Panasonic: I want to join the ranks, but I doubt it ...

Up to 45 minutes, then you need to knead

I usually hold it for an hour (first in cotton, then I take out the bucket to cool). I make sure that the dough does not overheat during the 2nd batch. An hour for my Altai flour is just right.

But the initial long kneading is definitely not needed for us.

agree with this

yes, at least three hours if in the cold
if the flour is slow, then normal, more gluten. But in summer it is sometimes warm and 45 minutes is already a lot.
If the HP kneads very much, then it will not hurt to cool the dough in the refrigerator before kneading))

And yet, dear members of the forum, I have not slept since Friday. I will never choose 2501,2511 or 2502. I know the difference. The question is whether the basic regime with filling and low-yeast is really necessary. I have to order, but still there is not enough money for 2512 (she would solve all my problems) and in 2511, where there are these modes, it is embarrassing that there are few reviews about her on the Yandex market compared to the same 2501 and 2502, and that the weight of the loaf is 1000 g and not 1250 (is this parameter even critical ??) and does it stir well? I came across forums that supposedly leaves a lot in the corners. Before that, there was only an experience with Redmond 1909, as much as 16 days. Then she happily died (the electronic plateau and the engine died overnight) 2502 is essentially the same 2501 only in metal and with a second dispenser (by the way, is it really necessary for yeast ??? at a loss

[Dasha 001]

Dasha 001, I also suffered with the choice and chose 2511. I do not regret a minute or even a second about it. White beauty decorates the kitchen and create any wishes with her.
I'm just happy to wipe my beauty after each use. I put on a timer constantly for this, a yeast dispenser is not needed. Night bread seems to me more delicious and fluffy.

Is the weight of the loaf enough? Well, what is 1000 and not 1250? and how is this mode low-yeast? necessary? it is he who interests, because I think the main stuffed one can be safely replaced with the main one with raisins. and is everything ok with the promes? does not leave flour around the edges?

but still there is not enough money for 2512

You are lucky, Dasha, that there is not enough money for 2512! This is the money you would have thrown away for a worthless yeast dispenser and for the piece of iron that was wrapped around the 2511 for "beauty" and higher prices. The mechanisms for all three models are the same, so about the impurities in the corners of the 2511, these are the fantasies of some owners who did not sit until the end of the batch. So you have no problem. Take 2511 if you are going to bake on all ... eleven programs. We generally bake bread from 400 gr. flour to eat in 2 days and bake fresh again. The fresh one has such a stunning aroma. Good luck to you!

Take 2511 if you are going to bake on all ... eleven programs.

Well, thank you!!!!! otherwise I have already re-read the entire Runet. Of course, I'm not a baker yet, because I consider 16 days with Redmond to be zero experience)) but I always think that if there is an opportunity to take equipment with a potential margin of power and functionality, then we must take it! By the way, another question: I was in one of the chain stores of household appliances, where they dissuaded me from Panasonic, they say, they have a plastic drive. And they actively wooed me with kenwood (in my opinion 450). Moreover, ordering all the same via the Internet gathered there 8910 costs, and not 13390 like these citizens. So, did this fact cause any problems / breakdowns?

Is the weight of the loaf enough? Well, what is 1000 and not 1250? and how is this mode low-yeast?

I have never baked more than L, it is better to bake more often than the bread will become wormy.
I bake low-yeast bread periodically, I like this bread.

And yet 2511 is different from 2511WTS? I understand this is just a designation for which market was it produced?

[Dasha 001]

Dasha 001, I can't say about these models, I have 2510. These modes are there. But there are no yeast and raisin dispensers. For yeast, I personally do not need a dispenser at all, you can put yeast on the bottom under flour and that's it. For raisins, that's taste and color. I didn't need him either. It mixes very well with me, nothing remains in the corners. And at the expense of the weight of the loaf, I generally always bake the smallest size. For me it's better more often, but fresh every time))

Familiar song! Say "Phe!" and proudly leave.

So, did this fact cause any problems / breakdowns?

Did not call. The design is thought out in such a way that when overloaded, the tine will break (a penny, by the way), and the engine will be saved. This is the so-called guaranteed scrapping design. It is extremely rare when someone inadvertently adds cement to the flour.

You are lucky, Dasha, that there is not enough money for 2512! This is the money you would have thrown away for a worthless yeast dispenser and for the piece of iron that was wrapped around the 2511 for "beauty" and higher prices.

I agree completely

[Witu]

What a pity, Dasha, that you do not have enough money for 2512! The elegant metal case with a black lid fits perfectly into my kitchen. The yeast dispenser turned out to be very convenient, since I often bake with a pre-mix and a delayed start. And if you have a dispenser, it doesn't matter how long the delay is - the bread will not last anyway.
But this is me - rather Witu
Take 2511 - all the local inhabitants who have such a machine are very happy. Low-yeast mode is very nice, I often use it.
And the size of bread - the largest I never bake, although I have active eaters. I bake medium - 500 grams of flour. At first, of course, they ate in one sitting. And when they are full, the loaf is enough for 2 days. If possible, put it overnight with a delayed start - you can completely switch to homemade bread without any difficulty.
So, while I was writing, you have already been answered

if you have a dispenser, it doesn't matter how long the delay is - the bread will not last anyway.

With its absence, everything is exactly the same, it has been tested by multiple batches, but my choice was between these two models precisely because of the color of the stove.

[SvetaI]

What a pity, Dasha, that you do not have enough money for 2512! The elegant metal case with a black lid fits perfectly into my kitchen. The yeast dispenser turned out to be very convenient, since I often bake with a pre-mix and a delayed start. And if you have a dispenser, it doesn't matter how long the delay is - the bread will not last anyway.
But this is me - rather Vitu

SvetaI, Svetlana,
I am very happy with my assistant, though I bought her with a good bonus discount, and so, of course, they could have slightly lower the price on her.

[Dasha]

Dasha,

all Panasonic (in the Russian market) have the same bucket volume. Therefore, all these 1000 and 1250 are typos on the Internet.
Yeast dispenser - I wanted to write that it is completely optional stray. BUT Sveta is right, if it is with pre-mixing, then it is quite useful. But only if with pre-mixing, during normal operation it is not needed.
I will not judge the appearance, here who likes what.
WTS - yes, designation of the type of car for a certain market, Russian. Europeans have different numbers and programs, respectively.
Additional programs are a nice thing. I would not dissuade you from a fancy model - you will not regret it, but if you desperately need to save money, you will also not be lost without dispensers and additional progs. You can get out, a little less convenience.
Of all that you have listed - 2512 is the most sophisticated, 2511 is in second place, there is no yeast dispenser
the rest are without additional programs.
2502 - with two dispensers (then it's better than 2501 - if you bake with pre-mix), 2501 - without a yeast dispenser.
But the yeast dispenser has a small drawback - it pops when opened on every program. That is, the car with it is noisier.
About I will not. Appetite comes with eating. Now - it seems not necessary, and then the timer will come in handy.

Impurities and stuff - complete nonsense. Don't even go into it. All modern cars do not suffer from this, if not marriage.
Only Panasonic's build quality is the coolest in the Russian HP market for breakdowns during operation.

The Kenwood 450 is a decent car because it has one very cool Home Mode. The rest of the modes are rougher than Panasonic ones and require a lot of flour, and not the one in the nearest store.
It is at Kenwood that the assembly of the bucket assembly is very weak and breaks down, and the Kenwood service is not the most friendly and budgetary for parts.
We here made a choice towards Panasonic for objective reasons. Too lazy to rewrite a hundred times, I have already explained more than once how the modes of Panasonic differ from Kenwood and other machines. For domestic flour - Panasonic is the best.

WTS - yes, designation of the type of car for a certain market, Russian. Europeans have different numbers and programs, respectively.

So, if this designation is not found in the online store, just 2511 for 8910, when in mvideo 2511wts costs 13990. The essence of this does not change? will it also be Russified and with 28 programs?

In its absence, everything is exactly the same, it has been tested by multiple batches, but my choice was between these two models precisely because of the color of the stove.

Yes, all supplementary programs, like dispensers, simply relieve headaches and provide convenience. You can also get out with the yeast on pre-mixing, calculating their optimal amount)))
You can imitate missing programs, manually throw raisins, and so on
If you need to save money, then everything can be solved. It's just a matter of convenience. In my eyes, a dispenser for additives is more needed (well, I like it, although it is also possible without it) a dispenser for yeast.

[Dasha 001]

Dasha 001, Dasha, take 2511.
Low yeast is often used

[upon delivery]

so, what if this designation is not present ??? found in the online store just 2511 for 8910, when in mvideo 2511wts costs 13990. The essence of this does not change? will it also be Russified and with 28 programs?

you need to look at the program panel. If it is in Russian, then fig letters are Russian model.
If in bourgeois - then European (my weakness is what I would like terribly, and not these of our 2512 Russians)
Mvideo is an expensive store. And so 2511 with a Russian display is the same everywhere.
The main thing is that the design of the docks on a typewriter is good, so that there are no traces of operation or visible defects on the typewriter. When they bring it, it would be useful to run a quick program for a minute and see what is heating up, start the Baking program and also make sure that it is heating up.
It would be nice if there was a possibility of returning to the store within two weeks. In general, pay attention to the service and so that without prepayment, and upon delivery to pay

[Dasha 001]

Dasha 001, did you find a bread maker on the site hlebniy-? If I am not mistaken, there is a razvodilovo. Somewhere here on the forum they wrote about this site.



Dasha, take 2510. There are all modes as in 2512 except rye. But it will be cheaper than all)))

[Dasha]

Dashadon't worry. In our stores, only Russian models are sold, otherwise I would have bought myself a European woman a long time ago, otherwise I would have to mess with the Amazons-fucks for scrap. Avito is also not dropped. I would have taken it.
Therefore, only buy our Russian joy. Just take it upon delivery without prepayment, check the docks, carefully inspect the machine and, if possible, test it.

[Dasha 001]

Dasha 001, did you find a bread maker on the website of the bread house? If I am not mistaken, there is a razvodilovo. Somewhere here on the forum they wrote about this site.

exactly there . But they get paid after the fact. What is the divorce then maybe ...

[Dasha]

Dasha, there are such dishonest shops, when the repaired equipment is then resold cheaper, without notifying the buyer. Or it seems like with a prepayment, and then pull-pull with the delivery and ask to pay in advance.
You do not risk anything anywhere if you don’t give money to your grandfather’s village and take the goods without careful inspection from the outside and from the inside with the inclusion, sign the acceptance certificate in advance, even if you are under pressure when the goods are brought. Do everything carefully and slowly, then you will not be thrown. Although, when buying in a store with a name, it is more likely to get service and a brand new product later.
But I often save money and it seems like nothing Then you just have to be very attentive and careful

[Dasha 001]

Dasha 001, wrote that they are beginning to persuade other firms on HP, such as this one is not available right now. And so in the end they are not sent. What is the meaning is not clear. But in principle, you are not risking anything. You can try, then tell us)

Dasha 001, they wrote that they are beginning to persuade other firms to use HP, such as this one is not available right now. And so in the end they are not sent. What is the meaning is not clear. But basically you

No, no, no need to try, only Panasonic, albeit the most porous, but only he

[Dasha 001]

Dasha 001, wrote that they are beginning to persuade other firms on HP, such as this one is not available right now. And so in the end they are not sent. What is the meaning is not clear. But in principle, you are not risking anything. You can try, then tell us)

here are those on ... yes, yes, I'll write later

[Dasha 001]

Dasha 001, wrote that they are beginning to persuade other firms on HP, such as this one is not available right now. And so in the end they are not sent. What is the meaning is not clear. But in principle, you are not risking anything. You can try, then tell us)

in general, I decided to play it safe. Ordered in m video. with all promotional codes and a discount for online payment came out 11815 rubles. Better so. But there will really be someone to present their rights if something happens. And let it be 2 tons. more expensive, but here and now than there for 9000 + delivery of about 1000 and do not know how long to wait. In general, I'll start creating in the evening !!!!

[Dasha 001]

Dasha 001, congratulations on your purchase !!!

[Dasha 001]

Dasha 001, did the right thing.

Dasha 001, congratulations! You will not regret! I have had Panasik for 9 years, I have used a dispenser for additives three times. The bread did not work 2 times - I forgot to put the stirrer ... No matter how I screw it up, it will still bake and tasty, well, it will blow the roof. Doesn't affect the taste!

[Witu]

But this is me - rather Witu

Svetlana, what about Vit? I did not scold 2512. The same wonderful gals only at a yeast dispensary, which may not work. The piece of iron performs the function of beauty, it looks good. Although this is not reflected in the taste of the bread. You have a wonderful but expensive bread maker

Too lazy to rewrite a hundred times, I have already explained more than once how the modes of Panasonic differ from Kenwood and other machines. For domestic flour - Panasonic is the best.

Poke where to read, It’s painfully curious just))) And by the way, I’m baking my second loaf Yesterday there was a "Frenchman" (he is in the photo. I don't know, but it tasted good and why the photo is not inserted before me, too comes to how to fix it). Today rye with honey and black tea (in Redmond, this recipe turned out with a bang. Let's see what happens here in 1.5 hours)
By the way, I bought 2511 all the same: the second dispenser and a metal bucket, instead of a plastic one, are indecently expensive. Happy as an elephant !!! Thanks again to everyone for help in choosing

Did you find a bread maker on the site of the bread house ru? If I am not mistaken, there is a razvodilovo. Somewhere here on the forum they wrote about this site.

For the sake of interest, I left a request for a call back there yesterday. Alas, no one called back. I went further: I placed an order. BUT again no one called back to confirm it. Today I called them myself. Wait. We will call you back. The conversation is short. made another call after 3 hours. The answer is the same: we will call you until 15 o'clock. It’s 17.30 now.Probably not even worth writing - the call never came. What is the catch, I still do not understand. But I'm incredibly happy that my husband already yesterday tapped her with m video.
So I confirm: site: bread house-scam. The seller is unreliable

You have a wonderful but expensive bread maker

Beauty requires sacrifice
My white plastic doesn't fit anywhere. And they say that these stoves are very durable. So I imagined how a white elephant in the middle of the kitchen would annoy me for 10 years. I decided that nerves are more expensive
And the yeast dispenser is an added bonus. Once it is there, then I use it. If it breaks, I will stop using

Oops ...

But for me, only all the equipment should be "Snow White", maybe the taste is

But for me, only all the equipment should be "Snow White", maybe the taste is

To which my wife in such cases says: "This is not a kitchen, but an operating room!" Especially if the rest of the interior is in white, with white tiles ...

[Kapet]

Kapet, a good comparison, but dirt is better visible on white and therefore it is easier to care for the devices

I collected for my wet nurse for 2 years (she just came out then), how we lived without her, I can't imagine. I bake every day, pizza dough, pasties, buns, etc. etc. children love. Nobody got fat. If I was faced with a choice once again took it. Many thanks to the site and users for the sea of ​​information.

For the sake of interest, I left a request for a call back there yesterday. Alas, no one called back. I went further: I placed an order. BUT again no one called back to confirm it. Today I called them myself. Wait. We will call you back. The conversation is short. made another call after 3 hours. The answer is the same: we will call you until 15 o'clock. It’s 17.30 now. Probably not even worth writing - the call never came. What is the catch, I still do not understand.

A very strange site. Recently I also bought HP, I was very tempted by their prices, but I read the reviews and decided not to bother. Bought in Mediamarkt, albeit more expensive, but immediately and more reliable

And at the expense of color, how interesting. And the truth is, everyone has different tastes. All the models matched my kitchen in color. I have it in black and white plus metal. I originally wanted 2512 in terms of functionality, but the sight of it just turned me on, I thought, well, I must come up with such a terrible thing. White also seemed not very beautiful in design, but much better))). Now I have 2510 and I am very glad that it is she, I adore her, my beauty !!! and also saved money on dispensers)))

[caprice23]

caprice23,

And they say that these stoves are very durable.

Aha, I confirm! My SD-255 will soon be 10 years old. Outwardly, almost like new, only there is a darkening on the back of the exhaust. The bucket, of course, was frayed inside, the kneading blades were sawed with knives more than once. But now she plows like a young woman, I'm not overjoyed! The old furrow does not spoil the horse! It was the right choice!

And the yeast dispenser is an added bonus. Once it is there, then I use it. If it breaks, I will stop using

Sveta, if there is a dispenser, then the programs are programmed a little differently, so it will be necessary to repair the dispenser ... I have 2511, bought this year in the spring, specially bought without a yeast dispenser, it knocks very loudly when opening

[Buttercup]

Buttercup, there is nothing special there. If the dispenser breaks down, you can do without it. I usually manage with him when I work without him, because I do it on the dough and everything goes into the dough. There the only difference is that the yeast spills out after about a minute from the beginning of the kneading. The difference in programs is for the additive dispenser.

[Anchic]

There the only difference is that the yeast spills out after about a minute from the beginning of the kneading.

Anchic, well, this is for me, and the difference is I don't have a dispenser, I put everything on and went to sleep, and then I have to wait for the start and add yeast manually, I understood correctly. In manual mode, I only have rye bread ..

[Buttercup]

Buttercup, why manually, DarAgoy? She fell asleep under the flour, as usual, and went to bed. If the dispenser works, it knocks on idle (he doesn't know that there is no yeast in it). If it doesn't work, it won't knock.

[Anchic]

Yeah, Anchic, I realized, you can still fall asleep with rhinestone ... well, it's good, only he knocks, why did I take it without him, we have no partitions in the house, well, almost, Panasik is behind the "closet", I and with additives at night I don’t bake, the dispenser will knock, so you jump, even in the daytime ... And then there are 2 dispensers ... but if the apartment is like normal people have, and the kitchen is far away and closes, then okay, probably ...

[Dasha001]

Dasha001, congratulations on a great purchase! Let it serve and please for a long, long time!

a metal bucket instead of a plastic one is obscenely expensive

Here is something incomprehensible, who has a plastic bucket? ..

[marinastom]

marinastom, here I was also puzzled ... Maybe the body itself was meant ???

Who else doubts, take it. For the third month now I can't get enough of it. The bread is always delicious. I also make dough in Panasonic now, although there is a kneader. I only regret that I did not buy Pansik earlier
Regarding the color, I have a white 2501. Stands in the closet, specially ordered for household appliances. I bake mainly at night, put it on the countertop, and clean it in the morning. No dissonance with the rest of the technique. Before that there was black Redmond. Enough. By the way, another undoubted plus of Panasonic is its noiselessness and stability during mixing. Redmond bounced around the table with a crash at night even woke me up, although we sleep on another floor. And once in general, Panasonic jumped off the table, kneading very quietly and at the same time not moving a millimeter.

Redmond jumped across the table with a crash at night even woke

Yes, I had the same in front of Panasik Redmond, fear and ugly! Noisy, the baking is bad, the sound signals about the end of work are generally indescribable 13 "peaks" will wake up the dead.