sazalexter
Quote: Rina

I started cleaning the archives on my computer, found one of the instructions, which I helped to find one forum member. Panasonic SD-BT2P manual. Apparently, this was the second model of Panasonic's automatic bread maker. In any case, one of the earliest, apparently, the beginning of the 90s.
This one looks like it was the first household automatic bakery in the world! And they released it in 1987
yalena
for the current temperatures in Kiev, I would advise not even one hour, but at least two hours, so that the stove warms up quietly in the room.

Yeah! The frost is getting stronger! Children don't even go to school from tomorrow!
So I'll warm up the stove to room temperature for a couple of hours!
TaBas
When the courier brought the HP to me, I turned on the pizza in the mode to check if it was interfering, but the tena did not risk baking to heat it, only an hour later I put the bread on.
yalena
Quote: TaBas

When the courier brought the HP to me, I turned on the pizza in the mode to check if it was interfering, but the tena did not risk baking to heat it, only an hour later I put the bread on.
I didn't dare to turn it on at all ...
The courier said that he had been driving in the cold in the morning.
I waited 3 hours, just in case!
Now I'm trying the Zavarnaya oven according to the recipe from the book
It was hard for me to measure products
I haven't measured anything for 100 years.
I was surprised that the dough turned out to be liquid, even though I strictly followed the recipe!
The gingerbread man has not formed ...
Added flour ...

Let's see what happens ...
sazalexter
yalena A glass included to measure water !!!! Not flour! Add flour urgently!
yalena
Quote: sazalexter

yalena A glass included to measure water !!!! Not flour! Add flour urgently!
I weighed flour on a scale, right in a bucket, as Rina advised
I measured the water with a measuring cup.
sazalexter
Quote: yalena

I weighed flour on a scale, right in a bucket, as Rina advised
I measured the water with a measuring cup.
It's strange that there was no kolobok
yalena
Quote: sazalexter

It's strange that there was no kolobok

I was also surprised ...

I baked according to this recipe, only I took pressed yeast.

Products:
Yeast
Wheat flour - 225g
Rye flour - 325g
Salt - 1.5 tsp.
Sugar - 2 tbsp. l.
Vegetable oil - 2 tbsp. l.
Rye malt - 4 tbsp l (40g)
Boiling water for malt - 80ml
Honey - 2 tbsp. l
Coriander - 1h l.
Water - 330ml.
*** yana ***
if the flour is wet, then the weight seems to be correct, but the bun is liquid ... after all, the measuring cup never lets me down
Rina
yalena, exactly measured in grams on the scales? Not in ounces? Whose wheat flour?
Aylen
Quote: girlfriend

Instead of dry kvass, I bought a concentrate of kvass wort, it needs to be diluted or so introduced into the dough (and how much?)

The recipe has been tried. The result is great!

lisameli (from the same site)

recipe: Rye "It's very simple" (from Elena BO)
His roof falls very rarely (if possible, follow the kolobok).
dry yeast - 2 tsp (I use the usual 12 g "Lux" from Auchan)
peeled rye flour - 350 g
wheat flour - 250 g
salt - 2.5 tsp.
sugar - 2 tbsp. l.
apple cider vinegar - 10 mm
mustard oil - 30 g
kvass wort concentrate - 35 g (diluted in warm water)
water - 410 ml (mixture with kvass wort)
coriander - 1 tbsp l.
You can add cumin 1 - 2 tbsp. l.

Super recipe! I baked it on the rye program, the roof was blown off, but the taste !!! And baked on "basic with raisins", added more must, spices and raisins! It is something!!!!

To me on HP, the lid began to creak when opening-closing ...
yalena
Quote: Rina

yalena, exactly measured in grams on the scales? Not in ounces? Whose wheat flour?

Scales in grams! Rye flour "Dobrodiya", and wheat flour "Totem-Kolos" is coarse-grinding.
But I always baked something like this, just by eye I put all the ingredients in a bucket in a random order
yalena
It's already baking ... It's a pity there is no window ... I don't see what's there !!
lega
Quote: yalena

It's already baking ... It's a pity there is no window ... I don't see what's there !!

So it was necessary to look before baking ..
yalena
I looked in - it rose beautifully ...
But I'm afraid that I left the dough a little thin ...
I usually did the cooler kolobok.
*** yana ***
and in my clathronics (analogue of your stove) I also made the bun denser ... but the panasonic is so clever! and coarse flour picks up liquid .... everything will work out!
yalena
Quote: *** yana ***

everything will work out!

My bread is finished
The roof is beautiful, of course it didn't work out ...
A flat small rectangular brick came out

We will try tomorrow!
*** yana ***
Congratulations, it happened!
friend
Here's another question I have. When Karelian bread was kneaded according to the Pelmeni program, how much should it rise in the KhP so that the lid is not opened, so that it does not sink. And then the site says about some kind of recipe book. Where to find her?
Waist70
Quote: yalena

I was also surprised ...

I baked according to this recipe, only I took pressed yeast.

Products:
Yeast
Wheat flour - 225g
Rye flour - 325g
Salt - 1.5 tsp.
Sugar - 2 tbsp. l.
Vegetable oil - 2 tbsp. l.
Rye malt - 4 tbsp l (40g)
Boiling water for malt - 80ml
Honey - 2 tbsp. l
Coriander - 1h l.
Water - 330ml.
Didn't forget to reset the container?
yalena
Quote: Waist70

Didn't forget to reset the container?

No, I haven't forgotten! I have been using scales for a long time!
Now I have put wheat-rye bread on the first program, the bun is perfect!
I would like to believe that the bread will learn excellent!
addresat
Quote: yalena

My bread is finished
The roof is beautiful, of course it didn't work out ...
A flat small rectangular brick came out

We will try tomorrow!
Congratulations on your HP purchase. All will be . You will not be disappointed in the stove - I guarantee!
According to this recipe, my bread also turns out this way - it fits well, but in the end the roof is even. You are heroes if you wait until tomorrow. I immediately cut off the top of the slightly cooled bread - and eat it - I really like the crisp crust of the brown bread, and even the white and bran - in general, everyone.
yalena
Quote: addresat

You are heroes if you wait until tomorrow.
We didn’t eat bread ... The smell from it was burnt plastic and I didn’t like the taste ...

Maybe it was necessary to anneal the bucket beforehand?
In the instructions for the old bread maker, this action was indicated, so I did so!
And nothing is written in Panasonic, I was afraid to ignite, I just washed it with soap and water ...
*** yana ***
yalenathe smell passes quickly ... it was also necessary to wipe the heating elements thoroughly ... soon there will be no smell ... this is for all the new stoves ...
yalena
Quote: *** yana ***

yalenathe smell passes quickly ... it was necessary to wipe the heating elements thoroughly ... soon there will be no smell ... all the new stoves have it ...

I believe!
I just didn't expect the bread to smell!

I didn't wipe the shade, I just washed the bucket ...
addresat
For the first time, I just washed the bucket with water and baked it. Of course there was a smell, but I don’t remember that to make the bread stink. The bread was delicious and odorless. And the smell quickly disappeared.
yalena
Quote: addresat

Of course there was a smell, but I don’t remember that to make the bread stink.

At 2500, the bucket cover is different ... maybe that's why ...
But now the kitchen smells of baking bread and a little bit of yesterday's terrible smell
addresat
Quote: yalena

At 2500, the bucket cover is different ... maybe that's why ...
But now the kitchen smells of baking bread and a little bit of yesterday's terrible smell

The new technique all "smells" Do not forget to show off your bread. Now I also bake a traditional white one.
mowgli
And I didn't smell
yalena
Quote: addresat

The new technique all "smells" Do not forget to show off your bread. Now I also bake a traditional white one.
I'm not white
I have a coarse wheat baked with 20% rye flour and chicory!
Has already signaled readiness!
Left to watch!
yalena
Quote: mowgli

And I didn't smell
So this is good!
addresat
Quote: yalena

I'm not white
I have a coarse wheat baked with 20% rye flour and chicory!
Has already signaled readiness!
Left to watch!

And the recipe, pliz!
yalena
Quote: addresat

And the recipe, pliz!

You still do not know if the bread has turned out, but are you already asking for a recipe?
Alexh
Good day!!
I bought a Panasonic SD-2502. Really stylish and beautiful thing. I bought it for $ 250. e. in Kiev.

The gingerbread man and all that happened the first time, though I messed up very much with these spoons,
and gave 2 tablespoons of yeast instead of 2 teaspoons, the same with salt. I bake the biggest bread.
I don't think it will work, but now I will know.
In such a frost, it will not yet be possible to buy new ingredients, so tomorrow I will try French bread, since I bought powdered milk.

You are all very good. great fellows. Straight social network ...))))
As it turns out, I will also send a photo.
Thank you.

yalena
Alexh, I think you will make a salty bread, of course!
2 tablespoons is a lot!
But tomorrow you won't be mistaken
Alexh
Tell me, how to post a photo?
Thank you
Rina
How to insert a photo into a message - look HERE
trada
Quote: Alexh

Good day!!
I bought a Panasonic SD-2502. Really stylish and beautiful thing. I bought it for $ 250. e. in Kiev.

The gingerbread man and all that happened the first time, though I messed up very much with these spoons,
and gave 2 tablespoons of yeast instead of 2 teaspoons, the same with salt. I bake the biggest bread.
I don't think it will work, but now I will know.
In such a frost, it will not yet be possible to buy new ingredients, so tomorrow I will try French bread, since I bought powdered milk.

You are all very good. great fellows. Straight social network ...))))
As it turns out, I will also send a photo.
Thank you.
Congratulations on your successful purchase! This is not only a beautiful and stylish thing, but also a great clever and hard worker! I also have the same! I have already become convinced of her abilities. True, it costs more in our country, but I do not regret at all that I bought it, and not another, cheaper ...
Alexh
The bread turned out the first time, though salty (I mixed up the spoons ... and gave 2 tablespoons), but it worked out.
The yeast dispenser is great.
For me, as a beginner, there is not enough window, I want to see everything.
Tell me, according to the kolobok rule, I need to open the lid and see what happens,
and in the recipe book they write that this cannot be done.
I understand that this is a rule for beginners, or you always look at the kolobok.
Thank you.

PS to all who have doubts about the purchase, like me, I recommend this miracle of technology.
You sit at home, watch TV, and your bread is baked, beauty ...
There is something original, homely in this.
The courier also recommended thinking about a slow cooker ... we will study no ...
addresat
Quote: yalena

You still do not know if the bread has turned out, but are you already asking for a recipe?

I thought you already baked it - and you are doing experiments !!! Well, let me know what happened.
Rina
Quote: Alexh

The bread turned out the first time, though salty (I mixed up the spoons ... and gave 2 tablespoons), but it worked out. ========================
For me, as a beginner, there is not enough window, I want to see everything.
Tell me, according to the kolobok rule, I need to open the lid and see what happens,
and in the recipe book they write that this cannot be done.
I understand that this is a rule for beginners, or you always look at the kolobok.
Thank you.
========================
The courier also recommended thinking about a slow cooker ... we will study no ...

Instructions are written often enough for those stupid users who manage to dry their beloved dog in the microwave or wash and dry in the washing machine (how ?! the instructions do not say that this should not be done!). Just so that a curious person does not put a spoon or finger into the bucket to the working mixer (and does not pinch it there). It's easier to write that the stove is no longer open.

We remember: while we are mastering a new business for us - baking, when we try new recipes and products (even when changing flour), RULE BOX will help us! We check the elasticity of the dough bun during kneading, adjust it to what we need.

I'm not a beginner for a long time, but I try to look at the kolobok. Recently, it helped me a lot, when flour from a seemingly proven manufacturer turned out to be.At least, I was able to make the diagnosis correctly and on time.

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About multicooker - welcome to relevant section, I strongly advise you to acquire such a technique. We - Ukrainians - are very lucky, now the choice of multicooker is not limited only to Panasonic, as it was three years ago.
yalena
Quote: addresat

I thought you already baked it - and you are doing experiments !!! Well, let me know what happened.

Baked, only in another bread machine and without observing any proportions (by eye)
Strictly recipe baked for the first time
Winter
good evening everyone!
I have been thinking for a long time and choosing which HP to buy?
in M-Video there is now a stock of Moulinex 502430 for 6 490 rubles, so I was thinking of buying it.
But, after reading all the reviews, I became thoughtful. I already want Panasonic 2502!
But such a thing is embarrassing - I need HP with a large bucket volume.
Muli has max. the volume of baking is 1.5 kg, the power of the oven, in my opinion, is 1650 watts. It's impressive
and I would be just wonderful. because the family is big. A Panasonic max. volume 1250 g,
at the same time, the power is significantly lower than that of Moulinex-550 watts.
Why is there such a difference in power? Does this affect the quality of the mix at Panasonic? Although, practically no one complains about bread baked in Panasonic, which cannot be said about Moulinex.
But power, but volume !!!
can be just a replacement for the kneading machine!
What to choose ... maybe I'll adapt to moulinex?
It's just that I now bake sourdough bread, I take a double volume of ingredients, the dough yield is about 1750.
This is the very thing for us. Moulinex would have mixed such a quantity, but for Panasonic it will have to be significantly reduced.
I bake bread in the oven, but I would like to try it in HP. Moreover, I do not have a bread-loader, and I am already tired with my hands. Well, advise what to solve ?!
initially, I was offered the purchase of HP as a kneading machine. But baking in it is also interesting ...
yalena
Quote: Winter


Why is there such a difference in power? Does this affect the quality of the mix at Panasonic?

In Moulinex with one tenth, the power is also from 600 to 800!
And in those models where there are baggets and buns, there should be two tena, otherwise it won't be baked ...

*** yana ***
Winter and if you bake twice, if you are critical of that amount of bread ... do you eat so much in a day? ...
in terms of power in Panasonic, this gives energy sensitivity and, accordingly, consumption ... with a high power of the stove and at the same time, say, a washing machine or a kettle, you run the risk of traffic jams or the quality of bread baking ...
and the Panasonic kneads the tough dough well ...
Rina
even as a kneader, Panasonic will fit perfectly. Look what the alternative is (we are considering the Panasonic option).
= Knead bread from 1200 g of flour with your hands (something like this, if the end result is 1750 g?) Or run the same Panasonic twice at a maximum load of 600 g of flour (900 g of dough at the output), and then, for example, this dough is already mix with hands and send for proofing.
= Or run Panasonic twice a day and get two 900 g loaves at the exit (in the morning, leaving for work to get ready-made fresh bread in the evening, and then going to bed in the evening to get bread for breakfast).

As a result, you still get a lot less work for the hands.
yalena
Quote: Winter


It's just that I now bake sourdough bread, I take a double volume of ingredients, the dough yield is about 1750.

When the oven will do everything for you ... you will not need such volumes of bread, because you can bake a small loaf of bread every day!
Moreover, without any physical and moral costs!
And besides, 1750 g of dough and Moulinex is unlikely to knead ..
I also chose for a long time between Panasonic and Moulinex, as a result, negative reviews did their job and I bought Panasonic
Winter

Thanks everyone for the quick answers!

Quote: yalena

In Moulinex with one tenth, the power is also from 600 to 800!
And in those models where there are baggets and buns, there should be two tena, otherwise it won't be baked ...

is it because of the baguettes? I don’t need them in HP for nothing! bake if anything in the oven.
thanks for prompting!
Quote: *** yana ***

Winter and if you bake twice, if you are critical of that amount of bread ... do you eat so much in a day? ...
in terms of power in Panasonic, this gives energy sensitivity and, accordingly, consumption ... with a high power of the stove and at the same time, say, a washing machine or a kettle, you run the risk of traffic jams or the quality of bread baking ...
and the Panasonic kneads the tough dough well ...

I just bake with sourdough, this is a very time consuming process (so to speak)
you don't bake every day ...

the fact that kneads a steep dough is encouraging))
Thank you!

Quote: Rina

even as a kneader, Panasonic will fit perfectly. Look what the alternative is (we are considering the Panasonic option).
= Knead bread from 1200 g of flour with your hands (something like this, if in the end 1750 g?) Or run the same Panasonic twice at a maximum load of 600 g of flour (900 g of dough at the output), and then, for example, this dough is already mix with hands and send for proofing.
= Or run Panasonic twice a day and get two 900 g loaves at the exit (in the morning, leaving for work to get ready-made fresh bread in the evening, and then going to bed in the evening to get bread for breakfast).

As a result, you still get a lot less work for the hands.
if by leaps and bounds it is possible twice
it won't work with leaven ...
and how long does the dough kneading last?
at all. very good advice is to knead two portions of dough, thanks!
I just discovered that I looked inattentively - Panas 2502 has the volume of the largest loaf of bread 1000 g ((and I thought that 1250 ... I want the dispensers ...
but if you do, as you advise, kneading in turn, then the problem is solved!

Quote: yalena

When the oven will do everything for you ... you will not need such volumes of bread, because you can bake a small loaf of bread every day!
Moreover, without any physical and moral costs!
And besides, 1750 g of dough and Moulinex is unlikely to knead ..
I also chose for a long time between Panasonic and Moulinex, as a result, negative reviews did their job and I bought Panasonic

Thank you, I definitely lean towards Panasonic!
The percentage of positive reviews means something!
I read somewhere that sourdough bread is successfully baked in KhP ...
Aygul
There are also online stores, in which the price of Panasonic is much more pleasant than in retail stores.
addresat
Quote: Winter


I just discovered that I looked inattentively - Panas 2502 has the volume of the largest loaf of bread 1000 g ((and I thought that 1250 ... I want the dispensers ...

In all Panasonic they write the maximum size of a loaf of 1250, as a result, more than 1000 will not work. And at the expense of dispensers - just think - do you need them to overpay money for them.

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