Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502 (1)

Hello bakers!
Accept, brand new!
Joy is no chapel - I got SD-2502 !!!!!
a bunch of questions! porridge in my head! went to try baking!

Tane4ka, congratulations on your purchase! I also made a choice in favor of 2502 in December, and I am very pleased.
I really like trying to bake new and new breads, albeit not always successful, but it's still an experience!
I hope you will be carried away by your new assistant. Good luck! And congratulations again!

Well, now, the second failed! And I myself do not know why, I put everything in the same way.
Now I have put on the cake, but I don’t understand whether to melt the butter or put it in a piece. It will melt or not. I did not find it in the instructions.

[Bepa]

Well, now, the second failed! And I myself do not know why, I put everything in the same way.
Now I have put on the cake, but I don’t understand whether to melt the butter or put it in a piece. It will melt or not. I did not find it in the instructions.

a piece ... you can even leave the fridge right away ... it then breaks up and everything will fit in

And another newbie question, should you put it on the wire rack after baking, or can you just wrap it in a towel? The crust is a little rubbery.

Bepa as an option, you can put the bread in the oven .. it will cool down there slowly and not get stale ... and if there are animals in the house, then it will remain from their encroachment ...

Still, I bought 2501 for 6030 rubles. + 150 rub. delivery (did not have time 2502 for 7090 rubles, they took it already) found a new online store on Yandex market in Stavropol, doubted why it was so cheap (they said wholesale prices), but they brought it right away, unpacked it with me, already baked the first bread, I will now test the dispenser. In stores, with a slight pressure, it opened, but here it sits in place with an effort.

Still, I bought 2501 for 6030 rubles. + 150 rub. delivery (did not have time 2502 for 7090 rubles, they took it already) found a new online store on Yandex market in Stavropol, I doubted why it was so cheap (they said wholesale prices), but they brought it right away, unpacked it with me, already baked the first bread, I will now test the dispenser. In stores, with a slight pressure, it opened, but here it sits in place with an effort.

tell me where you found it: I am also from Stavropol, if the online store is normal, then I also need

Mowgli - tell me where you found it: I am also from Stavropol, if the online store is normal, then I also need -
wrote in a personal.
The dispenser has worked.

Hooray! The cake turned out. I would just add more sugar.

Hooray! The cake turned out. I would just add more sugar.

keep in mind that if you add more than 5 tablespoons of sugar, then you need to expose the crust lighter ... otherwise the negro will turn out ... the same with honey ...

- keep in mind that if you add sugar more than 5 tablespoons, then you need to expose the crust lighter ... otherwise the negro will turn out ... the same with honey ...
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oh, I didn't know that. well, maybe it's not that sweet because there is no vanillin. But is it possible to expose a crust in a kulich, is it kind of automatic there?
Can you replace milk powder with ordinary milk? I want to try to make French bread, but I have only the usual one. what if you replace 280 ml of water with milk?

Everything worked out: a surprise and bread!
The wife is happy, I am proud.

I measured the flour with a measuring glass. 400 grams - figured that it should be like 640 ml. If not right, then correct for the future.
It looks nothing, and it tastes edible. Expected the worst the first time.



That's it, I went to the festive table.

I also don't have electronic scales yet, so I use this theme: https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...tion=com_smf&topic=3328.0... That is, 400g.these are 2 and 1/3 cups from a bread machine (300 ml).

Tell me what to choose: PANASONIC SD-2500 WTS or PANASONIC SD-2501 WTS. Do I understand correctly that all the differences between these models come down to the availability of a nut dispensary for the SD-2501 WTS (tell me how often they use it at all?) And the ability to bake rye bread.

maybe it's not that sweet, because there is no vanillin.

yeast uses sugar to rise the dough ... that's why the result is not sweet enough ... honey, raisins help ... vanilla, cinnamon add aroma ... only it is better to add them to the last rise ...

But is it possible to expose a crust in a kulich, is it kind of automatic there?

there the temperature is automatically set ... but you can also bake on a regular program, taking into account the color of the crust (if there is no cake or sweet bread program)

Can you replace milk powder with ordinary milk? I want to try to make French bread, but I only have the usual one. if you replace 280 ml of water with milk?

it is not recommended to add milk completely .. the rise will be lower ... whole milk suppresses the rise of yeast ... if you want to bake it on milk, then it must be boiled, boiled over a fire for a while and allowed to cool (later I will find a link where there was a discussion on this occasion ..) ... for a whiter and more delicate crumb, it is enough to replace with milk a smaller part of the liquid ... it is very good to bake on buttermilk, or sour milk (it is also enough to whiten) ...

Hello everybody! Yesterday we became the happy owners of the cotton SD-2502, it turns out that it is not so easy to buy this model in St. Petersburg))). Tell me, do I need to start the bread machine before the first baking? and on which program?

Hello everybody! Yesterday we became the happy owners of the cotton SD-2502, it turns out that it is not so easy to buy this model in St. Petersburg))). Tell me, do I need to start the bread machine before the first baking? and on which program?

On the Baking mode, after pulling out the bucket, start the HP and heat the heating element for 15-20 minutes. Just in case, so that there is no burning already when baking with bread. Then reset the program with the START button.

Hello everybody! Yesterday we became the happy owners of the cotton SD-2502, it turns out that it is not so easy to buy this model in St. Petersburg))). Tell me, do I need to start the bread machine before the first baking? and on which program?

You don't need to do this, but if you really want to, pour about half of the water into a bucket and turn it on for baking for 10-15 minutes to warm up the ten and drive away the possible smell of grease.

- (later I will find a link where there was a discussion about this ..) .-
Thanks, I'll wait. We ate the cake, I want to try the Frenchie.

Good morning everyone!
My bread maker (Elenberg) broke, it was cheap, but it baked great bread!
Now I am facing a choice of a new one, so I want to ask a wise forum for advice!

Please advise me which model to choose with the following input data:
According to the recipes, she baked bread only for the first months, then put everything that was available in a bucket and watched the bun.
I bake only bread from coarse flour and wheat-rye (the latter is about 30-40%).
Will the Panasonic SD-2500 cope with such bread in the main mode?
Or it is better to buy SD-2501, which has a stirrer and a mode for rye bread!

But here I have another question - this model is higher! Will it fit on the table under the wall cabinet?

Maybe the happy owners of SD-2501 will tell me how many centimeters are the stove height with the door open?

And another question - how is the issue of "live" pressed yeast solved in Panasonic?
Are they put in a piece on flour or diluted in water? The temperature equalization will not affect the quality of bread with pressed yeast, which will be prospected to wait for the temperature equalization?

I would be very grateful for advice and measurements of the height of the 2501 stove with an open door!
Thank you.

Good morning everyone!
My bread maker (Elenberg) broke, it was cheap, but it baked great bread!
Now I am facing a choice of a new one, so I want to ask a wise forum for advice!
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Dimensions (edit)
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=126137.0

Tables of operating modes of programs by time:
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=126137.0

If time suits, then any model of the three will cope with the rest.

And in the instructions for 2500, only dry yeast is written. And what can be mixed live in water and added instead of dry ones?

[yeast topic]

Here yeast topic

For Panasonic I tell you step by step the simplest option:

Calculation for pure wheat bread is 1.5-2 g of yeast per 100 g of flour.
Fresh high-quality yeast crumbles (those that have lost their freshness look like plasticine).
Break off a piece from the pressed yeast (7-8 g per 500 g flour).
Crumble the yeast to the bottom of the bucket.
On top of the yeast, flour, water, salt, sugar, oil.
Run the "Main" program

The option is a bit more complicated:
The required amount of yeast + 200 flour + 150 ml of water - start the "pizza" program, wait until the end of the first batch, reset the program. This is what we got the brew. Next, add the remaining amount of flour, water, salt, sugar and butter to the bucket, start the "main" program. You can do this immediately after kneading the dough, or you can do it after a few hours, then you get a bread maker analogue "White bread on a long dough".

sometimes, when there is no time to wait for the kolobok, I collect all the products except butter, launch the same "pizza", track the kolobok, reset the program, add oil and set the "main" one.

on the "equalization of temperature" with live yeast nothing terrible will happen, they survive safely up to several hours (then it is better to put them in a piece under flour). By the way, it seems to me (I could be wrong) that at one time this is exactly how yeast was saved - a piece in flour.

- (later I will find a link where there was a discussion about this ..)

Milk makes the dough thicker, softer, gives it elasticity and firmness. But they should not be abused: it should always be less than water, or half with water, otherwise the dough will be difficult to bake. Milk bread should always be made in small sizes: the smaller the milk bun, the easier it is to bake.

More details: https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...ion=com_smf&topic=38942.0

maybe it will be interesting to read this:
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&Itemid=115&topic=4612.0
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=42616.0

[Vanya28]

Vanya28, Thank you!
The 2501 turned out to be too high, but I did not find information about the height with the door open 2500!
Hope it's below ...

Rina, Thanks for the detailed answer!
The main thing is that everything is possible!
And if you bake bread with a timer programmed for the morning?
Are only dry yeast suitable here?

[yalena]

yalena, suppose, if you collect the bucket at 23:00, then you need bread by 6:00 (so as not to get very hot at 7: 00-8: 00, if the bread gets sweaty, it can be easily removed from the bucket, the mixer will also easily pop out , and finally cooling in the air, the bread dries up). This means that readiness in 7 hours, we add three hours to the standard program - for several hours normal yeast will safely lie under the flour. Or they will be in the form of a "long" dough (10 minutes of "pizza" + "main" with the addition of three hours). Try it, the result will surprise you.

The 2501 turned out to be too high, but I did not find information about the height with the door open 2500!
Hope it's below ...

I have a Panasonic, and with an open lid, it does not fit under the shelves ... So what? during work, I push it to the edge from under the shelves, and unfold it sideways. This opens the lid perfectly ..

And if you bake bread with a timer programmed for the morning?
Are only dry yeast suitable here?

Compressed yeast can also be used for timer baking. Chop them into flour and nothing happens to them.

2 questions about models 2501 and 2502.

1) If I have a stove with European programs (that is, there will be no program for kneading dumplings dough), will I be able to knead dumplings dough on a coca or other standard program?

2) Maybe a silly question .... for model 2502 with yeast dispenser - can I use fresh yeast through the dispenser? or only dry? And, in general, in general, is it possible to use fresh yeast in bread makers? (I have no experience in baking at all)

Thanks for the answer from experienced users.

2 questions about models 2501 and 2502.

1) If I have a stove with European programs (that is, there will be no program for kneading dumplings dough), will I be able to knead dumplings dough on a coca or other standard program?

2) Maybe a stupid question ...for 2502 with yeast dispenser - can I use fresh yeast through the dispenser? or only dry? And, in general, in general, is it possible to use fresh yeast in bread makers? (I have no experience in baking at all)

Thanks for the answer from experienced users.

Although I do not have the above HP models, I also have a Panasonic, so I will answer.
Kneading the dough for dumplings can be done with any other program, turn it off earlier and that's it.
Fresh yeast can be used in any CP. The dispenser is designed for adding various additives before the second kneading, not for yeast, which should be added to the dough right away.

Fresh yeast can be used in any CP. The dispenser is designed for adding various additives before the second kneading, not for yeast, which should be added to the dough right away.

Here we are talking about a special yeast dispenser, which is only available in the 2502 model.

2) Maybe a silly question .... for model 2502 with yeast dispenser - can I use fresh yeast through the dispenser? or only dry? And, in general, in general, is it possible to use fresh yeast in bread makers? (I have no experience in baking at all)

For HP, in general, you can use pressed yeast without problems, but it will not work to load them through a special dispenser into 2502.

2 questions about models 2501 and 2502.

1) If I have a stove with European programs (that is, there is no program for kneading dumplings dough), will I be able to knead dumplings dough on a coca or other standard program?

2) Maybe a silly question .... for model 2502 with yeast dispenser - can I use fresh yeast through the dispenser? or only dry? And, in general, in general, is it possible to use fresh yeast in bread makers? (I have no experience in baking at all)

Thanks for the answer from experienced users.

1. You can actually knead dumplings using the "pizza" program. You just have to make the dough not very steep and take it out immediately after kneading (otherwise the dough will be heated). You will have to knead the flour to the desired consistency with your hands, but this is already very little work compared to manually kneading the dough from scratch. Even if you have the right dumplings program, knead the tough dough right away - it's not good for a bread machine, the engine is too overloaded.

2. In the 2502 model, the yeast dispenser for "wet" yeast cannot be used. It is designed for dry yeast only. However, fresh yeast can simply be placed under the flour. If you can use fresh "wet" yeast, read today's posts in the same thread.

For my part, I would like to say: I strongly advise you to switch to pressed yeast, on which the bread turns out to be much tastier, of better consistency (not as cottony as on dry ones), and crumbles less.

Here we are talking about a special yeast dispenser, which is only available in the 2502 model.

For HP, in general, you can use pressed yeast without problems, but it will not work to load them through a special dispenser into 2502.

Yes, I lagged behind, I am from technical progress. It is necessary to come up with such a yeast dispenser. What's the point?

Yes, I lagged behind, I am from technical progress. It is necessary to come up with such a yeast dispenser. What's the point?

And the point is that they are not soaked with a delayed start.

for several hours normal yeast will safely lie under the flour ...
Try it, the result will surprise you.

Thank you! It remains to buy a stove

I have a Panasonic, and with an open lid, it does not fit under the shelves ... So what? during work, I push it to the edge from under the shelves, and unfold it sideways. This opens the lid perfectly ..

I have a narrow tabletop (42 cm), that is, there will be nowhere to pull out the stove
And next to it, on the work surface, there is a combine, a microwave oven and a kettle!
There is not enough space, so there will be nowhere to push and unfold ...

And the point is that they are not soaked with a delayed start.

And they don't get wet anyway. This is probably what was extra 50u for. e. rip off the buyer.

And they don't get wet anyway. This is probably what the extra 50u was for. e. rip off the buyer.

So far I have only read one real "FOR" yeast dispenser. This is in the event that a person is keen on all sorts of leavens, or in recipes where the kneading is done in two steps, and the yeast must be added during the second batch.

here, I found

Or for those who, despite the fact that the x / oven is automatic, loves to experiment.
For example bread on dough from Chuchelka; I kneaded pizza or dumplings on the program, turned on the bread program (yeast in the dispenser) and - walk until it's baked!
I so often bake sourdough French bread, I have to sprinkle the yeast on top of the bun and sprinkle it with flour.
During the leveling period, the leaven has time to work, and then the program itself is turned on.

I just can't decide: 2501 or 2502. The only difference is the yeast dispenser, as I understand it. Tell me, is it really important or not?

Thanks to everyone who speaks out for and against.

I just can't decide: 2501 or 2502. The only difference is the yeast dispenser, as I understand it. Tell me, is it really important or not?

This is the only stove where there is such a dispenser .... And bread is baked in everyone ... It cannot be important in any way ... Here people are more likely to be attracted by the appearance - stainless steel. For some, this is a significant plus for the overall design of the kitchen ... For me, stainless steel is rather a minus, then wipe fingerprints all my life ..

I have 2502, and I really like it! and dispensers I like, and do not interfere. I can suede bread directly by pouring yeast into a bucket, or I can also into a dispenser, here I have a choice. And there are practically no prints on the case, I don’t touch it :) I lift the lid by the plastic handles and take out the bucket, I also close it, the case is beautiful, durable, it gets dirty no more than the plastic one. Well ... this is who and what they like. When I asked my husband what kind of stove we should choose, he answered - of course in a metal case! It's up to you to choose. It is better to have dispensers than to regret not having them later.

And it seems to me that the dispenser is not the main thing. Here I have 2500 and it says in the recipe book that you can't make rye bread.
Who has a 2500 oven, can you tell me if it is possible to bake rye bread and how? In 2501, the spatula is some kind of special. Is this just the case or is this bread not baked at 2500?

[Bepa]

Bepa This is not written in the book! You can and should bake rye in any HP

[trada]

trada a dispenser, of course, is a convenient thing, but not necessary .. you can safely do without them ...
Bepa

Who has a 2500 oven, can you tell me if it is possible to bake rye bread and how?

The practice of the forum showed that under the concept of "rye" everyone corrects the recipe for himself .... whoever likes it, they buy the oven for this ... the main principle: kneading, 1 proofing. baking ... mixed bread containing 1/3 rye flour is baked perfectly normal and on basic mode ...

[trada]

trada a dispenser, of course, a convenient thing, but not necessary .. you can safely do without them ...
I'm not saying that you can't do without a nickname dispenser, I'm just saying that I like this model and have the opportunity to choose whether to use it or not .... I'm comfortable with it. Of course, there are a huge number of models without dispensers at all, and they bake the same .... and excellent breads! But if there is an opportunity to buy an oven with dispensers, then why not ... they do not interfere with baking :)

I also believe that there is no need to overpay money for a dispenser, and even more so for two dispensers. I don’t think you’ll use it that often. I have a 254 model - an analogue of 2500 - with a sound signal for setting raisins, nuts, etc. To be honest, at first we used baked goods with raisins very often. And now, well, very rarely. We mainly bake various types of bread and baking dough in the oven. So think for yourself. If you really want to and there is a financial opportunity, then take the model 2501 with the dispenser (I also don't like stainless steel equipment). Good luck!
P.s. Yes, I forgot to say I have been using HP for a year, I'm very happy.

[trada]

trada so I don’t argue ...the person just asked, is it critical or not? in general, the most important thing is that any technique has the right owner ...

[trada]

trada so I don’t argue ... the person just asked, is it critical or not? in general, the most important thing is that any technique has the right owner ...

That's for sure!!!!!

And they don't get wet anyway. This is probably what the extra 50u was for. e. rip off the buyer.

Give me a dispenser for each component!

I somehow, too, before buying 2501 complexed about the dispenser for yeast in 2502. I read the Forum, saved money.
And who is afraid that the yeast does not get wet during a delayed start - turn the bookmark sequence: liquids at the bottom, flour at the top, and on it in a depression the yeast is lying down, dry and comfortable

[trada]

trada so I don’t argue ... the person just asked, is it critical or not? in general, the most important thing is that any technique has the right owner ...

yes, and about that! :)

I also understand that well, I want bells and whistles in the age of electronics, I already have a second oven (after 8 years of impeccable service) and both without a dispenser ... I think that one is not needed.

Give me a dispenser for each component!

I somehow, too, before buying 2501 complexed about the dispenser for yeast in 2502. I read the Forum, saved money.
And who is afraid that the yeast does not get wet during a delayed start - turn the bookmark sequence: liquids at the bottom, flour at the top, and on it in a depression the yeast is lying down, dry and comfortable

not the best option. Even for high-quality Panasonic buckets, prolonged wetting in the area of ​​the shaft may not be good. By the way, many owners of other brands of bread machines use the Panasonic order, where one of the most serious problems is the leakage of buckets.

How much has already been debated and argued about the order of the bookmark and the need for a yeast dispenser. Many are afraid that the flour will get wet, the water will get to the yeast and it will start working ahead of time.

Ordinary wheat flour does not get wet to a great depth by definition. My great-great-grandfather earned capital from this property of flour - he bought the right to the cargo of the sunken barge. Dived, lifted sacks of flour. Despite the fact that they lay under water for more than one day and not even one week, almost all the flour remained dry - only a small layer under the burlap got wet.

In order for the water to reach the yeast, you need to pour this very water with a strong stream from all the dope from a great height or under high pressure. Other rather exotic types of flour (rice, buckwheat, or some other kind) may turn out to be a problem. But how many people bake with this flour? And even in this case, almost always flour is mixed with wheat.

And another question about the new Panasonic (I asked it in another topic, but no one is actively discussing it):

We were told in the store that the buckets in the 2500-2502 models have a very scratch-resistant diamond coating and the bucket will last five years. Whereas ordinary buckets (the seller compared with Mulinex) should be changed after 1.5-2 years.

Well, and of course the price is very different, almost twice, well, 1.8. Is it worth it? Your opinion?

price compared to other brands? Worth it.

About five years - I don’t know, I scratched the first bucket, which was still with a light coating, a spoon (dropped it inside the working HP), the second bucket is also light, it works for two years without complaints (although it is scratched at the bottom, apparently, with coarse salt). Dark buckets appeared about a year and a half ago, so the real durability of this "diamond" coating is difficult to determine. You need to ask those who use models 256-267 (the same coverage as 2500-2). In any case, Panasonic's problems during operation are many times less than those of the same Mulinex (the buckets of which often begin to leak corny at the end of the first year of operation).

[Bepa]

Bepa This is not written in the book! You can and should bake rye in any HP

And on which program to cook pure rye bread, the usual 01, 02, 03. Otherwise I was really upset.And why did they release a special kneading paddle in the next model?