Problem situations in the operation of dishwashers

I have the hottest one - 75 (or maybe 70 too?), I wash everything on it. Glass plates and cups feel great. As do plastic dishes and containers. It is believed that high temperatures are harmful for crystal, and everything else is without problems.
Of course, if you have expensive porcelain dishes with overglaze painting, then they should not be washed in the PMM, and even then not because of the temperature (we pour boiling water into these cups), but because aggressive powders over time erase the drawing.

[Alina]

I'm afraid to wash something on it all the time - some of my dishes are made of glass. I washed pots on it a couple of times.

Alina, and what are you afraid of? The machine is designed not only for washing dishes, but also for disinfection using agents and high temperatures, so why be afraid? And why pots only a couple of times? If it is possible to shove the pan, then I definitely do it. The only thing is that a couple of crystal vases burst in it, but this is understandable, the crystal does not withstand a sharp temperature drop, but I hoped for "maybe" ... a negative experience is also an experience. I do not load more crystal for long modes with a change in high and low temperatures. But the glass will have nothing in it.

[Alina]

Alina, powder can be used instead of pemolux - for washing, sinks, for example. I did not use it myself, but I read the recommendations.

I have the hottest one - 75 (or maybe 70 too?), I wash everything on it.

For some time now, we have switched to exclusively phosphate-free eco-friendly chemicals for the home. We have a private sector, a house with a small plot and a vegetable garden, and now we are faced with a local environmental disaster. When we were cleaning the septic tank and sewers, we saw enough of these phosphates, which in the septic tank turn into a black oily slurry of the color and consistency of freshly mined oil. And all this goes, one might say, under the feet, into the well.

For PMM, we now use only phosphate-free tablets All-in-1 Frosch (Germany), BioMio (Denmark), Vortex (Poland), and look at Domol (Germany). One of the active components in them are enzymes that are responsible for washing out protein deposits. But they are active only up to 50 degrees - they no longer work above. Therefore, I wash it only on the "EKO (50C)" mode, and everything is perfectly washed - fat, proteins, and tea with coffee in glasses. Well, a poisonous finish at 70 degrees will not completely cope with a burnt baking sheet: for soot, stronger means are required - something like Sano Forte Plus or an Amway oven cleaner.

A purely personal opinion: under pain of death, we do not use Henkel Laundry & Home Care products manufactured in the former USSR. This includes Finish and Somat. To be honest, we do not use the products of these brands at all, because, without exception, everything is hefty "odorous" and poisonous. There are tons of other products that work just as well, if not better, and not as smelly. But this is only our personal opinion, which I do not impose on anyone here.

By the way, due to the fact that products containing phosphates or phosphanites have been banned in the European Union since this year, a part of unsold phosphate products rushed from them to us. So, on the sites of advertisements for private sales (for example OLX), now you can find in abundance offers for sale in packaging or just a box by weight of various tablets for PMM of such brands that we have never heard of in our domestic market. What it is, God knows. Perhaps you can save on this, but we do not risk using such a "pig in a poke" here ...

By the way, due to the fact that products containing phosphates have been banned in the European Union this year

I'm not sure, we read the composition of Somat sold in Germany 🔗
First line of Pentasodium triphosphate in Poland 🔗

we read the composition of Somat sold in Germany 🔗

Please note the year of issue of this declaration: Ingredients declaration according to Detergent Regulation ((EC) No 648/2004).
I think that the German guys just haven't gotten ahead of themselves with the publication of fresh documentation yet. In Ukraine, phosphate-free Somat products are slowly but surely replacing phosphate ... with a barcode, completely identical to the same gel, but of the old model, that is, with 30% phosphates, and which is also on sale: 9000100971461. And here's how to treat Henkel after that? No way ... bypass ...

What about the pills? And which somat to bypass?

[redleafa]

redleafa, all the information that is laid out here on the forum is only information for thought, and extremely subjective opinions of members of the forum, which should be treated with a healthy dose of skepticism and optimism.

Dishwashers are all different, the means for PMM are different by location of production, standards, quality, price, and availability! Therefore, there is no single register of the most acceptable dishwashers on the scale of the galaxy or a separate region of the planet "Earth". Choose your own product called "dishwashing compromise on the price and quality of washing in PMM", and then share your experience and opinion with us.

Perhaps the reviews and opinions already outlined here on the forum will allow you to make the right choice. Good luck!

I am reporting. I washed 65 degrees on the auto program. The filter sparkles, umm sparkles, the master's black baking sheet sparkles with metal)) put only 10 ml of powder.

I am reporting.

At least designate to whom you are taking the report, so as not to fur the topic in order to solve this mysterious quest ...
Please, if possible, do not confuse private correspondence with posts in the public forum in the future ...

[Kapet]

Kapet, Thank you. I also think that everything is subjective

Dear a month ago, I bought a used Siemens dishwasher. I have been using it for a month. I like it. Recently I messed up myself and arranged for her water in a tray. I had to disassemble for drying at the same time and took a picture so to speak how STE looks like. and I also have a question for respected specialists what such a machine can threaten me ???? model SR25E230RU machine 12 years old but sold everywhere and now

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PS: I beg your pardon, I barely figured out how to add a photo confusingly like that at all

[Calipso63]

Calipso63, I do not understand what confuses you, a normal trash heap, let it work for your health

what can such a machine threaten me with? model SR25E230RU machine 12 years old

The only threat will be that it will not break for a long time. Siemens makes dishwashers of very good quality, especially if the assembly is German, like yours. Bosch makes very similar models, since these brands belong to the same office BSH Bosch und Siemens Hausgeräte GmbH, but in terms of quality we can say that Bosch is a consumer goods, inferior in quality to Siemens. So congratulations - a lucky purchase!
Our full-size SIEMENS SN25M280EU of 2010 (see the very first post in this thread) did not work under any shitty conditions: water with iron, and voltage below 150 V, and voltage drops from sawmills or welding (private sector) ... And nothing, - plows now, without hints of problems, like Karl's dad. I wish you the same!

oh thanks))) I chose when a lot of every g sell, I'm certainly not special, but I shoveled a few forums. Yes, and all the washing machines in the country and at my parents and we have Boshevskie love the Germans, I didn't have money for a new one for a third of the cost of a new one, I confronted my husband with the fact that we were taking this one, and that's really what they were taking her lying down and as it turned out there there was a decent amount of water in it, it flowed out, biting the current then all the rules))) but when I unscrewed the lid to dry, I looked at how it works interestingly))))) The former owners moved from the city to the cottage, and they put the building in) on the 3rd photo you can see such a thing like a snail looks like a channel before it and it itself is like a type of fat, as I understand it, they are soiled and I can not imagine how to clean it. but it all gets there just likeonly starts to drain from the beginning, as it were, then down there.

Added Wednesday 15 Feb 2017 06:28 PM

And I have already read almost everything here from the very beginning))))) I really liked it here sooooooooooo straight home

The only thing that bothers me a little is STE on 3 photo you can see such a thing like how a snail looks like a channel before it and she herself is kind of like a type of fat, as I understand it, they are dirty and I can't imagine how to clean it. but it all gets there just as soon as it starts to drain from the beginning, as if there then down.

Perhaps it is worth making the machine a little prophylaxis. Or maybe it will work for another 10 years. Or drive away a special dishwasher cleaner. Your photo is small, you can't see the problem on it ...

Added Wednesday 15 Feb 2017 06:48 PM

Added Today at 16:28
And I have already read almost everything here from the very beginning))))) I really liked it here sooooooooooo straight home

Yes, people here are friendly!

[Calipso63]

Calipso63, Valentine, I have had a PMP for a long time, and no matter how carefully it is not to use it, anyway, it is such a unit that fat will always accumulate. But in recent years, at my urgent requests in various households. shops, at the end they began to bring a special detergent for washing the car itself. Now I don't have it in stock (to show the photo) and, unfortunately, I don't even remember the name (my friend works in the store and I don’t bother about the names, I’ll tell you what you need, she pokes her nose on which shelf to take) ... But I will say that this is a small rectangular bottle with a double liquid - transparent and blue, the price is about 200 rubles. You don't need to open the bottle, just put it upside down in an empty machine and turn it on for the middle cycle. I periodically wash the car in this way and it seems (mmm) I don't see any problems. Ask around in stores for cleaning products for PM machines. If not, ask - they will bring it because the bases have this tool, it's just that the traders are not always interested in such things, and many simply do not know. I, too, could not immediately explain what I want. Good luck!

Something like this: Finish Dishwasher Cleaner. 🔗

[Ilmirushka]

Ilmirushka, it seems the Finish is called.

Finish, that's just the brand name. There are many different brands of PMM cleaning products. At the Finish, the light did not converge like a wedge. It's just that it is the most common, with us and with you.

[Annutka]

Annutka, Anna, maybe Finish ... but it seems I had something else. The finish line is a line for washing dishes, but for a car ... Well, I don’t remember the name, I have to call in and buy, then I’ll tell and show for sure Now the industry is quickly studying the market, it is possible that all sorts of things will soon appear for washing cars

[Ilmirushka]

Ilmirushka, I also take the Finish car washer, very similar to the one you described.

Just google "dishwasher cleaner", business ...

Here are how many brands of these products we can find: 🔗

very similar to what you described.

well, that means it

[Ilmirushka]

Ilmirushka,

[Annutka]

Annutka, Anna, agree with me on "you"

Your photo is small, you can't see the problem on it ...

it kind of clicks on the bigger one .........

it kind of clicks on the bigger one .........

The second photo, on the right, is clicked but not enlarged ...

about cleaning umm))))) after buying the machine with the finish I already cleaned it right away and we have it cheaper than 300 I didn’t see it only more expensive: girl-yes: and there is such a place that I think of nothing but removing the tank and pouring anti-fat for the lock it will not work differently, yes well, let's see, I just pour powder on the door to pre-rinse when just the water with fat does not merge, so at least the soapy one will think it will settle less

By the way, the composition of this Finish for cleaning PMM is kind of dumb: 5% or more, but less than 15% non-ionic surfactants, flavoring. Why they love him is unclear ...
For example, the composition of Domol Maschinen-Pfleger is: water, citric acid, 5 to 15% non-ionic PAR, limonene, flavor, preservatives, CI 42090.

By the way, the component CI 42090, the "Brilliant Blue" dye, is also in the Finish. This is the top blue layer painted over with this dye. But the manufacturer forgot to mention this. What else he forgot to mention in the composition - God only knows ... A dumb remedy, a dumb rasping brand ... I tried to clean the PMM with it, - I can't recommend it, because, as always: expensive and poisonous ... After him four times it is required to run the dishwasher at idle rinsing speed ...

[Constantin]

it is necessary to run the dishwasher at idle rinsing speed ...

Constantin, yes, there is such a thing, but wherever I have read it, everywhere they write that citric acid is very harmful to rubber seals, and

composition of Domol Maschinen-Pfleger: water, citric acid,

well, a lot of what they write, but in rinses, too, lemon, like it's not harmful ...: girl_wink: I generally buy lemon in Auchan and I clean it and the washing machine and dishwasher ran the iron, kettle and toilet bowl sorry: oops: no silit can compare and even cheaper

citric acid is very harmful to rubber seals

Citric acid damages all rubber and plastic seals, making them brittle and brittle. But, firstly, there is this acid with a gulkin's nose, and secondly, with the regular use of such a remedy once every half a year, nothing from this acid with seals will happen in 2 hours of the cycle. The Germans from ROSSMAN are not quite such idiots to produce agents dangerous for PMM. And citric acid inside the PMM effectively fights all sorts of deposits ...

[Kapet]

Kapet, Here I am about this kind of snail and there, well, no special agent will get there so already on the drain for a few seconds

[Calipso63]

Calipso63, here my knowledge is no longer enough. If you knew what it is, and how it can be safely cleaned for the PMM ... In this case, just throw such a product on the bottom of an empty PMM, start a washing cycle, and after a set of water, stop washing. At the same time, the PMM will certainly drain all the water, with the product ... But this is where the thoughts end ... Sorry ...

Calipso63, here my knowledge is no longer enough. If you knew what it is, and how it can be safely cleaned for the PMM ... In this case, just throw such a product on the bottom of an empty PMM, start a washing cycle, and after a set of water, stop washing. At the same time, the PMM will certainly drain all the water, with the product ... But this is where the thoughts end ... Sorry ...

: wow: I already did this too, I don't remember who I read it on the forum))) but thanks to the fact that I removed the wall and it worked for me for several days without it, I, as they say, watched what it does at what sounds: girl_manikur: so when draining the very first portion of water, as it were, it rises sharply along the canal to this snail, there it is not clear what but the type of sound of such trrrr as if a ball bounces in an empty box: - \ well, and it falls down, respectively, all these cleaning no way there is nothing here will not clean))))))) in general, I think, let it work just well, ooooo wondering what is there

so when draining the very first portion of water, as it were, rises sharply along the channel to this snail

Question: at what drain? If at the first time, then it is possible in this snail in automatic mode (for you and me this is the "auto 45-65" mode), after the soaking stage, the dishwasher determines the degree of contamination and fat content of the water in order to adjust the mode / temperature / time of washing. My Sima in this mode sometimes changes the cycle time during operation ...

[Annutka]

Annutka, Anna, maybe Finish ... but it seems I had something else. Finish is a line for washing dishes, but for a machine.

The finish is just the opposite, a line for washing dishes in PM! And one of the best

Question: at what drain? If at the first time, then it is possible in this snail in automatic mode (for you and me this is the "auto 45-65" mode), after the soaking stage, the dishwasher determines the degree of contamination and fat content of the water in order to adjust the mode / temperature / time of washing. My Sima in this mode sometimes changes the cycle time during operation ...

mmmmmm but this is a good question, it will be necessary to follow up, I really put everything back, but from the sounds now I know what she is doing there

Added Thursday, Feb 16, 2017 07:42 AM

My Sima in this mode sometimes changes the cycle time during operation ...

Probably my dishes are not greasy, I run in the evening before bedtime and I look at what time I should wash, it didn’t seem to have changed: pardon: although I may be 70 more and sometimes wash eco

Quote: Kapet on Feb 15. 2017, 23:02
Question: at what drain? If at the first time, then it is possible in this snail in automatic mode (for you and me this is the "auto 45-65" mode), after the soaking stage, the dishwasher determines the degree of contamination and fat content of the water in order to adjust the mode / temperature / time of washing. My Sima in this mode sometimes changes the cycle time during operation ...
mmmmmm but this is a good question, it will be necessary to follow up, I really put everything back, but from the sounds now I know what she is doing there

and so ... in any mode, when draining, water always gets into this snail first, it became even more interesting what kind of thing is this

Ladies and gentlemen (I don't know what topic to post, so I hope I didn't miss), a Bosch dishwasher finally arrived at my place, but the problem is this: instructions are only in Spanish and Polish.
Tell us what to do at the first start (I hope my husband will come home from work today and connect the machine, the matter remains small)

[Yana]

Yana, voice the model!

Added Thursday, 30 March 2017 5:10 PM

I hope my husband will come home from work today

And what - sometimes he doesn't return from work?

Girls, the top tray has stopped washing. Has anyone faced such a problem? Why should one prepare morally and financially? The master, of course, will have to be called, this is also an immediate problem, we live far from the city, we will have to give all the best for one call, but there is no choice. Who knows what about this problem? Bosch machine. As if the water does not flow there, I checked the spit, everything is clean.

voice the model!

Bosch SPS 58 M 98

And what - sometimes he doesn't return from work?

may come late enough and, referring to fatigue, say that he will install tomorrow / the day after tomorrow (and I'm already waiting for the machine from the 13th)

Bosch SPS 58 M 98

You have a search problem. In 2 minutes in Ukraine I found the Operation Manual, here in Ukrainian:

🔗

In Russian, try to find it yourself ...

[Kapet]

Kapet, Thank you so much. Today I rather had a problem with time (really, really, I was not banned in Google), I quickly found a couple of links (in Russian), but there were no instructions + the child was always distracting.

[Yana]

Yana, the child is sacred! Sorry for the arrogant arrogant tone!

On the Russian site, to get support (and instructions), it seems like you need to register your device: 🔗... Try it, if you have time ...

Hello, help with advice, please. I have a hotpoint ariston adls 7 dishwasher, the machine does not wash the dishes, it pours in water, then an itchy sound appears, but the rocker arms do not spin, I cleaned the rocker arms and the drain filter, I read that this could be a problem

[Galya13]

Galya13. Call the master, it looks like a circulation pump.

Thank you, can there be a reason for insufficient voltage in the network? And how can you check this pump yourself? We don't live in a city, it's expensive to call