Problem situations in the operation of dishwashers

wash something with some pills like that ...

I've been doing this for two years. On very hard water.

No, well, that's a normal person! I'M HYSTERICAL!!! !!!!

[Olga y]

Olga y, calmness, only calmness.))
Let's go point by point again.

1. The machine spills salt into the wash cabinet.
2. This is a malfunction.
3. Diagnostics by a master is required.
4. There will be no master in the near future.

Am I correct?)
It would be correct to really turn off the car and wait for the serviceman.

At the same time, washing without the use of salt (especially if the water in the network is rather soft) is quite possible. When using tablets under these conditions, washing will be normal, especially if the program is not short.

If at the same time the machine does not confuse its other actions except for putting salt into the chamber instead of the ion exchanger. Because then there may be a completely different danger than what the support service said. The question is not whether or not you can wash without salt. Without salt it is just possible, just the ion exchanger will not regenerate and the water will not soften. When the salt is poured, it will cleanse the calcium reserves, replacing them with sodium, and will be able to soften the water again under washing with powder and further. That is, this reaction is reversible.

And now the most unpleasant thing that can be - the throwing of water from the washing chamber into the ion exchanger. Well, if the salt from there goes to the chamber, why can't the water from the chamber get there? I say right away - I have a bad idea of ​​the circulation of water in your car, so I am not saying anything definite.

So if dirty water with detergent gets into the exchanger, then this is very, very bad for him.

Therefore, it's up to you to decide.
If something is not clear, read it again.))

Girls, did I understand correctly that you need to start an empty car every six months? I recently noticed grease on the filter. Is it to wash it on parts of the car?

[Scops owl]

Scops owl, uh-huh. It is possible and more often.
We all know how badly plastic is washed off fat. And all the insides of the car are plastic. If the owner is a fan of simple rinsing of dirty dishes between sinks (so that they don't "smell") or really wants to save money and therefore puts half a tablet or sprinkles a little powder, then the undissolved (that is, not bound with the detergent) fat sticks to everything inside. It is partially washed during those washes, when it turns out that there is more detergent than is needed for the fat in a given load, but not a fact. People who, after a few years, are forced to disassemble the machine for any reason, almost always note the clogging of the channels inside this oily thick paste. Which they clean by hand with brushes, because nothing else takes it. ((

Therefore, in order to push aside such total pollution, it is customary to periodically clean the dishwasher. Not to mention the fact that the twisting filters should be regularly checked and washed if necessary, it is worth running an empty sink at least once a month on the hottest of the programs. With the strongest tablet or with a full container of strong powder, plus don't forget to sprinkle something on the door. If not powder, then at least soda ash or detergent for automatic machines.

Well, once every six months or a year, in the same empty sink, we put citric acid in the trough as much as it will fit.

It can be very helpful to dip the drain hose into a large bucket and watch to know more exactly how successful such "garbage cans" are and what they give.Maybe the purest water will come out there, then you can either do it less often, or not worry about it at all.

Personally, I have a rather dirty flow, with flakes of fat on top. ((

Len, thanks. I will run empty with powder. And next time empty with lemon. And it does not corrode the internal parts, there is a metal mesh in the filter.

Duc and all visible parts of the car are also metal. )
Well, we regularly wash the washing machine with acid. Some even in completely exorbitant concentrations.)))

And iron from alkali rusts no worse than from acid, so ...

The most interesting thing is that I poured lemon juice for a hypothetical cleaning from possible scale on the heater, and as a result I got the drained water, cloudy and with floating fat. I was very surprised at this.

Len, I would also like to see what I have in the water, but I will not remove the hoses. It stands, does not flow, and thank God.

[Bijou]

Bijou, Lena, tell me, please, more precisely, how many grams of lemons should be poured into the dishwasher, otherwise the packs are different ... Is it at the maximum temperature too? I have 79g, the machine is full sized. Even earlier I read that it is not immediately possible to pour in lemon, but after 20 minutes from the beginning, when the preliminary wash ends, how is it correct? And you can immediately have a great washing machine, albeit in the wrong topic, but forgive me ... How many lemons are in it and at what moment? there, too, first a pre-wash at high temperatures? how to find out when and how?

[ksyusha1997]

ksyusha1997, well, we just put the lemon in the dishwasher in the container for the powder. He will open himself when necessary and will not have to watch "20 minutes from the beginning." There are not so many included, but it seemed to me enough. It makes no sense to pour too much - in the dishwasher, the water softens, calcium in the deposits may not be in everyone. This is our water from a well and is very hard, and the network water is often soft or medium hard.

I put 50 grams in the washer on a large machine. Although I met advice to pour in both 100 and even 200 grams.
But also in houses with normal water, people note that the heating element that died on the tenth year turns out to be absolutely clean and without any lime deposits.))

If you do not wash it with soap, they say that it is excellent at growing on the heater. I did not come across it myself, I never even bought powders containing soap. But in any case, the heating element is inexpensive and simply changes.

Lena, thanks for the answer! I also have my own well, my house, too, probably hard, there is definitely a lot of iron, I know. I just don't know what to do with the dishwasher anymore, my pills have always been lately, filters are always in fat. I wash it off, this fat is so nasty, BYEE. What she lacks, and washes does not hurt that clean. Bosch machine, for example, my sister also has Bosch, but it's only narrower and newer, so her filter is always as good as new, it already shines !!! And our plates are the same, so she has practically no drawing left, she washes with destructive power (this, of course, is sad, too, sorry, French), but I have ... some kind of grief. Buying a special cleaning agent for PM is a little expensive for me, only in M_Video with us, it's not a cheap pleasure at a time ...

[ksyusha1997]

ksyusha1997, is there a lot of scale in the kettle? Is there salt in the car and at least some degree of regeneration is set?

Yes, partly hard water can contribute to the "salting" of the machine. Well, remember the soap boiling on the walls of the bathroom in hard water and the excess consumption of powder in the washing machine. My grease also settles on the filters. Therefore, I always try to pour something on the front sink on the door. Recently, this is soda ash, a spoon or two. She will take the main fat from the plates on herself, and then the tablet or powder will actually wash the dishes.
Then you can live without washing the filters for at least a couple of weeks.))

[Bijou]

Bijou, Lenochka, thanks for the advice! I'll also try to pour soda ash on the door!

[Bijou]

Bijou, and why would such a thing be done so that the machine would eat less salt, eh? I have it at a minimum (the water seems to be soft), the machine washes well, the funds are all separate (final grinding), but the salt indicator almost constantly lights up. Someone told me that she herself is kind of so smart and regulates the amount of salt ... A machine with artificial intelligence

Someone told me that she herself is kind of so smart and regulates the amount of salt ... A machine with artificial intelligence

It is unlikely.((
Girls, I don’t know all the subtleties! I learned something from my own experiences and mistakes, read about something from knowledgeable people and in literature. And even then not everything in my head caught on from the read. Therefore, I do not know all the answers to the questions, alas.

The machine does not know how to be smart and regulate the amount of salt. Everything is pretty static there - depending on the settings, the machine rinses the ion exchanger with a saturated salt solution from the bunker (where we pour salt under the lid) or every wash, or less often and less often up to once a week (in seven washes). If you have set the minimum degree of "hardness", then the machine should spend salt on regeneration rarely, rarely. And there is no reason in it, and there cannot be - for the machine to be able to independently determine the hardness of the incoming water and change the frequency of regeneration, it must cost absolutely exorbitant money. Well, Miele, for example, or the top brand of Bosch Gagenau.

So most likely the car is just wrong somewhere. And I don't know what to do about it. Well, perhaps not at all to feed the car with salt, since it does not really need it. IMHO, all these myths that salt must necessarily be - nothing more than myths. The ion exchanger is much more likely to deteriorate not from the lack of salt or its incorrect setting, but from ferrous water. Here the iron, once caught on the resin, never leaves it again. Even with regular rinsing with salt.

And how many people mistakenly stuff a detergent into it, confusing the pack with salt! Yes, no annual lack of salt will shit more than one such mistake.)) And nevertheless, people continue to use cars normally.

[Bijou]

Bijou, thank you, reassured! I periodically add salt, but the ingode indicator goes out, and sometimes it doesn't

[Scarlett]

Scarlett, but not at all.))
I'm mine at highly I kept it in hard water for two years without salt. On pills. Then she began to wash with gel and she gave me a whitish coating. I gave up and poured salt. The raid left after several washes. Enough for a year. Then I washed again for several months just like that and everything is fine. But no gel.
Recently I came across inexpensive salt for a promotion and fell asleep again. The car (Bosch) is 7-8 years old, I don't remember exactly.

I grabbed from greed I scored different pills "Domol" for the action, but all of them are complete bullshit, at least 5 in 1, at least 25 The wash is disgusting, they don't wash the tea plaque on the cups at all. The funny thing is that when last year the rinse aid disappeared from the sale altogether - I took some of the cheapest tablets - so they washed everything, and here it seems that the company is serious, and they have good powder, but the tablets

Hello. A month ago I bought a dishwasher Zanussi, everything suits me, I can not buy salt, we live in a village, 100 km to the nearest town. My question is: how dangerous is it to use PMM without salt? Water from the well is very hard and contains a lot of iron. And another question: how often do you need to top up the rinse aid in the rinse aid compartment? I set the consumption to 2, the machine has no display.

[Igrunova]

Igrunova, Elena, I am a recent user of PMM, I order all the products for her at Ozone. It's easier for me not to search all the time: I bought and delivered.

[Elena]

Elena, she herself will ask for rinse aid, the indicator will be on, well, it should at least))))
and salt is needed, especially for hard water
there are 2in1 and 3in1 tablets, they contain salt
but I was told that salt needs to be filled up regardless of what you use, said a representative of the manufacturer of the PMM of a famous brand, and I trust his opinion

Albina, thank you very much for the tip, I periodically visit Ozone. Thanks again.

Tatiana, there is an indicator near the rinse aid compartment, but its color does not change ..: pard: maybe I just can't see.

[Igrunova]

Igrunova, when the salt is really needed - you will see it yourself.)) Because the dishes and the machine itself will be covered with a whitish coating and you yourself will no longer want to use such a machine.

The way out in your case is to wash with tablets. Put salt when you buy, there is nothing fatal in its absence. Even if efflorescence appears, after adding salt, they will go away within several washes (depending on your settings), so there is no reason to be afraid.

To you at such a distance from civilization, I can advise you the following - when you are with a car in the nearest town, find a store that sells personal items for water treatment. Well, there are ion-exchange columns, pumps, boilers, heaters, pumping stations, etc. So there is salt in a large package, 10, it seems, kilograms in a bag. The salt is in the form of barrels, not crystals, but that's okay, it will work for us - the resin in the car is the same as in the ion-exchange column. And it all costs several times cheaper than in dishwasher boxes.

Having bought a bag once, we remove the problem of searching and buying for many years.
Before the new year, I myself stocked up in Yulmart, there ordinary salt was 90 rubles per box. We have hard water, but my pills have been for many years now, when I pour salt, when not, it usually goes well if a kilogram per year.

[Igrunova]

Igrunova, Lena, at my car it lights up, I fill in a little and does not burn for a long time

Bijou, Lena, thank you, I'll also go and see if you can find such stores here, buy 10kg and let it stand on the balcony)))

did not find anything (((((in Chelyabinsk there is no one (((

[tana33]

tana33, oh. I missed with a mass.

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Or here: 🔗

In short, dig in this direction. You look and you will find a shop nearby or along the way.

[Bijou]

Bijou, Len, thank you very much))) I was looking for something)))

[Tatyana]

Tatyana, but later I realized that I had given little in a hurry. I told you in order to ask in a live store, and on the Internet you’ll figure out how to ask ... So I corrected myself.

[Bijou]

BijouLen, you are the most advanced in these matters, and what, really, salt for PMM is not the same as ordinary salt?

The same, of course.)) Just very clean. Some users simply pour in Extra, which is the purest food option. But it has anti-caking agents plus a very small fraction. If I get confused, I may be able to find one very old conversation with a Bosch representative on another forum. In general, the main complaints were about solubility (and brine concentration, of course), if I remember correctly.

Regular users, who are of the advanced type, are against Extras because of anti-crawlers. And the public mind came to the conclusion that the best option is the same tableted salt - the purpose is targeted, the price is low, it is not difficult to buy. But some machines have a problem when the sensor is mistaken in determining the presence of salt in the bunker. In general, it's okay, we know that it is there.)) Plus, these large granules can be thrown over the Zhmenka regularly without any problems, without waiting for the chamber and display to empty.

"Tableted" salt I have never come across. Once I bought Somat in large granules, I liked filling the bunker. Small ones are worse and longer.

"Tableted" salt I have never come across.

It's just that until today you didn't know where to look for her.

[The main difference lies only in the fact that the salt, which is intended for the machine, has an increased purification from any impurities, its granules (grains) are much larger than in ordinary table salt.It is these differences that make it impossible to use ordinary table salt in the car, and one must constantly remember this and not try to experiment, even if there is no special tool at hand. Other types of salt contain a high percentage of insoluble substances that can clog the filters and channels of the dishwasher over time.]

and what, really salt for PMM is not the same as ordinary salt?

The same, of course.))

Here's a quote from one third-party site ...

The main difference lies only in the fact that the salt, which is intended for the machine, has an increased purification from any impurities, its granules (grains) are much larger than in ordinary table salt.

It is these differences that make it impossible to use ordinary table salt in the car, and one must constantly remember this and not try to experiment, even if there is no special tool at hand. Other types of salt contain a high percentage of insoluble substances that can clog the filters and channels of the dishwasher over time.

It's just that until today you didn't know where to look for her.

exactly exactly
I also looked after myself a 25kg bag for 450 chtoli rubles

hosspidyayayay, etoz to use not to overuse
schA I will call all the neighboring friends, we will share

Bijou, Lena, we have shops in our village where they sell boilers, pumps, etc., but no one knows anything about salt, I myself work in the Department Store, the household chemicals department, I order the goods myself, but the supplier does not have salt, only pills ... As soon as I find myself in a big city, I will definitely look for salt in a large package. Thanks for the advice and help.

Is this salt suitable for PMM?

[Elena]

Tatyana, there is an indicator near the rinse aid compartment, but its color does not change .. maybe I just can't see it.

Elena, there the transparency of this indicator changes, it will be seen. I also have Zanussi

Tina, thanks for your help, I will take a closer look.

It's just that until today you didn't know where to look for her.

Flax, for a teapot from the "dense Murom forests", drop a couple of names and you can sites like for Tanya33 (although, from which she is 33, I would need it, but she is 74 ... A, Tanya?)

[Marina]

Marina, I found
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you need to look for Tableted Salt in Vladimir
or in Murom

We have a water purification system in our house. We buy tableted salt for the filter.
I heard somewhere that it can be used for PMM, but I haven't tried it yet.
The water is very soft, and the machine hasn't been asking for salt for a long time.

[Marina]

I order the goods myself, but the supplier does not have salt, only tablets ..

And the tablets from what and for what?

Marina, well, according to the same links was the name - "tableted salt for the regeneration of ion-exchange columns."

And my car hasn't asked for a rinse aid for a long time - maybe the light bulb has burned out? Lew when I remember

And the tablets from what and for what?

For dishwashers. Packing of 20-40 tablets. Which are sold in all stores.

Virgo, I understood everything, thanks!
I went and looked what kind of animal.
So shove these tablets straight into the bunker? And how to tell which ones will suit me? They write there both for water treatment and for boiler houses ...
I'm a kettle again!

And how to tell which ones will suit me?

Those on which it says "sodium chloride ninety-nine percent" (with a hook), of course.)) What did you think of?

They write there both for water treatment and for boiler houses ...

Only not for "water purification", for this filters and membranes are used, but for water treatment.
Well, what are they doing in boiler rooms? In the same way, they soften the water in boilers so that there is no scale.

For dishwashers. Packing of 20-40 tablets.

Ah, got it. I thought it might be salt tablets.

Biju,

Hello girls. I'm back for help! The dishwasher is in trouble. As I wrote earlier, I used fairy capsules, then I bought powder and rinse aid, I didn’t add salt, I’m waiting for it to be sent from the online store, and so, a week ago I began to notice that my dishes were white, the car inside was also blotted, I bought pills, already my pills, all the same everything is dull and white. I add soda ash to the compartment with the tablet (maybe this is in vain). Advise what to do? How to remove plaque? : girl_cray: I'm afraid, while I buy salt, the plaque will not be washed off later.

[Igrunova]

Igrunova, I would not risk the health of the dishwasher at all, it is necessary to use all the means that are required and those that are required.
The raid will gradually and slowly wash off.

Yes, I would love to, but we have no salt in the village.