risers and ventilation boxes are.

I can't find it yet, but I'll look for more. But our ventilation box is most likely in the partition between the kitchen and the pantry. Heating stand in the corner opposite the door.

Floor plan showing load-bearing walls.

The wall between the kitchen and the room is load-bearing. The wall between the kitchen and the pantry (?) Is not load-bearing, you can move it.

The wall between the kitchen and the pantry (?)

There is just a vent. boxes go And we have the 8th floor out of 10. By the way, in almost all our apartments they demolished a corner of a large room opposite the front door.

I climbed to look at pictures of kitchens in series 121.
And then bam it hurts right in the eyes! And how to unsee it now?

[renard]

renard, Horrible! How to live in this ?!

By the way, in almost all our apartments the corner of a large room opposite the front door was demolished.

"Architects" also encroach on this wall:
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And how to unsee it now?

what is outstanding here? ordinary kitchen. It is not convenient to wash dishes or a hundred. The back will get tired There is no support. I rest my forehead on the cabinets, immediately my back is unloaded

what is outstanding here?

Srach ...

Srach ...

did not expect such impressionability from you!
there and palm tree a living plant, icons on the shelf ... it's a creative mess, in general
but the shelf behind the sink is scary ...

Srach ...

Ohh, then you haven't seen the real s .. cha. There is nothing outstanding here.




I look at the furniture and layout. The rest I do not see

[OlgaGera]

it's a creative mess, in general

And poorly accessible niches. And 4 facades with glass, behind which you can see not some pretty dishes at all.
Just look and think if it is good, fronts with glass in the working area, whether they actually give the kitchen the expected "lightness", and whether you should try to change something in the top row of your new old kitchen.
In a small work area, glass fronts are evil. IMHO.
If the glass is transparent, srach will be visible on the shelves, because in the working area on the shelves it is more necessary not to beautifully arranged dishes and jars, but completely different objects.
If the glass is frosted, the contours will still show through.
And if how OlgaGera wrote, to pick up the "correct" glass, through which it is not visible at all, then it is meaningless, because it plays the role of a deaf facade.




if I find where to buy blind facades for my kitchen, or if I'm going to change all the facades, then I will destroy all the glass in the working area, except for the glass in the radius shelf. It's okay there, let there be one piece of glass. There I have a really pretty one. The tea service and the glasses on duty stuck.

A bit wrong. 30, 40, 45, 60, 80, 100 corner rectangular underframe. This happens with all manufacturers, with rare exceptions such as IKEA. IKEA has its own size

we are a little about different things. I wrote that I SAVED ON EVERYTHING. Therefore, I considered the cheapest furniture and, accordingly, indicated the size of its configuration. There are no cabinets for 30. There are trapezoidal corner cabinets with an angle of 80, 85 or 90 cm. It depends on the factory.
Therefore, I attributed it at the end. If you want to save money, please contact us. I believe that not everyone needs it.

In a small work area, glass fronts are evil. IMHO.

I totally agree