Furniture for kitchen

renard, then I'll go through the posts one more time and copy the info.

There, the pictures are more or less real from the moment you laid out the plan with the actual dimensions.

[Lena]

Lena, and how is it with the pencil case?

Here, for me, the most convenient placement of the oven is right at the level of the countertop, then, for convenience, it is raised half the height, but if there is nowhere to go, then you can leave it under cooking.

[Anchic]

Anchic, in order to somehow "settle" the resulting mess in my head, I summarize.

There are not many concepts, only 3.

1. an approximate repetition of what is now. Refrigerator in a warm corner.
Corner kitchen with modules of different depths on different sides of the corner. One by one 60, by the second - about 40.
Sink in the corner, 80-85 wide with a facade of 40 or 45 .. Cooking somewhere between the window and the sink. I would not do less than 60-80 cm at such a length between the window and cooking.

2. On the sides of the window there are large appliances - a refrigerator and a column with an oven and microwave.
Or a refrigerator in a "warm corner", and a column in a "cold" one, or vice versa - a "refrigerator" in a "cold corner", where it is not hot and close at hand, a column with an oven in a "warm corner".

A sink of about 80 with the same shallow extension as it is now. Cooking at a distance of at least 60 cm from the sink.

3. "All in one corner" - a refrigerator in a "cold corner", the distance between the refrigerator and the stove is preferably at least 30 cm, the oven is under cooking, the sink - either 80 with a shallow extension along the pantry, or 100+ along the pantry, and to it some other table / tables to the door.



Work surface / surfaces greater than 60 cm wide are only obtained in concept 1, similar to what you have now. A larger dining area is obtained only in concept 3.



oh yes. There is also the 4th, your fantasy based on the pictures laid out in the topic, with which you are going to experiment.
Refrigerator in a warm corner, separate from the working area, corner kitchen with modules of the same depth 60.
check, of course, but I think that nothing good will come of entering and exiting the kitchen with this combination.

Lena, and how is it with the pencil case?

Excellent, as I expected.)) There was supposed to be a cabinet with glass almost to the ceiling above the oven, but the manufacturers screwed it up and it turned out lower than we would like. Well, okay. The appearance has suffered, but it is still inconvenient to get it from the top shelf.))

Fine

For some reason I thought so))



By the way, about the long distance from sink to cooking. I now get 1.2m. And yes, when I wash my hob, I have to go back and forth when I wash off the detergent. That is, this is really the maximum distance that should be made between the sink and the hob. If more, it will strain.

Excellent, as I expected.))

And what about the insidious fumes from the oven?
Doesn't the absence of a hood over the oven bother you?
Do you only turn on the hood during operation?
And what about the heat sink from the oven built into the column and the gaps for it?

By the way, about the long distance from sink to cooking. I now get 1.2m.

And if you take aim, how much should be from the sink bowl to the apron for cooking, so that you do not have to walk at all or take only one step when washing the cooking and apron, then you get a distance of up to 80 cm.
If you take aim at what distance while standing at the sink you will not hit your elbows over the burners in any way, you will get about 50 cm.
And if you take aim, on a surface of what width you can more or less tolerate something to clean, chop, cut, interfere - then it will turn out from 60 cm.
I have the largest working surface 55. Sometimes I feel that I miss those very 5 cm.

And what about the insidious fumes from the oven?

Well, it smells, of course. Where to go? Moreover, the oven is on the opposite edge of the countertop from the hood, there is little to grab with all the desire, but if you ensure the proper supply from that side, then it is quite possible to cleanse the kitchen of unnecessary aromas. But this is solely because my hood is powerful and is brought out of the wall by a short path.

And what about the heat sink from the oven built into the column and the gaps for it?

Due to the large cabinet on top and the large washer at the bottom, the walls near the oven are double, heat does not penetrate through them at all.))

In this wonderful and very informative topic, I will ask for help too. The more I read you, the more I understand that I am not sure of anything now. I will also ask you to draw and tell me in order to squeeze the maximum convenience in use from the available footage.
New building, dimensions of bare walls without interior work. Exhaust box 42 cm deep. There are no doors, only an opening that can be moved to the right to the end of the wall, and if to the left towards the box, then probably 20 centimeters.
The wall opposite the door - from the photo from left to right: wall 120 cm., Window 177 cm, wall 33 cm .. (33 and 39 opposite each other on different walls). The battery is under the window, but it will be recessed into the wall and will not interfere.

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I want - a bottom 92 cm high, a worktop 70 cm deep, cooking induction 2 burners, a dishwasher 45 cm, a sink under the countertop 50x40, a refrigerator 203-70-67, and a microwave oven (can be found up to 45 cm)

Tell me, please, where you can stick, so that it fits both conveniently and beautifully :-)

And where is the sewer riser or the outlet for the kitchen outlet from it? Are there risers for cold water supply, hot water supply, heating in the apartment? Where? Or is it all horizontal wiring on the floor in a screed?
Can you show the plan of the whole apartment? How many people are there in the kitchen, how many take-off seats do you need at the table?

Horizontal wiring in a screed. For heating exactly.
There is a recess with pipes between the box and the wall.
Electro for the stove.
A table for 2 permanent people (the husband wants a round one :-), but this is how it goes)
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Heavy layout. Need to think. And what bearing walls are known? How about all sorts of lawlessness from the quiet series of swapping rooms and kitchens?
Are you law-abiding or are you afraid of nothing?

You can, I will remind you about the basement boxes one more time. It seems to me that for a small kitchen this is a very necessary detail.

Oh yes, this is my favorite trick, but it was not checked out here and even criticized.

refrigerator 203-70-67

Surely that tall? There may be problems with skidding / bringing in.

I had problems with a high refrigerator a couple of times.
The first time was in the early 90s. Parents got an apartment and we moved into it.
The apartment was finished, but a little better than Anya's parents got.
Then they made repairs in pieces, because there was no money. 90s, whence honest people have money at such a time. They installed new interior doors, repaired the corridor, which, with a turn on the way to the kitchen, the parents wanted to make in it a built-in closet-pantry and a mezzanine. The arch, which was still fashionable at that time, was made of wood at the bend of the corridor, in order to protect the outer corners at the bend.
Then, instead of an old low "Pole", the parents chose a new "Atlant" with a height of 205. Well, it didn't go into our kitchen without incident ... I had to disassemble the mezzanine in order to drag it into the kitchen. Because the refrigerator could not crawl through the arched doorway into the kitchen without tilting. And the width of the corridor is such that it is impossible to carry a tall refrigerator along it at an angle with a turn to the kitchen.
And the second time I faced the problem of skidding a large refrigerator already in the 2010s. For myself, after the episode with the big Atlnat, I did not choose very high refrigerators. I chose to be guaranteed to pass through a door with a height of 2 m.refrigerators with a height of just under 2 meters. You never know. What if the refrigerator needs to be moved to another apartment, or rearranged in the apartment from the kitchen somewhere else, my husband and I may not be able to cope with such a whopper in the doorway at a slight slope without outside help.
But one day, for a hut in a new building, which I was planning to rent out, a cheap Liebher refrigerator turned up at a regional Internet flea market, which turned out to be more than 2 meters high. Someone was selling in a nearby new house, and you don't even need to spend money on freight. I thought, for delivery - a great option, here's another, new equipment for future tenants to put, still dirtied.
Well, I hired two Jamshuts-janitors with a loader's cart and bought that cold weather.
As a reminder, the move was from a new home to a new home. There are freight elevators in both houses, there are also ramps, the halls of the first floors are not very shallow.
While the jamshuts were taking the refrigerator out of the seller's apartment and bringing it into my apartment, they put it on the control panel several times - first when they brought it in and out into the elevator in the seller's house, then when they brought it in and out into the elevator in my house.
I thought that everything, after delivery, the refrigerator will turn into non-working scrap metal. But he survived. )))

It's the same with washing machines for apartments. The parents decided to change the "Vyatka-automatic machine" for the Italian "Zanussi" (yes, in the early 90s Zanussi was not yet a shit brand), they chose a full-size washing machine for the bathroom with a 60th door. They did not think about the nuances of skidding due to inexperience. In total, in order to bring the machine into the bathroom, it was necessary to dismantle the door frame and then install it back. Since then, I have not chosen washing machines for my apartments that cannot go through the doorway of the 60th door.
Almost full-sized, I prefer them with a depth of about 50 cm. Bosch, Atlanta and some other manufacturers have these.

Oh yes, this is my favorite trick, but it was not checked out here and even criticized.

Interestingly, I haven't read the whole topic, but I would have looked at this criticism ...

Heavy layout. Need to think. And what bearing walls are known? How about all sorts of lawlessness from the quiet series of swapping rooms and kitchens?
Are you law-abiding or are you afraid of nothing?

Actually, they are law-abiding :-), but I was thinking about a kitchen-studio in a large room. The kitchen seems to be 16 sq. m. may not turn out bad, but a room of 8 sq. m not very much. 232-wall decoration-150bed = 35cm each. on the sides of the bed, a bit narrow.
I found a larger area in an apartment in this LCD redevelopment of the kitchen into a kitchen-studio in its place, only with the transfer of the room wall to the side of the window, such a wall we have 127 cm to the window. The technology of building a house is brick, monolithic-frame. All our internal walls are not load-bearing, you can move.

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[Patchouli_ t123]

Actually, they are law-abiding :-), but I was thinking about a kitchen-studio in a large room.

And formally, are the apartments in the house housing or not?

Now there are "apartments", these are actually apartments, but formally - non-residential. Since the apartments are formally "non-residential", they are not covered by many laws regarding residential premises, including the rules for redevelopment of residential premises.

232-wall decoration-150bed = 35cm each. on the sides of the bed, a bit narrow.

You can move the bed to the box. Then, on the one hand, the passage turns out to be normal, and on the other, it is narrow and not to the end of the bed.

but a room of 8 sq. m not very much.

Yes, here it is not clear which is worse ... A large room, with a window like in an aquarium, eating one corner, is also not very good for a universal room that plays the role of a bedroom, a living room, and an office.
Kitchen-living room - yes, beautiful with such a corner window can turn out to be bright. And as a room in which to sleep - some kind of exhibitionistic paradise, no matter how you put a bed - everything goes out in front of a huge window. And if, as in many monolithic-brick new buildings, there are still panoramic windows almost to the floor, so it is even more fun. ))))
I say the layout is complicated, you need to think about it.

I tried to figure out the furniture for the kitchen. It turns out that either a U-shaped kitchen in a dark niche with small sections on the sides, a refrigerator behind the ventilation box. Yesterday I went to Avito to see if there was any inexpensive bush headset on which Anya could try different layouts of the kitchen, and the first thing that came to me from a not very expensive (12 sput all composition) and in appearance - in good condition , there was such a U-shaped headset:

Well, in your odnushka something similar turns out, from wall to wall - deep modules, and on the sides of them there is some trifle. The refrigerator is somewhere behind the ventilation box.
Either just a small set of sink 80 + PMM 45 + table with drawers 40 + oven 60, above it is a domino cooking, or an oven, like a refrigerator, by itself, and drawers under the cooking.




Patchouli_ t123, with your heavy planning, you can advise somewhere on the IVD in the redevelopment question to throw. Like, advise on how to equip a free-plan end-to-end odnushka. Only for this you need a normal readable plan with dimensions and an indication of where the risers are. And in the description of the situation, there is a short information that the heating wiring is horizontal, the heating pipes are in the screed, if the panoramic windows are low - also, how many people are the apartment, what do you want in it, etc. etc. etc.

If you are lucky and the topic will develop, they may throw you both simple redevelopment options and crazy options that a normal person in their right mind would not think of. But among the mountain of crazy shit planning, there may be an interesting idea, from which, after revising with a file, you get a digestible option.



I’m not going to draw redevelopment without a normal readable plan with the dimensions of each wall and details in the form of the arrangement of risers.
You can play with a kitchen with the dimensions that you gave, although it would be better to just a floor plan "from above" than a 3-D one. Such as Anya laid out, more or less normal for calculations. And it would be necessary to clarify that with the height of the window sill in the kitchen, as well as the exact numbers, how much you can move the doorway into the kitchen (give the width of the corridor to the kitchen, it will be clear from it).

In general, such a hut in the complex should be drawn.
I can see the disadvantages of the layout from these pictures from the developer, but I cannot suggest how to treat these disadvantages without a readable measurement plan.
For example, I see that the passage from the room and the kitchen to the bathroom is through the dirty area of ​​the hallway.
A panoramic corner window in the room is beautiful, but it gets in the way of arranging furniture in the room.
The corridor is stupid L-shaped, it would be possible to make a mini-dressing room out of it, or attach a part of the corridor to the bathroom, there is never too much of a bathroom.

[renard]

Interestingly, I haven't read the whole topic, but I would have looked at this criticism ...

Look from this place: Kitchen furniture # 7736
The main criticism is laziness to bend over.
And from the construct - space is required for pulling out the drawer, so with a small and heavily crowded kitchen, it is more advisable to make these drawers smaller in width. For example, if the upper cabinet is 80 cm or one meter, then the base / plinth can be divided into two drawers, where each drawer can be pulled out separately from the other.

renard, I have a request for you - please write your name in the profile, so it will be more convenient to communicate.

there was such a U-shaped headset:

Just looking at this dead end, I start to choke!
With a working stove and a hot multi (or is it a bread maker), and they all heat up the space, in this appendix even a window will not save, there simply will not be fresh air from the window.

[Patchouli_ t123]

refrigerator 203-70-67

Do you already have it or are you just going to buy it?
70 cm - width? Isn't that a typo?



Patchouli_ t123, let's start with the simplest.
A small work area in a line, a refrigerator in the corner by the ventilation box.

A niche 2320 wide. A set of furniture in a line is 2250. And a 7 cm margin for finishing and installation (on the sides of a linear kitchen, small false panels are desirable so that the facades are not close to the walls). If this is not enough, you will have to cut some module in width. Cooking rises ugly ...
Between the sink and the refrigerator, you can make a small, shallow extension to the sink (take the corner sink, cut the body, put the facade wider, to the converted corner sink, attach a small module). The depth of the extension turns out to be ridiculous, about 25-30 cm, I have doubts whether it is worth fooling around with it in this version.
A deep countertop can be put in, but it will actually reduce the distance between the refrigerator and sink. With a conventional countertop between the sink and the refrigerator protruding from the corner of the ventilation box, it turns out about 53 cm.With the 70th countertop, this distance is reduced to 43 cm.
There was a debate on whether the 40 cm distance between the refrigerator and the sink was good when the Blackouts kitchen was discussed. Not much, actually. 50 is better. On the other hand, your refrigerator is not as strong as theirs will be passed off as a sink. Or you will have to increase the ventilation box by 10 cm in width to ensure a normal distance between the sink and the protruding refrigerator.
And some kind of shallow table under the microwave is obtained in this version on the other side of the doorway.

Look from this place: Kitchen Furniture # 7736
The main criticism is laziness to bend over.

I looked ... Galina, this is not criticism, this is about soft and green ...

Do you already have it or are you just going to buy it?
70 cm - width? Isn't that a typo?

By the way, I have a refrigerator with a width of 70cm.
something like this
And I will say this - after it I will never return to a width of 55 cm ...

And I have all the refrigerators that have ever been 60 cm wide. The one that I use now, I do not remember how high, I am too lazy to measure.
Above me, that is, above 170, below the interior door. 180-190.
A pregnant whirlpool, its doors are very convex. And the upper door at the bottom in a semicircle.
Something like this:

I still doubt whether I screwed up with the choice or not. On the one hand, the doors to the refrigerator turned out to be inconvenient when installing the refrigeration unit in a corner. To open such doors, you actually need more than 10 cm space, in order to remove the shelves for washing, I have to pull it out of the corner. And the semicircle at the bottom of the upper door obstructs the view of the lower drawer of the freezer. To the heap he has a case made of stainless steel, varnished. Marky very much. I will never choose a stainless steel technique for myself, that's it, I've played enough in stainless steel, I don't want it anymore.
On the other hand, it has worked without breakdowns for 13 years, which is a very good result for modern technology. And it has a cool freshness zone in which sausage and meat last longer than in a regular compartment.
Well, how can you evaluate your own choice in such situations? On the one hand, the thing is not practical to clean and not very suitable for the furniture arrangement option that I then chose. On the other hand, the beast machine turned out to be. Works and works .... And some of my friends' refrigerators broke down a couple of years after the purchase.

I will never choose a stainless steel technique for myself, that's it, I've played enough in stainless steel, I don't want it anymore.

I agree ... I don't want to either ...
I have a stainless steel gas stove.
But I chose not the material, but the dimensions (60 * 60) and functionality (the high-power burner is located in front).
And at that time, all the Wishlist came together in a stainless steel burning.
The stove turned out to be excellent, everything works, but it is annoying to care for.

[Patchouli_ t123]

Patchouli_ t123, not ... Still, you need the entire plan of the apartment with dimensions.
It is necessary to look at everything in the complex.
So she began to figure out what to do with the door to the kitchen. But without knowing the width of the corridor, it is impossible to say how best to move the door and which direction to open.
If, for example, you move it towards the ventilation box, then to the left of the entrance you will get a corner in which you can put something overall. And next to it is a small kitchen couch. Or to make not very deep modules from the wall with the door to the wall with the window, make the ending with a bevel or radius so that it does not crawl out of the window.Can you imagine a 2.7 meter countertop with a depth of 40 cm or more, on which you can put various household appliances, and over which you can make shelves?
This kitchen can be planned with almost no top row, only with drying, and above the work surface and stove - without any shelves at all.

only if I move the door closer to the ventilation box, the entrance to the kitchen will move closer to the dirty area of ​​the hallway. And how much it will worsen the situation - without a normal apartment plan with readable dimensions - is not visible. Maybe it's really better to move the door towards the room so that the path to the kitchen is farther from the front door.

So, I probably won't draw anything yet. I'll wait for a normal plan. And it will turn out like with Anya. Most of the pictures are in the firebox.

Do you already have it or are you just going to buy it?
70 cm - width? Isn't that a typo?

The refrigerator has just looked after the Bosch KGN49XW306 Refrigerator.
I liked it very much.
,,, • Door color: light-clean stainless steel with Antifingerprint coating
• Body color: dark gray Metallic Сhrome
This is not at all the same stainless steel that was before !!!!
I now have stainless steel - stove, refrigerator and chimney hood.
I swore not to even look at the stainless steel.
But this is something. In stores, I grab this refrigerator with my hands, fingers - there are no prints!
I liked it very much, but if nothing at all with this size, then you may have to revise the Wishlist.

[Tatyana]

Tatyana, my daughter had a 70 cm Bosch refrigerator. Either they were so lucky, or this is their feature - it worked very noisily. The service did not help. Got rid ... So, if you can, listen to his work in the store.

easy-clean stainless steel with Antifingerprint coating

This coverage may last for a while. Let's say it will look perfect for a year or two. And then dances with tambourines will begin.

I have a rusty oven. No problem. And inside there is a stainless steel. Now they are no longer released. Sorry. Easier to care for than enamelled ones

Easier to care for than enamelled ones

I share the opinion
The most optimal coating for sinks in the kitchen and for the stove (except for the refrigerator, it is always sealed and covered)
The worst thing for the stove is glass-ceramic, if the gas stove is still under the foil, I constantly cover it with clean
Worst of all is ceramic-stone for sinking, you also have to constantly clean to restore its original color.
Out of stupidity, 13 years ago I put it at the entrance to the apartment, now I tolerate all these "charms", but sorry ... now it will be a little expensive to change, and all items work fine

[evil]

in the temporary house the sink is light. I didn't think so. Since my car wash is black. And the light sink is evil And it is impossible to clean it, and it is impossible to see dirty. I put a black one in a new house.
stainless steel sink is also different.
Sometimes it is roaring like tanks, and sometimes it is very quiet. But I have it for a free-standing bedside table. Waiting in the wings at the stove on the street.

Worst of all is ceramic-stone for sinking, you also have to constantly clean to restore its original color.

What kind of "ceramics-stone"?
I have an artificial stone sink. No problem cleaning. True, the color is gray-black, speckled, nothing is visible on it.

True, the color is gray-black

Of course, it won't be visible on black.
And on gray, light, you can even see that the surface of the sink is porous, and absorbs a lot of things from vegetable products. Nice - but not practical

very bright

Here is such a trouble for me. It will be necessary to change. And then I was already tortured to scrub it for three years. And she has already colored.

This coverage may last for a while. Let's say it will look perfect for a year or two. And then dances with tambourines will begin.

I do not know what the name of my gray coating is, but the flight is normal, for 10 years already. I wipe it with microfiber.

on gray, light, you can even see that the surface of the sink is porous, and absorbs a lot of things from vegetable products. Nice - but not practical

I bet, too, it's worth 13 years. Once a month, either pour boiling water with the boss or rub it with a dry comet for an hour.
Here is a month on the way.

[Tancha]

Tancha, Tan, how do you like a round sink without a fender?

The most optimal coating for sinks in the kitchen and for the stove (except for the refrigerator, it is always sealed and covered)

I have a rusty oven.

And we have a stainless steel electric cooker and an electric oven with a door and a control panel on which stainless steel is used. We are not using it now. Mom chose the stainless steel for herself. For a long time she just had an electric stove with cast-iron pancakes. Then the oven broke down in the stove, and I persuaded my mother to switch to independent cooking and oven. Mom was afraid of glass ceramics. Therefore, at the first stage, she got cooking from stainless steel with cast-iron pancakes from a decent plate brand Goreniye. Compared to glass-ceramic, it was slower, but compared to old electric stoves with cast-iron pancakes, it was very nimble. A friend recommended this model to me, who has opponents of glass ceramics in her family.
And for cooking from stainless steel - Electrolux electric oven, with stainless steel on the control panel and oven door and black glass. For this technique, I in the "stolplite" inexpensively bought a table with a gray body, silver plastic legs, a black glossy front on a tray for trays and a silver countertop, put everything together, it turned out like a new stove.
And all this technique turned out to be a brand and inconvenient to maintain. Every finger is visible.
Then we had to buy inexpensive and more or less reliable equipment for another dwelling. Having already played enough stainless steel, I bought a white oven and a black glass-ceramic cooking with mechanical control and a black metal edging.
But ... The renovation in the apartment where it was supposed to stand was delayed. And it was necessary to check the efficiency of the equipment.
And I convinced my mother to try to use new ones. Moreover, by that time she was already fed up with stainless steel with pancakes, and she was less afraid of glass ceramics.
And this is how I took these things to her for testing - so they stayed with her, and she is not very eager to return to the stainless steel. I took the stainless steel oven with cooking from her. I think I’ll sell cooking or put it in my apartment not for myself. And I left the oven for myself, it matches other equipment in my kitchen more in color than the current one. But I’m not going to change them in any way. I will continue to suffer with the stainless steel. )))))

Once a month or pour boiling water with the boss

This is the only remedy that copes with food deposits on ceramics.But, I often don't use the boss (about once every three months), just daily cleaning with cleaning products - clean, no dirt, and excellent

How do you like a round sink without a fender?

Everything suits me. But if I want to, I have nowhere to turn around, the kitchen is 5 meters away. With refrigerator and washing machine.

And the round one was comfortable for me. And mine is also round. Comfortable for small kitchens.

I will continue to suffer with the stainless steel

With a stainless steel oven, I have no problems, and cleaning it does not cause problems.

But the refrigerator .... the handle-bar is almost the entire height of the door, and when you open it, you still touch the very surface of the door and there are "patched" places on it that need to be cleaned almost constantly. Unlike a white freezer, which is no problem as long as you don't accidentally get it dirty.

I wrote about the surface of the gas hob. A gas stove is not an electric glass ceramic. Electro glass ceramics can be washed without problems, even when hot, which is why I loved this surface. And only for this reason, I ordered glass ceramics for a gas surface in a new apartment, which was a big mistake.
Those who had these two stoves (electric glass ceramics and gas glass ceramics) will understand what I want to say. The gas surface gets dirty more and more abundantly, and it is expensive to wash such a surface every day, including removing the cast-iron grates, which are also subject to washing.

We have already discussed this problem on the forum, I'm not the only one who is so "smart" covering glass ceramics with foil

The most optimal coating for sinks in the kitchen and for the stove (except for the refrigerator, it is always sealed and covered)

I have not come across glass-ceramic gas cooking. And I tried stainless steel from my sister.
My sister, unlike me, is a big fan of gas. So in the course, in the course, that with gas cooking it is more difficult than with electric glass-ceramic, and stainless steel for gas is chosen forcibly.