Rina
I don’t know which program is "rye" - I have a model 255 (there are no program numbers there).
About the shoulder blades ...

Models 254, 256, 2500 are models without a dispenser and a rye program (I don't remember what about the dumplings dough).

Models 255, 257, 2501/2 - with additive dispenser, rye program. Accordingly, a special paddle of the "comb" type is included in the set for rye dough.

You can bake wheat-rye and rye-wheat bread in any bread maker, you just need to connect your head. About pure rye - look in the appropriate section HERE, you will find more information.
*** yana ***
I don’t understand why everyone is so into rye bread ...: pardon: there is so much bread baking without rye ... the main thing is kneading and baking itself .. and the rest depends on the owner ...
Bepa
Chevy some bread with cheese turned out damp, probably need less water.
VLAN
Quote: *** yana ***

I don’t understand why everyone is so into rye bread ...: pardon: there is so much bread baking without rye ... the main thing is kneading and baking itself .. and the rest depends on the owner ...
This is evident from the fact that you do not like rye bread.
I bought the HP only after making sure that I could not only make "white", but also "black". I don't like half measures.
*** yana ***
Quote: VLAN

This is evident from the fact that you do not like rye bread.
I bought the HP only after making sure that I could not only make "white", but also "black". I don't like half measures.
strange you newbies ... you know everything ...
The meaning of my post is that without understanding the process of baking rye bread, and without knowing the technology and features of such a dough, no superbrewer will help you ... you cannot bake a real rye in it ... but there are as many types and the like ...
We love and eat rye. your own. regularly.
Irina_V
Quote: OlgaDr

We were told in the store that the buckets in the 2500-2502 models have a very scratch-resistant diamond coating and the bucket will last five years. Whereas ordinary buckets (the seller compared with Mulinex) should be changed after 1.5-2 years.
Well, and of course the price is very different, almost twice, well, 1.8. Is it worth it? Your opinion?

In my opinion, it is worth buying simply because it is Panasonic. ...
I am sure because of the long experience of "communication" with other units of the Panasonic brand - a multicooker, a meat grinder, TVs, a camera, etc.
Irina_V
Quote: *** yana ***

strange you newbies ... you know everything ...
The meaning of my post is that without understanding the process of baking rye bread, and without knowing the technology and features of such a dough, no superbrewer will help you ... you cannot bake a real rye in it ... but there are as many types and the like ...
We love and eat rye. your own. regularly.
Really weird. I am also a beginner, I also love rye bread and for some reason I successfully make it in HP, practically without knowing the technology, but the result is excellent. Explain what am I doing wrong?

P.S. For 3 weeks (since the purchase of HP) we have not been buying bread, neither white nor black.
*** yana ***
rina_V
I am also a beginner, I also love rye bread and for some reason I successfully make it in HP, practically without knowing the technology, but the result is excellent. Explain what am I doing wrong?
Yes, we are not talking about this ... you like everything and you succeed, what you want is the main thing ... you have no complaints.
addresat
Just today, come to my house a technician from the heating network to plumb the meter, and at this time my HP is kneading the dough. And he saw and said: "You have the best stove!" And I told him, they say, I know myself. And he: "I have a 255 model - we have been using it for 4 years." Well, let's ask - how the bucket and HP are feeling. And he says everything works well and the bucket feels good. Here is an indicator that sometimes you need to overpay a little money and sleep peacefully for many years.
And here's another example - we recently bought HP from another manufacturer for my mother, the price is almost 2 times cheaper. It looks like a stove like a stove, but for the time being, my bread baked in it, 3 weeks have passed. And our panasonic recipes for some reason did not fit. And what is most interesting is that the service life of this HP, which is guaranteed by the manufacturer for only 3 years (it is good that 2 of them are under warranty). When Panasonic undertakes to work for 7 years (I specifically found a guarantee and read it, it became very interesting)
yalena
Quote: *** yana ***

I don’t understand why everyone is so into rye bread ...
My husband is diabetic, he prefers to eat rye bread ...
I think everyone has their own reason.
yalena
Quote: addresat

When Panasonic undertakes to work for 7 years (I specifically found a guarantee and read it, it became very interesting)

Quote: Irina_V

In my opinion, it is worth buying simply because it is Panasonic. ...

I was categorically tuned in to Moulinex, she just took the place of my old stove ...
After reading the reviews, I realized that I might not be lucky with the purchase, as well as 50% of those who have various kinds of problems with it.
From light or too fried crusts to bucket problems ...
I have nowhere to put Panasonic ... I have to come up with an additional bedside table, which, again, there is nowhere to put ...

Is there any alternative to Panasonic?
How can I not decide on this purchase ...
Or close your eyes to the size, put it in the middle of the kitchen table and eat delicious bread?
*** yana ***
yalenaand you do not consider LV at all?
Irina_V
Quote: yalena

Is there any alternative to Panasonic?
Unlikely.
Quote: yalena

How can I not decide on this purchase ...
Or close your eyes to the size, put it in the middle of the kitchen table and eat delicious bread?
In any case, you need to think about where to put. I have a small kitchen, and the multicooker and the bread maker have to be transferred to the countertop above the washing machine every time. But I wouldn't clutter up the kitchen table.
addresat
A friend of mine took her to another room when she was not using it, and then brought it to the kitchen. She also walked from the table to the soft kitchen corner and back. As long as my husband did not come up with a specially designed shelf for HP, which lies on a wooden rail bolted to the wall and on the very kitchen couch. If necessary, I can take a photo. So now I don't remove HP from there, I have it there and it stands during work.
Rina
Girls, someone has HP in the room at all, I even read that people have it in the bathroom (they put baked goods either for the duration of their absence, or at night). Someone has a warm loggia. Someone's stove lives constantly under the table, and "leaves" on the table only at night. In general, people do their best. I already have such a habit of homemade bread that, if necessary, I will put the stove at least behind the kitchen door, at least in the corridor, at least on the balcony (there was a moment when it was supposed to move to a small one-room apartment, so options for another HP and its location were considered).

yalena, if you need almost one hundred percent reliability, quiet operation, guaranteed results, then this is only Panasonic. If you are ready to take a chance (some possibility of failure of the oven or bucket itself, quite noisy work in comparison with Panasonic), then I advise you to look at Kenwood 450. It is, by the way, programmable, so there you can choose modes for different types of bread (although, as far as I I know this programming has limitations too).
yalena
Quote: *** yana ***

yalenaand you do not consider LV at all?

I did not have any equipment from this manufacturer, so I did not consider ...
My old and cheap stove baked such a beautiful bread:

Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502 (1)

I am very worried that there is no worse in the new
yalena
Quote: Rina

yalena, if you need almost one hundred percent reliability, quiet operation, guaranteed results, then this is only Panasonic.

Thanks, I assumed it
yalena
Irina_V, addresat, thanks for the advice, so I will look for a place!
yalena
Well, that's it!
I ordered a Panasonic SD-2500!

Tomorrow evening they will bring it !!!
Everyone, many thanks for the valuable advice!
Rina
and there is no rye program in the 2500 model.Will you bake in semi-manual mode?
PirNatali
Having no experience in baking, after reading reviews about various bread makers, they purchased all-taam SD-ZB2502. Very satisfied. The bread turned out right the first time, delicious and beautiful, all according to the recipes from the instructions. We haven't bought bread in the store for a month. I also used recipes from the forum. I especially liked "Fluffy" with buckwheat flour. The only thing that doesn't work out two times already is Easter cake, but I think I'm still trying to beat it. And we are very happy with the bread maker.
Rina
do not torture the recipe, yourself and the stove. Take the recipes from our forum - they have been worked out by members of the forum many times.
yalena
Quote: Rina

and there is no rye program in the 2500 model. Will you bake in semi-manual mode?
Yes! I can, my old stove only worked in this mode
In my photo above, this is 60% rye

And 100% rye turned out like this:

Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502 (1)
Rina
Well, then we look forward to tomorrow evening, warm up the stove and start mastering
addresat
yalena, and what the old HP does not suit?
yalena
Quote: Rina

Well, then we look forward to tomorrow evening, warm up the stove and start mastering

I'm looking forward to tomorrow evening
Quote: addresat

yalena, and what the old HP does not suit?

She died at a combat post
It has not been released for several years now ... so it cannot be fixed
addresat
Quote: yalena

She died at a combat post
It has not been released for several years now ... so it cannot be fixed

What kind of stove was it?
yalena
Quote: addresat

What kind of stove was it?

And under my avatar it is written

Elenberg BM-3100

Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502 (1)
friend
Quote: yalena

Yes! I can, my old stove only worked in this mode
In my photo above, this is 60% rye

And 100% rye turned out like this:

Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502 (1)
Here I am again turning to baking Karelian bread. Lana offers to knead dumplings in the program, then manually let them rise, and then bake in the oven. Maybe someone baked Karelian bread in Panasonic 2500 and will explain to me in detail how to bake it without putting it out of the oven. I have already baked the main and main with raisins, it turned out very well.
friend
Quote: Rina

and there is no rye program in the 2500 model. Will you bake in semi-manual mode?
What does semi-manual mode mean?
yalena
Semi-manual means combining different programs and following the kolobok!

If a question about Karelian bread is for me, then I have never baked it
friend
And with the lid open, can you knead to watch the bun?
mowgli
Quote: girlfriend

And with the lid open, can you knead to watch the bun?
Of course!!!!!
lega
Quote: girlfriend

Here I am again turning to baking Karelian bread. Lana offers to knead dumplings in the program, then manually let them rise, and then bake in the oven. Maybe someone baked Karelian bread in Panasonic 2500 and will explain to me in detail how to bake it without putting it out of the oven. I have already baked the main and main with raisins, it turned out very well.

friend, Karelian bread, not simple in composition. According to GOST standards, it needs wheat flour 2nd grade + rye flour sown... It will not suddenly work out to buy these ingredients in St. Petersburg, the recipes that we have on our website are very far from the Gostovsky ones and the result will remotely resemble the bread that you ate in childhood. Here is a GOST recipe.https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=8354.0, only the amount of water is not specified.

Quote: girlfriend

What does semi-manual mode mean?
If, nevertheless, you decide to bake according to the site's recipes, then you need to read the recipe very carefully and pay attention to the amount of wheat and rye flour. If rye predominates, then you will have to bake in semi-manual mode. This means that to knead on one program - Pelmeni, then, without any program, let the dough come up in the HP bucket, and then turn on the Baking mode separately.

I highly recommend reading "Rye" tips from Gasha
friend
Instead of dry kvass, I bought a concentrate of kvass wort, it needs to be diluted or so introduced into the dough (and how much?)
lega
Quote: girlfriend

Instead of dry kvass, I bought a concentrate of kvass wort, it needs to be diluted or so introduced into the dough (and how much?)

Wort concentrate is different. Earlier, I remember, it was difficult to dilute the concentrate in water, but last summer I bought it ...so it was jelly, tinted with malt. The manufacturer saved ... ... First, try diluting your concentrate with water, see how it turns out ... Start with a couple of tablespoons, adjust the liquid in the recipe ... that is, if you add two tablespoons of concentrate, then on 30ml liquid must be reduced ... and then look at the kolobok. And one more thing ... the amount of wort can be customized to your taste ... someone likes darker bread, someone likes it lighter ..
yalena
Quote: Rina

Well, then we look forward to tomorrow evening, warm up the stove and start mastering

There was a question while waiting for the stove ...
Now the frost is -15, by the evening it will be even more
The courier will bring the stove, can it be turned on right away to check it?
Will she be out of the cold?
sazalexter
Quote: yalena

There was a question while waiting for the stove ...
Now the frost is -15, by the evening it will be even more
The courier will bring the stove, can it be turned on right away to check it?
Will she be out of the cold?
You cannot turn it on! You need to wait at least 1 hour! Examine externally so that it is not used, this is enough.
jek5
Just plug it in ... the display will light up and turn off for a couple of hours.
yalena
Quote: jek5

Just plug it in ... the display will light up and turn off for a couple of hours.

Will there be no harm?
That is, just do not check for heating?
Just switch programs and push buttons?

sazalexter, Thank you!
Probably I will!
Irina_V
Quote: yalena

The courier will bring the stove, can it be turned on right away to check it?
Will she be out of the cold?
In general, the equipment is not turned on immediately from the cold, you have to wait at least an hour. Maybe the courier carries it in the car, then you can check it right away.
In addition, in Panasonic, not in every mode, the batch is immediately turned on. On the 2nd, it immediately turns the blade ...
yalena
Quote: Irina_V

In general, the equipment is not turned on immediately from the cold, you have to wait at least an hour. Maybe the courier carries it in the car, then you can check it right away.
In addition, in Panasonic, not in every mode, the batch is immediately turned on. On the 2nd, it immediately turns the blade ...

The courier carries it in a car, but he is loaded with goods and goes to deliver orders ... It's definitely not hot in the trunk ...
I understand that on "gluten-free" and "dumplings" immediately kneads?
jek5
It's just not worth twisting it right away ...
sazalexter
yalena Don't panic ahead of time! Panasonic's marriage is less than 5%, check the completeness, and that it is not used. All the same, the courier cannot adequately assess the correct operation of the device, if you contact the store, you will make a return with the termination of the sales contract.
yalena
Quote: sazalexter

yalena Don't panic ahead of time!
Thank you, I will not panic!

Quote: sazalexter

yalena Panasonic's marriage is less than 5%, check the completeness, and that it is not used.

I want to believe that there will be no marriage!
addresat
We recently bought HP at the market for mom. So we checked her right on the street. We turned on the baking to check the ten and any program to make sure that the kneading was in progress. So you can check the baking mode and the recipe for pizza or dumplings - there is immediately kneading. Good luck.
sazalexter
Quote: addresat

We recently bought HP at the market for mom. So we checked her right on the street. We turned on the baking to check the ten and any program to make sure that the kneading was in progress. So you can check the baking mode and the recipe for pizza or dumplings - there is immediately kneading. Good luck.
It's one thing to turn on on the street, without a drop in pace. and moisture condensation on the processor board, and it's a completely different matter when from frost to heat, it will immediately be wet and what can happen in this case, only God knows
yalena
I will not risk it!
So I'll check it out in an hour!
Thanks for the advice!
Rina
for the current temperatures in Kiev, I would advise not even one hour, but at least two hours, so that the stove warms up quietly in the room. Please note that there is electronics that do not like freezing temperatures very much, therefore, including an unheated stove, you can easily make trouble with the control board.
Rina
I started cleaning archives on my computer, found one of the instructions, which I helped to find one forum member. Panasonic SD-BT2P manual. Apparently, this was the second model of Panasonic's automatic bread maker.In any case, one of the earliest, apparently, the beginning of the 90s. So, a dispenser for dry yeast was provided in it. So this is not the newest development. Stoves intended for the Japanese market have been equipped with such dispensers for a long time.

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