Hooray, bought a Panasonic bread maker! First impressions and reviews

About not 4 times opens, he gets a "shake", removing everything that lingers on the walls. The raisin dispenser knocks twice, but opens immediately, there is an electro-magnetic "spring" Congratulations on your good choice

Got it. Interesting solution :) knocked and poured :) Thanks for the congratulations. Now I am still embarrassed by such attention

Albina, congratulations on a real hard worker! What model of multicooker do you have?

Thank you all for the congratulations, the stove is really a miracle, I fall in love with it more and more every day. And the multicooker REDMOND RMC-М4502 is also very pleasant.

Until recently, I was the owner of a Hitachi bread machine, and was very pleased with it, but everything, including good things, comes to an end. A painful choice of a new stove began. I read a lot on the forum, and it is clear about preliminary temperature equalization, but then, in French bread mode, Panasonic SD-2500:
temperature equalization 40-2.05 min.
kneading - 10-20 minutes
ascent 2.45-4.10 min.
baking - 55 min.
total: 6 hours.
The question during the ascent is what happens, does the workout and how many times?
It's just that the whole process was scheduled for Hitachi:
Whole Wheat Bread
Preliminary kneading - 10 min.
Pause - 100 minutes.
Kneading - 14 min.
The first ascent - 56 min.
1st gas outlet - 20 sec.
2nd ascent - 25 min.
2nd gas outlet - 20 sec.
3rd lift - 48 min.
Baking - 45 min.
Total: 5 hours.
The bread was excellent according to the recipe below.
Recipe:
3 cups flour (240 ml measuring cup)
1 3/8 cups fresh milk
1 1/2 teaspoons salt
3 tablespoons sugar
1 1/2 tablespoons oil
1 1/2 teaspoons dry yeast
And a couple more questions - is the body material of the 2500 plastic? And how do you track the kolobok, if there is no window, you have to open the lid?

With mixing, of course, you can! And sometimes it is necessary.

It seems that I found and figured out the flips. The question remains about the case: plastic? I really want a stainless steel (it matches my color), but I am very confused by the reviews about the noisiness of dispensers for yeast and other additives, and I don’t really need them functionally, I’m used to putting yeast together with other components, and I don’t bake bread with nuts or raisins , but I think you can add bran immediately.

And, among other things, you will also add about a thousand rubles to your pocket and spend it on a delicious thread for your beloved (about that much more expensive is a bread maker wrapped in a piece of iron. Forgive me Lagri).

Gingerbread man track just by opening the lid. I sometimes knead with the lid completely open - this does not affect the quality of the bread (the main thing is not to forget to close the lid at the end of the batch).

Vitaly, ... "a bread machine wrapped in a piece of iron." Very good coverage, and by the way there are no hand marks on it. Nice and practical. All conversations end only with money to "pamper". After all, when choosing a model, money is not the only main factor. Let the person decide can his "wallet" afford a sort of "luxury".

I really want a stainless steel (it matches my color), but I am very confused by the reviews about the noisiness of dispensers for yeast and other additives,

In my opinion, none of those who bought 2502 (as they say, stainless steel) did not regret that they took this particular model of the bread machine. 🔗And dispensers will not hurt. 🔗And do not bother too much about the "noise of dispensers for yeast and other additives". Buy if you like. It's Panasonic!

Greetings to all! and I declare with all responsibility: I AM A REAL FAN OF MIRACLE - PANASSONICS !!! I already have 2 assistants from this company, and a slow cooker and a bread machine !!! I do not get tired every day, admire them every minute !!!!

Greetings to all! and I declare with all responsibility: I AM A REAL FAN OF MIRACLE - PANASSONICS !!! I already have 2 assistants from this company, and a slow cooker and a bread machine !!! I do not get tired every day, admire them every minute !!!!

May it be so forever and ever! Congratulations!

Zhenya, hello! Yes, Panasonic is not a bread maker, but a miracle! How good that I have it.

hello, Lenochka !!! Have a good day at work and a delicious dinner !!! - my HP is already set on the timer and starts to work too

Zhen, thank you

Greetings from Panasonic!
end my shopping experience
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baking experience:

I threw Panasika home, he "caught his breath" for an hour from the frost, I abruptly found a simple recipe for French bread here on the forum, quickly threw in the ingredients and rushed off into the evening on other matters.
photo of the first bookmark (for history))

ready to start, attention ...


march!..


three hours later crawled home ... chu !!! already from the doorway it smells of something tasty! joyful rushed to the stove to sniff, but somehow it didn’t smell very much .. and then there were some strange sounds - as if someone was scratching, oh, yes it’s Panasik “scrambling” ") then ventured to look under the lid - and then the dough is being prepared with might and main .. (we didn’t read the instructions, we don’t really know anything ..)
what I smelled then - it is not clear, apparently it smelled like waiting) ..


the end of baking was planned for 2 nights, I stoically decided to wait for the victorious end, but ... mad March blizzards, sore throat and snotty nose steep hills)) and the sivka is dry without hind hooves
at 2-30 am my brain, excited by new, uncharacteristic night smells, tore me out of the tenacious morphea paws .. wow, what a beautiful bread Panasik baked for me !! and even with such a "pimpochka" on the top of the head, well, just a dome-onion) .. I didn't bother getting the bread out of the bucket, I just covered it with a towel and finally checked it out only in the morning.


Well what can I say - fragrant, beautiful, fluffy, with a fine crust, creamy color on the cut. the only thing that bothers me is the taste of yeast. apparently, 7 grams per 400 grams of flour is still too much. 1 g per 100 g - I just read this here today.




Now a few questions: I, in principle, love all sorts of healthy bread, that is, rye, grain and without factory yeast. Does this mean that I went to the wrong steppe with a choice? Well, that is, you chose the wrong stove? for these purposes, there are other HBs, but I just bought one of the best, but not for my tasks, which I think ...
comfort me aaaaa .....

march!..


it seems that you did not set the size) you have the smallest bread, right?

It seems that you did not set the size) you have the smallest bread, right?

sorry, did not understand about the size? I don’t complain about bread, quite the opposite

sorry, did not understand about the size?

Everything is fine, the size / weight of the bread and the color of the crust are not displayed "in French" ... ...

Greetings from Panasonic!

Now a few questions: I, in principle, love all sorts of healthy bread, that is, rye, grain and without factory yeast. Does this mean that I went to the wrong steppe with a choice? Well, that is, you chose the wrong stove? for these purposes, there are other HBs, but I just bought one of the best, but not for my tasks, which I think ...
comfort me aaaaa .....

;) it is better to do and regret than not to do and regret And you can adapt this stove to your tasks, you can learn and you can.here you read about leaven, and here are different sourdough bread Good luck to you

[the first multi-colored message in this thread (click here with the mouse)]

We also read the first multi-colored message in this thread (click here with the mouse) and study the baking manual and the RULE BOX! Because, judging by yours, botani, photos, you have a shortage of fluid.If baked with pressed yeast, then we expect 1.5-2 grams for every 100 grams of flour. I prefer to keep it to a minimum. Sometimes even less.

girls, thanks for the answers, but I misunderstood something - that the bread is wrong or what came out? share the secret, where you can see it) it tastes great, baked in the middle, the crust is tasty, not thin.
I measured everything strictly by weights and milliliters, with the exception of yeast - I took as much as suggested in the recipe here -
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=156972.0
of course, I read about wholesome bread, thanks.

but you can not tell in a nutshell - which CBs are more suitable for yeast-free, multi-grain and other useful baked goods? I figured out that HB must be hand programmed for this, right? Or not in this topic you need to ask? just if there are HBs that are more adapted for these purposes, it is easier to buy what you need, and not to dance with tambourines. and I'm happy with Panasik all the same, especially since there are lovers of yeast dough at home.

We read the FIRST MESSAGE OF THE TOPIC! The baking allowance and the kolobok rule are the minimum of our baker!

Your bread turned out to be "shaggy", usually this means that there is not enough liquid, the dough turned out to be tight. The recipe is a recipe, and nobody canceled the flour / liquid balance. Simply because flour can be of different moisture content. At different times, 500 grams of wheat flour goes from 270-280 ml to 360-370 ml (at 320 ml in the standard recipe), i.e. ± 40-50 ml (which is 12-15%, i.e. . very perceptible). If you go over it with the liquid, the roof will collapse, the lack of liquid will result in a rupture of the roof and "rags" on the kolobok and crust. Even flour taken from one bag can have different moisture content - my flour dries up in the kitchen, so I control the bun almost always.

Multigrain bread is perfectly baked in Panasonic - some bake on the main program, some on the diet program. But you also need to understand - all programs and recipes are designed to certain standards that our flour in most cases does not have. Therefore, the result may differ even with proven recipes. "Multigrain" is also a question, from what types of flour / cereals and in what proportions? Each type of flour has its own properties.
About the question of all healthy baked goods. I will repeat the same question that I always ask: what do you mean by "yeast-free"?

Hello girls! Please advise what is better to choose, the European version of the bread machine or for the CIS countries?

About the question of all healthy baked goods. I will repeat the same question that I always ask: what do you mean by "yeast-free"?

thanks for the detailed explanation on the yeast / liquid ratio. very informative. yeast-free - meaning everyday value - without store-bought dry and raw yeast. my body does not tolerate them. I want sourdough bread, at least lactic acid. Now I study the relevant topics. and all -so educate about the appropriate HB for this.

[BXE]

Hello girls! Please advise what is better to choose, the European version of the bread machine or for the CIS countries?

I have a "European" I bought it on February 13, 2013 SD-ZB 2502BXE specifically for the European market, it was very offended that the modification for us Bts reduced modes. I am very satisfied, and I was also pleasantly surprised about the raisin dispenser. On the forum I read about a weak spring, I decided that I would have to put up with such a flaw and fix it myself as others did. And in stores I checked in official models. The cover fell off with a light touch. So they are doing much better for Europe. The lid is very tight and did not break out. The bread turned out immediately, and with a medium crust it roasts very well. And I downloaded the instruction in Russian from the Internet. Only the Sweet loaf mode had to be translated. There is an add. knob signal for extra butter, chocolate, etc. My first brioche in the bread maker was also successful. Considering my "labor costs" I have never done baking so easily and quickly. Therefore, you decide for yourself. I'm happy with the build quality, everything works, it doesn't creak.

[BXE]

I have a "European" I bought it on February 13, 2013 SD-ZB 2502BXE specifically for the European market,

How much did you buy? On Amazon - 190 euros.

How much did you buy? On Amazon - 190 euros.

I bought in the online store at the same price as for the CIS in 1780 hryvnias, about 170 euros

I greet the owners of Panasonic))) today, instead of the broken LG, they bought a Panasonic 2500, put simple bread on the timer, so that I could try it in the morning. and that's what I think, because yeast is at the bottom, water won't "get" to them overnight? can someone tell the teapot whether it is possible to put liquids into Panasonic first, and then dry? or is it still fundamentally important. if the question has already been asked, poke, please, where to read about it. thanks in advance) I hope to join your friendly team)))

The water won't get there, don't worry. The sequence of laying the ingredients is any, the main thing is that the liquids do not come into contact with the yeast.

Oh, I forgot. Congratulations on your purchase! Good luck!

I can say that order matters. The rhythm of rotation of the mixer at the beginning of the batch is such that when the order is "liquid at the bottom" the stove will be very dusty with flour.

And about whether the water gets to the yeast, read here
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=126137.0

And I congratulate you on a COOL new thing! I'm not overjoyed at Panasik.

And about whether the water gets to the yeast, read here
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=126137.0

I also tell Rinin a story about flour under water. Already become a legend.

Thank you all for the quick answers and kind words))) the bread in the morning pleasantly pleased us, delicious, lush! tomorrow with a friend we will sculpt manti, and Panasik will knead the dough))) yahuuu, cool stove! sorry, if I flood (or flood)))

I read a story about yeast getting wet, and really - in the last stove I had a bucket leakage.

Greetings to all Panasonic
I also decided to join your tunes Panasonic SD-2502
Although I have known the bread maker for many years (3 years with a tail), it had a completely different brand. So she plowed me so that there was already a hole in the bottom of the bucket - the bottom of the Uma bucket was rubbed with a spatula to buy a new bucket for that time I didn't have, despite my already well-fed years - I just threw out her beauty. I bought a Panasonic SD-2502 after long torment with the shops - it turns out that we have all the bakery and all the firms are withdrawn from sale, because now the designs of the ovens are changing. And as luck would have it, just when I was impatient to buy a stove. I rummaged through the entire Internet - at last they found someone who would deliver me this dream stove. I was so pleased with this purchase, especially since I bought it at a huge discount and only because the old design is like. And what is to me - the main thing for me is that baking and all programs work, and what color and shape there is, I don't care.
Well, in a word, I want to see you. On the forum for a long time, but .................. I somehow sit quietly: girl_red: I read and embody more than I write.

Uraaa! Arrived in our ranks! With a great purchase, Larissa! Welcome to the friendly ranks of bakers! Successful breads to you and may your oven serve for a long time and only please!

[lora07]

lora07 We are glad to new fans. Delicious breads

Our ranks are replenishing: friends: Delicious bread for everyone !!!

I also decided to join your tunes Panasonic SD-2502

Welcome! I'm very glad to see The New Panasonic's Fan!
And simply, damn glad! Our geography is immense!

[Lora07]

Lora07, do not sit quietly ... URRRYAYAYAYAYAYA !!! Our regiment has arrived!

- it turns out that we have all the bakery and all the firms removed from sale, because now the designs of the ovens are changing. And as luck would have it, just when I was impatient to buy a stove. I rummaged through the entire Internet - at last they found someone who would deliver me this dream stove. I was so pleased with this purchase, especially since I bought it at a huge discount and only because the old design is like.

and this is that, there is hope for a new design and Panasonic?

How is it - design changes for ALL bread makers? For ALL manufacturers?

Well, foreigners, like we have seventy years of Zhiguli, cannot produce

nuuuu ... 254-257 models were produced for at least five years, and 2500-02 for today only two years

Rather, there are some problems with purchases and buyers are fed with bikes

... after long torment with the shops, it turns out that we have all the bakery and all the firms are withdrawn from sale, because now the designs of the ovens are changing ...
...bought with a huge discount and only because the old design ...

Rather, there are some problems with purchases and buyers are fed with bikes

a problem with purchases for ALL bread makers?

Yes, Ira, the problems are called "customs". We often carry the goods and we find out about the changes during the passage, once we returned the entire container to the manufacturer, we did not master the "changes".

Laura seems to be talking about the shops of Foggy Albion ...

Laura seems to be talking about the shops of Foggy Albion ...

Foggy Albion, I wasn't, I don't know ... I thought our "Sovdep"

The girls answer a question about the design, I didn't read the messages right away, litter, I tormented my stove for the second day with bread, we indulge in bread, before that I fed all the trash can ........... But ........... ....... according to its recipe already tested. Even from the instructions, I did not like the taste.

.......... I had a Morphy Richards stove before. Nice stove, I really liked working with it. Well, I squeezed out of her in full everything I could. The bottom of the bucket glowed from shovel work - most often she kneaded my dough. Well, my buns love Pts with different fillings there, or rather they loved them, they fed the people. Well, when it was no longer able to knead the dough, because it began to flow out of the bucket, I took it and threw it away. But in order to look in the passport-instruction that the parts are being sold for it, I did not have enough mind. I looked in after my stove had found a house for itself on the garbage. There could be no talk of any details already - there is no stove, you need to buy her darling. So I went to the Morphy Richards website for a purchase and was shocked when I filled in all the data and I was told right away ....... alas ............... this stove no. Well then I began to choose the same company but of different types. And what I did not order was constantly refused, they say, sorry, no, now we have it in production, but in the warehouse if you want, we can take a look. Well, I left my phone and "soap" and said that I would wait a couple of weeks, but no more. The answer came the same day in the evening - like this .......... forgive us, we cannot help you, because the company is changing the design of bread makers, coffee makers and Slow Cookers. If you wish, we can satisfy your order not earlier than 3-4 months. Do you agree to wait? ........... I and wait? Well, no thanks. I need a stove urgently. I rushed to the local Argos (catalog store) and bought myself a Panasonic SD-2500 and happy as an elephant to go home. And at home ........... out of 25 programs, only 2 work - kneading pizza dough and pastries. Mine says to me ........... can fix ............. why carry the building and suffer with these shops (by the way, here, too, while you hand over everything, you will cover yourself with moss from anger). I am for my own - a new stove and repair, and even to whom I and for my own. Fig! Dragged and handed over. In the same center there was a Panasonic brand store - well, naturally, I went there with a low start and what a surprise it was when I was given the same thing about the design change. I didn't believe her. More precisely, as they say, she was stubborn and asked to call and find out if she was in the warehouse - alas, she sounded with a speakerphone in front of me and I heard everything myself. Disappointed, she returned home and in the evening, having put the girls to bed, went to climb all the manufacturers that sell stoves in our country - PANASONIC, Kithchen electronics, Morphy Richards, KENWOOD, Thompson and a couple of other companies that sell their products only in England. But everywhere one and the same answer - well, as if everyone had agreed. I'm all so upset that I can't buy a stove and somehow cheer myself up - I bought a coffee maker even though it was an old dream. Well, seeing all my weekly suffering and a great desire to buy, my husband decided to help me - he "sat down" in the internet and began to dig, search, call and find out where and who can be bought, or at least who has left on the base. Well, she’s stubborn - and having lived a little in England, she was so lucky - if a designer decided to change something, then it will only cost like a good cow in case of a shortage. And I don't want to overpay for some kind of added function. And it’s not a fact that something will be added or changed - maybe a common sales trick. That's when it comes out and goes on sale, I'll see what they got there and svitna then. Well, this is the story of the purchase of my stove, which now bakes rye bread, which I love Pts.

only two programs worked? Wasn't the temperature equalization having fun there?

As for bread that does not work, I advise (even with good experience) to read the first message of the same topic, follow the links there, read both the baking manual and the kolobok rule.

[Rina]

Rina I've been reading everything on the forum for a long time, and all the more I took the recipes in a word and read everything and everyone in one gulp. But I didn't register, I just got burned on one forum and somehow again did not want to immediately communicate. So she sat quietly in the corner.
The recipes themselves are good. but we don't like the structure of the bread and its heaviness. I think the whole problem is in dry yeast. I returned to my "chemistry" and now I do not put dry yeast when, although it is recommended. More precisely, I soak them in advance and raise them. For us, such a loaf tastes better and smells like I love Sourdough, but while my stove was looking for it died, I will grow it in a new way. I put it on serum today.

Wasn't the temperature equalization having fun there?

And who knows who and what has leveled it before our purchase. The stove did not react at all to any buttons and programs - it was quiet as in a cellar and dark on the program display. Only the number with pastries and pizza came on. In other modes, the darkness is complete and the silence is dead. As if she was disconnected from the network. But we didn't climb inside, but immediately carried it back. When the saleswoman asked what problem and when they said what and how, she silently and quietly wrote it down. More often, they immediately advise to call the manufacturer here and if there is anything to talk to him and find out the breakdown of the thing. And then she quietly silently wrote it down and accepted it. We thought so - maybe we already knew that it was broken and thought that they would push through all the same silently there were many thoughts, but we left them in the past.