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kolobashka
Girls, help with advice.
There is a small space behind the sink and spray from the tap drips from the rail onto it. It is not convenient to wipe it off. What can be inserted there? Just change the sink at least. (((
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The photo lay sideways. Tilt your head to the left.)))
M @ rtochka
I'll also listen and sit)
The same situation. There is a dishwashing detergent, and it is also inconvenient to wipe (

I thought about cutting out a strip of rug on which the dishes are dried. But underneath it will still collect dirt
kseniya D
What will change if you change the sink? All the same, the strip of the countertop will remain. I had an Ikeevskaya basket with a tray on my rail (there are no such ones anymore ((() and there were detergents on it, everything dripped onto the tray. And everything else, before I always hang dry or wipe it off with a towel). But I had a light background, so they were not particularly visible. On anthracite, probably, every drop is noticeable (?
kolobashka
Well, up to the wall that would be straight.))) Or such do not happen?
Ilmirushka
I didn’t come up with anything, I just fold a non-woven napkin (disposable towels in rolls) into a thin strip and put it there, and on this strip I put the washed cutting boards. And the boards dry, and you do not need to look for additional space for them, and the napkin collects all the moisture. I change napkins as needed.
kseniya D
Well, what would be up to the wall and the mortise is unlikely. Invoice only. Under them and the pedestals are a little different.
Mirabel
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you can come to me. And the exact dimensions of the walls can be found
Yes! go to "you"
from the sink to the wall 60 cm, and then turn and 2.5m. A little at all, in principle
kseniya D
Is the sink also 60?
Mirabel
the depth of the sink is probably 60, and the length of the entire cabinet with the sink is more, probably 1 meter
Mirabel
Examined the issue with the corner door.
Unfortunately, not our option .. we have very little space to the wall ... we need to come up with something else ...
Kalyusya
I thought, I thought, where to shove. I came up with it.

When I didn't find a sink of the right size and decided to show my imagination

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Svetlenki
Please tell me if anyone uses a trash can scent / odor absorber? I bought myself a Brabantia touch at a ridiculous price and am in the throes of choosing "accessories".
OlgaGera
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odor absorber for the trash can?
Light, and it is relevant specifically for tanks, probably.
I have never used it. Moved to small buckets / packages.
Svetlenki
Quote: OlgaGera
it is relevant specifically for tanks, probably.

Well, yes, yours is true. Maybe for a 30 liter bin and fine without it. Okay, let's see during operation.
OlgaGera
Quote: Svetlenki
for a 30 liter bin and fine without it
you don't accumulate trash. And you endure it every day. Of course it's okay. It is not necessary to save up with a lot)))
Mirabel
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And you endure every day
and if it is taken 2 times a week. then you have to save up Cultural Europe
OlgaGera
Quote: Mirabel
and if it is taken 2 times a week. then you have to save
Then that flavoring will do the trick.
Mirabel
Quote: OlgaGera
that flavor will do.

Sveta, give me a link to this flavoring.

renard
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We will order several kitchen cabinets with slave-stu in Ikea.
And what, in Belgium besides IKEA there are no furniture factories where you can buy inexpensive furniture?
I don't know how in Europe, but in Russia the quality and range of IKEA has fallen dramatically.
And in relation to their buyers of kitchens who use PMM, IKEA marketers generally made a marketing meanness. 4.5 years ago, they replaced Factum kitchens with Method kitchens with a different size range.And the new size range was made in such a way that without dancing with a tambourine, non-Keev PMMs no longer get into Ikeev's cuisine.
The problem is beautifully solved with the help of a slicer from PMM IKEA. But these nasty people don't sell slicers separately.
And as a result, a Russian buyer cannot put a dishwasher of another firm in the IKEA kitchen without disfiguring the facade of his new kitchen: 🔗
Perhaps in Europe they are not so disgraceful, but I would advise, just in case, to first inquire about the pitfalls of buying an IKEA kitchen, then decide whether to buy a kitchen there.
With ikea, there may be other surprises in store for you. For example, the depth of tables under the countertop is more than 60 cm and fiercely expensive bezels and bezels.




Quote: Ilmirushka
I change napkins as needed.
and if you hang just such a thing, then the napkins will not have to be changed.
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This is a cutting board shelf. I have one hanging in the corner by the sink.
Under it is also a soap dish and a container with different sponges.
In the network building stores such as Merlena, Obi, Kastarama, there were none and there are none. There, the shelves for the boards are less spacious. I bought it with self-delivery in the online store. Long. Now, perhaps, there are no such things in online stores either (the shelf, it seems, is Polish, but with imports from Poland, things in Russia have long been bad). But the Chinese certainly had to copy something similar, produce and sell to Russian comrades.
kseniya D
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replaced Factum kitchens with Method kitchens with a different size range. And the new size range was made in such a way that without dancing with a tambourine, non-Keev PMMs in Ikeev's cuisine no longer stand up.
The problem is beautifully solved with the help of a slicer from PMM IKEA.
I disagree. We put the kitchen last October. The dishwasher had its own. She got up easily. The slicer was included, since it was agreed in advance that the dishwasher would not be theirs.
And the fact that the depth of the cabinets is greater was the key point for me. I lived for 5 years with the Factum kitchen, and then for a year (while the construction was underway) I lived in an apartment with a standard kitchen to order. So, I really missed the depth of the countertop (it would seem 5 cm, but the difference is palpable) and the full extension of the drawers, I'm not talking about the depth of the drawers, and, accordingly, the spaciousness. Therefore, I definitely knew that the kitchen would be Ikeevskaya. And how many salons I walked around and not to count! As a result, even in terms of cost, it turned out to be the most budgetary, although many consider them expensive.
renard
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and full extension of drawers
This depends on the extension mechanism, and not on the depth of the case.

Quote: kseniya D
with standard kitchen to order
There are no "standard kitchens to order". Each mass market has a slightly different size range.
But here is the case under the countertop of a non-standard depth of 63.5 cm - this is only for Ikea. Nothing personal and super-constructively thought out on the part of sellers, just the same moronic marketing so that you buy a tabletop from them, and not somewhere else. And if, nevertheless, the buyer does not want an ikeevsky countertop, so that he has more hemorrhoids with the installation of a non-standard.





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I disagree. We put the kitchen last October. The dishwasher had its own. She got up easily. The slicer was included, since it was agreed in advance that the dishwasher would not be theirs
This means that you were aware that if you do not get a slicer, then there may be problems with installing someone else's PMM.
In fact, you confirm a possible problem with the installation of the PMM, but say "I disagree."
As for the fact that the IKEA slicer could have sold together with the kitchen last fall, I'm surprised. They didn't sell it before, my sister, who likes Ikea kitchens, and who, before buying, was also aware of the problem with other people's dishwashers in Ikea Method kitchens, because of this I had to buy Ikea PMM.
Apparently, the crisis of the ikeevites has made it clear that they began to sell their "super-exclusive" slicers to the PMM separately from the PMM, the traders had to make adjustments to their marketing policy.
Gingi
Quote: renard
This means that you were aware that if you do not get a slicer, then there may be problems with installing someone else's PMM.
The Ikea slider has been selling separately for a long time. But it is quite possible to do without this slider. For a long time, they figured out how to solve the "problem" of a non-ikey dishwasher, if you don't want to buy a slider. Bosch owners are mostly affected. Lower the dishwasher as much as possible and slightly raise the tabletop - everything rises normally. We also have as a bonus a small niche above the dishwasher - you can store various things.
And it is difficult to compete with Ikevskaya cuisine. The quality is good, you can get it right away. If you get bored over time, you can simply replace the facades = new kitchen. Warranty for facades 10 years. There have been cases when people have the entire kitchen replaced under warranty.
When they started repairs in the kitchen, I calculated the same version of the kitchen in different salons - the kitchen from Ikea turned out to be the cheapest, the difference was several times. Yes, I lost 5 cm due to the impossibility of making it clearly in size, but I saved more than 100 thousand. This is when compared with the most budget option (film facades) to order. And if you take with painted facades (as I bought), then the difference is more than 200 thousand. And this is for my 7 meter kitchen.
Of course, I wanted to make the kitchen exactly in size, but after reading reviews on kitchen firms (long known on the market), on people's problems with quality, long wait (some especially lucky ones could not get a kitchen for six months), we decided not to risk it. Now we are finishing the repairs, the kitchen is lying in boxes and waiting in the wings. Coronovirus slowed down repairs, now we are catching up. Ikea also gave a voucher for 10% of the cost of the kitchen. As a result, I bought a better oven.




And the problems with the countertop are also more far-fetched. Yes, standard ones for 60 do not fit, but now you can order them according to their sizes from different materials. It will not turn out much more expensive.
In my case, a worktop that was wider than the standard was immediately planned. I thought for a long time what to make of - I wanted an under-table sink I really wanted to be made of quartz agglomerate, but it turned out very expensive. As a result, we decided to save a little and put a granite one.
kseniya D
Quote: renard
This depends on the extension mechanism, and not on the depth of the case.
That's right, just not all salons can offer this, and Ikea does not even need to think about it.
As for the depth of the countertop, I repeat, for me this was one of the main conditions and the choice of their countertops suited me perfectly.
And yes, a huge plus is the timing. 4 days after payment, the kitchen was installed.
renard
Quote: Gingi
If you get bored over time, you can simply replace the facades = new kitchen.
The owners of Faktum, discontinued in 2015, will not agree with you.




Quote: Kolobashka
There is a small space behind the sink and spray from the tap drips from the rail onto it. It is not convenient to wipe it off. What can be inserted there? Just change the sink at least. (((
A glass cutting board can be inserted there. If it seems that the drawing on the board does not fit into the kitchen, then the film with the drawing on the back of the board can be peeled off (boiling water to help, pour boiling water over the film and it peels off easily, then the glue remains to be cleaned, this can be done with a blade or a scraper for glass ceramics under a stream of very hot water quickly). The transparent board is not very striking. Well, and behind the sink, it looks quite natural, like you just washed it and put it to dry. Nobody forces you to tell that in fact she is there because the wall is reluctant to wash.
I have a 30x40 board between the sink and the wall behind the mixer all the time:
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True, there is no roof rail above my sink. There is a long illumination above it, it does not flow from it. But from the sink and from the mixer, water still gets between the baseboard of the countertop and the sink. And it splashes on the wall behind the mixer. And I am very lazy, and I do not like to wash the wall again. Whether it's a glass board ... It's easier with it.
Likewise, you can make your life easier with cleaning if you get a couple more boards that you put between the wall and the hob while cooking something sizzling and splashing.
30x40 is the maximum size of a glass cutting board that can be bought in Russian stores on a budget.

In nature, there are cutting glass boards and larger. Sets - "diptychs" of two boards 30x60, designed to protect glass ceramic hobs, single boards 50x60, as well as "triptychs" 2 x 30x60 + 1 x 50x60.
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However, in Russia on sale in stores it is more difficult to find them, the choice of pictures is less, and the price tag is not humane compared to 30x40. If you feel sorry for money for such nonsense, then it is easier to buy without bothering with a picture the cheapest, perhaps even a 30x40 bush board, and turn it into a transparent one.
If, on the contrary, you like to spend money on all kinds of kitchen nonsense, then in the bourgeoisie, in particular, in Poland and Germany, you can order an interesting "triptych" thread on the Internet or through catalogs like "Otto". They have these multi-colored pieces of glass - like a fool's candy wrappers. )))
🔗

And you can also try in a glass workshop to order a custom-made skin, but not mount it on the wall (it will also be expensive), or ordinary impact-resistant glass with safe edge processing, like on glass cutting boards (this will most likely come out cheaper).
lira3003
I honestly admit I'm lazy! When planning the kitchen I chose an apron, a countertop and a table "golden marble". For two years, I can wipe my apron a couple of times. And so that the splashes did not spoil the view, I pasted a film with Ali on the apron behind the hob, like on a phone. I washed it once. Then I will order more and change.
But I don’t know about the sink, I have rails, but I don’t hang wet on them. The sink is big, the mixer is on a flexible hose. Thank you very much Svetlana Stafa, it is very convenient and nothing goes over the sink
Svetlenki
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flexible hose mixer

lira3003, Rita, but show me, please. Or tell me the model name.
renard
Che-that the link to the Otto directory will be stubbornly rotten. The redirect removes the search query in the directory, leaving only the domain address, and killing all und, ist and the rest of the das ist fantastish. I will paste the link as a code, whoever needs it will copy it.
https://www.otto.de/?selektion=(und.(ist.sortiment.haushaltswaren).(ist.thema.kundenlieblinge_4_0.zubehoer-fuer-herde-kochfelder).(ist.zielgruppe.damen.herren.jungen .maedchen). (sind.kategorien.herdabdeckplatten). (~. (v.1)))
Gingi
Quote: renard
The owners of Faktum, discontinued in 2015, will not agree with you.
Just the owner of the factum changed the entire kitchen under warranty
renard
Quote: lira3003
For two years, I can wipe my apron a couple of times.
This is really very rare. I also chose the color of the apron so that streaks and greasy drops were less visible on it. The renovation is old, the 10x10 format is no longer in vogue. But not the point ...
More than 10 years of operation of this apron led me to the idea that despite the small dimensions of the kitchen, it was necessary to choose large-format tiles, glossy rather than matte, and light-soiled. Gloss white, for example.
Yes, on beige and red tiles in smoky stains, pollution is not striking. But with such a color it is easy to miss the moment when the apron in the area of ​​the sink and stove is already thoroughly smeared, the dirt has already dried up and it is harder to clean them than fresh.
In general, at least once a month I thoroughly wash my entire apron, otherwise it will overgrow.
It is quite possible that the next apron in this kitchen will be made of very light glossy tiles 60x60 or even larger.
lira3003
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lira3003, Rita, but show me, please. Or tell me the model name.
Here



Quote: renard
This is really very rare.
No, well, maybe not a couple of times ... A little more, but I don't wash it all the time, that's for sure. The old kitchen had everything immediately visible, even traces of flies
And here is mine, when the time and desire appears
Work, cooking, washing, cleaning for three men, sewing sometimes, and there is no time at all.
And I don't have a tile, a false panel. The husband did the repair himself, he refused to lay down the tiles.
kolobashka
Quote: renard
A glass cutting board can be inserted there.
I have a transparent one. But it’s not the wall that bothers me, but the countertop. There is water flowing in and you are dazed to constantly wipe it. And my wall panel is the same as the countertop and nothing is visible on it.
lira3003
Barbara, and is it well processed with a sealant? My husband handled it himself, I'm not very worried. Of course, if something splashes, I immediately wipe it off.
kolobashka
the fact of the matter is that it's bad
renard
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I have a transparent one. But it’s not the wall that bothers me, but the countertop.
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the fact of the matter is that it's bad
Try taking your clear board and sticking some kind of soft rubber seal to the long ends. (look in Leroy, there can be inexpensive rubber seals for windows and doors). One end of the board will rest against the edge of the sink, one against the wall panel. You will get a glass ramp.
My board is dry without any seals at all. The puddle is usually to the left and right of the board, not behind the board. Apparently, the edge of the board fits well with the edge of the sink.





I tried it on my sink. You can also try to put this glass board with one end directly on the side of the sink. Without dancing with a tambourine with a seal. And lean the other end of the board against the wall panel. The same slope, only flow from it, in theory, should immediately go into the sink.
lira3003
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the fact of the matter is that it's bad
try to miss it yourself, if there is no one to trust. I just think you need to dry the problem areas well first. I can ask my husband how to smear
Blackout
We need criticism and advice.
Given a kitchen of 6.5 sq. m. It must necessarily accommodate: a refrigerator (free-standing), it has a microwave oven, a dishwasher (built-in 45 cm), a washing machine, an oven. And this is only for the lower cabinets. One-and-a-half sink with a sink, hob for 2 burners.
Unfortunately, neither the washing machine nor the refrigerator can be coordinated to move from the kitchen.
Therefore, it is necessary to cram it into 6.5 square meters. m. household appliances, furniture and also so that there is space for the table. Since the gatherings take place in the kitchen.
The plan is such a 2.5 x 2.6 battery near the window, so the refrigerator does not move there in any way, even with thermal insulation.Furniture for kitchen
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From the door there is a refrigerator, a dishwasher, a cupboard with a sink (1050 mm), a washing machine, an oven and a bottle-holder (nothing else will come in). But the drawer is not under the oven, but above it. This toolbox will be. In the second upper drawer there is a dish drainer, and in the fourth upper drawer there is an extractor hood.
The facades are glossy white, but with a countertop in thought, most likely there will be a stone.
renard
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The plan is such a 2.5 x 2.6 battery near the window, so the refrigerator does not move there in any way, even with thermal insulation.
Can not understand anything. Why doesn't the refrigerator fit by the window?
Where exactly is the battery and the riser?
Blackout
Due to the fact that I'm not a very good artist, I will try with words ...
The plan shows the dimensions of the kitchen, the dimensions of the window and the door.
On the project, there is a refrigerator at the door, and in the right corner, in which a piece of emptiness is a battery. And parents are categorically against putting a refrigerator in this warm corner.
renard
Then there is no other way. Only everything that you listed and how you drew on the plan in such dimensions will not fit. Something will have to be sacrificed.
Well, more precisely, there is another option to try to turn the kitchen at a corner along the window. But he's hemorrhoids.





Quote: Blackout
Unfortunately, neither the washing machine nor the refrigerator can be coordinated to move from the kitchen.
Also unclear why? Is it impossible to throw the washer somewhere in the bathroom, closet, corridor, built-in wardrobe in the corridor, etc.?
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From the door refrigerator, dishwasher, cabinet with sink (1050 mm),
Will not fit, the refrigerator will protrude into the doorway.
2.5 m (kitchen width) - 0.88 m (doorway) = 1.62 m.
1.62 - 0.62 (refrigerator with an installation gap) - 0.45 (pm) - 0.04 (side wall for PMM + spacer between PMM and sink) - 0.58 (sink body with front) = -0, 07 m is not enough to install what you listed along the toilet wall.
Well, that is, a 7 cm coldness climbed into the doorway.
And this is a rough estimate. I did not take into account the design of the doorway, did not take into account the false wall, which you might want to put in order to close the side of the refrigerator, did not lay any indents from the refrigerator to the door trim, did not give any margin for decoration and curvature of the walls, laid a very small stock for spacer and side wall for PMM.
That is, I counted everything in an ugly way.

When calculating, you probably did not take into account that between the PMM and the sink you need to lay a spacer so that the PMM door opens normally + if the PMM is at the end of the kitchen, then a support wall is placed on the side of it, on which the edge of the table will rest. That is, something like this:
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Ёlenka
Quote: Blackout
there is a battery by the window,
And the battery if you look at the plan where is 45 or 70? I just have a similar situation and I moved the battery, the refrigerator stood by the window.
renard
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And the battery if you look at the plan where is 45 or 70?
Battery under the window. And on partition 70, as I understood, the heating riser. And how far it moves away from the wall and what diameter is unknown from the plan. ))))

The fridge at the entrance to the kitchen is, of course, terrible. A bulky object, a feeling of being cramped and entering the tunnel, and if the barrel is not closed, all the pipes are visible. But if the parents are against moving the coldness to another place, they will have to suffer with the coldness at the entrance.
Only here the PMM between the sink and the refrigerator is better not to shove in such a situation.

On the long side 2.6, it is better to stick in a sink, PMM, oven with cooking and washing machine.
The sink will turn out to be non-standard, not 105 cm wide, but smaller. About 80 centimeters with a penny, and as it fits in, the exact location of the riser and the battery on the plan is not indicated, you can only calculate approximately.
80 sink + 45 PMM + 60 oven, cooking + 60 washer = 245.
The remainder of 15 cm is a stock for a heating riser, a supply to the radiator, curtains, spacers, a gap between a riser and a typewriter, the finish, in general, is not so much, I think that more than 5 cm for the sink can not be cut out here.
Well, if in the sink one facade in the corner is replaced with a false panel, then between the sink and the refrigerator it will still be possible to stick a table with drawers about 40 cm deep.





something like this, if the parents do not agree to permutations or at least to remove the washing machine from the kitchen.
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It turns out a hemorrhage with a sewer drain from a washing machine. But the PMM corner to the sink also along such a narrow partition, also at the end of the kitchen - is also not the case. It will be very inconvenient for you to load and unload it. Besides ... For the refrigerator near the battery, your parents are afraid, but for the refrigerator near the PMM - for some reason they are not. And there is not only warmth, but also humidity.
They usually try to put PMM between the modules, not at an angle to the sink, but ideally through the module from the sink, since this is the most convenient way to load and unload the machine.

If the washer is fully built-in, then you can try to change the modules in places.
For example, arrange them in sequence:
sink + washer + pmm with cooking + oven.
difficult, but this is also done when everything is very bad with the place.
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If the washer is built only under the countertop, then it seems to me that it is best in the corner by the window. Firstly, it is not there in the middle of the headset, you do not need to pull the basement to the end of the kitchen and thus create problems with access to the drainage. Secondly, it is easier to remove it from there in case of breakdown. And, thirdly, if the machine vibrates, then the vibration will be less transmitted to the entire set, you can try to put it there with gaps so that it does not touch the furniture at all.

Better yet, persuade the parents to at least remove the washing machine from the kitchen.

My that proposal is also not ideal. In my plan, the refrigerator protrudes relative to the sink bowl. There would be more distance between the refrigerator and the sink - it would not care. And since there it turns out about 40 cm, it comes out narrowly near the sink.
Blackout
Quote: Ёlenka

And the battery if you look at the plan where is 45 or 70? I just have a similar situation and I moved the battery, the refrigerator stood by the window.
Battery near the window where 70. From the wall to the edge of the battery pipe 10 cm

The washing machine is not built in.

Wiki
Quote: renard
something like this
The sink has only a different facade: hinges on the left, handle on the right. Otherwise, there is no way to get there (to the trash bin, potatoes, etc.). Very uncomfortable. It was like that for me, then they redid it.




Chamomile
I suggest not making a built-in oven. Put the desktop. Then there will be space at the bottom. And a sink, just not in the corner. Otherwise, the entire huge cabinet under it will be practically empty.I have almost the same kunya and a refrigerator at the entrance. I put it so deliberately, although there is no battery in that place. Just north side and little light.
renard
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At the sink, the facade is only different: the hinges on the left, the handle on the right.
Yes, I forgot to fix behind the planner in which I drew. It is quite primitive, non-standard modules cannot draw, you have to take pictures of it. Well, I forgot ...
But this is a trifle compared to the fact that the refrigerator comes out about 30 centimeters relative to the sink, and the distance between the refrigerator and the sink comes out about 40 cm.

Something must be sacrificed. For example, remove the washing machine from the kitchen. Then the sink will not have to be cut in width. Or parents give up that the refrigerator will be in the corner by the window, and in its place there will be a washing machine, well, the sink in the corner will be located a little differently.
Or abandon the PMM. Or donate the door to the kitchen and narrow the passage to the kitchen. Either cut the oven to 45 cm or throw the built-in oven out of the kitchen layout altogether. There will be some small desktop govnoroster.

In general, whatever one may say, something will have to be abandoned.
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I suggest not making a built-in oven. Put the desktop. Then there will be space at the bottom.
And it will take up a place at the top, and there the work surfaces are not at all so hot.

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And a sink, just not in the corner.
And where? And how much do you have to work to bring the sewer to it? And how crooked will the sewer line be?

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Otherwise, the entire huge cabinet under it will be practically empty.
Oh, come on, it will be practically empty. There will be pipes in the corner in this cabinet. Possibly taps and filters.
Wiki
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There will be pipes in the corner in this cabinet. Possibly taps and filters.
I have plus a trash can, a basket of potatoes and a side bottle holder for detergents / bags are thus adapted
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renard
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I have plus a trash can, a basket of potatoes and a side bottle holder for detergents / bags are thus adapted
I also have a corner kitchen with a rectangular underframe under the sink in the corner. I will not take a picture, but in the "dead corner" of the pipe. So it's not particularly empty. And if I still wanted to stick in filters for drinking water, everything would be plump there.
P. S.
Okay, as an option. The oven is a sacrifice to parental wishes.

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But there are more drawers and the refrigerator almost does not crawl out relative to the sink bowl. And with the connection of the washing machine to the sewer, everything is relatively simple. Make one drawer in depth, make cuts in the body, and in this place the drain hose from the washer will go ... All the same 160x245 angle with very small reserves for installation and spacers at the corner.
In general, I think that since one table with drawers turns out to be sideways to the sink, and there are too few centimeters for spacers on the corner, it makes sense to look towards facades with milled handles.
Well, or choose streamlined handles, not sharp, in the shape of a bracket and a small height.

And instead of an oven, some kind of roaster thread, either on the windowsill, or on the brackets above the dining table ...
Blackout
Thank you all very much
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Quote: Chamomile from Today at 09:13 I suggest not making a built-in oven. Put the desktop. Then there will be space below. And it will take up a place at the top, and there the work surfaces are not at all so hot.
The option to raise the oven was considered, but precisely due to the fact that the work surface is very small, we had to abandon this.

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On the long side 2.6, it is better to stick in a sink, PMM, oven with cooking and washing machine. The sink will turn out to be non-standard, not 105 cm wide, but smaller. About 80 centimeters with a penny, and as it fits in, the exact location of the riser and the battery on the plan is not indicated, you can only count approximately.
This is an ingenious solution!
When planning the kitchen, we drew a cabinet for a sink of 1050 mm or 1000 mm. It never occurred to me that it could be reduced.
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Then, of course, the dishwasher is placed at the sink, followed by the washing machine and oven. Although I was assured that it is impossible to put a washing machine and a dishwasher next to it.

Quote: renard
Well, if in the sink one facade in the corner is replaced with a false panel, then between the sink and the refrigerator it will still be possible to stick a table with drawers about 40 cm deep.
How I like your idea with a 40cm cabinet, not with drawers, but with shelves to put the pots. Due to the fact that most of it is cooked in multicooker, there are few pots and they are stacked one into the other.

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Quote: Chamomile from Today at 09:13, otherwise the entire huge cabinet under it will be practically empty. Oh, come on, it will be practically empty. There will be pipes in the corner in this cabinet. Possibly taps and filters.
A filter, a trash can, a container with household chemicals, meters and valves for shutting off water are placed under the sink. And in case of a leak, there must be access so that the plumber can fix everything.





Quote: renard
Okay, as an option. The oven is a sacrifice to parental wishes.
The oven is exclusively my wishlist How is it in a kitchen without an oven? I like to bake pies on a baking sheet; I cook duck exclusively in the oven. Even with a microwave oven with a grill and convection, a multi-bowl, an air fryer, a grill, a pizza maker and a slow cooker, I cannot refuse the oven.





Quote: renard
it makes sense to look towards facades with milled handles. Well, or choose streamlined handles, not sharp, in the shape of a bracket and a small height.
The handles on the facades are planned to be integrated or recessed.
Anna1957
Quote: Blackout
How is it in the kitchen without an oven? I like to bake pies on a baking sheet
Instead of an oven, I took a 28L Shteba stove. It includes absolutely everything, including the large Nordic forms. The only thing that did not fit was a planchette for baking 3 baguettes - I just sawed it off with a grinder from 2 sides. I don't use it much now, but if necessary - no problems. It is about the size of a microwave. You can just put it at the corner.
In an old apartment, I have a Candy trio option - it's expensive, but in one bottle there is a cooker, a dishwasher oven.
Furniture for kitchenThe sink is in the very corner just to get some water - everything was washed in the dishwasher.

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