Furniture for kitchen

there additional walls are installed. It turns out a wardrobe for a washing machine.

I did not see this in the picture, one false panel and that's it.

I'm looking for a kitchen with a maximum height + high table for myself.

Why look for? They will do it however you want for your money. The manufacturer does not care how to cut.

I counted the kitchen without a washing machine and with a refrigerator in a warm corner.
Well .... It so-so happened.
Along the bathroom wall:
bottle-holder 15+ PMM 45 + sink 100.
Total 160.
Along the load-bearing wall:
sink 60 + table with drawers 40 + oven 60 with domino cooking + bottle holder 15 + refrigerator 60 + gap for opening the refrigerator door 10 + plasterboard box with heating pipes in thermal insulation 15
Only 260. Spacers at the corner to a minimum. Stock for finishing and any unforeseen circumstances 0.
When the cooking is cut in the center of the table with the oven between the cooking and the refrigerator, it turns out 30 cm (not enough), and about 55 cm between the cooking and the sink.
And in the corner, in the same place of the refrigerator, there is a shallow sideboard / pencil case / table + shelf.
Of the minuses - since the sink had to be deployed along the wall, where there will be no upper row, there will be difficulties with the illumination above the sink. You can't stick to any, you have to think and look.
And in general, the top row turns out to be tricky.
Bottle holders ... Small and not as useful in a small kitchen as tables with drawers.
Not all manufacturers have 15.
But without them, a simple installation of the PMM and the oven with cooking too close to the refrigerator cannot be obtained.



Blackout, what is wrong with the bathroom wall that you are afraid to hang shelves on it?
In the version that I described in the previous post, the top row would be better just on the bathroom wall. 160 is a good length for shelves, you would get two 80 cm shelves with 40 fronts.

They will do whatever you want for your money

not always and not all. And those that I need do not, or do some options. Not so simple. And it’s not relevant anymore. The kitchen stands still.

A very interesting discussion of a small kitchen! I, as the owner of the same, read avidly! There is also a washing machine in the kitchen, it's convenient for me, but the ability to put it in the pantry directly inspired me) Virgo, but what about the water hose and drain? How to stretch them and where? I manage to pull obliquely through the hallway ... Or are they taken under the floor?

I didn't mean everyone, but a lot of people now make almost any non-standard. If only there was a technical feasibility: the size of materials, the capabilities of equipment, etc. The price tag is certainly much higher, but this is justified, since the work is of a different degree of complexity, different cutting, more waste.

Blackout, you wrote that you planned to buy a hog tile for the kitchen.
What layout do you want - sprawling, like brickwork, or just in rows? Do you know the nuances of laying the pig on the inner corners?
If the hog runs out, then at the inner corner the tiler must cut the tiles at 45 degrees, he will have to set such a task for him. If it just cuts off in a straight line, then due to the bevel on the tile, the inner corner will turn out to be wavy.
On the left, a boar sawn down at 45 on the inner corner, on the right - just cut in a straight line:

Also, because of the chamfers, it is not very easy for him to marry with rosettes, more difficult than flat tiles. It is better to make holes for the socket outlets before laying, when it will be known exactly from what height the apron will go. It will be necessary to guess so that the edges of the rosettes do not fall on the bevels of the tiles. For example:

There is a flat tile "like a brick" with less problems with its laying.
I have one close relative wanted to glue a "boar" in the kitchen.When she found out about the nuances of its styling and that it would be more expensive to put the "hog", she decided to choose a flat tile.

They want a pig, but have not bought it yet
They want to run away.
I do not dissuade you from buying, but I suggest looking elsewhere. I lean towards mosaics or flat tiles with inserts. I would like a warmer option.
Thank you, I will clearly show them about styling. I didn't think about such a moment.

I also found such an interesting solution with rosettes in the "boar" from the Belarusian craftsmen:
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I read their topic a little, but from the discussion I did not understand what was in the photo. Either this is a collection of tiles with special elements for sockets, or the tiler who laid it, naturally a jeweler ...
I know how to lay tiles a little. I can cut it under 45. I can cut the holes for the sockets exactly.
I can imagine what a mega-pro you need to be to cut this. It seems to me that this is not made by hands. An element of some expensive collection.

[renard]

renard, although I already have all the repair problems behind me - I read with great pleasure

Thank you, I will clearly show them about styling.

Well, there is nothing difficult for an experienced tiler with a good tool. In general, I managed to figure out a tile under 45 with a grinder. But I am not a master, I had to do something for myself, I had to learn. And I use a grinder to cut tiles, because I don't have a professional tool.
The tiler will simply ask for a higher price for the hog. And, perhaps, he will have to move the holes for the sockets under the layout.
Imagine the top edge of the rosette frame falls on the junction of two chamfers. There will be a hole around the edge of the frame.

I lean towards mosaics or flat tiles with inserts. I would like a warmer option.

And under the mosaic, the walls need perfectly flat. The simplest solution is more or less flat tiles.

Another interesting solution

My picture is constantly "walking", the tile is convex, then "convex".

In the end, how many of that apron, sockets and linear meters of the corner are there. About nothing. You shouldn't feel sorry for money for dad and mom.
You shouldn't criticize them so much in choosing a tile, they also look at it.
It will simply be necessary for the workers to set a clear task - it’s not just anyhow, but beautiful. Internal corner with a cut for 45 and sockets so that at least along the upper horizontal edge of the frame there is no hole between the frame and the tile bevel.

And their kitchen project, which you laid out the very first, is actually more or less sane. Yes, it seems unsuccessful on first viewing. But with the task at hand, it is still impossible to cram such an amount of equipment ideally.
We haven't come up with an ideal kitchen yet. And even obtaining consent to move the refrigerator to a warm corner did not help ... And even the assumption that the washing machine would be thrown out of the kitchen did not help much either.

Good evening everyone!
I read up to so many new things I learned about countertops, drip trays, the absence of a baseboard, etc., etc.
And what kind of fashionable facades are they? Interested next to the gas oven, so as not to float.
Now the jaeger is standing. The kitchen is straight, but now I started thinking about coal (as it was not enough space for me) - and became thoughtful, since part of the kitchen still needs to be changed - so maybe the facades can be replaced.

Washing the kitchen is torture.
So I came to the kitchen, to drink tea, maybe a kin glance, and then chug-chukh-chuh-chug .. and ad infinitum ...

That one is straight ... I always had washing machines in the kitchen. They wash at night, as they do it on their own, I don't care.)) And if I wash something that requires a look, then just the opposite, I spin around and control it.

And what kind of fashionable facades are they?

So vidos was in the subject. The most fashionable ones are at the top without handles, push-on, at the bottom with handles at the end of the facade (remember, in Soviet headsets there were facades with an aluminum profile at the end, as in the photo below? Well, here's a similar design, only modernized) or with handles milled into the facade.

I read it like a novel. The result is very interesting.A small kitchen caught my eye, maybe some idea will come

The result is very interesting.

The result is also interesting to me.
Once I proposed to enlarge the windowsill and use it as a table. But no one was inspired by such an idea ...

So maybe invite a kitchen designer? Let him draw, buying and ordering is optional

Since with a refrigerator in a warm corner in the Blackouts kitchen, nothing really worthwhile comes out anyway, but something like that turns out not very much, even if you throw out the washing machine from the kitchen (you can also add something shallow for storing dishes in the corner in place of the refrigerator):

Then I suggest Blackout accept the fact that the refrigerator will either be at the entrance, or it will remain in the place where it is now.
With a fridge at the entrance, the washing machine works best at the corner by the window.
With the refrigerator where it stands now, you can try to shove the washing machine either at the end of the kitchen at the entrance (but not sideways to the wall), or in the corner by the window.

With the refrigerator where it stands now, you can try to shove the washing machine either at the end of the kitchen at the entrance, or in the corner by the window.

Why not instead of the oven, they decided to sacrifice it ?! If the machine is vpendyurit into a free corner by the window, then there will be little space for the table, and so it can be placed in a corner close to the wall and dine together, or put forward in the center and sit on all sides in a larger composition.
We pulled our table like that, when it was necessary to seat a large company, we moved the table away from the wall.

[the client is warned that the location of the washing machine under the hob is a violation of the installation, may lead to a short circuit, equipment breakdown and other negative consequences. The customer insists and assumes all risks associated with incorrect installation]

Why not instead of the oven, they decided to sacrifice it ?!

Because cooking over the washer is not recommended. And the kitchen will turn out to be above the standard. In addition, all the disadvantages of the washing machine in the middle of the working area have already been discussed, so we break our heads, how to shove it into the kitchen so that it does not shine in the middle.
And cautious furniture makers can ask the Blackouts for a receipt of approximately the following content (quote from conversations between furniture makers in their forum):
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You can do that. Indeed, it is better to put a shelf between the washing machine and the cooking hob. But in case of any problems in the future, you will be to blame (water and electricity are not allowed nearby). It is necessary to explain to the client that 1) The height of the kitchen will be higher than the standard (about 910 mm - 850 washing machine, + 38-40 TOP + 16-18 shelf) and 2) Write to the drawing "the client is warned that the location of the washing machine under the hob is a violation of the installation, may lead to a short circuit, equipment breakdown and other negative consequences. The customer insists and assumes all risks associated with incorrect installation". And the client's signature is obligatory. The sockets for the hob and the washing room must be separate !!! And there are no other options for location?

And here's another refrigerator from the forum. ru, the answer of the traders of household appliances to the question whether it is possible to put cooking over the washing machine:
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Hello!
We have consulted on this issue with technical specialists.
So, it is not recommended to install the hob over the refrigerator, PMM and washing machine.
This neighborhood is considered extremely unfavorable for devices.
Therefore, we would not recommend this installation option to you either.

[Cirre]

Wash at night

Lena, I have one thing at night, and another during the day. But every day.
I'm getting dirty))))

Once I proposed to enlarge the windowsill and use it as a table. But no one was inspired by such an idea ...

Oops, flew by. Is it late now?
Gali's idea Cirre very decent, in my opinion. I really like that.
Only the window will get dirty from the splashes, but you can think of something like a small apron

Such a thing with a refrigerator in a warm corner came up with.
I forgot, however, to draw a bezel on the side of the oven.


Also not ideal. Cooking close to the kitchen entrance and the edge of the counter. Between the dishwasher and the refrigerator there is a table 30 cm wide. They are uncomfortable; a pull-out basket should be placed in it in an amicable way. 🔗

[renard]

renard,

however, draw the bezel on the side of the oven

no, a lot of space is lost on the sink. In the corner you need to make Narnia's closet, there uh .. you can live and store a lot

All this I mean is that dancing with a tambourine around the refrigerator in a warm corner of this kitchen does not save the situation. It still doesn't work out very well. Even if you throw the washer into the closet.
So either the refrigerator remains at the entrance, as Blackout's parents demanded, or the refrigerator is separate from the kitchen, in the corner where it stood before the renovation.
The entrance has already been rubbed 100 times. If you need a kitchen with boxes for small things in the work area, then the work area is more or less normal without an oven:

You can try to shove the oven in the version of the refrigerator at the entrance into the corner marked with a red daw.

In the corner you need to make Narnia's closet, there uh .. you can live and store a lot

So depict. ))))

So depict. ))))

no way))) even under torture. I can't draw, at all

And this is in general terms, what are the approximate options that can turn out if you leave the refrigerator in the place where it stood before the repair:

The standard underframe for sink 100 with front 40 can be sawn off from the end where it adjoins the corner.
And the modules adjacent to it by an angle should be reduced in depth. Even with a decrease in these modules, you can make the sink door not 40, but 45.
More than 80 cm, I do not recommend cutting the underframe under the sink. Do not go further, you will get a sink bowl too close to the corner. Yes, and dad's dream in an underframe less than 80 cm may not fit.
Depending on how much you cut, you can get either an oven or a washing machine at the door.
For example, if you do not cut the underframe of the sink and the case of the modules at all, the oven can fit. If, due to the doorway, the table adjoining the corner to the sink is slightly increased, then you can even try to raise the oven higher.
If you prefer the washer at the entrance, then you can try to adjust the depth of the countertop and the module between the washer and the sink so that the washer does not sink under the control panel under the countertop.
Well, the more you shred the sink, the more space remains for the module under the cooking, as well as the better access to the sink, it is more convenient to reach into the upper shelf in the corner, as well as more space for unfolding the dining table.



And here's another half-oval side table was found:
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It is 10 cm wider and 10 cm longer than in my drawings. With your small footprint, 10 cm can be critical. It is best to aim at the place when the kitchen is already standing, which table fits.



A typewriter under the counter at the end in someone's kitchen:

A table under a typewriter in someone's bathroom:

And if you swap the places, then some of them get a lot (the machine in the photo below ran into the sink door):

Washer in someone else's bathroom in the corner by the battery, I hope your battery is not quite in the corner, but under the window:

Video. An aesthetic collective farmer put a non-recessed washing machine into the table, blocked access to the filter at the bottom of the machine with a plinth, got problems with the powder container, and now gumbles on the Internet how to allegedly "correctly install the machine in the kitchen" and "modify with a file" the washing machine bowl: from her "unnecessary parts":

Video. A nuance about connecting the washing machine to the sewer. The washer connected to the sink, for some reason, makes the sounds of Basekerville swamps when draining:

A good architect will probably grow out of a guy in the last video. At the end of the video, he says that he specifically rents apartments of different layouts in order to live in them and feel all their features on his own skin.

So either the refrigerator remains at the entrance, as Blackout's parents demanded,

You can try to shove the oven in the version of the refrigerator at the entrance into the corner marked with a red daw.

It looks like this is the best option. Raise it to a convenient height, and make boxes under it

It is inconvenient to use it in that corner and there will be fewer seats. But at least it will be ... It can be raised a little higher, not to the level of the kitchen countertop, just a larger drawer under it.And the microwave could be put on the oven.

But you can try to do the same if the refrigerator is left in the same place, standing separately from the kitchen. Change refrigeration and oven in some places.

And due to the fact that a module of non-standard depth is obtained sideways to the sink, and no equipment is installed on this side anymore, this module does not have to take out the countertop relative to the facades and avoid the problem of a protruding corner of the countertop at the junction of the oven and this module.
The last photo clearly shows this sticking out of the counter next to the raised oven. And the photo with the blue kitchen also clearly shows what kind of porn at the junction of the oven raised not to the level of the countertop and the rest of the modules is obtained.
I am not ready to advise in a fashionable way to remove the removal of the countertop in general throughout the entire working area of ​​the kitchen. I'm not sure that high fashion kitchen solutions are suitable for such a small room.
And older people may not accept this.
But in the "extension" on the side of the sink, it is just possible to make a table in a fashionable way without taking out. If you put an oven or a washing machine next to it, the removal of the countertop only interferes.

And I have a question. Why isn't anyone considering a corner sink? It seems to me that this is better than directly in the presented options.

Why isn't anyone considering a corner sink?

Because with her, everything else fits even worse.
That the underframe "Pentagon", that the corner L-shaped underframe is not always suitable for small kitchens, because it eats about 90 cm from both sides of the corner.
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And here's another, in addition, what happens to the spine when the 60th sink in a linear kitchen is shoved into a corner: Another article by furniture makers about corner sinks:
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Photos from the article. The man works in the kitchen not in the corner:

Photos "Hello, scoliosis!", Work at a small sink installed in the corner:

Moreover, in the first photo, the "passage module" is clearly an option for a left-hander, but this nuance is not specified.))

Moreover, in the first photo, the "passage module" is clearly an option for a left-hander, but this nuance is not specified.))

For the right-handed person. Right hand mixer. I have just such a mixer arrangement, and I am right-handed. I'm comfortable.
I was uncomfortable at first in another. Since I don't have a PMM in this kitchen, I wash the dishes by hand and dry them either on a railing (pots, pans, ladles), or on a tabletop dryer, and after the dishes have dried, I scatter them on tables and shelves.
Such is the dryer:

It stands to my left of the sink. Does not fit on the right. On the right is a sink fender and in the corner a railing shelf for boards. Until the board shelf appeared, the dryer was on the right.
And I felt comfortable. And with the advent of the board shelf, the dryer had to be rearranged.
It must have been a week that the dryer is not under the right hand. Now I don't notice.
But when I hang the washed mugs on it (a hinge on the dryer on the right), water drips from them directly into the sink.

And you probably have a mixer on the sink on the left. You are used to it and it seems to you that the sink with a mixer on the right is not right for the right hand. But in fact, it does not matter. The habit breaks down in a week. And then it already begins to seem that the mixer on the other hand is inconvenient.

"Photo 11" is just some kind of manipulation! It is absolutely not necessary to stand against the wall itself, since the size of the sink allows it, and the taps are now made with a long nose that turns to any corner of the sink.
The "corner module" looks great, the sink "with a wing" will fit perfectly there, as the daddy of the vehicle asks, and there is a lot of space behind the sink, you can install or hang a corner shelf on the wall, and below, under the sink, you can hide a whole horse with a team ...
In my opinion, a chronic inhabitant of small kitchens, this is the most optimal for a corner kitchen with a limited area.
In my kitchen, this is unrealistic, I have everything in one row: refrigerator-countertop-sink-countertop-hob-rest of the countertop, and everything about everything is standard 2 m + a few cm, won from thick layers of plaster, for some reason sprinkled on the walls by builders, as well as due to the cut protruding edge of the window sill. And I also plan, during a major overhaul, to replace the thick brick wall between the kitchen and the bathroom with a thinner one, made of modern materials, and thereby win back a little more living space.

Where will you end up ordering furniture? Why not call the measurer from there? Maybe on the spot something will prompt a sensible one? For me, the top shelf was increased by 5 cm. Although I also twisted the twist with ready-made modules. I had to hide the old gas horns - but according to the online constructor, I had to cut two shelves. (

In. The comrade was very confused about how to place the mixers on the sink: 🔗
I drew several options and asked the masters what was best for the right-hander.
And someone told him there that for a right-hander you need to mirror this option:

That is, a small drinking one on the left, a large worker on the right.
I am not claiming that the respondent is 100% correct. It's just that the discussion shows that which location of the mixer is more convenient depends on the habits of a particular person, and not on whether he is right-handed or left-handed.
A bunch of right-handers use sinks with a mixer on the right, and probably not many of them bother, but on the "right" side is the mixer.

And to put false was not an option, it is a pity for the place.

For the right-handed person. Right hand mixer.

What do I care about the mixer, if the conversation seemed to be about the location of the module with the sink?)) Can you imagine at what angle you need to turn your right hand in order to get it through a not very wide door into the far (right, by the way) corners?))
That's right, if you are not Houdini, then climb deep with your left hand so that your elbow and shoulder feel comfortable.

I am not claiming that the respondent is 100% correct. It's just that the discussion shows that which location of the mixer is more convenient depends on the habits of a particular person, and not on whether he is right-handed or left-handed.

Of course, the respondent is absolutely right! We place the most frequently used objects under the leading hand so as not to waste energy on unnecessary stretching of the hand. And when using a shallow tap from the non-working side, the hand freely passes under the large one, without touching it in any way, whereas when a small tap is located "at hand", we risk clinging to it with dishes or large objects. It's even strange for me to say such obvious things.

In general, it is more convenient for me to have a mixer in the center, it is a little easier to adjust the water when it is symmetrical. Although in one sink the gander is located on the left in the far corner, this is not ergonomic for the hand, but it is partly saved by the fact that the working area where I place the washed one is also on the left. And the sink is also shallow, but square, it was not drilled in the center. (((

You have so many interesting and useful things here that I decided to ask. I have an idea to put a dishwasher in the future, but I'm already thinking about a kitchen plan. Please tell me, for a right-handed person, on which side of the sink is it better to place the dishwasher for more convenient use? Something seems to me that on the right side, but in the photo there are a lot of options with a dishwasher on the left side? Or is it as you get used to it at first and it will be convenient?

What do I care about the mixer, if the conversation seemed to be about the location of the module with the sink?)) Can you imagine at what angle you need to turn your right hand in order to get it through a not very wide door into the far (right, by the way) corners?))
That's right, if you are not Houdini, then climb deep with your left hand so that your elbow and shoulder feel comfortable.

Oh, what are you talking about. Well, after all, there are pipes, water locks, and little used junk can be unloaded into a poorly accessible corner. I have a "corner walk-through underframe" just like in that picture. There, in the corner, a sewer pipe sticks out, which goes into the riser to the sanitary closet, a plastic bucket that I use once every five years, and a plastic box with plumbing tools - wrenches and adjustable wrenches, fum tape, flax, unipack. It is also not often retrieved.
And people in this corner, it happens, shove a tank of a water purification filter, then there is very little space left under the sink.
For example. Obviously not a shallow sink, there is 80 centimeters in the underframe Not a corner kitchen, full access to the sink. There are filters under the sink. There is not so much room left.


Or here's a sink, this one seems to be less than 80. There's a ball of pipes in the corner.


And if dad asks for another disposer, then there won't be a garbage can there.

I run the risk of being bombarded with tomatoes, but still ... When I look at the sink in the corner with a corner cabinet, I am overwhelmed with sadness, why do people bully themselves like that ?? The closet below is lost, if you need to get to the communications, then a full or inflexible person (and even more so an elderly person) will simply curse everything in the world. But what if you don't make the kitchen corner? Place everything on one wall, and the refrigerator is near the door, between the refrigerator and the sink is the distance where you can stand and calmly use that very coveted sink. Downstairs, the closet will be easily accessible. Further below: PPM, which cabinet will fit in and a washing machine. And put the oven (small or standard) in the column in the place where the refrigerator used to be. In the column below there is a cabinet, then an oven, then a microwave (this is all better than somewhere under the ceiling on the refrigerator).

Or is it as you get used to it at first and it will be convenient?

It is not excluded. )) Man is such a little animal that he gets used to everything. But in my humble opinion, the principle of organizing space is similar.

Now stand at the sink, remove the plate from it and turn in both directions alternately, pretending that you want to install it in the basket guides. Well, for more reliability, substitute a stool, let it be a dishwasher basket. )) 70 versus 30, which, without having a fixed habit, will be more convenient to turn to the left with a tilt and a vertical plate in your hand. But with pots it is easier, there we often shove standing from the end, this is the lower basket and bend down lower. However, the plates can also be laid out from the end, then all these considerations do not have much significance. ))

between the refrigerator and the sink is the distance where you can stand and calmly use that very coveted sink.

In the 42 cm gap between the sink and the refrigerator, can you stand and use the sink?

The closet below is lost, if you need to get to the communications, then a full or inflexible person (and even more so an elderly person) will simply curse everything in the world.

And how can you put this thick, inflexible, old one into the 42 cm gap between the sink and the refrigerator?

[renard]

renard, I have 41cm, though not a refrigerator behind my back, but a washing machine, and then a refrigerator. But for 20 years now I have not seen any difficulties. And the pipes were changed, and the cabinet for the sink was changed without moving the washer.

And how can you put this thick, inflexible, old one into the 42 cm gap between the sink and the refrigerator?

It's very simple: make a hinge on the second door so that it opens 180 degrees! But this is only a couple of years like this, and before we climbed with a regular loop, but thin and flexible))

Oh, what are you talking about. Well, after all, there are pipes, water locks, and little used junk can be unloaded into a poorly accessible corner.

Uh-huh. Because it is very difficult to climb after it, it becomes very, very little used. (((And cleaning the drain at the sink turns into another quest. in the pictures under the sinks, it would not be.))))

And I want to adapt the disappearing cubic millimeters to the case! In any case, I would not have such empty spaces as in the pictures under the sinks.))))

Agree!
So wasting space is just an unaffordable luxury!

By the way, even my drain is much more compact, a siphon or whatever it is called, and it is smaller, and does not hang so low.

And how can you put this thick, inflexible, old one into the 42 cm gap between the sink and the refrigerator?

Invite a specially trained person with suitable dimensions.
In the sense for the repair of plumbing.

Invite a specially trained person with suitable dimensions.
In the sense for the repair of plumbing.

Hiring a plumber for the fat, old and inflexible when he needs access to plumbing and sewerage is the right thing to do.
The only question was how to put it in the 42 cm gap between the sink and the refrigerator, so that he would do something at the sink. Fruit for myself, for example, washed.

renard, I have 41cm, though not a refrigerator behind my back, but a washing machine, and then a refrigerator.

So a refrigerator and a washing machine are two big differences ... Washer in height is somewhere up to the 5th point. And the refrigerator is higher. Hinders to work with hands ...

It's very simple: make a hinge on the second door so that it opens 180 degrees! But this is only a couple of years like this, and before we climbed with a regular loop, but thin and flexible))

What an interesting train of thought you have. Such an argument that, in fact, in a linear kitchen with an 80th sink there will be trash with access to the sink, if there is a refrigerator in front of the sink at a distance of 41 cm, it never crossed my mind ...

I run the risk of being bombarded with tomatoes, but still ... When I look at the sink in the corner with a corner cabinet, I am overwhelmed with sadness, why do people bully themselves like that ?? The closet below is lost, if you need to get to the communications, then a full or inflexible person (and even more so an elderly person) will simply curse everything in the world.

Are you specifically talking about the Blackout kitchen case, or about small corner kitchens in general?

[renard]

renard, and direct access to the corner cabinet is very easy ... I have pots under the sink, that is, a removable shelf is made in the middle and there are pots in two tiers, and somehow there is no problem getting them. And access to communications is not needed all the time and is much easier than in a corner cabinet for sure. As for the work of the hands and the refrigerator ... I don't really know. I don’t touch the washing machine at all, when the dishes are washed, it’s unlikely that the refrigerator would interfere with me. And in the case of some kind of pipe repair, it is easy to move it back.

Are you specifically talking about the Blackout kitchen case, or about small corner kitchens in general?

Now I'm talking about the Blackout kitchen, yes. But a sink in the corner in a corner cabinet seems to me a horror in any kitchen.

Uh-huh. Because it is very difficult to climb after it, it becomes very, very little used. (((And cleaning the drain at the sink turns into another quest.

We normally clean the siphon from the sink in our corner kitchen. The quest begins when the pipe is overgrown, which goes into the riser. The toad crushes me to spend money on bacteria to clean the sewers. Alkaline "liquid plumbers" are effective when cleaning stainless steel dishes, but for some reason they are not very effective when cleaning sewers.
Therefore, we clean by the method: disassemble all the sewer line to the sink, collect back all the sewer line to the sink. Pipes are available.
Thank God, the sewer line is the simplest. A straight piece of pipe leaves the sink into the sanitary cabinet and is inserted into the outlet on the riser. Well, that is, you can stupidly rip out the sewer pipe from the sink, go, rinse it in the bathroom, then plug it back in and connect the sink siphon to it.

But what if you don't make the kitchen corner?

so I think that in a small kitchen, a corner set is inconvenient, eats up the area and does not give anything in return

In the 42 cm gap between the sink and the refrigerator, can you stand and use the sink?

YES!!! Unless, of course, the user is the 60th size I have 39cm between the refrigerator and the sink, which is absolutely comfortable and I don't even rest against the refrigerator. And the second door - yes, with an opening angle of 175 degrees