Panasonic: I want to join the ranks, but I doubt it ...

models of the same line (for example 2500 and additional functions on 2501, 2502) there is no "rye" mode. [/ quote
The 2501 has a rye bread function. It differs from 2500 in the presence of a dispenser, a container for additives. I was presented with 2501 OOOO 2.5 years ago (there used to be another, simpler one) and I became a fan of her. Sooo good! Rye baked today, it turns out great! Especially if you replace the water with whey in the recipe. She also makes dough for dumplings. Recommend!

[Gingi]

Gingi, not that difficult. if done according to the recipes from the instructions. Cope, I think. Although my mother would not have coped - she does not use any appliances at all in the kitchen (even a silicone spatula ... even if she agreed to a wooden one, otherwise she ruined all the pans), but my mother-in-law has Bork, she uses it with pleasure. It depends on the interest. Do they themselves want something?

It depends on the interest. Do they themselves want something?

The principle is that the neighbor has it and I need it. Were visiting someone and liked the fresh bread. Now they want, but how it will be further unknown. If it is very difficult it will be impossible to cope.

I am very glad that I bought this particular bread maker, although it is tall and needs a place for it !!! I still regret it. that I did not buy a model with a black bread function. I have a Panasonic SD-2500, only one drawback is that there is no program and a paddle. Of course, the dear is especially now, but she has been working for girls for 10-15 years !!! The bread is excellent, I found my own flour and no problem (Peku on Starooskolskaya)

[prubul]

prubul, yes, much, if not almost everything, depends on flour. We sell different flours, but this one did not come across. Now I will study the assortment more closely.

Yes, the most important thing is that there is a "Bakery" This brand has a lot of types in such a package (Blue motive). They say good Kazakh flour (they have it from durum wheat), but I did not bake it. Well, the scales, of course. I bake mainly "Mode 02" "Basic-fast 2 hours. Maybe this is not correct, but this time and bread suit me. I would remove the" temperature equalization "function - an extra hour (instead of 3 x-4 hours) Another advantage that the loaf is evenly baked. (for some manufacturers, the sides are baked, and the top is light)

[nata4a]

nata4aI wrote that the simplest 2500 does not have rye in the line, and the 2501 and 2502 have additional functions. Maybe she formulated the phrase not very clearly ...
prubul, I didn’t find bread flour in the stores at all (although it can be found in semi-wholesale ones) - I bake with Altai "Aleika" of the first grade (we have it in almost any store) - everything works out great (I just take + 5-10 gr to the recipe). And I'm certainly not a professional baker with 10 years of experience, but in my opinion bread in 2 hours is a conditionally edible profanation with elephantine yeast a la "death to the stomach".
GingiIt is not at all difficult to cope with a bread maker, although at first it is scary to screw up or break it)) The main thing is to buy a small scale for weighing flour; do not be afraid to open the lid during the kneading process (the flour can be slightly different and by the appearance of the "kolobok" when you use the flour for the first time, you can decide whether you need to add it, but if you do not do this, then the bread is usually also tasty, except that the top crust can be flat or sunken inward); find shops with normal yeast and other necessary ingredients (I wandered around the city in search of red malt, and then I found it in a nearby store where honey and all sorts of eco-candies are sold); and find a place in a small kitchen where you can dry washed buckets-cups)) However, sometimes it is difficult for older people to understand everything new - then it will be more of a hassle ... Then there is an option - buy, try to bake yourself and explain to them clearly process (it is completely useless to give instructions to my elderly aunt, but learning "on the fingers" is excellent). They will understand and like it - give it back, no - leave it for yourself and you will treat them

[VENIKA]

"an elephantine amount of yeast a la" death to the stomach. "(For some reason, the quote selection button stopped working)" VENIKA I agree, but I reduced the amount of yeast - there according to the recipe 3. h, l I add 2 h, l. The bread is normal, well baked, the crumb is restored when pressed, but not very high. During our lifetime, there is not only their number, how many horrors and about the quality of flour began to show !!! We watched NTV, and about feed grain in flour !!! https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...n=com_smf&topic=473857.60

[prubul]

prubul, Coarse grain in flour is not a tragedy, but the bread stick, about which they have been actively broadcasting from screens lately, is really terrible disgusting

Do not tell me how the stove tolerates power surges, and most importantly, when is it not 220 but lower?

[Gingi]

Gingi, Mom is under 70 years old. I bought her a panasosh too, but only more abruptly than mine with a dispenser
bakes bread according to the recipe for hp. does not bother with new items. everything always works out

I did not face power surges, life forced the oven at night. Everyone in the city is asleep and the tension does not jump !!!

As far as I know, above 220 is really dangerous, but below ... it depends on how long and for how long. Itself did not come across (only with a complete sudden shutdown), but theoretically - the stove will turn off, the program will interrupt, with a relatively fast voltage normalization, it will continue (Panasonic's program "is saved in memory" in my opinion for about 40 minutes, which even creates problems if necessary immediately start a new mode, but it is invaluable with such "outages"), with a prolonged and strong decrease in voltage or disconnection (let's say more than an hour) - the program will stop. I had the second case, but the dough managed to mix and had time to rise, so I just turned on the "baking" mode upon arrival and everything was baked perfectly.

In Panasonic, the memory of the settings when the power is turned off is 30 minutes. Checked.

Hello. we ordered yesterday for a bread maker24. рф Panasonic SD-ZB2502 and ordered delivery to Irkutsk. and now bang and such a picture ... I don't even know what to do now ...

Added on Tuesday 20 Dec 2016 03:24 PM

and I was in vain nervous, just called back and confirmed the order for my Panasonic, my pressure just jumped because of all this !!!!! that I contacted the scammers !! you are breeding chukhnya and nonsense here I will get my stove on Friday in my life I will not believe more forums

[valentina67isaeva]

valentina67isaeva, despite our "chukhnya and nonsense", please, unsubscribe about the result. We are all not indifferent to this and together with you we will be glad if everything ends well.

I bought model 2512 three years ago. I'm very happy! But ... I didn’t like the baking with the rye on the program (either it doesn’t interfere with all the flour, or it won’t have time to rise), I knead it on the "dough" program, help the mixer get flour from the corners of the bucket with a silicone spatula, stop it, bake it in two hours on the program "bakery products". I do not always use a special paddle, I did not feel the difference. I think that dispensers are not needed. The big one opens when everything has spilled out of it and hangs down, the rising cake rests against it. (I have already broken the spring and I closed it tightly) Yeast can be thrown into the bucket and so on, the dispenser "shoots" loudly 4 times when the yeast is poured out. If the kitchen is nearby, you can hear it at night. For me - do not overpay for dispensers. I left the bread with yeast, I bake with sourdough, on the "French" program. So I don't need them at all. I'll throw the seeds into the bucket anyway, along with the flour. Definitely a very good oven, only I bought it without dispensers for my daughter's gift.

[valentina67isaeva]

valentina67isaeva, this forum helped me a lot, but the shops here did not seem to advertise. I personally buy in

Ozone

3 years already . So far, there are no complaints !!! Write to us how are you doing ???

I sincerely thank you, dear girls, for your kind words of support! now a text message has come that your goods have left the warehouse, you just have to wait ...
I hope it will come safe and sound, as if nothing happened here ...

Let's wait and hope, don't worry !!!!

[valentina67isaeva]

valentina67isaeva, do you have no prepayment?

I did not find a prepayment from them, they promise delivery by mail and courier,
a window opened, asked a question about payment in cash upon receipt of the goods, but there is still no answer

And you will not wait.
Panas ordered from them, after reading the reviews.
The boy called back and began to ask what was the basis of such a choice.
I tried to dissuade: I scared with unreliable plastic parts.
He said that a maximum of a year or two is a resource.
I was persistent. I say "I made a choice, I am ready to drive up and pick it up." I am from them in 5 minutes by car.
Received a refusal "we have a lot of people, the order is only for tomorrow."
In the morning they call back "error. This model is not available."

LOKHOTRON!

Now I'm thinking where to buy and what :) In fact, Panas is not an end in itself. Before that, LG was. I worked for 5 years. the last year has been painful. The problems are standard: the bucket passes the slurry down, because the oil seals are leaking. Replacing oil seals and bearings no longer helps.
In principle, I would take the same.
But we are also looking at Panas. In chain stores 11-13 thousand. a bit sorry :)

In chain stores 11-13 thousand. a bit sorry :)

You can buy a little cheaper - for 9 (on the Yandex market)

For 9 only without dispenser. I'm looking for Panas 2501. 11-14 thousand on Yandex. However, LV was also without a dispenser. We didn't strain too much. And everything was baked well.

Added on Friday 23 Dec 2016 1:00 PM

and I was in vain nervous, just called back and confirmed the order for my Panasonic, my pressure just jumped because of all this !!!!! that I contacted the scammers !! you are breeding chukhnya and nonsense here I will get my stove on Friday in my life I will not believe more forums

If you get and receive exactly what you ordered, then that's great! And if it also works, it's great!

But the telephone is such an unreliable thing. Yesterday at 6 pm I was told that the goods are available and can be picked up the next day, but today "sorry, there is an error in the program, there is no goods"

Try to order Panas 2501 :) for sure it is and the plastic part may break :)))
PS just ordered a different number for the missing model. They said that everything is there, there is no way to pick it up, delivery for tomorrow. Issued. They immediately called back and said "oh, it's over again. It will be after the holidays."

Draw your own conclusions.

[Sergey_Vyazma]

Sergey_Vyazma, if you want to save money - buy without a dispenser.

[Sergey_Vyazma]

Sergey_Vyazma, at a well-known flea market there are not bad options, there are even new ones in the package, someone bought and donated and did not like it, only the right model needs to be caught. You can buy for half the price from the store.
There is now a new Panasonic SD 2501 Automatic Bakery on sale for 8K.

In, exactly! I completely forgot about the flea market, but in vain. Thanks for the advice!

[valentina67isaeva]

valentina67isaeva How are you? Has the stove come? How does it work?

Kind :) In general, such a situation, for 3 years already in my use Moulinex 3101 UNO. White wheat bread is baked well, the dough is kneaded well. But rye, wheat-rye, whole-grain bread ... not very much. The crumb is not porous, heavy, poorly lifted and the taste is not very good, although according to the recipe ((I want a more luxuriant crumb like in a store. I decided to replace it with Panasonic 2502 or 2512. Does it make sense, what do you say?

It seems to me there is no point, you just need to understand the errors why rye does not work. Try the Fugaskin recipe, though it's 50x50

[mowgli]

mowgli, can you poke a recipe? I'll try :)

https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=596.0.html

[valentina67isaeva]

valentina67isaeva How are you? Has the stove come? How does it work?

It is strange that there is no answer. And meanwhile Thyvikhleb24. рф is now under a different name (advertising is on our website). It is not clear why a trade company would need to change its name for the third time ...
I went for an advertisement, for a website, and the address is old. Yes, everything is the same, except for the name of the site

Draw conclusions.

PS if someone was presented with two bread makers for the new year and one of them is not needed - I will buy :) they are interested in Panasy or LG.
In Moscow!

is there no proven recipe with malt?

is there no proven recipe with malt?

I add liquid malt to this recipe 2 tablespoons, 2 tablespoons of vinegar, caraway seeds and dry cilantro, half a teaspoon each

Added Wednesday 04 Jan 2017 01:24 PM

There in the subject there are also options with malt-girls write

[Kudryawka]

But rye, wheat-rye, whole-grain bread ... not very much. The crumb is not porous, heavy, poorly raised and the taste is not very good, although according to the recipe ((

Kudryawka, The taste and color of all markers are different, so I want to clarify - is it the high content of rye flour that is important to you, or do you just want something "gray-black" for a variety of taste and appearance? It's just that rye bread, in principle, should rise worse. Therefore, for a change, I make "pseudo-black" by adding no more than 80-100g of rye to the total 400g of flour in a small loaf, and "finishing up" it to its taste and appearance by adding dry red malt and instant chicory, as well as ground cumin with coriander, well and fermented baked milk for higher viscosity. More specifically - the 3rd version of my modification (only water is better than 190 ml, not 200, but depends on the manufacturers of the stove and flour) https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=437876.0 this recipe from Lana https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=86176.0 If you take red malt with a slide or 3 tbsp. l., then the bread looks quite black and the taste is certainly "not white"))
And I made whole grain (with a high content of whole grain flour) just once and I don't want it anymore - it turned out to be a low and dense brick with an extremely peculiar taste (I had to feed the birds).

Good evening.
I am choosing the first Panasonic bread machine, namely 2501 and 2510.
In your opinion, is it important to have a dispenser, which significantly affects the price?
And which function is more useful: low-yeast bread or rye? Is it possible to bake rye bread on the basic setting? Is it possible to bake FULLY yeast-free bread?

Thank you so much.

I can only partially answer. I do not have a yeast function, I do it on the usual one, but I knead the low-yeast one, and then turn it off and set it on the timer. But, if there was money, I bought the one with all the functions

Kind! As for the dispenser, I will answer with confidence - it does not matter. I have 2500 and I can do just fine without this bells and whistles. I need a bread maker so that there is always delicious bread in the house and she copes with it. If sometimes you want bread with raisins or with nuts-seeds, then she gives a signal when you can open the lid and pour it out by hand. I almost always put the bread on at night and go to bed. But some people like the dispenser and this is their choice. I just want to warn you that almost all dispensers work with a loud sound, sometimes they do not open. But that's how lucky. Many don't complain. In 2501, a comb-type spatula is also included for rye bread. I can also say that the standard 2500 spatula copes well with kneading rye bread dough.
Good luck to you!

[Angelinesfood]

Angelinesfood, I have 2510 with low yeast, without rye and dispenser. From experience, low-yeast bread is convenient (if you want bread 1 hour faster than French and tastier than the main one), but its presence is not critical - and on the whole it turns out quite tasty bread, and the low-yeast recipe can be baked in the French mode. A dispenser, as I understand it, is needed to use pressed yeast or additives such as seeds in the "autopilot" mode, but there are good recipes for pressed yeast, for example, from Thalia. Rye is a useful thing (there is a separate mode and an additional spatula) if you like bread with a high content of rye flour "on the machine" (in principle, you can help outside with a silicone spatula during kneading), and according to the features of the mode, there is a shorter program - kneading 10 minutes and time lifting 1h 20 - 1h 50 min - (based on 1h 50 - 2h 20), but craftsmen and in the basic mode like rye bake. Absolutely without yeast, no oven will bake bread for you (this is perhaps cakes from dumplings in a frying pan or waffles)))

[Angelina, first of all, be guided by your needs. A bread maker is not bought for a month or even a year.]

In your opinion, is it important to have a dispenser, which significantly affects the price?

This dispenser is convenient if you are going to bake bread with additives on the machine from start to finish, even with a delay, you can put it at any time and just pull out the finished one. Convenient for VERY busy people.
I, like Vitaly, can calmly add on a signal. For 3 years I only baked bread with fillings a couple of times, we don't like it

And which function is more useful: low-yeast bread or rye bread?

More useful is the function that you need. Does your family like rye bread ??

Is it possible to bake rye bread on the basic setting?

Yes, absolutely possible. The bread is good.

Is it possible to bake FULLY yeast-free bread?

Possible. It can be soda bread, in fact - muffin.
It is also possible to bake sourdough bread, but this with a large share of your participation and is very difficult. Much depends on your experience in baking in general.

In any case, be guided by the tastes of your family first of all. To their needs and capabilities, both financial and physical in terms of participation in the baking process.

Added Saturday 07 Jan 2017 03:26

The dispenser, as I understand it, is needed to use compressed yeast

No, this is not for compressed yeast. Large dispenser for dry additives: nuts, cereals, herbs / spices, dried fruits ...

Added Saturday 07 Jan 2017 03:32

according to the features of the mode - there, in my opinion, the proving time is different

There are many different modes for a reason, as it turned out. Time, temperature, kneading, kneading ... EVERYTHING is balanced for the preparation of a particular type of bread. Yes, you can bake rye on the main program, and low-yeast in French, and the bread will work out, but it will still be different from the one that will be baked on the program designed specifically for him

Italian light bread will not work with the French program. French, as it should be, will not work in basic ...

The choice is a personal matter. Someone gets by with simple, but someone needs everything and in different versions

Added Saturday 07 Jan 2017 03:36 AM

No oven will bake bread absolutely without yeast

Veronica, this could be soda bread. Our friend can't eat yeast, so he eats soda. This bread is traditional in Ireland. But honestly - not for everybody. With a bread maker, it looks like this: I quickly mixed it in a separate bowl, put it in a bucket and immediately on baking. Done!

Added Saturday 07 Jan 2017 03:40 AM

which significantly affects the price?

Angelina, first of all, be guided by your needs. A bread maker is not bought for a month or even a year.
If it contains everything you need, you will not even remember the price paid.

Added Saturday 07 Jan 2017 03:50 AM

The dispenser, as I understand it, is needed to use compressed yeast

Now I have HP with such a dispenser. I wondered what was written in the instructions for the recipe with fresh yeast. And it is written to put pressed yeast at the bottom of the bucket for dry ingredients, as in ovens without dispensers.
And then I did not know how it was according to the instructions then

As for the dispenser, I will answer with confidence - it does not matter. I have 2500 and I can do just fine without this bells and whistles. I need a bread maker so that there is always delicious bread in the house and she copes with it. If sometimes you want bread with raisins or with nuts-seeds, then she gives a signal when you can open the lid and pour it out by hand. I almost always put the bread on at night and go to bed. But some people like the dispenser and this is their choice. I just want to warn you that almost all dispensers work with a loud sound, sometimes they do not open.

I totally agree. I, too, have a Panasonic 2500 for about 5 years and the opinion is the same about the rye bread scoop too. In general, I think that the presence of a dispenser is a marketing ploy, but this is my personal opinion, maybe someone thinks differently.

[at the beginning]

In general, I think that the presence of a dispenser is a marketing ploy, but this is my personal opinion, maybe someone thinks differently.

Just about necessary / unnecessary ... I thought so too, but! HP is generally made to facilitate the entire process of making bread at home. In it, they made not only different programs, but also a delay, which is also very convenient. And various other ...
About supplements. If you lay them at the beginning and do nothing until the bread is completely ready, then it will grind them into dust or pretty frayed during the full kneading time, so they came up with an additive on a signal. Thank you! Who has the ability and desire to add what you need on signal, they are happy to do it themselves. But there are people who do not have such opportunities, because of the same job, or simply do not want, also a personal choice. There is a moment for a person, sometimes just a few minutes, to put everything that needs to be put in HP, set the time and leave, leaving everything on the machine, and when they return to take out the ready-made bread, they do so, but additives ... here the dispenser is indispensable for baking completely on the machine.
The fact that it does not always work is a slightly different question.

With or without a dispenser, the stove is great!

In general, I think that the presence of a dispenser is a marketing ploy, but this is my personal opinion, maybe someone thinks differently.

I think differently Like other "nice little things" - the dispenser is made for ease of use. For example, electricity is cheaper at night. This means that it will be cheaper and more convenient to bake a raisin bun using a dispenser. You put the stove on at night, add what you need to the dispenser, and in the morning you get delicious bread with raisins or flax seeds, as an option. And in the daytime, when you put on bread with additives, it is not always convenient to listen to when it beeps and run to add ingredients. Not everything can be put in a bucket right away. There is experience in using the oven with and without a dispenser. So the first one is more convenient.

Of course, you can live without a dispenser, but if you have one, it's just more convenient and a little easier, as with any other little things in our kitchen.

Naturally, when buying, you need to think about what kind of bread will be baked more often? If it is supposed to have a lot of baking, the addition of nuts, apples, and so on - then the dispenser will be more needed, if ordinary bread and rarely with additives - then yes, you can save money.

I rarely use a rye spatula either, I forget about it. The usual one does a great job.

Some people still wonder why we need a bread maker in our house, a slow cooker, a dryer and other joys?

Hello respected community
I ask for help
I want to buy a bread oven
Panasonic SD-207 turned up
for 1900r.
is it worth taking ..
I would like rye
but it doesn't have such a program ...
Thank you.

[cw]

cwIt depends on the condition, see the bucket cover, the model is quite old.

[cw]

cwIt depends on the condition, see the bucket cover, the model is quite old.

yes model 2006. birth
but did not work
but about rye, too, as it is not clear
it seems there is a multi program will it go for rye
Thank you

[cw]

cw, Rye in a bread maker, if there is no such function https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=1038.0 in general, pure rye bread is quite heavy for the stomach.

[cw]

cw, Rye in a bread maker, if there is no such function https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=1038.0 in general, pure rye bread is quite heavy for the stomach.

understandably.
well maybe 50/50
I just try not to use white ...
Well, in general, if the point is to take it?
Thank you

I ask for help
I want to buy a bread oven
Panasonic SD-207 turned up
for 1900r.

If HP has not yet been in operation, then for such a price it is even easy to understand whether HP can be taken. Because the prices for HP are the cheapest, if I'm not mistaken, they start from 4000r and above

Added on Tuesday 17 Jan 2017 05:26 PM

but about rye, too, as it is not clear
it seems there is a multi program will it go for rye
Thank you

I have Hitachi HP And there is no RYE bread mode in it, but I baked more than once There are many wonderful recipes for rye bread on our forum