Problem situations in the operation of dishwashers

Wait when it will be. Wash the dishes with your hands .. There are not enough tablets for my dishwasher, I also have to put salt, we have bad water.
The problem is and not only in the formation of plaque on the dishes. Due to the lack of salt, the dishwasher itself suffers, something in it breaks down.

Oh, this white coating on the dishes !! Itself long suffered with this problem! Salt in the car is a must, especially with bad water.

So I was convinced that I will not go out on pills alone.

I also gave up pills for a very long time. Now only powder + salt + softening agent. It is also cheaper.

Yes, cheaper, I agree with you. I have Finish powder and Finish rinse. But while there is no salt, I sent the powder to the shelf.

[Bijou]

People, help!
This is the second time the detergent flap does not open during washing. The day before, I noticed that it clicked somehow late, and when I took out the dishes, the powder remained dripping along the wall.
Today I already watched, more than an hour of the cycle has passed (2.20), I opened it, the hatch is closed. I switched it on again. Opened now ...
Lena, Bijou, where are you, my wise little head?

[marinastom]

marinastom, oh, honey, how can I help you? If the mechanism is broken there, then it is necessary to the master. I don't even really know why it opens at all - either by time from the start of the program, or after reaching the desired temperature .. By the way, Does the machine really heat water? What car? At Bosch it drives off to the side, and at Lux it leans back, I don't know anything else.))

If the car washes with you, then you can adapt after a set time to open the door and throw the powder inside at the start of the main wash. Some more, right at the start, a tablet is simply thrown into the chamber, it dissolves during washing and there are no problems. But the pill is not washed in short programs.

But if the tray still opens sometimes, then its mechanism cannot be irrevocably broken, I think ...
I'll go look for what smart people told me about the device about the feeder a year or two ago. ))

Advise what to do? How to remove plaque? I'm afraid that while I buy the salt, the plaque will not be washed off later.

Everything will go away after adding salt, don't worry. Maybe not right away, but it will go away. And to make it faster - change the hardness settings to the maximum for the first time. Washes in 3-4 or after the disappearance of plaque, return to normal.

If there is no salt from the word at all, but you need to use the machine, well, pour a glass of ordinary pure salt there, or something .. Anyway, with our water, the machine pumps a monstrous amount of dirt through the ion exchanger, nothing fatal will happen from a couple of new milligrams))

And, girls, you should not blame the lack of salt or poor-quality salt for the malfunction of the ion exchanger - tap water is full of substances that are quite detrimental to the resin balls. In particular, dissolved iron. No salt will push it back. ((

Thank you.

Does the machine really heat water? What car? Bosch drives off to the side

Bosch. The water definitely warms!
I'll try to talk to my washing master. It seems that he whips in the sinks.

I called. He said that there is a solenoid. Sho tse take ?! If it happens again, it will heal.

[marinastom]

marinastom, this is what I found:



It's kind of like a picture of a feeder device.

Here is the start of the discussion

There is one solenoid, and cunning little white levers: once click - the powder compartment opened, the second click - rinse aid.

And here is the discussion of the work itself, if the link is not rubbed.) Https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/s-image/545/topic.cgi?id=47:11717:207#207

It is necessary, not? Maybe to which man to show?)) But on YouTube it seems there are vidyashki for disassembly and repair.
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Oh, you already ?? And I brought you about the solenoid, for this word in the subject and I was looking, in a smart one !!

washing flap does not open during washing

Marina, did you fix this problem in the MRP? If so, tell me why this happened?

I guess the salts are accumulating or something. Eliminated, herself - she snapped open-close the lid several times and drove it off with decalcification once. Bye, like, t-t-t!

Eliminated, herself

In my PPM it was a couple of times that the container did not partially open, but I understood why, I just put the dishes in such a way that something just mechanically prevented the lid from opening, that's all. Look, maybe you don't have any problems.

With me, in principle, nothing can interfere with the opening, if only something is crammed into the tablet holder. But I won't get to that, I hope.

Girls, I'll ask you here too, tell me where salt is regulated in Beko machines

[Natalia]

where the salt in Beko machines is regulated

Nataliaand how should it be regulated? My friend's PMM CENTURY, I don't remember what she would somehow regulate salt. Salt is simply poured into the container and that's it. Periodically you need to drop in and fill up. Or is it something different?

Yes, Ilmira, if a white bloom remains, then you need to add salt consumption, but I have it, but I won't find where to twist

Added Saturday 03 Dec 2016 03:37 PM

I haven't replenished salt since the summer, but in the former Kaiser, I fell asleep once every 2 months, there was no plaque

you need to add salt consumption

Ah .. well, since the car consumes it quickly, then there is only one way out - to add more often. It seems to me that all these consumables for PMM are already in all households. shops, ask around and you will definitely find.

You don’t understand, on the contrary, it’s not used for me .. I need to increase the consumption so that there are no white spots, but I don’t know where this is done.

You do not understand, on the contrary, it is not consumed for me .. I need to increase the consumption so that there are no white spots, but I don’t know where this is done

Look, what's the matter ... I think a master is needed to identify the reason for the non-use of salt by the machine and eliminate this reason, perhaps something is clogged somewhere. I have never had this (pah-pah-pah). Maybe because I periodically buy a cleaner for the machine itself and rinse it empty.

Girls, I'll ask you here too, tell me where the salt is regulated in Beko machines

As far as I know, in two places at once - in the menu and a turntable on the bunker.

I have pmm beko, now the salt and rinse aid indicator is constantly on, but I use pills, so I scored, let them burn. When there was powder, I added salt and added rinse aid. Didn't understand how to regulate salt with a turntable? Is there only half a turn?

Girls, I'll ask you here too, tell me where salt is regulated in Beko machines

Requires instructions for your PMM. It should describe the steps for setting the hardness value of your water in the PMM. Depending on the set hardness, the machine spends one or another dose of salt to rinse the ion exchanger.

I will quote:
The dishwasher has an ion exchanger to keep it working properly. This is the reservoir that contains the chlorine ion resin. Water, passing through such an ion exchanger, leaves magnesium and potassium ions in it, and thus becomes purified and softer. And what, then, is salt for?
To replenish the ion exchanger with chlorine ions, a salt (NaCl) containing chlorine is added to it. Negative chlorine ions attract positive ions such as magnesium. Thus, the cleaning system works.

That is, in order to increase the salt consumption, it is necessary to set a higher water hardness in the PMM setting.Which one depends on the parameters of your water.

To replenish the ion exchanger with chlorine ions, a salt (NaCl) containing chlorine is added to it. Negative chlorine ions attract positive ions such as magnesium. Thus, the cleaning system works.

What a charm .. And I always thought that the workers are on the contrary, sodium ions.
You must be so delusional ...

I, of course, am not an ace in chemistry. I would say that chemistry is my weakest point.

But for dotting "and" I will place this picture. Here, even the most meager knowledge seems to be enough to understand the process, right?

[Bijou]

Bijou,

[redleafa]

redleafa, uh?
According to the first formula, we see cation exchange, where bicarbonate (let calcium) from water adds its calcium + ion to an ion (radical) cationic (because cations, that is, positively charged ions, are exchanged) resins. The liberated Sodium + cation turns into soda ash and enters the washing chamber with water, while the Calcium + cation remains on the resin.

Not wrong?

According to the second regeneration formula, we see:
Calcium on resin is washed with sodium chloride sodium chloride. Now Sodium + clings to the resin, and the displaced Calcium + combines with the released Chlorine - anion and forms calcium chloride, which is drained into the sewer.

Like so.

That is, chlorine has only one use - to turn into calcium chloride and go to waste.
But not

Chlorine ions in the resin in the ion exchanger take calcium from the water, the amount of which in the water determines the hardness of the water.

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If I am fundamentally mistaken about something, please correct it, I like to learn.

[Bijou]

Bijou, (I couldn't find a smiley face, sorry) ...

[redleafa]

redleafa,
Yes, I myself looked through a search engine half of the words. For example, I only found out about calcium chloride today, before that I did not bother at all about what the second half of the salt turns into.

But the most interesting thing about these formulas is that the reactions are reversible. I was already skeptical about statements like “ah-ah, if the resin is not regenerated, it will die”, sincerely not understanding what the difference is with whose ion it exists, with calcium or sodium.

[Bijou]

Bijou, Lena, you love to study - get it !!! There is a small mistake. NaHCO₃you are talking about is not soda ash. Soda ash is sodium carbonate Na₂CO₃... NaHCO₃ - drinking (baking) soda.

[mirtatvik]

mirtatvik, oh, exactly, I "lost".
However, in hot water, drinking will still turn into calcined? Or not? * God, how I hate chemistry ...

[Bijou]

Bijou, Lena, you have hydrocarbonate in the equation, but these are trifles. The main thing is that you write everything correctly. The essence of the ion exchange process is that sodium ions Na⁺ "washed out" from the resin, and calcium ions Ca²⁺ and magnesium ions Mg²⁺ "linger" in the resin. This reduces the hardness of the water, because the hardness of the water is determined by the concentration of these ions.
And I really love chemistry!

And I really love chemistry!

* firmly grabbed the sleeve * So in what (our home) conditions baking soda turns into soda ash (I know about calcination). ))

[Bijou]

Bijou, Lena, it seems to me that in aqueous solutions this process is very doubtful.
Yes, on ignition: 2NaHCO₃ = Na₂CO₃ + CO₂ + H₂O.
In hot aqueous solutions (due to the passage of hydrolysis), hydrocarbonates are predominantly formed.
Bicarbonates are converted to carbonates only in an alkaline environment: NaHCO₃ + NaOH = Na₂CO₃ + H₂O.

Bijou, Lena, it seems to me that this process is very doubtful in aqueous solutions.

We'll have to believe. )

But after all, they constantly write about the dough that when the amount of soda exceeds the amount of acid for its "repayment" when heated, it turns into calcined, which is why the products take on a soapy taste and an unpleasant odor. It's true? After all, the dough is also wet, that's what I mean.

Lena, when it comes to dough, the amount of water there is very small. Excess baking soda when heated in the oven will actually turn into soda ash, which will explain the "soapy" taste.
You asked for a "household" example of converting hydrocarbonate into carbonate. I came up with it. If you take baking soda and pour "Shumanita" into it, you will get what you ordered.

Converting baking soda to soda ash by means of caustic soda? Hmm .. there's definitely something about that!

What a charm .. And I always thought that the workers are on the contrary, sodium ions.
You must be so delusional ...

Of course sodium ...

I just had no luck with the search. A number of resources persistently assert (or rather repeat the same nonsense from the same source) that it is chlorine that works in the ion exchanger. Google for interest "To replenish the ion exchanger with chlorine ions, add a salt (NaCl) containing chlorine."

[Kapet]

Kapet, of course, it happens ...
But we stopped this nonsense! At least on this forum.))
And so there is enough ignorant everywhere, in the network and not such "pearls" can be found.

[Bijou]

Bijou,

Hello guru pmm! I'm trying to make friends with the new Siemens PMM. In use for a month. Finish salt, powder, rinse aid. The water is hard, we installed main filters (5 microns and sodium cation-softening ion-exchange with resin) and set the salt to maximum. Mine for eco. The result is excellent. For the sake of interest, I tried the finish pills a couple of times. A friend made me buy a cheap nouname powder. A few minutes after starting the program in PMM, there is water and a cap of foam in the pan, so it should be ??? Sorry, the first one is mine))) In general, I got scared, I stopped the program, I scooped up the water and turned on the rinsing for 15 minutes. I disassembled the filter, removed the pump impeller plug, it is clean and empty. Water drains properly. What was it? And even at the very beginning of the program - the start of the drain and then some kind of howling short, xs, was it right away, maybe this compartment with the powder opens? In general, I'm something nervous and scared, I want to talk about it

[Whitesnow]

Whitesnow, Alina, it is better not to take the powder as a rinse aid, I have been using Somat 2.5 kg for a very long time, the canister is enough for several years. I don’t understand why you climbed into the PMM after the start, and there should be foam, only very little.

And at the very beginning of the program, the start of the drain and then some howling short

In general, everything is fine, at the beginning of the wash, the pumping pump turns on, when it drives out the remaining water that accumulates in the drain pipes, it can make sounds because it is not adapted to work without water.
PS in your case, the water has undergone preliminary softening, salt can be reduced.

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, changed the salt to 4. The nouname powder went into the trash bin and returned to the finish line.

[Alina]

A few minutes after starting the program in the PMM, there is water and a cap of foam in the pan, so it should be ??

foam should be, just a little

Alina, it is correct that they threw it away and do not regret it!
I also have Siemens, however, compact. It is VERY sensitive to powder. By the way, "Somat soda effect", in cans of 2.5 kilograms, does not suit me either.
Powders that form a lot of foam eventually cause the aquastop to operate, the machine has to be dried for weeks to get it working again. After we tried to drain the water from the inner sump ourselves and flew into major repairs at half the cost of the machine, I only use Finish, put it in a little and wash it on the hottest program.

Powders that form a lot of foam in the end cause the aquastop to operate, the machine has to be dried for weeks to make it work again

I have the same story with Zanussi

[Alina]

Alina, it is correct that they threw it away and do not regret it!
I also have Siemens, however, compact. It is VERY sensitive to powder.By the way, "Somat soda effect", in cans of 2.5 kilograms, does not suit me either.
Powders that form a lot of foam eventually cause the aquastop to operate, the machine has to be dried for weeks to get it working again. After we tried to drain the water from the inner sump ourselves and flew into major repairs at half the cost of the machine, I only use Finish, put it in a little and wash it on the hottest program.

A friend of Bosch's, she washes Sanit like this from inexpensive ones, everything is fine with the foam
And don't recommend Somat, right? I also have a 45 cm machine.
And how is the self-draining of water from the pallet connected with the repair? What happened?

Added Wednesday 08 Feb 2017 11:03

Just a share on this Somat, I thought to buy it, well, and there are a lot of fairy pills to try, it's too inconvenient to fill in the powder, even with a dispenser.

[Alina]

Alina, yes, this Sanit is also suitable for my car. He washes a little worse than the Finish, but costs MUCH cheaper. So I alternate.
With Somat, the aquastop worked for the first time. The machine was under warranty, the master came, pushed the machine out of the niche (I have a semi-recessed one), tilted it slightly and water flowed out from somewhere below. Then he disassembled the machine, said that there were traces of foam in the inner tray, and advised to put less powder. But I didn’t manage to put in so little Somat that the aquastop would not work, so I threw it (this Somat) away.
The big bad happened on Paklan powder. The aquastop worked, they dried the car for a week - it did not work. Since the warranty had already expired, the husband pulled the machine out of the niche, as the master always did, tilted it and drained the water. But, apparently, he tilted too much, water got on the electronics and everything was cut out. I had to call a master for my own money and change several electronic blocks.
The master told me that since the machine is small, do not experiment with the powder anymore, put it no more than a teaspoon, and so that everything is well washed and the machine does not overgrow with fat - wash on the hottest program. I follow these recommendations and for half a year (TTT) there are no problems.
The master categorically did not recommend pills for my typewriter - with them, the probability of an overdose increases very much.

[SvetaI]

SvetaI, the hottest program I have is 70, I’m afraid to wash something on it all the time - some of my dishes are made of glass. I washed pots on it a couple of times.