Dishwasher selection (2)

So, 3 minutes ago they took my Bekoshka ... now I am telling you an epic, 8 months long ...

We wait!

What happened

[* Anyuta *]

* Anyuta * Has it really happened Congratulations

[* Anyuta *]

Let me remind you briefly ...
on March 8 I asked for a PMM as a gift .. I chose for a long time, according to reviews from the site it was decided to take a full-size PMM model 6530 ...
We bought it, brought it, installed it a week after the purchase ... I used it for less than a week and then on the short program I started a glitch ...
After describing the problem and detailed stories about what and how I leave the post ... and a dialogue goes on ...

I don’t know this ... but when I open the machine at the end of the program, steam comes out of the machine - maybe this is from drying? And if it doesn't warm, then what?

Sasha answers me ...

* Anyuta * Clearly, it warms the water and dries, the problem means in the "brains".

According to theory, drying is not provided at all on fast programs.

yeah .. exactly ... there, after rinsing, the program ends immediately ... it's me the brake .. but on other programs it is not displayed ...

At that time, I looked at the detailed description of the program according to the instructions on the internet ... then I asked for a long time what and how ... and only after another rereading of my correspondence with Sasha and Zhenya, I noticed ... after all, on the 1st program, I also have drying ... because the dishes are absolutely dry - this became the main argument in the forensic examination .. and only thanks to this I won the case !!!!!
Then I cite an excerpt from the court opinion (the court asked several questions, but here is what I needed):
Are there any drawbacks in the PMM VEKO 6530 resulting from a software (software) failure, indicate the reason that caused the software failure, and also indicate whether the information contained in the technical documentation corresponds to the installed software

As a result of testing the provided PMM, the following shortcomings were revealed:

• The information contained in the "Instructions ...." does not correspond to the installed software ......
  Incorrect software operation - on various programs ... they do not provide reliable information about the current stage of the program execution process ...
  This defect is a manufacturing defect, it arose not as a result of a software failure, but as a result of a flaw in the development of a software product, .....
  

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where there is an ellipsis - there was also text - to write for a long time ... if someone needs it, then I'll post the photo ...
In short, to put it simply, the software in the CENTURY was originally written "clumsily" ... that is, with a certain combination of functions, a completely different program starts and runs (that is, in fact, not the one you launched, but a completely different program) .. ..

PySy ... I don’t know if it will be correct to describe how much money was awarded to me, but I can say that the store "hit" specifically ... The amount of damage, at least according to our calculations, was more than 60,000 rE ... Well, something like that So...
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[* Anyuta *]

* Anyuta *What a fine fellow you are for bringing this matter to a victorious end! Congratulations! Now you buy yourself a normal PMM and you will enjoy life!

For perseverance and patience

Girls! Dear, please tell me if it is possible to wash 3-liter cans in PMM, if possible in which model. Well, there is absolutely no time to study all the topics. I live in a village, the Internet is weak.

I wash ALL cans. 3L - in the lower basket. All mine on the program, which is suitable for the rest of the filling of the PMM. If only banks, then the fast mode.

Girls! Dear ones, please tell me if it is possible to wash 3-liter cans in PMM, if possible in which model.Well, there is absolutely no time to study all the topics. I live in a village, the Internet is weak.

You can wash cans .. in any PMM model ... ONLY you need to look so that the pins fold in the lower basket, then it will be more convenient to place the cans ... I wash 6 cans at a time in a full-size one ... in a narrow one, most likely you will wash cans less - you need to find out the exact number of girls who have narrow cars ..

Thank you very much, and I will be happy to be free from washing cans and other dishes

[Anyuta]

Anyuta, well done! Congratulations! So much strength and perseverance! Have you already looked at the new PMM?

[Anyuta]

Anyuta, well done! Congratulations! So much strength and perseverance! Have you already looked at the new PMM?

Yes, perseverance to me ...
You know, but at one point I was somehow even upset and I think, well, everything ... like all the machines are all like that (with inaccurate operating time) ... then a thought struck me ... but the time is different in washing machines .. BUT ... after all, there are maximum permissible values ​​of the deviation of the value, well, that is, roughly speaking, when buying any product there is often an inscription: "plus / minus 5 or 10% ".. after this thought, I carried out a wash on different programs with different parameters of the "salt level" ... then I sat and calculated - how much in% is this deviation for each wash - this information was taken to court ...

By the way, choosing a typewriter for several days, I also read the instructions for them ... (although according to previous experience in the CENTURY, the information from the site in the instructions differs from the attached instructions) - by the way, this was also reflected in the examination ... So, what am I for all this .. while reading the instructions of the next PMM (Hotpoint-Ariston) I really liked the information provided not only about laboratory studies, but also about real ones, that is, with loaded dirty dishes ... And in one instruction I even found numbers: a deviation from the figures provided should be only 10% (maximum) ....

By the way, thanks also to the judge - the golden woman was caught ... May God grant her health ... she told me a lot of things to read ... For example, the plenum of the Supreme Court from last year, and so it says that if a technically complex product has these technical characteristics in the attached documentation do not coincide with real data - this is already a violation of the RFP law, since the buyer is initially misled, which is already a reason for terminating the contract for the sale of goods ... Well, something like this ...
Yesterday I paid ... ... somewhere in a week they should bring it ... I'm waiting now ...

Yesterday I paid ... ... somewhere in a week they should bring it ... I'm waiting now ...

all is well that ends well!

[ElenaN]

ElenaN, after all, the more correct option is to donate one of the bedside tables near the sink. If this seems completely impossible, you need to accept a little (if you use it) and weigh the pros and cons again. If it didn't work out, repeat the procedure. There are many examples here on the forum, when, as a result, there was enough space for the PMM.
In principle, it is possible to pull 5 meters of communication, but this is the most extreme case. Water and electrics are no problem, at least twenty meters. There is a limitation on the length of the drain hose - 4 m. But with ordinary sewer pipes of 50 mm, you can bring the connection point closer to the reachable distance.

Now I know for sure - the main thing is to have a strong desire and dreams come true. I put one bedside table on the other side (it even stands there very well) and now I play pottery. We bought a Bosch 45 cm, I really like it, although I still can't put the dishes the first time, I thought that I had "two" plates, but I always load a full car, perhaps there is more steel

is there more steel

I don’t know about eating, but they are happy to get the dishes dirty.

[HANSA ZWM656IH]

Girls, I also want to buy hmm. The choice fell on HANSA ZWM656IH
Condensing drying type, Load for 12 sets, 6 programs, timer, protection against leaks, Salt / rinse aid indicator, use of 3 in 1 products, salt / rinse aid indicator, height-adjustable basket for dishes, accessories glass holder.
But this is not.
Automatic setting of water hardness - no
Indicator "Beam on the floor" - no
What are these options for?

Does anyone have this company? How does it work? Is it worth taking or not?
Outwardly, I really liked it (like the rest of the stainless steel technique), but for me it also means something ...
The maximum budget is 15,000 rubles.

I don’t know about eating, but they are happy to get the dishes dirty.

Exactly, exactly, I'm looking for something else to wash

But this is not.
Automatic setting of water hardness - no
Indicator "Beam on the floor" - no
What are these options for?

According to the description, the normal PMM.
Automatic setting of stiffness - I don't know if it's needed. In your area, the water is hard, you can adjust the salt level yourself.
A beam on the floor is needed only in a fully-built PMM, but this model is free-standing, its time must be reflected on the control panel - the beam is not needed.
About reliability - as with any other brand - how lucky! But no one seems to have complained yet ...

Tell me who has this Bosch SPV 69 T 70 RU?
Confused only by the price

Tell me who has this Bosch SPV 69 T 70 RU?
Confused only by the price

I have a twin of this model only Siemens bought a month ago a European woman at a very good price for 670 dollars I really like the display on the floor very conveniently you can always see at what stage of the wash I use the powder on the floor of the norm it is convenient that there is a lowering of the dividers as there are constantly pans on the bottom of the pan on the intensive zone if you have any questions, write

Hello! Tell me, can someone have a Bosch SMS40D32EU dishwasher, how is it used? I have had a similar budgetary Bosch model for 5 years already, it washes very well, I am satisfied. Now we need another one for parents, and I think if the quality of inexpensive Bosch dishwashers has become worse. Thank you.

By the way, thanks also to the judge - the golden woman was caught ... May God grant her health ... she told me a lot of things to read ... For example, the plenum of the Supreme Court from last year, and so it says that if a technically complex product has these technical characteristics in the attached documentation do not coincide with the real data - then this is already a violation of the RFP law, since the buyer is initially misled, which is already a reason for terminating the contract for the sale of goods ...

That's for sure. Many judges are lucky when they see articles of the law on consumer protection at the basis of the claim, they already lose their temper. I think we just want to rip poor sellers off ...

Clever girl who reached the end!

And with a new purchase! Good luck!

Girls, does anyone have a PM Bosch SPS 40E02EU? Share your experience.

Girls, does anyone have a PM Bosch SPS 40E02EU? Share your experience.

I have one. Anya, tell me what exactly interests you, otherwise I'll start to tell you ...
The model is good. The manufacturer is really Germany. At first, I scolded her, because my friend and I bought two at the same time - I this one, and she is a full-size Veko. She has a program called "quick and clean" - this is clean dishes in an hour. Yes, and all the elephants are included there. And in my program for 2.5 - 3 hours. The one "fast", only 30 minutes, but it was written "no drying". A week later, I already figured out that it was not without drying, but there is still drying, the so-called "condensate", that is, you don't need to open it right away, you have to wait a little. As a result, I also have it quickly and cleanly, and in less than an hour. But on the quick program, I noticed that it is better to use powder rather than tablets - it also turns out more economically. Washes clean. Even what is folded along the very edges and heaped on top of each other.

I have one. Anya, tell me what exactly interests you, otherwise I'll start to tell you ...
The model is good. The manufacturer is really Germany. At first, I scolded her, because my friend and I bought two at the same time - I this one, and she is a full-size Veko. She has a program called "quick and clean" - this is clean dishes in an hour. Yes, and all the elephants are included there. And in my program for 2.5 - 3 hours. The one "fast", only 30 minutes, but it was written "no drying".A week later, I already figured out that it was not without drying, but there is still drying, the so-called "condensate", that is, you don't need to open it right away, you have to wait a little. As a result, I also have it quickly and cleanly, and in less than an hour. But on the quick program, I noticed that it is better to use powder rather than tablets - it also turns out more economically. Washes clean. Even what is folded along the very edges and heaped on top of each other.

For two weeks now I have been washing dishes "off the table" - fresh on the mode of at least 45 degrees. I pour the powder not half the norm but 1 / 4-1 / 5 as I fill it up and depending on the number of plates and cups. Enough powder and time. Glass cups are all clean. True, if you immediately get it out, then you need to wipe the wet ones, I take it out when everything is dry and clean. Wet only plastic. small bowls. My pots and pans are already in AUTO mode, but again I turn on the 1/2 load function and Intensive zone for fried dishes. I recommend everyone to try it.

[Viki]

Viki and Elena 65Thank you very much for your consultation.

Girls, can someone tell me. I want to buy pmm. There is only space under the gas hob. Maybe someone is so placed? In the Internet there are different opinions: it is possible and not.

Girls, can someone tell me. I want to buy pmm. There is only space under the gas hob. Maybe someone is so placed? In the Internet there are different opinions: it is possible and not.

Right now we are doing some renovation and planning a new kitchen. Since I myself work in the furniture industry, I can say that so many post - there is nothing wrong with that. My oven will be "raised" into a pencil case, and I plan to put a dishwasher under the 2-burner hob.

Thank you. And how is it necessary to isolate the PMM from the panel?
It's just that some categorically declare that it is impossible to put PMM under the cooktop, others. that isolation is needed. How to do it?

Girls, can someone tell me. I want to buy pmm. There is only space under the gas hob. Maybe someone is so placed? In the Internet there are different opinions: it is possible and not.

Thank you. And how is it necessary to isolate the PMM from the panel?
It's just that some categorically declare that it is impossible to put PMM under the brewhouse, others. that isolation is needed. How to do it?

Perhaps, perhaps, there is a problem with the gas supply to the hob. Judging by the design of their PMM and cooking. But the problem is quite solvable.
No insulation is needed there.

Thank you. And how is it necessary to isolate the PMM from the panel?
It's just that some categorically declare that it is impossible to put PMM under the cooktop, others. that isolation is needed. How to do it?

I will have the legs of the bedside tables increased by 5 cm, that is, there will be a gap of about 2-3 cm between the PMM cover and the table top. If the standard height of the pedestals, then the PMM will need to remove the lid, while some of the top is wrapped with film and tape so that various garbage does not collect inside the machine.
I'm talking about detached ones.

But here it is straight that I hear some kind of "isolation" for the first time.

Thank you

Thank you. And how is it necessary to isolate the PMM from the panel?
It's just that some categorically declare that it is impossible to put PMM under the cooktop, others. that isolation is needed. How to do it?

Insulation is needed - steam tends to come out when you open the door, sometimes splashes fly out when you add dishes. I have a Siemens metal overlay, it is installed under the countertop in the area of ​​the dishwasher opening, if I wanted to put the dishwasher under the hob, I would not have enough width of the side - the overlay is wider than the rest of the countertop. Further, the gas for all digesters is connected from the back, but there is one thing - the flexible hose is directed first downward and only then you can twist the corner out of it and press it against the wall. Considering the depth of modern dishwashers and the dimensions of the hobs, I think that the problem will most likely be in the gas hose - it takes up more space than the hob itself and you cannot push the PMM to the required depth under the countertop. I don't advise you to pinch the hose, you never know: girl_cray1: And it is also imperative to treat the cut of the tabletop with some kind of sealant (I have a car putty). The bottom of the cooking room is made of metal, if moisture gets in, it will rust a little.

My friend has these issues resolved next.Thus, the kitchen was made higher than the standard height, a false panel was made above the dishwasher that hides the void for connection, and they made a thin partition between the hob and the PMM, gluing it with foil on an adhesive layer. T. To, she does all the work on the dining table, and on the tabletop there is a technique for her so convenient.

Elena, thank you. I have had a kitchen for several years. Somehow I hadn't thought about a dishwasher before. And now it's on fire, but I can only allocate a place under the cooking stove.

Elena, thank you. I have had a kitchen for several years. Somehow I hadn't thought about a dishwasher before. And now it's on fire, but I can only allocate a place under the cooking stove.

I had a similar problem, the kitchen was 8 years old and I really wanted a dishwasher. For an independent place there is no place at all, the kitchen is angular, everything is designed to see. We decided that it would not work without alteration. We put it in the corner where two swivel baskets were installed, I had to remake the table-case under the sink, changed the tabletop (I needed an additional 2 cm so as not to remove the handles from the neighboring drawers) As a result, now I have a very rational use of the corner, before it was filled up , and was not used and now such a charm. Two retractable devices. It is necessary to see to describe it is difficult to do it yourself. That is, after two weeks of alterations, it turned out to be "sweet" and not a kitchen, and even with a dishwasher. So the advice is, don't give up, there must be a way out. And it may turn out even better than it was.

I have a corner with a sink. It will definitely not fit under it. But we will try under the brewhouse.
It remains to choose a typewriter from Bosch Siemens.
thanks for the support

I have a corner with a sink. It will definitely not fit under it. But we will try under the brewhouse.
It remains to choose a typewriter from Bosch Siemens.
thanks for the support

Is the sink cut into the corner or is it straight closer to the aisle? Bosch Siemens is twins in model and price, so choose a model for filling eg. in Boch and then look at how the analogue is spelled in Siemens and look for what is on sale and cheaper

The sink is cut into the corner. I choose, I choose hmm. I can’t choose.
There are many functions, but all the same they probably use two or three.

There are many functions, but all the same, they probably use two or three.

That's for sure . I only use 2 programs.

I had a similar problem, the kitchen was 8 years old and I really wanted a dishwasher. For an independent place there is no place at all, the kitchen is angular, everything is designed to see. We decided that it would not work without alteration. We put it in the corner where two swivel baskets were installed, I had to remake the table-case under the sink, changed the tabletop (I needed an additional 2 cm so as not to remove the handles from the neighboring drawers) As a result, now I have a very rational use of the corner, before it was filled up , and was not used and now such a charm. Two retractable devices. It is necessary to see to describe it is difficult to do it yourself. That is, after two weeks of alterations, it turned out to be "sweet" and not a kitchen, and even with a dishwasher. So the advice is, don't give up, there must be a way out. And it may turn out even better than it was.

Can I have a photo of your "candy"? And then I'm all in thought. We are going to make a custom-made kitchen. But the most interesting thing: we go to the manufacturers of these kitchens, ask what we want. And we get in the project that is convenient for them

That's for sure . I only use 2 programs.

There are also many programs in the washing machine, but we use more often 2

Can I have a photo of your "candy"? And then I'm all in thought. We are going to make a custom-made kitchen. But the most interesting thing: we go to the manufacturers of these kitchens, ask what we want. And we get in the project that is convenient for them

I also searched for a very long time for a company that would make a kitchen for me as it is convenient for me, and not for them ... I found it!
And I use in PMM too, basically, only two programs.

I don't have a PMM yet, only in plans. The other day we looked at PMM Boshi for built-in and freestanding. I don't know yet, maybe I can order it through the Internet or buy it on my own.

Dear experienced users of PMM, please help me to choose a model.
This will be my first PMM, my friends don't have one either, so all hope is on you! Unfortunately, the budget is limited, I picked up these 3 options: 🔗

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Maybe there are real users of such machines on our forum, well, or look, please, with an experienced eye

[Snusmumrik]

Dear experienced users of PMM, please help me to choose a model.
This will be my first PMM, my friends don't have one either, so all hope is on you! Unfortunately, the budget is limited, I picked up these 3 options: 🔗

🔗

🔗.
Maybe there are real users of such machines on our forum, well, or look, please, with an experienced eye

Snusmumrik, I can say about Electrolux. After 2 weeks of use, this machine stopped working. The electronic unit flew. But I was just not lucky. My friends have been plowing exactly the same for 5 years, and everything is fine. Now I have Bosch, mmm, it works fine.

Thank you! but on Bosch, alas, until finances are enough, and I just hate washing dishes with my hands

[Snusmumrik]

Snusmumrik Do not take Indesite, the rest, more or less from the budget. Electrolux-Zanussi one company

sazalexter, thanks! Are there any peculiarities in the programs, baskets? I am quite a teapot in this matter, I do not know what will be most important and in demand.

Everything suited me in Electrolux! In Bosch, everything is about the same ... They differ little in function. I mostly use the Auto mode and the short 30 min.