Andrei
Thank you, Usyo understood, Panasonic wanted even more

apart from all the advantages, I like that bread is 600 and 1250 grams, and not 750 and 1000

It looks like you need to be patient and still get the 255th
Andrei
even to China, run for the stove, to the factory where Panasonic is assembled
Kiwi
Quote: Bunny

but interestingly, on the signature panel in Russian in Moulinex 5004 ??? in Panasonic, then in Russian ...
Yes, in Russian.

PS: I would wait ...
Bunny
thanks for the advice ... I myself suffer, but the problem is that no one even approximately says when they will be ...
Xenia
You will run and take me.
But it seems to me that you only need to run to the border or customs
But I don’t understand, someone should know why the stoves did not reach Kiev? Then why don't the stores have the information? After all, no one says that the goods are at customs or the goods have not been sent, but at the same time they say that they are about to. It cannot be that no one in Kiev knows about the proposed delivery, especially since a similar product has already been on sale and communications in this direction have been established (that is, certification has been passed, there is a considerable demand, etc.). What is the reason, who knows? And most importantly, why is such a big secret made from the supply of bread makers?
Crochet
Guys, please ... Well, at least someone can explain why all the same, are Panasonic so good ??? I have Mulinex-5002, before buying it, I also read the forum, but even then I knew for sure that no arguments in favor of other x / p would affect my choice, because when I first saw my stove, I realized that I had already made my choice ... and read the forum, just to make sure once again what kind of "miracle of nature" it is - BREAD BAKER (any) ... I was convinced, bought it and now slowly it adore...
And about Panasonic, if not difficult, still explain ... It even became interesting ...
Rustic stove
Quote: Krosh

Guys, please ... Well, at least someone can explain why all the same, are Panasonic so good ??? I have Mulinex-5002, before buying it, I also read the forum, but even then I knew for sure that no arguments in favor of other x / p would affect my choice, because when I first saw my stove, I realized that I had already made my choice ... and read the forum, just to make sure once again what kind of "miracle of nature" it is - BREAD BAKER (any) ... I was convinced, bought it and now slowly it adore...
And about Panasonic, if not difficult, still explain ... It even became interesting ...

Crochet, everyone loves OWN oven if it bakes delicious bread.

Guys, please, let's not start 1001 times unpromising showdown "my stove is coolest" !!!
Crochet
Quote: Rustic stove

Crochet, everyone loves OWN oven if it bakes delicious bread.

Guys, please, let's not start 1001 times unpromising showdown "my stove is the coolest" !!!
What kind of disassembly ??? : oWell !!! It was a declaration of love;) And the question about Panasonic is out of curiosity ... And curiosity, as you know, is not a vice ...
Rustic stove
Quote: Krosh

What kind of disassembly ??? : oWell !!! It was a declaration of love;) And the question about Panasonic is out of curiosity ... And curiosity, as you know, is not a vice ...

Krosh, I understand you

I meant that now the owners of Panasonic will begin to say that my stove is the best, because this and that, and the owners of other stoves will start, which is not bad with us, and those are not bad with you because you have not tried ours , while others - yes, you just show off, and those - yes, you have thin buckets, and others - and the Chinese stamp your stoves ... and so on, and so on ...This is how almost all the topics of stove comparison end, you can see for yourself and see for yourself.
All the good things that Panasonic owners could say about their stoves - everything has already been said
Andrei
Yeah, and once again convinced that you have to wait for the next delivery to Kiev or run to China yourself
Let's all run together
Rustic stove
Quote: Andrey

Yeah, and once again convinced that you have to wait for the next delivery to Kiev or run to China yourself
Let's all run together

Andrey, Bunny,
it is better not to run anywhere, but calmly choose an electronic scale if you do not have one yet. Avoid many rakes when baking bread. For information on weights, see the corresponding forum topic.
Mams
I just wanted to write, and you yourself understood everything. I wouldn't run anywhere right now. Better to wait. Indeed, after the New Year holidays, the warehouses are empty, in a week, you see, they will appear in Kiev. And even then, with all the wealth - you can already choose

I can’t resist, I’ll write about Panasonic, I hope they don’t throw slippers. I had Skis and now Panas. When I bought the Ski, I saved it, it wasn’t enough for Panas, and it seemed that it wasn’t worth that much money. When it became necessary to change the HP, they decided to buy a more expensive stove. Nothing new appeared in Skis, almost everything is the same. And Panas - previously unattainable, now seemed more interesting, well, how to change from a Zaporozhets to a Zhiguli ... raise, so to speak ... the level. I can’t say that LG is bad and unworthy, no, on the contrary, it has fulfilled its term with a hook! Now let's see how Panasik works. During the month that I had it, the children said that bread is better than in Ski. Less sweet, less yeast smell. And I believe my children
Andrei
scales electronic VINZER already bought during the waiting time, a snag in Panasonic
Bunny
oh, and I already have a scale ...
Xenia
And first I will wait for the stove, and then I will buy the scales.
And then while I wait for the stove and the scales deteriorate or go out of fashion
Andrei
Quote: Xenia

And first I will wait for the stove, and then I will buy the scales.
And then while I wait for the stove and the scales deteriorate or go out of fashion

What is the difference whether it is possible or not, the main thing is that they work

You are going to wait a long time, since you are afraid that they will break down or go out of fashion

I have a hope that they will be delivered before I grow old
Andrei
Celestina, didn’t it happen that ovens appeared in your store?
Or maybe they said the date of delivery?
If anything, beacon, pliz

I'm waiting, I'm exhausted
Bunny
but I don't have to wait long ... they should start today after 18 oo ...
may be able to bake bread today ... already bought Maufa flour, saf-moment yeast, buckwheat flour, oat flour, rye flour, milk ...
Andrei
and today I finally decided - I'm waiting for the Panasonic 255th
Andrei
I didn't want even without a dispenser and moulinex

and I like the design of Panasonic best of all
Linka
Quote: Bunny

but I don't have to wait long ... they should start today after 18 oo ...
may be able to bake bread today ... already bought Maufa flour, saf-moment yeast, buckwheat flour, oat flour, rye flour, milk ...
Bunny, if you live in Russia, try not to buy or use MacFa with the manufacturer "A" indicated on the packaging (indicated before the production date) - the result can be very disappointing ...
Bunny
they called and said that they would bring it at 20-00 if so, then tomorrow I will report on the bread!
Celestine
Quote: Bunny

I'm from Kiev ... I'll go look at A

Bunny, you, instead of describing every minute of your waiting for the stove, it is better to go through the recipes, otherwise they will bring you, and then a lot of questions will arise, and now there is enough time to read many pages, so that later you do not ask questions that beginners ask several times a day, and you yourself could give advice.
Xenia
Quote: Andrey


I have a hope that they will be delivered before I grow old

well, well ... hope, hope ...

I've been hoping for three months. That, probably, when I will stop hoping so they will immediately come to Kiev and our stoves will come.
Andrei
Yeah, it usually happens
Julai
Sorry, maybe not quite in the subject, but what is a "despenser" ?, otherwise somewhere there, somewhere not ...What is it for and can we do without it ?!
Bunny
apparently nothing like, like it, compact!
the recipe book is good ...
the courier said that the excitement for them and that they are also running out in warehouses, and when they will be - it is not known, and they are not even waiting for Panasonic - problems at customs due to the change of power ... as usual !.
and that customs clearance is expensive and the trail of panrtiya will rise in price ...
maybe he's lying?

Bunny
Andrey, you and I have a cool status - a seasoned baker ... but we haven't baked it even once ...
Lika
MariV, Nadezhda, I just took Darnitsky out of HP on kefir with milk and honey - the result is 5 +++, I'm afraid I won't post a photo after breakfast, there won't be any. I baked it on RYE and kneaded + RYE it turned out, but never had such a thin and tender crust with a high dome.
I changed the sequence: DUMPLINGS (kneading) - 5 minutes break - BASIC fast (RAPID), size XL, light crust. It turned out kneading 40 minutes, raising 1 hour, baking 40 minutes.
Celestine
Quote: Bunny

Andrey, you and I have a cool status - a seasoned baker ... but we haven't baked it even once ...

Nafludili, however ... try to be closer to specifics and preferably 2 sentences not to break into several posts, then there will not be so many pages of empty conversation
Bunny
about the oven - kneads the dough perfectly! very nice!!!! does not knock or rattle - but you can hear how it works ...
3ay4ik
Lika, tell me, and when you run on fast mode. Do you put more yeast? (in the recipes for Panasonic it is written in choux rye bread 2 tsp yeast if the main mode and 3 tsp if fast. ..
3ay4ik
Quote: Julay

, but what is a "despenser"?
A dispenser is a container in which raisins, nuts, dried apricots and other additives are put, and at a certain moment they need to be loaded into the bread maker. If done early, the additives can be crushed into powder from the paddles that knead the dough. To prevent this from happening, they came up with a dispenser. In Panasonic sd 255, it automatically comes off and pours out additives at the end of the batch. For other models, a signal sounds and you need to add the additives yourself. In general, you can do without it, but you will have to follow the process (although you still need to follow it, control the bun).
Bunny
Report:
what had - bread maker Moulinex 5004
what did you get - a beautiful loaf of bread, with a thin crispy crust, evenly baked, with a beautiful golden top crust - not at all white!
it is embarrassing that the stirrers remain in the bread and then they have to be removed ... I got one stuck - I took it out and that's it, it's not scary, but still there is such a moment ...
otherwise - I do not know about Panasonic, but much better!!! I took a photo - tomorrow I'll put it on my computer and post it, and in the morning my husband will take my loaf to Odessa. I'll bake one more now!
p. from. during baking there was a smell of an iron heating, but this is written in the instructions, after the first few times it should go away ...

So far I am very happy and do not regret the choice made! and tomorrow I will make baguettes, and if everything is ok - I will boast with pictures !!!
Rustic stove
Quote: Bunny

Report:
what had - bread maker Moulinex 5004
what did you get - a beautiful loaf of bread, with a thin crispy crust, evenly baked, with a beautiful golden top crust - not at all white!
it is embarrassing that the stirrers remain in the bread and then they have to be removed ... I have one got stuck - I took it out and that's it, it's not scary, but still there is such a moment ...
otherwise - I do not know about Panasonic, but much better!!! I took a photo - tomorrow I'll put it on my computer and post it, and in the morning my husband will take my loaf to Odessa. I'll bake one more now!
p. from. during baking there was a smell of an iron heating, but this is written in the instructions, after the first few times it should go away ...

So far I am very happy and do not regret the choice made! and tomorrow I will make baguettes, and if everything is ok - I will boast with pictures !!!

Bunny, congratulations on a successful purchase and good bread !!!
My instructions say that if the stirrers get stuck in the bread, then you can add 10-20 ml of water.
I wish you continued success!
And we are waiting for pictures of baguettes !!!
Andrei
Quote: Bunny

Andrey, you and I have a cool status - a seasoned baker ... but we haven't baked it even once ...

So you also have the same status, but the stove appeared only yesterday
We do not set the status, but the system

Question about baguettes - how do they fit there?

Photos of Mona?
Bunny
I haven't made baguettes yet. they fit there normally, because they are not large - 20 centimeters
baked 2 breads per night - it turned out great. and it tastes great!
Celestine
Bunny, If you want to supplement what you have just written, you can click the "edit" button and add any sentence.
Otherwise, it will be very difficult to find your photos and a specific replica, because a lot of pages are obtained
Andrei
Quote: Bunny

pictures later. in the evening

OK

Interestingly, it even turns out that first she kneads the dough, then pulls it out, put another mold in the bakery and put the dough for the baguette there? Then she bakes? and at one time how many baguettes Mona make? one? Just curious

And then in the pictures in the shops there is a stove outside the sfotkan ... and the process is not clear ...
Celestina, does it make sense to wait any longer, what's on the front of the stoves?
natalka
Quote: Lika

I changed the sequence: DUMPLINGS (kneading) - 5 minutes break - BASIC fast (RAPID), size XL, light crust. It turned out kneading 40 minutes, raising 1 hour, baking 40 minutes.

An interesting find. Need to try. Write in more detail what recipe you used and what kind of bread turned out. Why is he so good?
Celestine
Quote: 3ay4ik

... If done early, the additives can be crushed into powder from the paddles that knead the dough. To prevent this from happening, they came up with a dispenser.

In fact, not everything is so scary
I practically do not use this device, I didn’t find only an apple in the product, and nuts, candied fruits, chopped olives and so on looks very nice, this is what a blade should be, so that they are in powder
Bunny
you can bake 4 baguettes at once.
the dough is kneaded, and then you need to take it out, divide it into 4 pieces, form 4 sausages, put in a mold - and put in a bread maker.
now I'm baking buckwheat bread - dad asks, and baguettes in the evening ... or tomorrow
and here are the pictures
Panasonic or Moulinex - general questions of choice

My first bread in a bread machine.
Panasonic or Moulinex - general questions of choice

Panasonic or Moulinex - general questions of choice

Celestine
Quote: Andrey

OK
Celestina, does it make sense to wait any longer, what's on the front of the stoves?

As someone correctly said yesterday: the change of power at the customs, they will not figure it out in any way and a lot of goods are there (at least that's what they tell us) ... we are waiting .. with ..
Andrei
yes, disappointingly, the sides at customs again ...

It became already sad, it is not useful for me to mean Panasonic

And Zayka's bread turned out to be good, in general, there is something to congratulate!
Bunny
Thank you Andrey! Buckwheat is kneading for now - then I will share my impression ... yet - no disappointment, a pleasure !!!
The bread maker is superb, the shape of the loaf is wonderful, elongated ...
and what a delicious bread ... mmmm ...
take it, you won't regret it .. while they are still there
Andrei
I’m thinking OW3000 after all, I’m just not so big
and it costs more than I allocated the budget

but we don't eat so much bread

I just want high-quality and tasty bread
Bunny
the bread maker is not at all huge. I was even surprised ... a little more than a double boiler ...
Lika
Quote: Celestine

Well this is what a blade should be to make them into powder
Helicopter probably

3ay4ik, for a mixture of flour 250 rg / 250 ps I put 1.5 yeast, regardless of the combination of modes is enough. I put yeast in pure wheat with the addition of bran, flakes, etc. on the fast mode according to the table from the instructions. I use Levure, many people complain about them, but I like it and did not misfire.
Bunny
and you dilute Levure with water?
Lika
Quote: natalka

An interesting find. Need to try. Write in more detail what recipe you used and what kind of bread turned out. Why is he so good?
The recipe is probably from here https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=596.0, but altered by the amount of liquid. Warm mixture of kefir and milk (220/150), milk may have to be added, depending on the thickness of kefir + seeds in the batch + ground coriander and cumin / cumin. I also like it with baked milk or fermented baked milk + baked milk.
In other versions of the modes, it turned out with a flat roof and more dense. The last time it turned out with thinner bottom and side crusts and with a dome like a pure wheat one, which surprised me a lot.
Quote: Bunny

and you dilute Levure with water?
No, dry under flour like Moment

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