Dishwasher selection (2)

Elena 65, but what does the baking sheet fit?

The second basket is taken out, we put specials on the water outlet. watering can. Baking trays, grids, set as plates and turn on.

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Congratulations on your purchase! When choosing the third basket, I did not consider it, since I did not really see the point in it. For so many years of communication with PMM, I realized that the main thing is to put everything together correctly. And forks-spoons, in the absence of free space for the basket, can be put in the upper one on the side shelves and there will be an excellent result, there are also coffee cups up there (of which I constantly have a lot).
This third basket significantly increases the cost of the PMM, since most often it comes with such a set of functions!
When we sold the apartment with all the appliances in the kitchen, my mother was very worried that I would not be without a refrigerator, but without a PMM

I bought a dishwasher "European" for 5500 gr The official store is about 9000 gr. in the internet 7600gr. So you can "chic" while saving. You would refuse to buy such a "candy" for such little money. Previous Siemens model SR65T033EU no frills... 5 programs + 2 additional, with three baskets in the internet 5800 gr. Considering that these models are 45 cm, the convenience of filling is greatly improved. You don’t worry about how to put a small thing so that it doesn’t fall over during washing. When my family consisted of 5 people (this was 10 years ago), my husband's proposal to lay a place for a dishwasher in the new kitchen was abruptly cut off. Now I have a 9-person feast with a perspective. We need to make a new holiday table - we already have a dishwasher. We come to everything gradually, children grow up, health leaves. The older one has had a dishwasher for half a year (for 3 persons in the family), but I have only now.

[Elena 65]

Considering that these models are 45 cm, the convenience of filling is greatly improved. You don’t worry about how to put a small thing so that it doesn’t fall over during washing.

The train of thought of modern sales managers is amazing. Elena 65, I hope this is not your own point of view expressed? Indeed, in fact, everything is exactly the opposite.

[Elena 65]

The train of thought of modern sales managers is amazing. Elena 65, I hope this is not your own point of view expressed? Indeed, in fact, everything is exactly the opposite.

Didn't get the hint? There is no basket for forks, spoons at the bottom - as a result, there is free space, this is taking into account two additional shelves for small cups. If you are talking about reducing the height due to the third shelf, then the water comes from below at two levels, that is, if you try to lay the dishes in height, the quality of work deteriorates in layers. As a result, thanks to this shelf in the 45 cm dishwasher, already 10 sets fit. The second basket has three heights, with the lower position you can put the pots higher, again, it is convenient to work

Elena 65, thank you for sharing your impressions and skills in using PMM

There are always a lot of impressions when something new and useful appears in your life

Good day)
we bought a DELFA DDW-672 dishwasher - full-size 60 cm, the number of sets of dishes 14, programs 7. Bought at Foxtrot for 1900 UAH. The store said at once - China. Three baskets, top - for spoons, forks and other utensils)






I use it for about a month. I'm happy so far). Washes well (I have nothing to compare with, before washing with my hands - I don't want to return to this anymore).
This is my first PMM. I hope that it will serve me well for a long time)))

[nasty25]

nasty25 With the purchase of you, with an assistant!
To work well and not upset!

[nasty25]

nasty25 With the purchase of you, with an assistant!
To work well and not upset!

I join in the congratulations, and about how I washes, how many I read reviews on different models, they are united by one thing - IT IS MUCH DIFFICULT WITH HANDS, no one said that he likes to wash dishes and regretted the money thrown away.

Thank you)))))
I am worried that it is completely cheap, so that at least it does not break .............
She washes me - I'm so happy))))))

[nasty25]

I also have an ultra-budget PMM, for three years the flight is normal. nasty25, do not worry about this too much. In general, it's cool that the Chinese so unceremoniously licked the German premium segment and sell it at a very affordable price.

[nasty25]

I also have an ultra-budget PMM, for three years the flight is normal. nasty25, do not worry about this too much. In general, it's cool that the Chinese so unceremoniously licked the German premium segment and sell it at a very affordable price.

"licked" is putting it mildly
the boxes are very convenient "copied"

about how she washes, how many I read reviews on different models, they are united by one thing - HANDS MUCH DIFFICULT, no one said that he likes to wash dishes and regretted the money thrown away.

Well, no, there are those who are disappointed in dishwashers for various reasons. For example, our Admin, she wrote about this recently here, and she is not the only one.

Well, no, there are those who are disappointed in dishwashers for various reasons. For example, our Admin, she wrote about this recently here, and she is not the only one.

Of course, I didn't reread the whole Temko, but I thought the owners of the PMM were only satisfied with their assistants.

Everyone has different reasons, what to list for me ...
Someone really likes it, but there are also those who are unsatisfied with the purchase.
This is why: just those who want to buy a dishwasher need to know about this.

And what is even dissatisfaction

If you believe the scientists, then when washing dishes, etc. operations. when hands in water relieve stress. But probably the network and other reasons, especially if you were not lucky with the choice of PMM or detergent.
And now the thought is gnawing at how much for these conveniences of life we ​​will be obliged to pay according to the tariffs for electricity ...
Again they want to return us to the spinning wheel and rinse in the ice hole ...

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Everyone has different reasons, what to list for me ...
Someone really likes it, but there are also those who are unsatisfied with the purchase.
This is why: just those who want to buy a dishwasher need to know about this.

Discontent mainly comes from the poor quality of the sink, and there are two reasons for this - not a well thought-out model and high requirements for cleanliness of dishes, or simply saving on the mode, on powder and food leftovers on the plates. For example, I am very demanding on the dishes - pans are washed from both sides, until they are new (only the handle attachment area is not washed out). Yesterday I conducted another experiment - a pan in which oatmeal was cooked + a ladle - stood half a day, dried + a saucepan in which meat with a dried border and other trifles was cooked. Plates with oatmeal and dried cottage cheese. Everything was not pre-rinsed AUTO mode 35-45, function 1/2 load, powder 2 tsp. spoons (10 gr.) norm at low load 20 gr. Rinse salt available. START. RESULT: The oatmeal pot is clean, the edge of the meat protein left a mark, but did not rewash. The plates and cups are all clean. The only BUT. on the dishes there were three large grains of oatmeal that lay on clean dishes and a bowl from a double boiler (washed in the second basket, from the outside it was greasy - they cooked sausages with steamed cheese) TOTAL: the bowl from the double boiler should be washed in the lower basket in economy modes , but large oatmeal still needs to be thrown into the sink. Regarding the rim from the protein, I don't write anything, this is not the indicator for the most economical regime. Yes, the material of the dishes is glass and stainless steel.
Stress can and relieves, but back pain, broken nails and longing from the wall before the eyes only adds. And about electricity, you have to overpay when buying from me energy saving A +++

Yesterday, when we watched the PMM in the store, there was a tabletop. It seems Electrolux.We somehow wanted to buy one for a long time, but either it was a pity for money. In short, I don't remember the reason. Now I don’t want to, but I’m thinking, is the width of the PMM important? I read somewhere that 60cm is better At least 45cm to buy

Is the width of the PMM important? I read somewhere that 60cm is better At least 45cm to buy

If the size of the kitchen allows, then 60 cm is better. And the size of the family also matters. 45 cm is enough for my family. I am sooooo happy with it! And wash by hand ...

Is the width of the PMM important? I read somewhere that 60cm is better At least 45cm to buy

It doesn't matter. Of course 60cm is better - more dishes can fit, plus the rocker is longer. But as in the well-known proverb - in the absence of stamped paper, we write in plain one. Better 45cm than none at all. I have 45cm - sometimes I regret that it is too small. This is when a lot of dishes are collected and you have to "play Tetris" by placing them in baskets. If possible, then you need to buy a 60cm car. But a big car also has a minus - if you cook a little and the family is small, then it will take a long time to collect for washing. I have such cases that the dishes can be collected for 2-3 days, even at 45cm.

[I have such cases that the dishes can be collected for 2-3 days, even at 45cm.]

It doesn't matter. Of course 60cm is better - more dishes can fit, plus the rocker is longer. But as in the well-known proverb - in the absence of stamped paper, we write in plain one. Better 45cm than none at all. I have 45cm - sometimes I regret that it is too small. This is when a lot of dishes are collected and you have to "play Tetris" by placing them in baskets. If possible, then you need to buy a 60cm car. But a big car also has a minus - if you cook a little and the family is small, then it will take a long time to collect for washing. I have such cases that the dishes can be collected for 2-3 days, even at 45cm.

In this case, the desktop is better.
No, our family is not small: three sons and my husband and I. The eldest turns 20 in 3 weeks. Our middle son is now studying in St. Petersburg. You have to wash a lot of dishes. I love to cook, so there are enough pots during the cooking process

In this case, the desktop is better.

Nah ... the tabletop is worse anyway! How many pots will fit in there? And for some plates and cups, get a dishwasher ...

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In this case, the desktop is better.

I don’t think so. Desktop is better only if you don't even stick 45cm. Rarely it happens to me that I collect dishes for several days. As a rule, the PMM washes every day. And on holidays or weekends it happens and I turn it on twice. Depends on my kitchen activity.

[Rarely]

I don’t think so. Desktop is better only if you don't even stick 45cm. Rarely it happens to me that I collect dishes for several days. As a rule, the PMM washes every day. And on holidays or weekends it happens and I turn it on twice. Depends on my kitchen activity.

And with me, with a small family, every day is a must, or even twice, if I cooked a lot.

I, too, looked into this tabletop and immediately thought, but how to put a baking sheet here It will have to be driven three times a day. It will most likely fit the dishes that can fit in the sink. But sometimes you have to wash a lot after each meal a day.

I, too, looked into this tabletop and immediately thought, but how to put a baking sheet here It will have to be driven three times a day. It will most likely fit the dishes that can fit in the sink. But sometimes you have to wash a lot after each meal a day.

When I was choosing, I saw a desktop BOSCH in the salon, so fine, lovely. My bottom basket is completely in the middle. One thing is more difficult to wash pans and large pots. But then they will fit in there one by one. If you load plates and cups, they will fit well. But here I have large cups in circulation for 380 ml., For them there is already not enough space. Therefore, a 45 cm, 60 cm bush did not fit into the finished furniture.

No, I honestly don't want a desktop one. After all, my pans are mostly not small

I also thought, wondered which one to buy 45 or 60, there are two of me and my husband, I do not cook very much, and only breakfasts and dinners, we have lunch at work, on weekends I’m not at home all the time. I thought to take 45 and that's enough with a margin, especially since the kitchen is small. but my husband decided for me and ordered 60. so after a month of use, I never thought that it would be 45. I launch it once every 2 days, well, when guests come, it gets stuck in the evening

If you believe the scientists, then when washing dishes, etc. operations. when hands in water relieve stress.

Yeah, I came home at 6 o'clock from work and there is no way to rest, you stand stress, you probably remove these scientists - men

If there is no room at all, then you can consider this option: Candy Trio

The top can be gas or electric.
A friend has this option, she is happy. Although, I cannot imagine how she places the dishes there after the holidays.

I support the previous speakers, 45 is better than the table one. I have a built-in for 10 sets. On weekends I completely hammer in for washing at night (we have problems with water during the day, so we have to collect it in a day and put it on a delay). Sometimes, when I cook a lot, I also start a quick wash in the middle of the day. And on weekdays after dinner, a half load is enough sometimes. But in any case, there will be a dishwasher in our assistants.

In general, I have been listening to the results of scientific research with a smile: it has been paid for. Either their meat is useful or harmful. Either coffee must be excluded, then even the cores must drink. There are a lot of examples. The last pearl: citrus fruits are harmful to women. If you use it every day, then by old age problems with bone tissue and teeth are inevitable. Thanks to our employers, they save us, we do not eat them every day, every week

I also thought, wondered which one to buy 45 or 60, there are two of me and my husband, I do not cook very much, and only breakfasts and dinners, we have lunch at work, on weekends I’m not at home all the time. I thought to take 45 and that's enough with a margin, especially since the kitchen is small. but my husband decided for me and ordered 60. so after a month of use, I never thought that it would be 45. I launch it once every 2 days, well, when guests come, it gets stuck in the evening

And I am generally alone. Earlier, it used to be that the car was idle, but with the advent of the frying pan, the grill gas works every day. I can’t imagine how I would have shoved it at 45. Also, other dishes must be collected. My sink is small, it is inconvenient to wash a frying pan in it, and after PMM it just creaks and shines.

Hello, so I became the owner of the DELFA DDW-4510 dishwasher, they have not yet had time to install and test it, they just brought it, maybe someone has one, I want advice, and which detergent is better to use.

Hello, so I became the owner of the DELFA DDW-4510 dishwasher, they have not yet had time to install and test it, they just brought it, maybe someone has one, I want advice, and which detergent is better to use.

Congratulations on your assistant. From the choice of detergents, tablets or powder must be determined. I use powder - I like to save one sink is cheaper than the cost of 1 tablet. (I am also an opponent of "chemistry", I use harmless products for manual washing, the less the better) From the recommended powder rate 20g -40g. I throw 20 gr. I used the pills, plus it is clearly more convenient than pouring in the powder. I liked the new Finish tablets in a dissolving shell (because I often put on a short mode, this tablet dissolves very well). The Classic tablet does not dissolve completely with a short cycle, only in a high temperature mode. With a full cycle, the Classic works fine. But in the end, I still use the powder.
By tablets - Finish, Somat are good. Amway-Sodovan -ecological but rather weak. Powder, salt, rinse agent I take through the shipment of the production of Germany.

Hello, so I became the owner of the DELFA DDW-4510 dishwasher, they have not yet had time to install and test it, they just brought it, maybe someone has one, I want advice, and which detergent is better to use.

Congratulations on your assistant!
I can recommend Domol powder (sold on the Watson network). Economical and efficient. I tried a lot of things before, but so far I stopped at it - the price / quality suits me. I put 15-20 gr.

Congratulations on your assistant!
I can recommend Domol powder (sold on the Watson network). Economical and efficient. I tried a lot of things before, but so far I stopped at it - the price / quality suits me. I put 15-20 gr.

Is it for the dishwasher?

Congratulations on your assistant. From the choice of detergents, tablets or powder must be determined. I use powder - I like to save one sink is cheaper than the cost of 1 tablet. (I am also an opponent of "chemistry", I use harmless products for manual washing, the less the better) From the recommended powder rate 20g -40g. I throw 20 gr. I used the pills, plus it is clearly more convenient than pouring in the powder. I liked the new Finish tablets in a dissolving shell (because I often put on a short mode, this tablet dissolves very well). The Classic tablet does not dissolve completely with a short cycle, only in a high temperature mode. With a full cycle, the Classic works fine. But in the end, I still use the powder.
By tablets - Finish, Somat are good. Amway-Sodovan -ecological but rather weak. Powder, salt, rinse agent I take through the shipment of the production of Germany.
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Thank you very much.

Yes.
Such
There is also salt and rinse aid, but I have not tried it myself. It is very profitable to buy on the stock 1 + 1 = 3

Thank you so much.

Congratulations on your assistant!
I can recommend Domol powder (sold on the Watson network). Economical and efficient. I tried a lot of things before, but so far I stopped at it - the price / quality suits me. I put 15-20 gr.

Congratulations on your assistant!
I can recommend Domol powder (sold on the Watson network). Economical and efficient. I tried a lot of things before, but so far I stopped at it - the price / quality suits me. I put 15-20 gr.

I support. Especially if you get to the action "3 for 2x". If there are "ends" in Germany, then there it generally costs 2.25 euros.

I support. Especially if you get to the action "3 for 2x". If there are "ends" in Germany, then there it generally costs 2.25 euros.

I just had this action in mind

Yes.
Such
There is also salt and rinse aid, but I have not tried it myself. It is very profitable to buy on the stock 1 + 1 = 3

And we do not have it in trade, I will look in the internet

And we do not have it in trade, I will look in the internet

In Dnepropetrovsk
vul. Glinka, 17-a (0562) 34-20-33
vul. Karl Marx, 40 (056) -745-11-24
This is the Watson network

In Dnepropetrovsk
vul. Glinka, 17-a (0562) 34-20-33
vul. Karl Marx, 40 (056) -745-11-24
This is the Watson network

Thank you, otherwise I am on the internet, there is no information about the sale in Ukraine. I'll stop by to look at the map of the city on K, Marks store Eva, on Glinka the same. Maybe we call this network Eve. And do not tell me the price and weight ???

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Oh, I selectively read not all 63 pages, then other sources, it became scary. I don't want HOME anymore - I want HOMEAL, it turns out that we have the most expensive thing on sale for "our pocket" - chemical products. And they don't import something more environmentally friendly, like these Ukrainians will swallow it, the race is not educated. Rough but true. I decided to wash with powder, it can be dispensed - and partially with hands with SODOSAN (for manual washing, I am very allergic to "chemical" substances) Rinse aid reduced to 2 units - normally, water droplets can be wiped off with a kitchen towel.

[Maybe we call this network Eve]

Maybe we call this network Eve... It's not Eva, but DOCTOR WATSON (formerly DC)

So, 3 minutes ago they took my Bekoshka ... now I am telling you an epic, 8 months long ...