Bread maker Binatone BM-2169

you can, to the questions above
Sorry if I repeat myself.

1. Home baker function
-Heats up on this program?

- Can the timer be set for the home baker function?

- it is possible to program the home baker function so
batch 1
growth 1
batch 2
height 2
height 3
oven 0
heat 30 min
In this case, will the dough come up faster or can it overoxidize?

3. Using one cell of double shape, it does not burn, is it normal?

So, 2 years have passed since the purchase of "Binatoshi", as it is affectionately called here. What can I say ... In short: we are satisfied. Operation - mainly, a roll of white or rye (according to mood) every other day + kneading dough for baking. Recently we moved to a new permanent residence, so for about two weeks, while things were being collected and disassembled and settled down - they had to buy bread in the store: it was such a torment to eat ... After they put Binatosha back and started baking themselves - the whole family breathed a sigh of relief.
For two years, nothing fell off in the bread maker, did not burn out, did not break off (ugh 3 times), even the appearance almost did not fade - it continues to delight us with its impeccable work.
The only thing that was done shortly after the purchase: he additionally insulated the viewing windows in the lid with a second layer of glass: he turned the discs at the turner at work from heat-resistant transparent plastic and glued them inside the transparent "glasses" in the lid. After that, the top crust on the bread became more uniform in color.
The only inconvenience the wife faces is the delay in readiness, and not at the start - because of this, sometimes it "misses" by the time the bread is ready in the morning (on the washer and dishwasher - a delay start - hence the confusion).
In general, no thoughts of changing to some other model have even arisen during this time - everything is fine.

I really liked this HP model, but there are several questions:
How do I understand me in English and all the buttons too?
How long are the regimes? (not specified in the instructions)
Do you bake Borodino bread on programmed mode?
Is the food laying in order - water, flour, yeast - is this the only way, or vice versa, is it also possible?
What color of HP is better to choose white or black?
Thank you

I really liked this HP model, but there are several questions:
How do I understand me in English and all the buttons too?

Buttons in Russian. Menu too. All modes are painted in Russian.

How long are the regimes? (not specified in the instructions)

The instructions only say the total time for each mode. There is no summary table of the duration of kneading and growth for each mode. And even the manufacturer could not provide this information at the request of one of our forum members.

Do you bake Borodino bread on programmed mode?

You can bake Borodinsky in the Home Baker mode, or you can bake it in semi-automatic mode (as I do), that is, play around with the modes manually.

Is the food laying in order - water, flour, yeast - is this the only way or vice versa is it also possible?

Flour is laid in water. On the contrary, I have never tried it, because I have already become so used to another HP.

What color of HP is better to choose white or black?

This is what you like best, for example which suits your interior better.

Thank you

You are welcome!

Strange, but in the instructions the Menu in English is painted, but oh well.
Or you can write the total time for the main programs, quick baking and dough.
Thank you

As it turned out, it's easier to dial with your hands than to take a picture.
Mode Weight 1125/900/2 * 450 gr
Main 3: 20/3: 15/3: 10
Fast cooking 1:58
French 3: 40/3: 35/3: 30
Ultrafast 1: 59/1: 56/1: 52
Whole grain 3: 30/3: 25/3: 20
Sweet bread 3: 10/3: 05/3: 00
Dough 1:50
Bake 0: 10-1: 00 in 10 minute increments
Jam 1:20
Sandwich 3: 00/2: 55/2: 50

Strange, but in the instructions the Menu in English is painted, but oh well.
Or you can write the total time for the main programs, quick baking and dough.
Thank you

At first, these stoves had a menu in English, and I bought buttons in English 2 years ago.

Do you make dough for dumplings and pizza in programmed mode?
And you can talk about this mode in more detail.
Thank you. You answer so quickly.

Do you make dough for dumplings and pizza in programmed mode?
And you can talk about this mode in more detail.
Thank you. You answer so quickly.

I make the dough on the Dough mode, only for dumplings-dumplings I usually pull it out earlier, after all, it does not need to part.

I probably tortured you with my questions.
And the bucket is inserted into the HP by turning or on clamps. And then they say with the clamps it is not so convenient to pull out the bucket - you need to apply a lot of energy, and I can't imagine how hot it is to pull out the even.

It is simply inserted and everything, in your opinion, is rather with a turn, I hear about clamps for the first time.
In general, if I chose my HP for myself, today there would be 2 options: this Binatosha (2 forms) or HP Brand (primarily because of the excellent manual mode).

It is simply inserted and everything, in your opinion, is rather with a turn, I hear about clamps for the first time.
In general, if I chose my HP for myself, today there would be 2 options: this Binatosha (2 forms) or Brand HP (primarily because of the excellent manual mode).

Yes, thanks, I already read the instructions. I also liked Binaton because of two forms. The power is really too big for them, probably because of the two blades. By the way, the instructions say that there are two blades in the kit, not 4. Maybe now they are producing two of them. But HP Brand did not come across in Ukraine.

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By the way, the instructions say that there are two blades in the kit, not 4. Maybe now they are producing two of them.

The blades should be 4... Wake up to buy - look carefully. Two pairs of different paddles, for a large bucket and for a double, they not interchangeable!

Thanks everyone. It seems that there are no questions yet. If there is only one more - there is no temperature equalization mode before kneading - judging by the duration of the program.

Thanks everyone. It seems that there are no questions yet. If there is only one more - there is no temperature equalization mode before kneading - judging by the duration of the program.

No.

Happy New Year!!!!
Girls, but you can remove the dimensions from a large form - the length seems to be 22 cm, but the width?
Thank you.

[in programmed mode?And you can talk about this mode in more detail.]

And you make dough for dumplings and pizza, for example in programmed mode?
And you can talk about this mode in more detail.
Thank you. You answer so quickly.

Now I will look for the programmable mode plate and post it.

Binatone BM-2169
Program Time
Knead1 / Kneading1 3-14 minutes
Rise1 / Ascent1 20-60 minutes
Knead2 / Mix2 8-24 minutes
Rise2 1-60 minutes
Rise3 / Ascent3 20-120 minutes
Bake / Baking 0-80 minutes
Warm / Preheat 0-120 minutes

After reading this plate, take any recipe, for any HP, look, and it (the recipe) is always baked on a specific, specified program, which consists of kneading, rising and baking time, and decide whether this oven has enough time for this recipe or not ... This one has enough!
That's all! All recipes, yours!
More details: https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=9345.0

Other modes from Ksyushk @ -Plushk @
As it turned out, it's easier to dial with your hands than to take a picture.
Mode Weight 1125/900/2 * 450 gr
Main 3: 20/3: 15/3: 10
Fast cooking 1:58
French 3: 40/3: 35/3: 30
Ultrafast 1: 59/1: 56/1: 52
Whole grain 3: 30/3: 25/3: 20
Sweet bread 3: 10/3: 05/3: 00
Dough 1:50
Bake 0: 10-1: 00 in 10 minute increments
Jam 1:20
Sandwich 3: 00/2: 55/2: 50
More details: Ksyushk @ -Plushk @

Happy New Year!!!!
Girls, but you can remove the dimensions from a large form - the length seems to be 22 cm, but the width?
Thank you.

Width "inside" 12 cm.

Thank you. Oh-ho, and I keep reading about other HPs, otherwise I read reviews in Binatons - they write that they often break down, that electronics junk. So I'm worried - I'm not choosing my parents, so as not to be extreme later ... Although I liked Binatonchik 2169 so much, I probably would have bought one in due time.

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Thank you. Oh-ho, and I keep reading about other HPs, otherwise I read reviews in Binatons - they write that they often break down, that electronics are junk. So I'm worried - I choose not to myself - to my parents, so as not to be extreme later ... Although I liked Binatonchik 2169 so much, I probably would have bought one in due time.

addresat, sooner or later everything breaks down. In my opinion, there are more satisfied Binatone 2169 than not satisfied. My copy also has a bug in the "Baking" mode, but this did not make it less beloved, since I very rarely use the Bake mode on my own in HP, more often I put it in the oven for baking. The choice is naturally yours, considering that this is a gift (do I understand correctly?), Then you are so meticulous and rightly so! But the oven is really not bad. I will say that even good

... My copy also has a bug in the "Baking" mode, but this did not make it less beloved, since I very rarely use the Bake mode on my own in HP, more often I put it in the oven for baking.

And how is this manifested?

And how is this manifested?

We discussed this a few pages ago. The instructions say the Baking mode, the time can be changed from 10 minutes to 1 hour in 10-minute increments. But my baking does not change, it is stable for 1 hour. But it doesn't bother me.

I don't even have this written in the instructions, so it's more of an instruction bug, not a stove

I don't even have this written in the instructions, so it's more of an instruction bug, not a stove

Ver, you have a stove that was put out a long time ago, maybe there wasn’t anything like that in it. And in the latest releases, Baking should be regulated, but alas, not in all copies it is regulated.

Today I saw this model live - in white. And mine want a black one, but you need to build it before 10. Beautiful, but so bulky in appearance. I have Panasik 254 and it seems less. Bucket looked at two forms - heavy - though they seem so makhank. The rivet heels at the bottom of the bucket were confused - they did not affect the integrity of the bucket and the quality of its coating. I do not have such in Panas - that is, from the outside they are, but there is no bucket inside. Aurora also has them - they are even of a different color than the bucket itself. Interesting - maybe this is the norm for not expensive HP models.

The rivet heels at the bottom of the bucket were confused - they did not affect the integrity of the bucket and the quality of its coating. I do not have such in Panas - that is, from the outside they are, but there is no bucket inside. Aurora also has them - they are even of a different color than the bucket itself. Interesting - maybe this is the norm for not expensive HP models.

The specialist went and looked at her heels. I have them covered with a non-stick layer like the whole bucket, in both verdes. And how can they affect integrity, flow in the sense that a bucket can? Anyone can do that.

And how does HP have its own recipe book - does everything work out or do you need to take proven recipes? As with the proportions, otherwise not very good recipes are often complained about in other models - sometimes there is not enough flour, then there is a lot of water.
Thank you

And how does HP have its own recipe book - does everything work out or do you need to take proven recipes? As with the proportions, otherwise not very good recipes are often complained about in other models - sometimes there is not enough flour, then there is a lot of water.
Thank you

The fan-book has been collected for all Binatonians, there are mainly discrepancies in the modes. But as for the rest, I can't say with complete confidence that everything will work out. If you have not baked bread before, then there will be mistakes. I only baked two or three recipes using it. The pizza dough did not work, or rather the liquid came out, I mixed it with my hands.

I have very convenient recipes in Panasonic - I've been baking bread for almost a year now, rarely when bread doesn't work. I just think I can use my recipes in Binaton.

I have very convenient recipes in Panasonic - I've been baking bread for almost a year now, rarely when bread doesn't work. I just think I can use my recipes in Binaton.

And why is it impossible. Copy everything that will be interesting and attach.I baked my first bread according to the recipe from Mulinex 600230 and only then I tried several native recipes.

I didn't have a fan book, but the recipes in the instructions turned out perfectly, without any adjustments.

I confirm In the instruction there are good recipes, well chosen, I checked it myself, I baked in this x / stove! But, you still need to monitor the flour / liquid balance, you yourself understand why

Today I saw this model live

Do not worry, Binaton has good stoves and the recipes there are successful ... They bake well, I practically did not have any mistakes ... And the attachment of the bucket to the shaft was successful, with a lock ... True, I had a 1008 model ... I will also say to me I liked Binatosha more than the current Orion, the Orions have more dances with tambourines ... If you like it, take it ... If you are afraid that your parents will not be able to cope, work out a few recipes from the Binaton book yourself and write it down for them. And the recipes from the forum will work out great.

Do not worry, Binaton has good stoves and the recipes there are successful ... They bake well, I practically did not have any mistakes ... And the attachment of the bucket to the shaft was successful, with a lock ... True, I had a 1008 model ... I will also say to me I liked Binatosha more than the current Orion, the Orions have more dances with tambourines ... If you like it, take it ... If you are afraid that your parents will not be able to cope, work out a few recipes from the Binaton book yourself and write it down for them. And the recipes from the forum will work out great.

Thank you, fellow countrymen !!!!
I really liked the stove. Yesterday I even called our Donetsk service center, otherwise the Binaton sellers told me that the service HP does not repair, but replaces it with new ones or makes a refund. It was confirmed in the service that if a breakdown occurs during the warranty period (and for Binaton it is 2 years!), Then they change it to a new one, which is not so often brought to repair at all. Well, with accessories (buckets, shovels) - they are tight. In general, like many other HPs.

I understand, but I don't follow
That's why I took it, so that I could lay the food - I took out bread without standing over it.

Well ... it's time and circumstances will judge us

So that circumstances and mistakes never let you down!

Like me - there are cases of brain eclipses #

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Admin, I read in your message that it doesn't matter the order of the water-flour products or vice versa. As if I never tried - to experiment, I always have flour-water. And logically thinking - what is the difference?! ... The main quality and proportions of the ingredients, and most importantly the bun is to form correctly !!!!

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Admin, I read in your message that it doesn't matter the order of the water-flour products or vice versa. As if I never tried - to experiment, I always have flour-water. And logically thinking - what is the difference?! ... The main quality and proportions of the ingredients, and most importantly the bun is to form correctly !!!!

It makes sense to follow the order of laying in several cases: a Panasonic x / oven with a temperature equalization mode and a timer so that the yeast does not react with water before.
In the rest (except for special ones), you can do any principle of laying yeast, water, flour, since the oven immediately after laying the dough begins to knead the dough and everything is very quickly mixed into porridge-puree

My opinion

If we talk about the principle of "flour in water", then it allows you to add flour to the dough in a better quality, and not all at once, and then adjust it with flour and flour additives according to Art. l.
This is described in detail in my kolobok topics and in the Bread Baking Guide

Please tell me how to make the crust minimal. I put the lightest crust and the time is min-th (2 * 450 g), but the crust is too thick and it crumbles a lot when cutting. It seems to have found the recipe for the Baton, the taste is very similar, but the crust is thick. Thank you.

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I read in the instructions that after laying the raisins, you need manually stir the dough to distribute the raisins evenly.
And that HP itself cannot mix? Or has the kneading process at this stage already been completed?

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Please tell me how to make the crust minimal.I put the lightest crust and the time is min-th (2 * 450 g), but the crust is too thick and it crumbles a lot when cutting. It seems to have found the recipe for the Baton, the taste is very similar, but the crust is thick. Thank you.

Check the time with the instructions. In some instances, in some modes, the time is confused, that is, the time calculated for 1125 grams costs 900 grams or 2 for 450 grams. Maybe you also have a thick crust because of it. The smallest time is 2 * 450, the largest is 1125g.

I read in the instructions that after laying the raisins, you need manually stir the dough to distribute the raisins evenly.
And that HP itself cannot mix? Or has the kneading process at this stage already been completed?

I only helped once to stir apples and nuts in a charlotte with a spatula. Therefore, maybe your raisins will mix normally. Don't worry ahead of time.

Finally, we became the happy owners of Binaton 2169. Now I have put some bread. A glitch was found in HP - programs are confused - for 900g the size of a loaf, the program time is set to 3.15h, and for 1125g - 3.15h. As a result, the ingredients were poured on the size of the loaf 1125g, and the size of the loaf was set at 900g. And this is in all programs. Has anyone had this?

Finally, we became the happy owners of Binaton 2169. Now I put some bread. A glitch was found in HP - programs are confused - for 900g the size of a loaf, the program time is set to 3.15h, and for 1125g - 3.15h. As a result, the ingredients were poured on the size of the loaf 1125g, and the size of the loaf was set at 900g. And this is in all programs. Has anyone had this?

Congratulations!
I do not have all the programs, but there are some. That's why I wrote above for Komak to check.

And it squeaks, as I understand it, for all the programs - if you want - do not want - it still beeps?

And along the way, the baking mode, in my opinion, is also not regulated in the machine for 1 hour, although the instructions say in steps of 10 minutes and nowhere is it written how to do this. I tried the timer button - the delayed start function works.

Our first bread was baked. I liked the crust - it immediately seemed light - left on heating for 5-7 minutes - it turned out rosy. I knocked bread out of the spruce mold (it’s easy for me in Panasonic, maybe because the mixers hang freely on the screw, but here there are two of them). Probably you need to wait 20 minutes, and then shake it out. Or maybe from the fact that in the confusion I forgot to lubricate the stirrers with oil - as the instructions say (I don't do this at home, that's why I forgot). The bread did not come up as I wanted, but I sin on the lack of flour. Well, I'm not used to baking on such a shape, and even measuring flour with glasses. I'm more used to measuring flour in grams, but here are glasses
Mom's baked - I didn't have to evaluate the taste - didn't wait - I went home. Yes, about the weight - I took the recipe from the instructions to Binaton for the weight of 1125g bread - the output turned out to be slightly less than 900g
Here is a photo, sorry for the quality - phone

And along the way, the baking mode, in my opinion, is also not regulated in the machine for 1 hour, although the instructions say in steps of 10 minutes and nowhere is it written how to do this. I tried the timer button - the delayed start function works.

There is such a thing. It has already been discussed more than once.

Our first bread was baked. I liked the crust - it immediately seemed light - left on the heating for 5-7 minutes - it turned out rosy. I knocked bread out of the spruce mold (it’s easy for me in Panasonic, maybe because the mixers hang freely on the screw, but here there are two of them). Probably need to wait about 20 minutes, and then shake it out. Or maybe from the fact that in the confusion I forgot to lubricate the stirrers with oil - as the instructions say (I don't do this at home, that's why I forgot).

On my first breads, too, it seemed lightish, and then somehow it got hot. The pin was already used to lubricating it and even in Moulinex I also smear it. But I would not advise waiting for 20 minutes, bread manages to damp during this time, max 5-7 minutes. Although maybe that's the only way for me.

Well, I'm not used to baking on such a shape and even measuring flour with glasses.I'm more used to measuring flour in grams, but here are glasses

For me, it was also difficult with glasses, I'm used to it in grams. Therefore, I measure only in grams. For my flour, 1 glass of wheat = 150 grams, rye = 130. And about the weight. For myself, I decided not to focus especially on the amount of flour in the recipe, but to bookmark this way for 450 g - 300 g of flour, for 900 g - 600 g of flour. From this I dance and the weight is now as it should at the exit.
And the first pancake bread is not at all lumpy Congratulations! What was the recipe for baking?

And I still have a question - how does the fast mode differ from the ultrafast mode? In addition, in the fast one there is no way to set the size of the loaf, but in the ultrafast one is. And how is the bread on it - baked well?
Thank you

And I still have a question - how does the fast mode differ from the ultrafast mode? In addition, in the fast one there is no way to set the size of the loaf, but in the ultrafast one is. And how is the bread on it - baked well?
Thank you

I have never used ultrafast. I made charlotte on the fast one. What is the difference? A HZ

I baked white bread according to the recipe - which is in the instructions (the book with the recipes has not yet been unpacked), I just added a little whey (I always bake bread with whey, I have a lot of it - the child is small - I make cottage cheese every day - that's where I have to - then add whey) and increased the yeast up to 2 tablespoons. In general, there are some interesting recipes - there is not enough yeast - 1.5 hours. l., a lot of 3-4 tbsp. l. In my Panasonic, everything is just for 600g of flour - 2 hours. l. yeast and salt, 2 tbsp. l. sugar and butter - 360 g of water.
For 500g - 1.5 hours. l. yeast and salt, 1.5 tbsp. l sugar and butter - 330 g of water
And always everything

I have never used ultrafast. I made charlotte on the fast one. What is the difference? A HZ

And I often use quick baked goods in Panasonic. You don't always have 4 hours for the main baking. And so I look at a little bread - once in 2 hours the bread is already ready.

As I understand it, you have two HP. How often do you use Binaton?

And I often use quick baked goods in Panasonic. You don't always have 4 hours for the main baking. And so I look at little bread - once in 2 hours the bread is already ready.

As I understand it, you have two HP. How often do you use Binaton?

Use the recipes you're used to. Get used to the modes quickly. And I often use Binaton, more often I bake in it now.