natalka
I have a big kitchen and a big family: my husband and I, three children and mom and dad. When they ordered a new kitchen, they decided together that with so many hands there would be someone to wash, and the space in the cabinets seemed more expensive. But time passed (only a year) and I realized that nothing had changed in the new kitchen and few people could be persuaded to wash, and there was nowhere to put the dishwasher. I had to buy a desktop BOSCH for 4 sets. Yes, it is small, but we just get it right after every meal. Of course, it's inconvenient that baking trays do not fit and large pots, but what to do? For that, when buying, the seller told us that she (in general, BOSCH) had a much better washing quality (and I had no reason to doubt it) and more economical than the main majority of dishwashers. Not for nothing is a small BOSCH worth like a large one of most brands. I do not take into account the very fancy ones with cool electronics. So it turns out that you have to do something manually, but not everything! And the help, even from such a baby, is very noticeable.
Katyushka
We gave my mother a Boshev dishwasher for her birthday, installed it in the corner near the sink - it takes up little space, washes perfectly - all glasses and glasses are only in it, even baby bottles and nipples were washed in it. Of the complaints, only one thing is when you are too lazy to wash the dishes in the dishwasher (just kidding). That's all I am trying to persuade my husband to give his mother one, but he rests and says that we have so little money, but now there is no big money, and with the place of the problem, although in my opinion, if you wish, you can free the cabinet, especially since my father-in-law will be for throwing something out of these cabinets
SkoNaNi
But I don't know if it is a desktop one or not - dimensions H * W * D: 45cm * 54cm * 45cm. What is it considered?
Mams
SkoNaNi yes, it's a desktop. Full-size has a height of 85 cm, and a width-depth of 60 cm, narrow in "height" is also 85, depth - 60, width 45 cm. Sizes may vary + - a couple of cm.
Already today I washed the dishes twice with the machine ... Slowly I wash everything that comes to hand I made a casserole, along with the dirty dishes I shoved plastic containers from the mixer. At 40 degrees - washed off remarkably. Although I wash my dishes well, it is sometimes so dreary to wash plastic ... and mulberries ... good
SkoNaNi
Mams, yes, I know the sizes of the big ones, but the fact that the smaller ones are called desktop ones, I didn’t know. Live and learn! I hope I'll die wiser This little car will remain for my dad when we leave him, so he will hardly manage to fill this one in a day
By the way, does anyone have dishwashers with 3 rocker arms and 5 or more water directions?
natalka
Quote: torturesru

I installed it on a kitchen cabinet, calmly 6 sets of dishes fit into it, but there are already problems with a baking sheet and a large frying pan. I will probably put a narrow full-size one.

So we are, when we moved to a new house, we decided that the dishwasher was self-indulgence (before that we had no such thoughts at all), and a year and a half passed and I wanted to make the process of washing dishes easier for myself. We bought a small desktop PM Bosch, two more years have passed and it is becoming clearer that you need to purchase a full-size one. You quickly get used to good things.
torturesru
Quote: natalka

So we are, when we moved to a new house, we decided that the dishwasher was self-indulgence (before that we had no such thoughts at all), but a year and a half passed and I wanted to make the process of washing dishes easier for myself. We bought a small desktop PM Bosch, two more years have passed and it is becoming clearer that you need to purchase a full-size one. You quickly get used to good things.
Moreover, with the same or slightly higher consumption of water and electricity, any narrow or full-size machine washes better than a compact one - water is supplied from both sides. In general, in the West, compact appliances began to be made for the Russian market, because their stability a priori is worse, this was strongly manifested, and even manifests itself on washing machines. But what to do, the size of our apartments, and most importantly the bathrooms and kitchens are different from theirs.
Mams
Compact dishwashers in Europe are made primarily for single pensioners, and only then to Russia
fugaska
it seems that I also caught fire by buying a dishwasher ... I have ooooooooooo very little space in the kitchen, so I picked up a desktop BOSCH SKT 3002 or BOSCH SKT 5002 or BOSCH SKT 5108.they are almost the same, but I would have at least some sensible review - is it worth it or not take ... no one uses these?
Luysia
fugaska, Dishwasher BOSCH SKT 3002 EU I have almost two years. Her husband was the initiator of the purchase. I somehow did not really support this idea.

But it turned out that we had to move to another city (my husband was offered a job) and had to change something in the kitchen in the new apartment. That's when we bought a dishwasher so that we could immediately deal with water and electricity during the repair and then not hammer anything.

Now I'm happy with the purchase. He threw in the dirty dishes, took out a clean (very clean!) And dry one. True, since the dishwasher is a small saucepan, I don't put especially large ones in it. It fit in our lower table cabinet, behind the door (i.e., under the tabletop).

At the expense of the difference in models, I remember that when we bought it was the same, but a little more expensive (maybe BOSCH SKT 5002). It contains an additional function "Eco" - for washing a small amount of not very dirty dishes at a temperature of 65 C (without preliminary rinsing). That is, in mine there is "Normal wash" - the same but with a preliminary rinse.

Pistila chaotically, very tired.
If you have any questions, write, tomorrow I will definitely answer.

torturesru
fugaska It turned out that I went through in six months, it turned out so, 3 models of cars - Electrolux 2440 (desktop) and Siemens - semi and full-size. One in the country and two in different apartments. If there is even a minimal opportunity, take a full one - narrow or full, you will not regret it, everything will fit into it. If not, then desktop, you can install it anywhere without problems. Regarding the models you mentioned, a friend - BOSCH SKT 5108, washes well, but my desktop Electrolux is somewhat inferior, especially in terms of drying. And the rotary program knob is still not the most reliable. But, in general, he is satisfied with the machine, although he does not advise pouring in cheap detergents, after all, there is only one spray impeller and the effectiveness of a simple wash with a jet of water is reduced.
natalka
I have 5102, works several times a day (after each meal) for two years, I am very happy with it. It turned out that when we installed the kitchen, the dishwasher seemed to be pampering, but a couple of years passed and it clearly began to feel that we were lagging behind life and wasting time on anything (as in the advertisement "I'm not a dishwasher, I'm a woman!"). But in life it turned out that now there is nowhere to stick it in, so they bought a desktop one. It stands in my very corner under the wall behind the sink, the door opens just onto the sink, so it's very convenient to lay the dishes. Yes, large pots and baking trays do not fit in there, but the rest does not need to be washed with handles and wasted time. Also, if you buy it, keep in mind that you cannot put dishwashing tablets in it, only powder, salt and conditioner (or whatever it is called), but this does not complicate life at all, since salt and conditioner are added very rarely (in depending on the frequency of washing), but the powder is poured on each cycle of washing.

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fugaska
Thank you very much for your feedback! she herself would never have dared, which one would gladly have taken a "full-fledged" one, but there is absolutely no way to put it anywhere, I won't even be able to put it into a bathtub and I will hardly find a place for a tabletop, but at least she can "migrate" while won't settle
it remains to go shopping and persuade my husband
Lydia
torturesru, show your kitchen! I have the same problem: I am planning to buy a dishwasher, but which one? And the kitchen is also small, so where to put it? In general, the same questions as everyone else.
vorona
BOSH is a great car, but you still need to take into account the size of the family, there is little to go into these cars.Maybe it makes sense to take the average.
Bagel
Kind people, honestly, I will not master 105 pages of flipping, you have never discussed a compact dishwasher like
Electrolux ESF 2410 (there is a place in any kitchen: it can be installed on a table, on a cabinet shelf, under a sink. This model is also suitable for embedding in a kitchen set. The compact machine holds five complete sets of dishes. The inner chamber of the dishwasher is made of carbon dioxide - Electrolux patented plastic with excellent resistance to physical and chemical stress Among the five washing programs there is an accelerated program to save time and energy, a program for washing thin glass).
If yes, tell me at least on which page, if not, can someone tell me if it makes sense. There is nowhere to put a full-fledged one, even approximately, my husband refuses to wash the dishes, and I can hardly move my legs with my belly.
Jefry
Bagel

Don't even look at the compact PMM - it contradicts the laws of physics - with smaller dimensions and modest capabilities, it takes up MORE space than a full-size one!
(there is a place in any kitchen: it can be installed on a table, on a cabinet shelf, under a sink. Such a model is also suitable for embedding in a kitchen set. At the same time, a compact machine holds five complete sets of dishes.
These are marketing mantras, remember Masyanya: "Ah-ah, it's warm, warm ..." You also want to do auto-training later: this bandura does not bother me at all in the kitchen ... it suits me that only three plates fit into it ...
I repeat - the target audience of compact PMMs is single bachelors with a BIG kitchen!
Alena22B
Jefry,
maybe not so categorically?
Quote: Jefry

Don't even look at the compact PMM - it contradicts the laws of physics - with smaller dimensions and modest capabilities, it takes up MORE space than a full-size one!
We have Electrolux ESF 2440 at home. Through the efforts of my husband, it fits perfectly under the sink. And it does not fit 3 plates, but 6 sets. And there is really no place to put a large model in our kitchen.
Jefry
Quote: Alena22B

Jefry,
maybe not so categorically?
If you already have it and you are completely satisfied, then everything is in order (yes, where is the bin then?), And if someone else suffers from the torment of choice, then I still want to insist on my own. I will try to argue my opinion a little. If you put a compact and 45 cm PMM next to it, then the first one will be clearly smaller in size. This is where the legs of the marketing mantras "fit in any kitchen" grow. Let's say you convinced yourself that there is no alternative and just bought a CD. The first question is how to install. The simplest thing is to put it straight on the work surface and occupy 55 of its precious cm and cut the sausage on top of it. You can load and unload plates somewhere on the refrigerator and plates while standing on a stool. Suppose there is a husband available - a well-deserved crazy man and can shove this miracle under the table himself. I saw photos of quite successful designs. What we have as a result is a 60 cm wide section with a drawer at the bottom 55x40x15 cm. Nothing worthwhile can fit into this drawer, but in place of all this it was possible to put a full-size installation of 60 cm !!! Alena's version22 Something also smacks of adventurism to me. How deep should the sink be and into which tube should the siphon be rolled? I respect your husband's skill, but is such heroism always necessary? Maybe it was better to learn from experience Hairpins?
This is where the "advantages" of the compact end. It costs no less than a full-size one. It consumes the same amount or slightly less water, electricians and detergents (given its small volume and the fact that the dishes will have to be washed in parts, we can say twice as much). The functionality is usually cut to the limit, a minimum of programs. There can be no pre-washes at all, since the detergent dispenser is a recess in the lid (like in toy washers). Of course, I'm exaggerating about three plates, but can I take a photo of six sets of dishes in a compact basket in the studio?
Alena22B
Jefry,
Quote: Jefry

if someone else suffers from the pangs of choice, then I still want to insist on my own.
In my opinion, we in you understand "the pangs of choice" in different ways.
If someone chooses between a full-size and a compact PPM, then the choice must definitely be made in favor of a large one (provided that there is where to put it). I would have done it myself.
And if the choice is to take a compact PPM or not to take it at all, as it was with me and as with Bagels
"there is nowhere to put a full-fledged one, even approximately"?
I don't know where to read about Stud's experience. I'll tell you about mine.
We did not pay attention to marketing mantras when buying, and when choosing, we immediately knew where we would install it.
Nevertheless, my husband had to tinker. We have a double sink - the size (W * D * H) 1.20 * 0.50 * 0.8, the dimensions of the PPM - 0.55 * 0.48 * 0.45.
Yes, I have never had a bucket under the sink, but, in my opinion, this is not a subject of discussion in this topic.
You brought a lot of artements towards the full-size one - and it costs almost as compact, and consumes the same amount of electricity, and eats up space if you put it on the work surface. This is all true.
A few words in defense of your MRP (just to restore justice).
About detergents - consumes half less than a large one. My dishes in one sitting - we have a family of 3 people.
There are 5 programs in this model, but we actually use 2 - 3. As practice shows, more is not needed. Pre-wash - yes.
I can't lay out a photo of 6 sets - we never eat three of us with classic 6 sets. Place in the dishwasher - under 6 cups, 6 saucers, 12 plates and did not count how many forks.
But again, when buying, special attention was not paid to all this. More likely so - it was addressed, but when comparing models of compact PPM. And the choice was not to take big or small. The problem was whether to take a small one at all, since the occupied space is a critical parameter.
Personally, we have solved this problem with the help of the golden hands of my husband.

Jefry
This option is more likely not "no place at all", but "PMM in a ready-made expensive kitchen." If we abandon such a wide sink and go to the alteration of furniture, then a full building of 60 cm would easily fit in there.
I don't know where to read about Stud's experience.
It all started like this:
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=116.750

Place in the dishwasher - under 6 cups, 6 saucers, 12 plates and did not count how many forks.
Oops! And what about pots, pans, teapots with the second pass or handles?

Personally, we have solved this problem with the help of the golden hands of my husband.
All the same, my husband has a separate respect and respect

sazalexter
Alena22B I completely agree with Jefry from myself I can add that if there is a dishwasher, the sink is not particularly necessary (if only the cucumbers are of the type to wash), well, it's really wide
Alena22B
There is still a lot of space and, perhaps, it would be possible to abandon part of the sink, in favor of a full-size PMM. But - everyone decides for himself.
I have a similar option.
As well as here, the sink is at the turn of the kitchen, its left side is already behind the turn. The width of the curbstone from turning, remains only for PMM, and even + 15 centimeters. The facade of the sink doors was redesigned so that it was not necessary to open the doors - this is inconvenient for us.
Stud's decision is perplexing ...
Initially, an insurmountable problem was the trash can under the sink, but in the end they donated a whole bedside table with drawers ... Is it worth the opportunity to cram more dishes, lack of a bedside table (meaning the conditions of our small kitchens)? This, again, everyone decides for himself. The person was satisfied - this is the main thing.

Well, in general, we have already entered the offtopic zone, the pros and cons of both types are described, as I understand it, in the topic https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=116.0

This topic is about compact PMMs. And as the owner of such a PMM I will say that it has a right to exist in our small kitchens
yulia59
I saw the topic about desktop PMM and decided to write one interesting story, maybe it will be useful for someone. A year and a half ago, my brother's wife and I went to buy PMM.Our families are not big - they have three, we have two people, kitchens are more than 20 square meters, so there are no problems with the place. My brother's wife chose a full-size one for 12 sets (she liked the design and a bunch of different programs), I chose a desktop one for 4 sets (there was a sale and a decent discount, the car cost me only 4,999 rubles). My brother's wife was surprised at my choice and said - wow, not solid ! But I do not regret not much that I chose the small desktop PPM. Time has shown that the PMM's brother is idle, like furniture - his wife says that 6 plates, and heels of mugs, are not economical to load into the PMM, the consumption of detergents, electricity and water is expensive! I use almost one main program every day (practice has shown that others are useless, even though there are so few of them in the desktop PMM). So I advise everyone who has a small family (or big, but only breakfast and dinner at home), then it is better to buy a small desktop PMM, they are often given discounts and sales (sellers say the demand for them is not so hot - but in vain in my opinion).
Hairpin
I'll add my voice here against the compact PMM under the sink for housewives who either do not cook anything during the day, or cook above the roof and have a bunch of kitchen utensils (a food processor, mixer, juicer, chocolate maker + a bunch of pots and pans).
I have a narrow built-in Bosch. Cycle - about an hour (30 minutes washing and drying + 40 minutes cooling, so as not to deform the tabletop). When I don't cook anything, I accumulate half or a third and start it up, but when I cook ... Chop the onion and carrots for frying on a food processor - 5 minutes, but a disassembled food processor ... that's more than half a dishwasher, or a whole sink with a mountain ... As a rule, I do several things in parallel. Frying in a frying pan, proteins in a mixer, meat and beans in a pressure cooker, dough in a bread maker ... and these bulky dishes come back dirty as fast as I load them. And my kitchen (as it turned out recently) is 4.5 square meters.
I mean, if you have this data, the sink must be deep! She is the deepest I have ever found. And a compact one will not fit under a deep sink. And if you take a shallow sink, then ... my disassembled combine will fit there only partially ... I mean, a sink is a clipboard that shouldn't be small. Well, the trash bin ... you can of course keep a tiny one, but ... then I would pack the bags every half hour.

Well this is me, to the heap. This does not apply to bachelors and housewives who are limited in technology by a microwave and a mixer without a bowl.
Rina
yulia59 wrote what I myself had been planning for a long time. I will not say that my family is small and we eat at home once a day (this situation is common for families where everyone works). There are three of us adults and two small children: I am sitting with the children, my husband, who works a lot and eats at home once a day, and my father (by the presence of the house, something in between me and my husband).

We chose the small dishwasher quite deliberately and have been using it for a year now.

1. There is actually no place to put the floor. When the current kitchen was assembled, only two people lived in the apartment (it could have been placed next to the washing machine, but I have it with a shallow depth, and there are no such PMMs yet).
2. I cannot afford to have my dinnerware set during the day. When my children eat, 3-4 plates are often used + I eat. And now you need to calculate how many sets of dishes you need to have in order to afford to wash them once a day? Children’s tableware alone would require at least 10 plates + forks-spoons.
2. I try not to cook large amounts of daily food, so a saucepan for soup or porridge goes to the PMM with ease along with breakfast plates. For the same reason (small volumes) I do not use a combine harvester for cutting vegetables (it is easier to cut the same carrots and onions on a berner, but it is not recommended to wash it in the PMM).
3.If dishes are being prepared in large volumes (and this is far from every day), then there will definitely be something for the company to wash with a large saucepan.

Yes, I run the cycle 2-3-4 times a day and it turns out that I spend significantly more water than if I had one large PMM and I started it once a day (while I spend very little detergent, I pour a third of the powder when the dishes are not very dirty). But overall ... Is a dishwasher such a big savings? In any case, given its cost and the cost of detergents, electricity, how long will it take to pay off by saving water? (in my case, you still need to pay off the installation of counters) The task of the dishwasher is to free our hands and our time from washing dishes, and not a mythical economy enough.

I agree with Hairpin not even 100%, but 200%. If you cook a lot, using a lot of equipment at once, then a small PMM will only annoy. If it is possible to hold and use 3-4 sets of dishes per person, then a large dishwasher is needed. If you cook very little, then why a dishwasher at all? If life develops in such a way that dishes cannot be accumulated during the day, then a small PMM is quite a normal way out.
Hairpin
Quote: Rina72

If you cook a lot, using a lot of equipment at once, then a small PMM will only annoy.

I have a small (narrow) dishwasher ... It's just that a small PM needs a large sink ...
Rina
Hairpin, I have a small tabletop Bosch, which is for 4 sets of dishes. A sink is needed in any case (if the family cooks) rather big.

I'll tell you one little story. My husband once gave my phone to the promoters of some kind of super duper miracle vacuum cleaner. A girl called me and started talking about space technologies. I asked about the price - it turned out to be no less cosmic. The girl continued to persistently offer to buy their goods. In the end, I said to her, "Girl, imagine that you dream of a Bentley ... Cool, cool car. But it costs a lot. And you need to drive now and every day. Why would you sell an apartment for this and buy coveted Bentley? Or buy what you really can afford and what will drive normally? " She paused and said "Yes, I'll buy what I can afford." Then she excused herself and hung up.
Hairpin
The trouble is that under a deep sink (like mine), a compact PMM will not fit ...
Rina
My little Bosch fit on the part of the countertop that wasn't being used effectively. True, I had to slightly press the combine and put a coffee maker on the PMM. But my husband (for whose sake the coffee maker lives in the kitchen, and which I personally consider to be one of the useless appliances; if the flask breaks - I will buy a geyser on the stove) he does not drink coffee every day, but I put the dishes in the PMM several times a day. And I don't think it would be convenient for everyone to climb under the sink ... Still, this technique is tabletop.
Boo Boo
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2. I cannot afford to have my dinnerware set during the day. When my children eat, 3-4 plates are often used + I eat. And now you need to calculate how many sets of dishes you need to have in order to afford to wash them once a day? Children’s tableware alone would require at least 10 plates + forks-spoons.
I have 10 deep bowls, 6 large flat and 6 flat small ones. There has never been a plate run out. Here are a lot of cups, but also enough. The biggest shortage we have is teaspoons.
Rina
It is in the order of things for us if 3-4-5 plates + 2 forks + 2 spoons + 2 cups are used to feed children (only children). Children need to be fed 3-4 times a day. I'm only talking about children's dishes.

and "adult" cups and teaspoons are generally an eternal problem. At least there will be 6 cups, at least 12 (and there are more than 20 spoons) - they have some strange property of "creeping" around the house. Sometimes you have to organize raids to find teaspoons, because there are three left in the box.

But why did I write all this ... people are different, families are different.And for someone a compact PMM will suit (and will be the best choice for the situation), and someone will be satisfied with an exclusively full-size one.
Caprice
Quote: Rina72

people are different, families are different. And for someone, a compact PMM will suit (and will be the best choice for the situation), and someone will be satisfied with an exclusively full-size one.
Can I put in a nickle too? Forgive me for interfering. There are three adult working people in our family: me, husband and son. Working - this means that we are practically not at home all day. We live in a capitalist country. Let me explain: we pay for water and electricity according to the meters, and it is not cheap enough, and we have to pay huge fines for excessive consumption of water. We have a full-size PMM Bosch. Not a day goes by that we do not have it full. That is, pots, pans, all kinds of trays and their lids, cups of various sizes, cutlery, various gadgets, etc., all this is washed in the PMM. Our kitchen is not that big, and in order to place the PMM there, we had to re-plan something. But I can't imagine what it would be like if a compact PMM would chop off a piece of my desktop? I'm not talking about the fact that I would have to load it to the full several times a day in order to wash the daily norm of dishes? How much water and electricity would you have to pay ?! And if the family is younger than ours, in which there are small children who during the day need to cook repeatedly to eat, feed. That is, a family in which dishes get dirty more and more often? And if at the same time one of the adult family members is on unpaid parental leave, and all the financial problems are on the other adult family member (who is not always an oligarch), then how?
IMHO: compact tabletop PMMs are designed for singles who cook minimally. In other cases, this thing is simply unprofitable.
vorona
Well, let me express my opinion.
I have been using the Bosch compact for two years now, I was bought because of the space - my kitchen is large, but it is built-in, it’s difficult to intervene, here one cabinet was freed up for her, my feelings for her are complicated, on the one hand - she washes well, Yes, and our family is small, but on the other hand, large dishes, pots, a frying pan and even 1.5-liter decanters do not fit into it, we have to manually clean it. A spoiled manicure worries me more about saving. One thing pleases, we are going to move, I will leave it with the kitchen, and buy myself a full-size
Rina
Quote: Caprice

But I can't imagine what it would be like if a compact PMM would chop off a piece of my desktop? I'm not talking about the fact that I would have to load it to the full several times a day in order to wash the daily norm of dishes? How much water and electricity would you have to pay ?! And if the family is younger than ours, in which there are small children, who during the day need to cook repeatedly, eat, feed. That is, a family in which dishes get dirty more and more often? And if at the same time one of the adult family members is on unpaid parental leave, and all financial problems are on the other adult family member (who is not always an oligarch), then how?
IMHO: compact tabletop PMMs are designed for singles who cook minimally. In other cases, this thing is simply unprofitable.

Again, I repeat: the situations are different, families are different, the approach is different, and finally, the countries are different. In our country, it is not necessary to say that installing a dishwasher allows you to save water and electricity, to put it mildly. For example, I will pay off the installation of water meters by saving the same water, for a year and a half, and this installation cost me 1/5 of the cost of a dishwasher, that is, the machine itself will pay off due to water (purely theoretically) in seven years (if the current price level will remain). Plus, the cost of detergents is added, which exceed my payment for water at times. So, a dishwasher is a saving of my time and effort, not financial.

About children ...Just based on how I cook and feed them (and these are children's dishes), it is more convenient for me to wash the entire set of dishes (several plates, forks-spoons, three cups, a saucepan and a few more containers) here and now than store in a large dishwasher and wash three sets at a time (for which, by the way, space is also required, which is not there, since, as I already wrote, my kitchen is planned for two adults, and not for a full-fledged family with children). In two or three years I have just planned to rework the kitchen + the children will grow up and switch to common meals, that is, the "center of gravity" will shift from children's cooking to general cooking, plus there will be not several cooks throughout the day, but one evening meal. " jerk "for the whole family. Then the compact PMM will change to a normal one - I'm not going anywhere from this!

Quote: vorona
... but on the other hand, large dishes, pots, a frying pan and even 1.5-liter decanters do not fit into it, you have to manually clean it.
I don't know, I have a 6-liter saucepan, 3-liter cans, and a cake dish (rather big) in my Boshik. It's just that it doesn't fit with standard dishes, you have to start the machine separately if necessary (and the company will always find something to wash with "non-standard" dishes). Manually, you have to wash every little thing that has a habit of falling through the grate and wedging the rocker, plastic bowls that just turn over when washing in the PMM and take in water with detergents and what PMM is contraindicated. And my pans are cast iron
Jefry
I have a suggestion: leave this topic only for owners of compacts. They need somewhere to discuss their problems or peculiarities of exploitation. And all the pros and cons to write in the "choice of PMM".
By the way, I had an idea - to take a picture on a mobile dish every time it was unloaded, say, for a week or two. This will give me accurate statistics on the "performance" of my car. This was very puzzling: a family also of 3 people, we also eat in the morning and evening, 45 cm will not be enough, but someone uses five plates at a time and everything fits in a compact.
Zigor
I bought my desktop in the old kitchen and stood on top of the washing machine, and on it a TV. Such a pyramid! After the repair, I pushed it down. Fine. There are 4 of us. Very often, there is nothing to load all the way. Only when the pans are empty. 3-liter cans also fit. I launched it last night. The children really ate late and then put 2 plates in the sink.
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Luysia
Quote: Zigor

I bought my desktop in the old kitchen and stood on top of the washing machine, and on it a TV. Such a pyramid! After the repair, I pushed it down. Fine. There are 4 of us. Very often, there is nothing to load all the way. Only when the pans are empty. 3-liter cans also fit. I launched it last night. The children really ate late and then put 2 plates in the sink.
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I almost have my Boshik! Only the kitchen drawer is one at the bottom, not two (I specifically wanted a deep one for all sorts of large baking dishes). And an external furniture door is present so as not to violate the uniformity.

There are two of us now, sometimes three on weekends. Enough and small PM.
Ernimel
I have a tabletop candy cpos 100 for 4 sets. We are 2e + a child 2.5 years old and we are in a rented apartment.

Works for a little less than a year. She washes normally (he copes with morning porridge after dinner calmly, I don't soak anything), although she is not A, it does not dry a little - but it makes no difference to me at all. It is enough for us. In fact, when washing twice a day, almost everything goes there, except for the largest pans and a large saucepan + a certain amount of plastic boards, which are not dishwasher safe and I will not change them in any way. Since I cook actively in a double boiler, the pots and pans do not get dirty very often, and the double bottom takes up very little space (the bowls themselves get dirty just a little). At the same time, the frying pan even fits in there, but it's easier for me to brush the Teflon with a sponge under running water than to occupy a useful area in the dishwasher and wash some dough ladle or a steamer tray with my hands.

The usual daily load is all plates / spoons / cups after breakfast and lunch + some kind of ladle + rice container from a double boiler. The second time - at night, plates-cups-spoons from dinner + rice container from a double boiler + containers and parts from a blender / chopper, if sauce / marinade / salad dressing and / or part of a double boiler was made for dinner.

If they took it not to a rented apartment, but to their own, I would choose sets for 9+ built-in and load it once a day. But for sure - a cheap board is better than washing everything with your hands. The water meter is not worth it, by e-woo the additional costs are not very high. But even if I did, I would pour more than 10 liters from the tap for one such medium sink.

Vnemira
I have a Bosch SKS 40E02 EU, a good little clever girl !!! Everything in it is mine, the dishes shine, you can't do it with your hands!
Rina
ah-ah-ah-ah-ah !!! Something in my mechanics in my PMM glitchy. The powder compartment lid has stopped working. Moreover, both pins work, when you press the desired pimp with your finger, the lid opens, But in a working PMM, that is, directly with a pin on a pimp), it does not work! I feel that some kind of small mess, but I don't want to call the master yet (the call can cost from 80 to 200 UAH, I know from the washer)
Vnemira
Quote: Rina72

ah-ah-ah-ah-ah !!! Something in my mechanics in my PMM glitchy. The powder compartment lid stopped working. Moreover, both pins work, when you press the desired pimp with your finger, the lid opens, But in a working PMM, that is, directly with a pin on a pimp), it does not work! I feel that some kind of small mess, but I don't want to call the master yet (the call can cost from 80 to 200 UAH, I know from the washer)

I never used powder at all, only pills.
Jefry
A similar case was described on the trunk. Not only does the serviceman call cost money, but his diagnosis was to change the dispenser completely. And in the end, the cost of repairs would have poured into a tidy sum. And there is just natural wear and tear of plastic - to disassemble and use a file to walk a couple of times ...
Ernimel
Powder compartment lid stopped working
I have no compartments at all in my kanda (except for rinse aid and salt). everything is poured into the groove on the door, and the tablets are hung in a small pendant on a dish basket. And he washes himself calmly. This is what I mean - well, pour the powder to the bottom right away, it still pours out there during the process ... and it will dissolve there in the same way, if with a master and additional. reluctant to mess around with expenses ..
Luysia


Quote: Ernimel

This is what I mean - well, pour the powder to the bottom right away, it still pours out there during the process ... and it will dissolve there in the same way, if with a master and additional. reluctant to mess around with expenses ..

It seems to me that my Boshik first rinses the dishes (rinsing off food residues), and only then collects new water, opens the compartment with the powder and then the main wash takes place.

You will need to read the instructions.
Rina
So it seems to me that on programs 1 and 2 (long-term and standard), the trick with filling the blemish directly into the machine at the beginning of washing will not work. You need to catch the moment when the washing program with warm water begins directly.
Ernimel
I can’t say anything - my rinsing is a separate item, but the programs all go right away like this - it pours, starts to splash and heat the water, while it warms up - everything dissolves and washes, along the way it pours and refills several times.

The only thing is that if the preliminary rinse is short, there will be nothing special for the powder, it should rinse with cold water and not for long. And it does not dissolve instantly (in any case, calgonite - definitely not instantly, I somehow mixed up the program, I already started gurgling, and I drained the water and restarted the program - the powder looked not very dissolved and the water was not soapy yet). Well, or yes - to seize the moment and add powder during the process .... well, or call the master and / or change the trick ... and what other options?
Lisss's
finally ended the flour of choice, bought a desktop Bosch SKS 50. today was the grand launch!

she's just smart! the dishes are clean, dry, warm - buzz! and all this time I am on HP. RU

Gypsy, here is a photo of the download. on the right is my largest 5-liter saucepan, 13cm high, 26cm in diameter, and behind it there is also a beautiful large jug under the lid, in the far left corner there are two more saucers, they are black and cannot be seen, but they are there

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I am happy as an elephant, thank you very much for your help and advice!
Gypsy
Girls, can you turn off the drying in your machines?
Ernimel
Girls, can you turn off the drying in your machines?
uh ..Well, I don't really understand why this might be needed, but if you really want to, you can just turn off the machine after it has finished rinsing. You can even earlier, if it is very tight.

Only the drying here is condensation for all of them - it does not waste energy (in my opinion). It heats up once and just dries up by itself. Energy consumption is the only guess why a cycle without drying is needed.

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