Dishwasher selection (2)

Indesite equipment is not very reliable, as is the case with Ariston (this is one company)
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Assembly mainly Poland
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I will not say about Indesit, there was no such technique, but Ariston is and I really like it. Their first washer served faithfully for 12 years without repair, bought a new one because of drying, again Ariston, very pleased. Assembly in Italy. Yes, dishwashers are mainly assembled in Poland, but this is not China, but the EU, where the requirements are unified and are the same everywhere.
The company has equipment of different price categories, Indesit is cheaper, hence the quality ...

And Bosch is now all Chinese and on the Internet a bunch of negative reviews can also be dug up if desired. But the price is there-

Bosch also manufactures its products in Turkey.

And Bosch is now all Chinese and on the Internet a bunch of negative reviews can also be dug up if desired. But the price is there-

On one of the forums it was infa that they also raised the price now. For some items up to 20%. That's it ...

Yes, dishwashers are mainly assembled in Poland, but this is not China, but the EU, where the requirements are unified and are the same everywhere.

Requirements YES!
And you are completely sure that their indigenous workers, or the same Chinese and other peoples who came to Europe in search of work, are sitting at the assembly in Poland, Germany, Italy, because they are cheaper than their indigenous ones. Yes, and Europe is all migrating in search of earnings

Today, both China and Korea harvest very well, depending on what and where to buy

I can’t calmly pass by this topic, all dishwashers choose. And how mine broke at the end of April, I wrote in the next topic, so it was not repaired to us, I ordered a spare part in Germany, waited more than a month, they did not find it exactly for this model, but they are afraid to take a similar one, it suddenly doesn’t fit. Now the next master was given, for a month there has been almost silence. Probably need to look after a new one, every time I wash the dishes, but I do it often and a lot, then I dream that I have it again.

Who has PMM Beko DIN 1530 please tell me if it is possible to hang a furniture facade on its door ???

Of course! She is built-in

Requirements YES!
And you are completely sure that their indigenous workers, or the same Chinese and other peoples who came to Europe in search of work, are sitting at the assembly in Poland, Germany, Italy, because they are cheaper than their indigenous ones. Yes, and all Europe migrates in search of earnings

Today, both China and Korea harvest very well, depending on what and where to buy

The Chinese quality, not in vain, is probably already a "parable in tongues", I will not even discuss this topic.

On one of the forums it was infa that they also raised the price now. For some items up to 20%. That's it ...

That's it, but the quality is not so irreplaceable with them, but according to the characteristics, you can pick up models from other companies not worse, but better for less money.

Hello, I have a gorenje dishwasher, I bought a used one from Germany, on the first day they filled in one and a half kg of salt (calgonite), and on the second day they looked in, but it was not there at all, only water. Should it be so or not?

Hello, I have a gorenje dishwasher, I bought a used one from germany, on the first day they filled in one and a half kg of salt (calgonite) and on the second day they looked in, but it was not there at all, only water. Should it be so or not?

Yes, it should be, it dissolves in water. My instructions even say: "pour 1 liter of water, add salt, stir with a spoon"

Hello, I have a gorenje dishwasher, I bought a used one from germany, on the first day they filled in one and a half kg of salt (calgonite) and on the second day they looked in, but it was not there at all, only water. Should it be so or not?

There should be salt in the water. One and a half kg of salt per liter of water - a saturated solution is obtained. It will completely dissolve at maximum settings in at least two weeks. On the "two" in about six months.

Thank you. strange of course I can do it ... well, I use all-in-one pills, I think the car won't break down without salt. I'll try to buy a pack to fall asleep.

Really weird. She has nowhere to go. Even assuming that the brine regulator is defective / missing at all. Imagine a one-liter jar filled to the brim with salt and water. How can you completely flush the salt out of a jar with a bucket of water?

so I think, maybe this model somewhere this salt with water flows inside into another compartment ... I have nothing there except the lid. no cups, nets, the lid was unscrewed and a black hole.

so I think, maybe this model somewhere this salt with water flows inside into another compartment ... I have nothing there except the lid. no cups, nets, the lid was unscrewed and a black hole.

And it seems to me that you just don't see the salt there, when you pour it in a little bit, and then it leveled out and you can't see it, it's dark there, water is on top, and salt is at the bottom. I also just have a hole with a lid. By the way, also from Germany.

And if the machine is disconnected from the electricity (for safety) and the finger is thrust into the water, then the salt is felt, even if it is not visible on the surface. This is how the master taught me to check the presence of salt. Don't trust sensors. That's what I check.

so I think, maybe this model somewhere this salt with water flows inside into another compartment ... I have nothing there except the lid. no cups, nets, the lid was unscrewed and a black hole.

There, further there is an ion exchanger, into which so much salt will not fit, and from it the water goes straight to where the plates are.

I have ELECTROLUX ESF43005 for nine people already half a year and pleases and do not regret my choice

Hello, I have a gorenje dishwasher, I bought a used one from germany, on the first day they filled in one and a half kg of salt (calgonite) and on the second day they looked in, but it was not there at all, only water. Should it be so or not?

you answered correctly - check the solo day ...

And it seems to me that you just don't see the salt there, when you pour it in a little bit, and then it leveled out and you can't see it, it's dark there, water is on top, and salt is at the bottom. I also just have a hole with a lid. By the way, also from Germany.

And if the machine is disconnected from the electricity (for safety) and the finger is thrust into the water, then the salt is felt, even if it is not visible on the surface. This is how the master taught me to check the presence of salt. Don't trust sensors. That's what I check.

If the salt compartment is large, then even a finger can not feel the salt .... It is better to take a spoon / fork / or something long and
"try to feel" the salt at the bottom ...

I put my camera there

strange ...
And why isn't this compartment filled with water? Drew it out? It's not for nothing that it's all ...
In principle, I would advise you to do everything according to the rules one more time: fill it with water and fill it up with salt. If this time it "evaporates", then give up on this matter. And in the future, use only 3in1 tablets.

strange ...
And why isn't this compartment filled with water? Drew it out?

I also had this question first in my head ... then I think, fig knows what kind of photo it is ..
According to my PMM, I can say that no matter how much I open the lid of the salt tank (even 2 months later), the water from there is always on top and after opening the lid it starts pouring out, as if something "squeezes out" it from there and pours out about 1/2 glasses - i.e. ml 100 exactly ....

Here is my aggravation - I want a dishwasher!
I stopped the choice between such. What can you tell me?

Here is my aggravation - I want a dishwasher!
I stopped the choice between such. What can you tell me?

And I want it!
I can't follow the links. Why stars? Non-clickable is possible.

I would not consider the second option since there is no pre-wash and a variable height of the upper basket. This is what I use a lot. (There is no 1/2 download yet, but I am not using it). And then the price is a matter - there is an opportunity, probably take a Bosch (only in which case the service will also be more expensive), but no, and beko is a good option

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Vinochek, but what can you tell me: cut to ... mother, without waiting for peritonitis! Aggravated - we must take. My choice is Bosch, regardless of any stories about his Chinese origin (mine says Made in Germany, and I tend to believe it). And even if my choice was not supported by strong arguments, it was unshakable. Although my husband insistently offered to choose something cheaper.
Of the two Bosch options, I would prefer the one that has a half-load program and a variable height of the upper basket at least.

My selection criteria (as the owner of two PMMs): half load (in one boshe there is a load sensor, which is basically the same); foldable lower basket; indicators of salt and rinse aid; mini or express program; preferably aquastop adjustable upper basket plus.

Wow, I have experience! What will other people's advice give? Especially mine, a person using PMM for the second day?

Therefore, the requirements are
There were Indesite and Ariston.

I never get half load

And it is natural to me in view of the presence of a large number of cups after tea.

I also have tea and coffee all the time, so I have 30 cups available

I am excited about many cups. And there is not enough space now.

I don’t know about Bosch, but for Bekoshka, 1/2 load means that there is no pre-wash before washing with powder, that is, the powder is poured out immediately and then the dishes are bathed in all the washed out food, which would have gone with water during the first rinsing on the usual program. I look more at the consumption of water and electricity for each mode. For some reason, it seems that if it takes less water, then it will be heated more to wash off all the dirt You can ask to write the consumption of water and electricity (from the instructions), as well as the temperature on 2-3 programs for Bosch (or another PMM)? Interesting.

I don’t know about Bosch, but for Bekoshka, 1/2 load means that there is no pre-wash before washing with powder, that is, the powder is poured out immediately and then the dishes are bathed in all the washed out food, which would have gone with water during the first rinsing on the usual program. I look more at the consumption of water and electricity for each mode. For some reason, it seems that if it takes less water, then it will be heated more to wash off all the dirt You can ask to write the consumption of water and electricity (from the instructions), as well as the temperature on 2-3 programs for Bosch (or another PMM)? Interesting.

Look:

Can you make it out?

No, I looked - not really. It's easier to write: auto mode - 55-65 degrees, 80-130 minutes, electricity consumption. energy 0.85-1.2; quick wash 45 g, 30 min, 0.7 kW - these are my most running modes, there is a half load, the washing time is reduced by 1.5 times. Bosch machine 45 cm.

Therefore, the requirements are
There were Indesite and Ariston.

After yesterday's many hours of sitting in the internet and comparing various models, the PMM chose the Indesit DFP5847 model (other marking is possible in Ukraine), there is a load of 14 sets, 8 programs, 1/2 load, express wash and rinse, an adjustable basket, aquastop etc....
In short, everything that you listed for the presence of zinc and the price has so far stopped at Indesite, but these models are not yet in our stores ...

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* Anyuta * No need to buy Indezhut!

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* Anyuta * No need to buy Indezhut!

Sasha, thank you very much for your advice, but already on the advice of the forum I bought myself a Beko .....
There will be a trial on September 11 - a decision must be made there.I already have documents from an expert in my hands, but I want to wait for an official opinion from a judge ... then I'll tell you what is happening with Beko's cars in Russia ...
The issue of publication with Baker and Aunt Basia (as a lawyer) has already been discussed, so I will not write, but I will upload photos of documents ...

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* Anyuta * I just don't recommend it. And the current technique is the whole lottery, in the city of Livermore there is a light bulb that has been burning for 110 years 🔗
In the current technology, there is a "breakage point" sometimes this happens immediately after the warranty expires. The choice will always be yours, just there are manufacturers who have become the talk of the town ...

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In the current technology, there is a "breakage point" sometimes this happens immediately after the warranty expires. The choice will always be yours, just there are manufacturers who have become the talk of the town ...

Sash, I don't want to run ahead, but I think that ALL owners of Bekoshek on this site (and even more so those girls who helped me test the machine with certain settings) will be shocked to put it mildly by the results of the examination ... And it's not about the "congestion" of the breakdown, namely production of equipment for our countries by the Beko firm!!!

I will repeat myself. I have the opportunity to buy equipment, so to speak, "treated" or with minor damage such as dents, scratches, etc. And the prices are much lower than the store prices. The choice is certainly not like in a store. They offer what is available. When I called and asked about the PMM, I was offered a choice of Indesit and Veko. And also, I have a friend, a good jack of all trades. By the way, girls-boys from Tula, please contact me if I will give you a phone number. I called this master with a question about these cars. He winced, the choice is not of very high quality options, but of these two he said to take Indesit. Although I was more attuned to Veko. He argued that PMM Indesit, unlike refrigerators, is not made in Russia. And there is at least some hope for quality.
I was considering a very budget option. Therefore, I don't know about more expensive and better quality PMM.

Chamomile1, what model do you have? satisfied with the quality of the dishwashing?

Chamomile1, what model do you have? satisfied with the quality of the dishwashing?

I have a separate one. Dishwasher Indesit DSG 0517 I wrote reports. Regarding washing dishes, I decided to buy Tablets for PMM "Clean & Fresh" 5in1 (mega) 60 pcs. in the bank. I split the pill in half. I still pour salt, we have water - CHEER !!! If my something is very greasy, then I put a full pill. But I cook fatty sooo rarely. The dishes are all shiny now. The glass is not cloudy. And in general - beauty.

The main thing is that the soap is of high quality ...
In general, I want to say that any technique tends to break down ... and I no longer want to choose expensive equipment ..
And the logic is simple ... The technique is broken - repairs are cheaper, spare parts are easier to get,

Can I ask to write the consumption of water and electricity (from the instructions), as well as the temperature for 2-3 programs for Bosch (or another PMM)? Interesting.

For Bosch
Energy consumption for Economy 50 ° C program: 290 kWh per year
Energy consumption for Economy 50 ° C program: 1.02 kWh
Power consumption in off mode / left-on mode: 0.1 watt / 0.1 watt
Water consumption for the "Economy 50 ° C" program: 3300 liters per year
Water consumption for the "Economy 50 ° C" program: 11.8 liters

Indesite is my first PMM. She worked for a year. No, it did not break, BUT washing became 2 times worse. The SC could not be repaired.

And I also want to say that after I came across our service center - which also serves Beko, then before buying any complex and expensive equipment, I will now check what kind of service it serves ... And let it be Bosch / Siemens / or a mile, served in the golden eagle, but I won't take these PMMs for nothing, because I already know what morons (forgive me, Lord) work there ...

PySy ..by the way, here on the forum someone already wrote about the same thing, only then for me this selection criterion seemed "ridiculous" ... now I understand that this is far from the last factor in which to choose ...

Indesite is my first PMM. She worked for a year. No, it did not break, BUT washing became 2 times worse. The SC could not be repaired.

I also suffered with detergents. And such a powder and such. Then she spat. They do not seek from goodness, goodness. I buy a large pack of pills, and if I divide it in half, then the money consumption is normal. And the washing quality is excellent.
I live very modestly and buy economy class equipment. Maybe this is not right, but I prefer to live with (inexpensive) technology than without it at all.

Maybe this is not right, but I prefer to live with (inexpensive) technology than without it at all.

+100 ... Right, right ... I think so too ... .. The presence of expensive equipment does not give a single drop of guarantee that it will last longer than cheap equipment ... I think that a lot still depends on the "skill / desire to "handle technology correctly ...

Well, I came across a "kosyachnaya" bekoshka .. so what? from this I did not look at the price tags twice as high ... but I look all the same price range ...

I also suffered with detergents. And such a powder and such. Then she spat. They do not seek from goodness, goodness. I buy a large pack of pills and if I divide it in half, then the money consumption is normal. And the washing quality is excellent.
I live very modestly and buy economy class equipment. Maybe this is not right, but I prefer to live with (inexpensive) technology than without it at all.

Everything is correct. The main thing is not to buy something completely, completely useless, and inexpensive equipment is often exactly the same technique.))) I myself gave a vow to try not to buy expensive equipment. Now the rate of renewal of any technology is cosmic. And when you bought something for a lot of money, then replace it on occasion with something more advanced - the toad strangles. It seems that it also works okay.