Dishwasher selection (2)

[* Anyuta *]

* Anyuta *, well, God grant that this assistant never let you down!

[* Anyuta *]

* Anyuta * thanks for the tip, otherwise I bought it for two more months and it’s still worth it. And the kitchen will turn out to be made in a month and a half (I hope)

Well, that's all, thanks to you and our forum, I ordered PMM today !!!! long - a whole year - decided - it is necessary, it is not necessary .... but this weekend with a full washing of dishes .. I was just taken out of balance! and the most interesting thing is that there is no one to blame ... after all, the dishes are all because of my culinary experiments ...

I bought the PMM exactly a year ago, on January 3, so this New Year is just relaxing - I did not even notice the volume of dishes requiring washing, so great - I folded it and all! Now I've kneaded a cake, stained a pile of dishes and, with a calm soul, folded it up for washing - a thrill.

[Tanya-Frosya]

Tanya-Frosya Congratulations! And I thought that you would hesitate for a long time.
And what is your choice?

And imagine how offensive it is to me: girl_cray: I have a PMM, but I wash the dishes with my hands. And she stands in the middle of the room, she still can't connect

[Larissa]

Larissa, I somehow during the repair for three days was left without PMM. It was about three years ago. I still remember these three days with a shudder. You quickly get used to good things. So I deeply sympathize with you. Walking around an unconnected PMM is not a test for the faint of heart ...

[gala10]

gala10 Galina, I'm not used to it yet, it's easier for me to go through it

I took myself indesite - it washes 50 times better

Only in this thread it sounded several times: do not buy Indesit!

As you can see, Anyuta bought it and is happy, and we, the owners of Bekoshek, are happy with our assistants. As you can see, whoever is lucky. It's better than hand washing anyway.

I address this primarily to those who doubt the purchase of PMM.

Oh, girls, I tried my beauty, what can I say, everything is just gorgeous, but the pens are still trying to wash the dishes, but I think this habit will soon be eradicated, and that's what is surprising: when I washed the dishes with my hands, I wondered where her mountain came from typed, and now ... something is somehow not enough for an assistant

And imagine how offensive it is to me: girl_cray: I have a PMM, but I wash the dishes with my hands. And she stands in the middle of the room, she still can't connect

What's the problem? When my Boshik was brought to me, I took it out myself, looked at what was missing, legs in hand and ran to the store for a knee. Exactly 5 minutes before closing time. I bought and connected everything! My husband came. Let's connect, and I lowered my eyes and said Yes, I already managed to wash it
In terms of kitchen items, I have no patience at all!

Only in this thread it sounded several times: do not buy Indesit!

It was while reading this topic that I was "led" to Beko - the result is known to everyone ... Now I chose not according to what "EVERYONE has" ... but what suits me exactly in terms of price / color / availability of programs, etc. etc.!
And about "not to buy" - it sounded from Sasha - he is a serviceman - he knows better, but ... when faced with Beko's service, there is no longer any desire to contact this company ..... .. even the MediaMarkt store "cries" from their rudeness and indifference in the Moscow head office ...

And there is really nothing to doubt, if there is a financial opportunity, then we must take!

[Tanya-Frosya]

Tanya-Frosya Congratulations! And I thought that you would hesitate for a long time.
And what is your choice?

thanks, Taya. I myself think - during this time, while I doubted, I could already change it for another ...
I ordered it like Valyushka-Delfa 4510.
now I began to pick up means for washing ... I am really puzzled ... with my hands with soap emway ...

thanks, Taya.I myself think - during this time, while I doubted, I could already change it for another ...
I ordered it like Valyushka-Delfa 4510.
now I began to pick up means for washing ... I am really puzzled ... with my hands with soap emway ...

Are you already washing Tanya? I wash with Finish powder.

[Tanya-Frosya]

Tanya-Frosya You will announce a list of those products that you have on sale. We will advise from it.

I haven't washed it yet, Valya. They will bring it to me 18. They wanted to bring it 12-13, I asked for Saturday 18, suddenly there something does not work out and 13 is Monday, who will take her, we are all at work. So we can tolerate up to 18.
I'm just looking for a phosphate-free agent ... Finish that is.
I'm going to the store today to look. Frosch is definitely there. and Domol.

What to look for if Domol is there. Everyone from Ukraine is happy with it and recommends it.

Well, that means Domol today and buy. Thank you. I found out about its existence only last night - from the Internet)))

I am in a never-ending delight from my dishwasher. Everything seemed that I recently bought, well, about a year ago. I decided to look all the same when I bought it -13.12 2010. It turns out my happiness is more than 3 years old.

Taya, great!
And I finally found a place for her and why I hadn’t seen it before? probably wanted so much ... and now she fits so well))
Now I can't wait)

An interesting opinion about the Gorenje Gorenje dishwashers. For example such 🔗

Now I chose not according to what "EVERYONE has" ... but what suits me exactly in terms of price / color / availability of programs, etc.!

Anyuta, I hope she will only delight! Indesit has worked for me for two years and has never disappointed.
Tanya-Frosya, it's good that you have decided on the typewriter, we are waiting for your feedback!

Girls, since I'm new to dealing with a dishwasher, share your experience, there are 7 programs in my machine: intensive, normal, daily, fast, pre-rinse, economical and crystal, in fact I used normal so far, 1 time intensive and now fast, and how are you? Do you wait all day for the dishes to collect or do you wash immediately? whether you are using half load. As for me, I don’t really want to wait all day until the dishes are ready (dirty dishes are an eyesore), but it’s somehow wrong to use half load all the time, because there are so many programs in the car

Girls, since I'm new to dealing with a dishwasher, share your experience, there are 7 programs in my machine: intensive, normal, daily, fast, pre-rinse, economical and crystal, in fact I used normal so far, 1 time intensive and now fast, and how are you? Do you wait all day for the dishes to collect or do you wash immediately? whether you are using half load. As for me, I don’t really want to wait all day until the dishes are ready (dirty dishes are an eyesore), but it’s somehow wrong to use half load all the time, because there are so many programs in the car

I collect by putting it in the dishwasher and at the end of the day I wash it, whichever is the dish and the program is mostly intensive and fast.

(dirty dishes are an eyesore)

You load them directly into the PMM, I do this. I put it in the car and the car washes at night. (I have a three tariff meter, the night energy tariff is the cheapest)

I also immediately load it into the PMM, and when there is enough, I use either the fast one, if only plates and cups, or the standard one. If not enough dishes are collected in a day, then I use half the load.

and I immediately add everything to the PMM and teach the child to do it. And the sink is empty and the kitchen is in order. And then as mine is filled. Although there are three of us, there never was that the PMM was not filled for a day. Constantly a cup, then a plate. It happens that there are 2-3 plates, and the rest are cups, but still mine. and NOT with your hands!

And I have a small car, sometimes I run it twice a day (family of 3 people) And I don't always wait until it is full, I don't like the smell when the dishes are waiting for a long time in the car.I mainly use the fast program. So what if there are many programs, all sorts of crystal and intensive ones are needed for special occasions, but not for every day.

And I put the dishes in the dishwasher throughout the day, and if there is still an empty space, then I put in the kettle, then the filters from the hood, then the grills from the stove, then the shelves from the refrigerator. And the PM is not semi-empty, and everything is washed regularly. At night, almost always by car.

Girls, when I was reviewing Temka, I saw with one eye how someone wrote that Bosch is good to order in Lviv online stores, can anyone remember which ones?

Also interested in where exactly

Hello, members of the forum! Thanks to this forum, I ordered myself a dishwasher today. They will bring the 12th ... I dreamed for a long time, everyone tried to dissuade me. I don’t know yet where I’ll stick it, but I’m sitting all happy ... And I’ve already read about the means. But that later. It will also be necessary to decide with the connection, etc. ... Again, all my friends will grumble that I have nowhere to put money. But, I hope, then they will envy in silence) Machine - HANSA. READ-READ, all the same kind. And for this one there was an action and the color was silver, as she wanted ... What is more abrupt - there is not enough gunpowder, but even men respond well to this one ... Only the instruction, they say, is very bad ... But, in general, we'll take a look. ..

I mainly use the fast program. So what if there are many programs, all sorts of crystal and intense ...

If you want no problems with the PMM, then you cannot constantly wash the dishes on the fast program. The temperature there is low and while the oily water is rotating there, nozzles, hoses, etc. gradually become clogged with grease. That is, it is necessary to periodically turn on an intensive wash so that the machine does not accumulate dirt in itself.

Lilu, the instructions are not clear in all dishwashers. Either the problem is in translation, or the manufacturer thinks that he can figure out such a simple device "like two fingers on the asphalt." In my desktop Bosch, only two months later I figured out how to set up salt and rinse aid. All by "typing" and comparison (including the taste).

Lily, don't listen to anyone! You will never regret the PMM. When you buy it, only one thought comes to mind: why didn't they buy it before.

[Galina-lga]

Galina-lga, now there is an excellent PMM cleaner from the Finish series, it removes grease and scale. This:

[gala10]

gala10, This is a means for prevention, in severe cases it will not help, only a master, "for a little bit"

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, yes, I agree. So it is not necessary to bring to severe cases. For this - and prevention.

[gala10]

gala10If you do not "save" on dishwashing detergents, do not divide indivisible tablets, pour in the powder at the rate, then prevention in general is not needed. I have been using PMM for more than 7 years, I use the cleaner very rarely, about once every 6 months. It is much more important to regularly clean the mesh filters inside the PMM.

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, yes, I have the same thing, but here's the question: I never put dishes with food debris in the PMM, but such a thin crust forms on the mesh filter. Is it from the water? So salt is used ...

[gala10]

gala10, It looks like you have very hard water, the ion exchanger may not be able to cope. Try changing the detergent to a more alkaline one, the same Finish. Salt only regenerates the ion exchanger, and nothing more. I put the dishes on dirty, there are no pieces of food on them, but I also do not "go out of my mind" do not rinse the dishes after eating.

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, Thank you for reminding. I went and cleaned the mesh filter. I only use the Finish series. And the water, yes, is hard.

Hello everyone in this thread :)
I decided to unsubscribe about my choice. Maybe someone will help.
A long time ago I planned for myself Siemens SN 25E812, its price was very attractive - 19-20 thousand. for the German full-size metal. The forum helped to make sure that there is only one reason to abandon a full-size typewriter - lack of space! Neither the number of family members nor the number of dishes affects in any way.Moreover, the size of the family can increase at any time, and no one canceled the guests. There are two of us, I really like to cook, the kitchen is large (we live on a removable one, but I just don't even consider other kitchens, the walls are crushing, they interfere with creativity :)).
You are allergic to dirty dishes: as soon as you wash everything in order to free the dishes for lunch / dinner, the same set again filled the sink. Hands down, screech hunting
The husband, in principle, does not refuse a request to wash another mountain, but he gets tired too. He immediately supported the idea of ​​a dishwasher also because I like to break dishes when I take apart the dryer. I am also allergic to this action, so it clogs up to the eyeballs and my nervous raking deprives our house of a couple of plates :)
and two of our cats scatter in the corners, because rain from spoons on the head more than once received! Well, isn't that all the reasons for buying a dishwasher? !!!
Our city is small and many consider this device a luxury, there is zero choice in local stores. I considered only online stores in Tver.

So, Siemens looked after disappeared from sale back in November. In two days I called all the stores - "no and will be
it is not known when, Bosch / Siemens suppliers raised their prices "! IN! I had to order a full analogue from the Bosch-sms53n18 line.
They are really absolutely identical! All chips like vario, dosageassist, etc.
Both are Germans. By the way, I think Neff is from the same watering can ...
I also have a Bosch German washing machine, I ordered it by a specialist from Moscow, because we buy such equipment for more than one year, here you have to pay generously. I also got a good price - only 23400!
The only difference I noticed was in design and ergonomics. Minimalism prevails in Siemens. Where Bosch needs one button press, Siemens needs to press a button on the programmer and turn it + press 1 more button. The buttons themselves are too small.
Siemens with a large display, a full set of buttons for each function, like the named Bosch model, cost about 35 thousand. But their noise is higher than that of Bosch, 46 against 49.
So the overpayment will be for the design.
Look at the Bosch manufacturer at the top of the door, where Finish stickers are usually poured.
Siemens is only Germans.
If you have a small family and doubts about 45 or 60 you are overcome, then it is better to take 60 with the 1/2 load function. Do not deprive yourself of the opportunity to download more and more!
A friend has a narrow Ariston, washes with a finish. Family of 3 people. I began to notice unwashed corners inside pots, bowls with steep sides from under the soup. After experimenting with washing modes, it would be concluded that the dishes are overloaded. Now it washes in two passes.

Still, I advise you not to skimp on assembly. Let it be better not to have a large display, the programmer is small and the programs themselves are 4-5 than Chinese plastic with notches, large gaps between parts, a fragile coating and a bunch of bells and whistles. After all, even a piece of plastic - the same lid of the powder compartment, the programmer's spindle, etc., costs a lot of money! You have to order, wait, then give back the very difference that determined your choice between dishwashers at the very beginning.

And take care of your nerves! It’s a sin to spend it on washing glass!
Here I am a chatterbox

With an assistant!

[Vinochek]

Vinochek, Thank you! I feel that as long as she stands packed before the move, I will sleep beside her so as not to be stolen

[First character]

by the way, I found interesting information to decipher the markings on Bosch dishwashers:
First character - always S - spueler, which means dishwasher.

Second character - this is the type and generation of the dishwasher:
R - narrow dishwasher 45 cm wide, previous generation;
P - narrow dishwasher 45 cm wide, new generation;
G - standard dishwasher 60 cm wide, previous generation;
M - standard dishwasher 60 cm wide, new generation;
B - dishwasher 60 cm wide x 86.5 cm high, new generation.
Third character talks about the type of embedding:
S (Solo) - freestanding model;
I (Integriert) - built-in model with an open panel;
V (Vollintegriert) - fully built-in model;
U (Unterbau) is a recessed model with an open panel and its own stainless steel front (not for sale in Russia).
Fourth character means the completeness of the model and varies from 4 to 6, where 4 means the base model, and 6 - with the most functions.
Fifth character speaks of in-series equipment. For example, number 8 means the presence of VarioDrawer, number 9 - the presence of the same function, but with increased noise isolation.
Sixth character indicates the model class:
E - junior grade;
N - elementary grade;
M - middle class;
T - top class;
U is an elite class.
Seventh and eighth characters indicate a modification of the model. These symbols carry information about the technical features required by the manufacturer, so their decoding does not go into mass circulation.
The ninth and tenth characters - letter designation means for which region a particular model was made. Accordingly, RU - for sale in Russia, EU - for sale in European countries.
And about the country of origin:
Dishwashers Bosch:
series SRV, SMS, SMV, SRI, SAV, SRS, SGS - Germany.
Tabletop dishwashers:
SKS - Spain.

and such a thin crust forms on the strainer. Is it from the water? So salt is used ...

And what is washed off? Alkaline-detergent or vice versa, only acid?

From this, draw a conclusion about its composition and what the car lacks in life.

[Lena]

And what is washed off?

Lena, and washed off with a toothbrush without the use of special products. Moreover, it falls off in plates.
Olchik86, Thanks for the useful information!

Moreover, it falls off in plates.

Whoa! I have never come across such a thing ... My water is extremely hard - a polyethylene mesh filter at a car wash becomes overgrown with scale very quickly, until the passage of water completely stops. But "rubbing with a brush" does not help - I soak it only in acid, as do dividers from a shower-sink, etc.

And on a thin filter in the dishwasher, if suddenly there is a plaque, then it turns out to be fatty and washed off with a ferik and a washcloth (this is when I put too fat in the sink or did not put the detergent on such contamination).

My water is extremely hard - a polyethylene mesh filter at a car wash becomes overgrown with scale very quickly, until the passage of water completely stops.

Tell me, what filter are we talking about? I only know about the ones below, but they only get clogged with fat.

[annnushka27]

annnushka27, oh, no, no! In my dish, too, only at the bottom and also only with fat !!
A car wash is a device for washing cars, we have Körcher. Excuse me.