Alenka212
Not asbestos, but its dust is dangerous. Our gas boiler pipe is also laid in an asbestos pipe. There is no other way. The main thing is that dust does not form and spread from it.
Natalyushka
I can only recommend BOSH, it has been making me happy for several years
gala10
Quote: TaTa *

Asbestos in the apartment? Aren't you afraid?
Based on the results of comprehensive scientific studies of carcinogenic substances, the International Agency for Research on Cancer has classified asbestos in the first, most dangerous category of the list of carcinogens for which there is reliable information about their carcinogenicity to humans.
An asbestos sheet, glued with a heat-resistant material, is in a closed place. Dust from it does not get into the air in any way.
Taia
Quote: Witch

Can you please tell me if it is possible to install the PMM close to the gas stove, I use the oven once every half a year, but during cooking in the oven, the stove heats up from all sides, will it harm the PMM because there is no other place for it (
It's worth it here. The distance between the stove and the dishwasher is about 1.5 cm. The stove is new and does not heat up much outside, it is tolerable for the hand, our previous Soviet-made stove was much hotter outside during the oven operation.
Dishwasher selection (2)
Alenka212
Taia, thanks for the photo! And I was thinking where to attach the multicooker. I don't like it when technology hangs out on the desktop. And the almost unused stove is idle!
Taia
The multicooker stands on a large cutting board, I don't know how to determine the material of the board - not hard plastic, a little soft, milky in color, the thickness of the board is about 1 cm .. And since the board went under the cartoon, I bought another one of this size. I really like boards made of this material, I only have such.
I like that the cartoon is on the stove for many reasons, one important of which is under the hood
Alenka212
Today someone will go to the stove ... True, you have to clean up while the first one warms up. I will pump up my hands
Taia
And I am not removing the multicooker. It remains so, I cook on the free burner on the right. Sometimes, which is very rare, if I cook something intensively on the stove, then I clean it.
Kokoschka
Quote: Natalyushka

I can only recommend BOSCH, it has been making me happy for several years

Natalyushka, what is the VAVS model?
Anya
Apparently it's not my destiny to buy a PM BOSCH SPS40E02EU, for the second time I tried to buy, and then the bank does not give a loan, then some other garbage in the store, then the store winds up more insurance and commission. I decided to look at another PM store, but already BEKO DFS 2531.the price is slightly less, but there are more functions
sazalexter
Anya At the expense of Beko, I would have thought a hundred times, in more detail above.
Witch
My BOSHECHKA arrived, damn it, she is beautiful as I used to live without her !!!!!
Vinochek
Quote: Witch

My BOSHECHKA arrived, damn it, she is beautiful as I used to live without her !!!!!
Congratulations! let it serve for a long time!
Valyushechka_ya
Quote: Vinochek

It was I Ordered, brought, everything is super! Model BOSCH SMV 53L10EU / Took for 4200 with delivery and cash on delivery. Came 2 days after ordering.
I'll tell you more. They have their own guarantee, as they have their own network of service centers. The machine gave an error E24 here - clean the filters or check the pump. It did not work out on my own (the filters were clean, but I did not climb to the pump). I called the service, they told me that they would contact me within an hour. After 15 minutes, they called me back from the service of MY city and arrived the next day. Cleaned it up completely. It turned out to be a limescale (we did something with the water, cleaned it, or that, in general, everyone complained about its quality). In general, I lived without a typewriter for 1 day. Now everything is super!
If you need to throw off the link in a personal.
Vinochek, if you can, throw off my link to the store.
Galya13
Girls, take me into your ranks, now I am a woman, not a dishwasher))) Santa Claus gave me Hotpoint ariston adls 7, here we will connect today and we will try))), oh, scary, but I reread the pages in Temka, I hope the result will not upset me
gala10
Galya13, countrywoman! Congratulations! It's great that we can make our continuous housework a little easier. My friends have the same machine, they are very happy, so let's hope that your technique won't let you down either.
Happy New Year!
Annutka
Congratulations! A wonderful gift! Let your assistant only make you happy!
I also have a new thing, changed the furniture in the kitchen and bought a built-in Siemens SN66M094 machine. The second day I am not overjoyed at her. Before that there was a typewriter Indesit, I liked it very much, but it ceased to fit under the furniture.

fronya40
Congratulations!!! I try to buy all the time and stop! like my dishes, I want to buy right away, I try to buy and dissuade myself, there are two of us, but the dishes are always full of washing .... eternal dialemmas in my head - desktop or floor? and then she thought again ...
Taia
There are two of us in the family too. But the dishwasher is full at the end of the day.
Probably better than a floor-standing one, it is more spacious, but still the choice depends on the availability of space for a dishwasher.
Ledka
There are two of us too. And now 3 weeks with the dishwasher. I had no idea that this is such beauty! I just entered at 45. And I fill with something all the time
fronya40
thanks for the advice. Definitely need a floor ... you convinced me ... narrow ...
Galya13
Girls, thanks a lot! and Happy New Year to you!
gala10
fronya40, do not even hesitate! If you have what to buy and where to bet, then - no options. Without PMM - it's all the same as without a washing machine, and it's unlikely that any of us will agree to this. And having used PMM, you won't give up on it.
Valyushechka_ya
Quote: fronya40

Congratulations!!! I try to buy all the time and stop! like my dishes, I want to buy right away, I try to buy and dissuade myself, there are two of us, but the dishes are always full of washing .... eternal dialemmas in my head - desktop or floor? and then she thought again ...
fronya, of course, floor-standing, at 5 o'clock at night I bought myself a narrow delta for my anniversary, I really like the baking sheets and the dishes are class after washing, budgetary but I like it, I have been using it for 2 months now and I am not happy, we live together with my husband on weekends there are children.
fronya40
Valyushechka, here I am looking at this little thing! and which one, her number?
* Anyuta *
Girls, everyone who bought such a wonderful gift for themselves - congratulations! This is a great gift that will pay off in the very near future.

Anyone who still doubts - away doubts aside! Do not hesitate to buy yourself a PMM !!!
Annutka
Quote: * Annie *


Anyone who still doubts - away doubts aside! Do not hesitate to buy yourself a PMM !!!

That's for sure!

At one time, I also thought about which typewriter to take, floor or desktop. We took a floor 45ku, but not built-in. And in connection with the change of furniture, the husband and son unanimously said that if they were to be changed for an installation, then only for 60k, with which I dutifully agreed.
Valyushechka_ya
Quote: fronya40

Valyushechka, here I am looking at this little thing! and which one, her number?
DISHWASHER DELFA DDW-4510 there are 2 baskets and 3 for forks, spoons and small things. I highly recommend, the sisters visited me for the anniversary already for the new year washing the dishes.
* Anyuta *
Quote: Annutka

And in connection with the change of furniture, the husband and son unanimously said that if they were to be changed for an installation, then only for 60k, with which I dutifully agreed.

60 is the best option, but if there is no room for it, then 45 will also be a joy ...
After all, the main thing here is not the size, but the very presence of the PMM!
Taia
There is a smiley about a slow cooker, about a bread maker. I also need one for the dishwasher, I hug her like that every day. Well, I love her very much, more than all other cuisines. assistants.
* Anyuta *
And because we use MV or HP in a day or two, and PMM - practically every day!
Vinochek
Congratulations to everyone on your assistant!
Our godfather decided to give his wife to NG. We chose with him, ordered and while we were staying with them we brought her. The wife was crazy about happiness. True, only 45 cm fit into them, but this is a HELP!
* Anyuta *
Which car did you choose? Bosch?
Vinochek
Yes, Anya. The model is now definitely not remember something SPV43M10EU. By the way, they ordered from the same site as me. It turned out to be a pure German!
AUV
Girls need help. No sound insulation in the apartment (new building). With the move, I forgot how to put HP at night. Advise a quiet PM (this is the main requirement). The quietest thing I found in the net is neff, only 39 dB, but 38000 seems to me too expensive, or am I wrong? Maybe someone has met other quiet cars?
Vinochek
Bosch 41. Yes, in principle, now everything is quiet. Siemens is Bosch's brother (or sister?), But cheaper.
Bijou
Quote: AUV

Girls need help. No sound insulation in the apartment (new building). With the move, I forgot how to put HP at night. Advise a quiet PM (this is the main requirement).
If you buy a built-in, then when it is built in, you can additionally enclose it with sound insulation on all sides for much less money than the manufacturer will do.
AUV
Quote: Bijou

If you buy a built-in, then when it is built in, you can additionally enclose it with sound insulation on all sides for much less money than the manufacturer will do.

Lena, could it be more detailed, I can't even imagine what and how to impose it? It will definitely be a full-size and fully-built machine.
Taia
I was in the family, they have a built-in Siemens dishwasher - you can't hear it at all during work!
Bijou
Bosch and Siemens are one and the same. I have 6 extra. isolation and it is very audible at night. Well, about like a bread maker, yes.))
Behind a closed door, of course, you can hardly hear it, but in the kitchen-studio three meters from the car you can hardly sleep.)) Much depends on the dishes - if a dull, echoing saucepan went into the trash heap, then put out the light, it will only rattle like that.

AUV, sometimes they cover it with ordinary felt, sometimes they buy a special Shumka in stores for soundproofing cars. If I had such a sharp question, then I glued it on all sides - and put it under the door (but then you need to insert it a little more tightly under the tabletop), cover the basement, and add an extra layer on top, and shove it along 6oks if only the width of the tum6y allows ... Basically, it makes noise through the facade and countertop, while neighboring cabinets are extinguished.
Well, it's good to see how the chosen model is arranged in a live store - sometimes 6 budget cars are completely naked, and 6 without felt, and 6 without walls.

Taia
Interesting even. It turns out that Noise depends on the model or what?
I really thought that all Siemens are quiet. I really don't know if the owners put some kind of isolation, but I'm pretty sure not.
And as for the comparison with the noise of a working bread machine, they make noise in different ways. My Panasonic is barely audible, and the previous budget model worked louder. And my working dishwasher Zanussi cannot be compared with a bread maker, Zanussi thunders hoo. ... If only like a bread maker ...
Valyushechka_ya
My freestanding little thing works quietly, but the desktop one works a little noisy for friends.
AUV
Quote: Taia

And as for the comparison with the noise of a working bread machine, they make noise in different ways. My Panasonic is barely audible, and the previous budget model worked louder. And my working dishwasher Zanussi cannot be compared with a bread maker, Zanussi thunders hoo. ... If only like a bread maker ...
So after all, I also have Panasonic, but how to knead at night will begin, all goodbye to sleep. And I sleep very soundly. It's just that we have a huge half-wall opening between the kitchen and the bedroom, so we sleep practically in the kitchen, and even the interior walls are made of aerated concrete. You can communicate with neighbors from above without raising your voice ... This is how they build now
sazalexter
Quote: AUV

only 39 dB,
Still quiet cars AEG 🔗Cleanliness / Built-in_Dishwashers
F99015VI0P, F88060VI0P, total 39 dB, F99015VI1P only 37 dB - hardly louder than a whisper!
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* Anyuta *
My first PMM was with a noise level of 49 dB, the second - 46 dB - the noise difference is just huge! I sleep well with my head where the PMM stands behind the wall. I don't close the doors to the kitchen or the room. I turn on the PMM at night - but I actually don't hear it ... So the value of 40-42 dB is quite possible to take and not worry about the volume of the device.
Vinochek
I have 46 dB, fully recessed, the kitchen is combined with the room - only the shutdown signal is heard. I often turned on the PMM and did something in the kitchen, so I even have to look to see if it works, since the noise is only at the beginning when drawing water.
Vinochek
I forgot, although it is built-in, it costs separately and is not built-in
* Anyuta *
I also don't have a built-in one, and I also sometimes glance at the display ...
I have two sound moments: a set of water and an opening of the lid for the powder compartment ...
gala10
* Anyuta *, and what is yours now? I only understand that it is not Veko ...
* Anyuta *
I took myself indesite - it washes 50 times better - without any complaints and "adjustments" .. as the first time I set the settings - it washes everything perfectly ..
At first I thought that Beko washes badly due to the fact that the powder had been open for a long time (8 months), BUT ... then with the same powder (or rather its remains) I washed the dishes for another 2 weeks and everything was washed with a bang for less amount of time and at a lower temperature ..

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