Boyaka's cat
Nuuuu .... I definitely don't shine at this price ... In Rostov, M-VIDEO mentally offered at least 5990, I found a store where the price would be more humane, but hardly less than 5500-5600 ...
Well, okay ... The mood is no longer knocked down, the hotts of bread .... Courageously waiting for the delivery, but I brought my muschschinks (with pictures of breads from the forum) to such a state that they are waiting no less than I myself am buying x \ n
natalka
So our price is a fraction of what Okssi wrote about. I bought my Panasonic, in the last week before the New Year, at a discount (with a discount card) for 6033r. But, as they say, hunting is worse than bondage. I wanted him for almost half a year and couldn't keep up all the time. And even then, when I drove into the store and saw that they cost 254 and 255, I immediately grabbed it, and the girls say that they brought it an hour ago, they had not even disassembled all the goods, and by the evening there was nothing left from Panasonic. How! No wonder I couldn't catch up with her for half a year. This is bought from the car.
riosun
"... but one quality of the bread obtained in Panasonic can be exchanged for all 14 programs."

Is it possible in more detail how the taste of panas bread differs from moulin?
Goshka
Lord, how much I had to shovel ... (read) to get to the right thing: where in Moscow? Thank you very much, they answered where and for how much! There is very little left to figure out: Is the P255 really huge? I found the dimensions, it seems not very much, but the shape .... I read somewhere that you need a grounded socket. It's necessary?
Okssi
Goshka, I myself have not long ago been from your ranks and suffered the same question, I even created a Temko read https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...mf&Itemid=26&topic=2148.0 The topic is called Subtleties of connection. But in a nutshell, I will say that grounding is definitely needed, this is a requirement according to the instructions. I decided it like this: I have a grounded socket at the stove, but it takes little energy, I connected a small extension cord to this outlet with an outlet on two sockets and connected the stove and a bread maker there.
Korata
255 is probably the most economical in size)) And about grounding - I don't have it .. Now it seems that all household appliances require this, however, I also have a washing machine and a microwave oven and a multicooker with HP without it
Goshka
What a smart woman !!! I would never have realized! I'm sitting here squeezing out of men at work: where can I stick ....... they draw some kind of schematics to me, they say something about the shield ........... Everything is simple and concise!
Okssi
The main thing is to take an extension cord with grounding))
And in size it is small, I stand perfectly on the windowsill and does not bother anyone. The cookie is very good, you will not regret it, I will just take the liberty of advising it, do not regret it - buy an electronic kitchen scale right away with the stove, the money is small, and the chance of getting the first pancake will decrease by 80%
Goshka
Thanks again. A pretty window sill ... I only have enough room for a cat! When cooking, transfer it to the table or does HP always stand there?
Detached: what is good about a multicooker ???
Okssi
It works there))) I have a Stalin-built house, as I changed the windows to plastic ones (they are larger than double wooden frames), so the window sill became 55 cm wide and the bread maker is free there and about 8 cm to the window ...
Celestine
Quote: Goshka


Detached: what is good about a multicooker ???

there are Temki on this issue, there is sooo much information, read it, and, I think, one more person who wishes will become more
Korata
Quote: Celestine

and, I think, another person who wants more will become
This is for sure. Thanks to our site, I also became its owner. And I do not regret it at all))
Goshka
How similar the kitchen (furniture) is to mine .... beauty! I love this style! Well girls, you completely intrigued me ... !!! I will dig now about the multicooker ...
Hope
Quote: Goshka

How similar the kitchen (furniture) is to mine .... beauty! I love this style! Well girls, you completely intrigued me ... !!! I will dig now about the multicooker ...
Be sure to read and buy a multicooker. I got to this site, I wanted to buy a bread maker. I learned how to bake bread and at the same time read about the cartoon. As a result, by the New Year I bought a second multicooker.
Korata
Quote: Goshka

I will dig now about the multicooker ...
why dig ?? come here https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in..._smf&Itemid=99&board=71.0
Okssi
And in general, I accidentally visited this site, by mistake ... I got hooked, read it and, as a result, buy a bread machine. Everyone who, after visiting the site, buys a discount in general, should be given a discount in stores !!
natalka
I, too, before visiting this site, had never heard of a multicooker. And I found out about this miracle pot and caught fire. As soon as I got it, I immediately bought it and never regretted it. Today she is preparing the third dish for me. First there was borscht, then a casserole, and at night I put a jelly. What beauty is with her. Put it down and walk or go to sleep.
Goshka
Quote: Okssi

And in general, I accidentally visited this site, by mistake ... I got hooked, read it and, as a result, buy a bread machine. Everyone who, after visiting the site, buys a discount in general, should be given a discount in stores !!
There is no limit to my gratitude !!!!!!
Boyaka's cat
Girls, thank you all very much! DONE !!!!!!!!
I just arrived from the store with a bread maker in an embrace and is so happy (I think I gurgled with joy for the whole minibus while I got home)
I bought Panasonic 255, and - for 5311 ry .... There is no limit to Happiness. I will have a stove tomorrow, today I will not have time, I will come late ... Well, let the unit heat up, get used to the house
Boyaka's cat
Quote: Hope

Congratulations, you had to wait a long time for this purchase.
Two weeks .. probably not so long, but tedious ... to feel like a hobbled horse

Quote: Hope

Write about successes.
And then! Kaneshna ....
Boyaka's cat
Quote: natalka

Congratulations! Two weeks is not a period, but the impatience is great. I understand, I myself have been waiting for almost half a year, but at least I used Mulka this time.
Natalka, "ziziba!" (thanks!), as my little nephew used to say to the little ones .... the most pleasant thing is that here on the forum people understand the joy of such a purchase .. she said to her friend on the phone, she grunted - "but what for do you need her ?!" It will be fun for me to see how soon the bastions will fall and she herself will start catching x \ n in the stores Although she may resist ... Fifty-fifty, as they say ...
Rustic stove
Quote: natalka

Exactly. Rye loves long kneading, but why is it almost the shortest in ALL ovens with a special rye bread program? What's the catch? It's a mystery to me.

It seems that rye does not have as many rises as wheat? This reduces the time.
MariV
Quote: Hope

I am also interested in this question. I bake rye bread all the time, and I do it well on the RYE BREAD program. After reading the forum posts, I decided to increase the batch time. First, the pizza program is 15 minutes, then the RYE BREAD program. I am sure that I put the ingredients as usual on the electronic scale, and the bread did not work out. It tasted normal, but the dome collapsed and the crumb was crumbly. It feels like a lot of liquid. I don’t do more such experiments.
I have a similar experience.
Andrei
since I can't find panasonic sd-255 for a month and a half - I would like to understand what is the difference between panasonic sd-254 and moulinex OW3000, is it worth looking for a panasonic 254 or taking moulinex OW3000 or 5002?
Bunny
I'm already taking Mulinex 5004, I ordered $ 225. e.
tired of waiting for the panasonic - especially since no one predicts when they will be brought at all
Andrei
yeah, I read it in the course, but I'm still in agony
Okssi
And in what city are you looking, Andrey?
Andrei
In Kiev

And nowhere is she ...
Andrei
In Odessa, I called one Internet store and called Kremenchug, also one Internet store, they said that they did not either ...

I don't even know where to look already ...
Viki
In Odessa, in Megamax Panasonic, frequent guests and several models at once.
Andrei
Quote: Viki

In Odessa, Panasonic Megamax has frequent guests and several models at once.

It's cool, why do we have such a ... well, in general, a bad situation

And another type of capital ...
Celestine
Quote: Andrey

Cool, but why do we have such a ... well, in general, a bad situation

And another type of capital ...

Odessa is a port city ... you catch it, that's where it happens more often, but it doesn't reach us (either customs, or delivery)
Andrei
I understand purely logically, but I want a stove
Andrei
Still, I wonder if you suddenly come across when looking for sd-254, which oven is better than the Panasonic sd-254 or the ow3000 mulinex?
Mams
Oh, Andrei, do not ask The site has so many discussions on this topic, which stove is better ...
And why, by the way, 254? and not 253 or 255? They seem more comfortable to me, is there a dispenser?

Andreevna
Quote: Mams


And why, by the way, 254? and not 253 or 255? They seem more comfortable to me, is there a dispenser?
There is no dispenser or rye bread program in the 254.
Nikama
It seems to me that the difference between these HPs is in the program time: the Panas have time - 4-5 hours, and in the Mulinex it is not more than 3.50! (I don't like to put baked goods at night!) And another thing I like about Mulinex is there is a viewing window !!! (Since I love experimentation, it helps a lot!)
So the choice is purely individual !!!!
Mams
Andreevna, I also meant it, just punctuation marks, as usual, incorrectly conveyed the meaning of the question. It seemed to me a little incomprehensible the choice of exactly 254, I think that 253 and 255 will be more comfortable, they have a dispenser!
They also have different weights of bread, Moulinex has 750 g, 1000 g, 1500 g, Panasonic has from 600 to 1250.
And about the window ... First of all, I also loved to look into it with passion, but there was no need to wait for a call when you need to throw a raisin ... A very convenient thing - a dispenser. Then at Panas's during kneading you can look at the bun a couple of times.
Rustic stove
Quote: Nikama

It seems to me that the difference between these HPs is in the program time: the Panas have time - 4-5 hours, and in the Mulinex it is not more than 3.50! (I don't like to put baked goods at night!) And another thing I like about Mulinex is there is a viewing window !!! (Since I love experimentation, it helps a lot!)
So the choice is purely individual !!!!

At Panasonic the program is longer in time - because there is a time for temperature equalization.
The fact that the choice is a purely individual matter - I agree 200%

Andrei, the topic that you started has been discussed many times, see the forum section "Difficulties of choice".
Andrei
I want sd-255, but due to the fact (I explained above) that I can't find it anywhere, I began to look closely at others. ow3000 is for sure, sd-254 I saw three times in ordinary stores ...

Therefore, the choice is this ...

and interestingly in Panasonic the lid is blocked during kneading or only during baking? or not blocked at all? that is, you can drop in?

And since I look without a dispenser (it looks like only Panasonic 253 and 255 with a dispenser out of all ovens), then I'm trying to figure out between these two models - which one is more convenient and reliable
Andrei
Quote: Rustic stove


Andrei, the topic that you started has been discussed many times, see the forum section "Difficulties of choice".

yes, but it was the sd-254 and ow3000 mozhels that were not compared, everything was compared with everyone in a row
Celestine
Quote: Andrey

yes, but it was the sd-254 and ow3000 mozhels that were not compared, everything was compared with everyone in a row

so it is impossible to compare all bread makers, they all perform the same function, you can only read some of the differences in the description (there is a lot of information on the site), but one cannot say which is better, which is worse, everyone likes their own, which means they have the right to be and be called a good thing ... you can only choose your own by intuition ... or by availability
Rustic stove
Quote: Andrey

yes, but it was the sd-254 and ow3000 mozhels that were not compared, everything was compared with everyone in a row

So every stove has already been discussed at least once! Probably you can compare information from different topics?
For an objective comparison, one person needs to try both models, and so you just ask questions about individual functions about the individual functions of these stoves.
READ THE DOCUMENTATION for these models, and if any questions remain after that, already ask them to the owners of the corresponding stoves.
Nobody decides for you. The question "which is more convenient and which is more reliable" - how do you imagine the answer to it? It is more convenient for everyone what he is accustomed to, and breakdowns occur with any manufacturer.

Good luck with your choice!

ЗЫ The lid of Panasonic is not blocked, you can open it during kneading and during baking.
Okssi
Andrey, Panasonic 255 does not block anything, neither during kneading nor during baking. I bought this stove before the New Year and so far I am very happy, I have already baked several types of white and rye, and yesterday, with chocolate with nuts, everything worked out and baked well. Despite the fact that the lid is not blocked, I do not advise you to look in there after the last batch, and especially just before baking - otherwise you will get bread with a collapsed roof. Look at the bun, especially at the initial stages, but then it's better not to interfere with your stove
natalka
Quote: Andrey

I want sd-255, but due to the fact (I explained above) that I can't find it anywhere, I began to look closely at others. ow3000 is for sure, sd-254 I saw three times in ordinary stores ...

Therefore, the choice is this ...

and interestingly in Panasonic the lid is blocked during kneading or only during baking? or not blocked at all? that is, you can drop in?

And since I look without a dispenser (it looks like only Panasonic 253 and 255 with a dispenser out of all ovens), then I'm trying to figure out between these two models - which one is more convenient and reliable

I had Mulineshla 3000, and now Panasonic 255. I wanted to change more due to the fact that in P the maximum bun is 1250g, and in M ​​- 1000g. But my PERSONAL opinion, wait for Panasonic. I already wrote a lot about the advantages of Panasonic and if I start again, they will beat me. And if you choose between 253 and 255, then there is a difference in one program. Where in 253 Italian, there in 255 Dough on dumplings. See what you need. if you don’t bother with dumplings, dumplings and homemade noodles, then of course 253 is better. And the lids in none of them are not blocked and you can spy at any time.
And also that they are all out of stock ... isn't that what speaks in their favor. People know what to hunt for. Wait!
Bunny
oh, I'm already getting scared ...
can I also wait for Panasonic ... though ...
Rustic stove
Quote: Bunny

oh, I'm already getting scared ...
can I also wait for Panasonic ... though ...

"how scary to live" (c)
buy at least something and bake soon
Bunny
but interestingly, on the signature panel in Russian in Moulinex 5004 ??? in Panasonic, then in Russian ...
Kiwi
Quote: Nikama

Panas's time is 4-5 hours, and in Mulinex it's not more than 3.50! (I don't like putting baked goods at night!)
Well, let's say, not 4-5 hours for Panasonic, but 4 in the main mode always, the difference of 10 minutes is probably still not significant. French, yes, it takes 6 hours to bake, but how many do Mulinex have?

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