Dishwasher selection (2)

[Scorpio]

Scorpio, I wash my pots on the 70C program or economy (if immediately after eating), washes well. I pour 15-20 grams of powder. On the car, I also did not like the quality of washing.

And in your PMM does the aquasensor work on all programs? In my only car, and this is my favorite program.

[lega]

I also love the auto program the most.
lega,
Galyunya,

And in your PMM does the aquasensor work on all programs? In my only car, and this is my favorite program.

I do not even know. The instructions say that the sensor works depending on the program, and in the automatic program, the temperature and the duration of the program are adjusted to the degree of soiling of the dishes. Maybe it's not activated for me?

We need to fit the PMM into such a space W * H * D * 50 * 50 * 48. Did you find only such an Electrolux ESF 2410 on the Internet? How does she work, tell me?

And you can't find another 5 cm in length? I have 2440 - very happy.

Lesik, I'm still only in a creative search for my PM (and in martial law with my spouse about the purchase of this unit). In terms of the dimensions of my kitchen, I tend to be small, but after reading the reviews on your link, I realized that "-" is more than "+". You probably came across a good model.

[lega]

I do not even know. The instructions say that the sensor works depending on the program, and in the automatic program, the temperature and the duration of the program are adjusted to the degree of soiling of the dishes. Maybe it's not activated for me?

In my PMM, only the AUTO program can analyze the transparency of the water during the last rinse and add additional time for rinsing - itself. All other programs simply drain the water and dry the dishes. It is for this opportunity that I love AUTO more than all other progs.

I also love the auto program the most.
lega,
Galyunya,

Lena, sister!

Lesik, I'm still only in a creative search for my PM (and in martial law with my spouse about the purchase of this unit). In terms of the dimensions of my kitchen, I tend to be small, but after reading the reviews on your link, I realized that "-" is more than "+". You probably came across a good model.

I have another model - 2440 - it is very good, I love it. But in size, you need to add to your 5 cm wide (even baking trays fit easily). If it fits, I recommend it. And the link was 2410.

[lesik_l]

lesik_l , thanks, we study everything. And yours will not fit in any way rather than 2410 should be taken. How hard it is to be in such strict size limits

Another one found Delfa DDW-3208. Someone uses it?

[Marinel]

Marinel, today soaps on an intensive program. everything was washed perfectly. During the day I collected so many dishes that I put them in the car for 15 minutes. I collected a few cups (rinsed during the day), especially so that all the plates could be collected in the upper basket. and in the lower one put pots, bowls, which were smeared during cooking, and a 3-liter bottle. The basket for spoons of forks is very huge and takes up a lot of space, you need to look for something similar in the store, and a smaller one.
I learned how to arrange the dishes correctly. Spied on the girls here here: https: //Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=27356.0.html

But there is one "BUT". During the wash, when I stand near the machine, I smell, probably, of detergent powder. I licked the washed dishes, which many did here, And for a long, long time there was a very unpleasant taste in my mouth. similar to soap.

Well, I don't want to feed my family with chemistry from plates !!!!

Marinel, and at what number do you have rinse aid? I have it at 3. Tomorrow I'll put it at 2 and again we will lick the plates.

Maybe 25 ml of powder is a lot and it doesn't rinse out?

And my saucepan from the fat borscht washed well on the short program, but the piece of pasta that stuck to it remained. Glass washes very well. And of course 45 cm is small, if you wash the plates and cups, it’s okay, but pots and bowls take up a lot of space. And for some reason the salt sensor keeps blinking, why?

If the sensor is flashing, then salt needs to be added. In some cars, it is washed out very quickly.

[Scorpio,]

Scorpio, I break the pill in half, and the dishes are perfectly washed, so 25 ml of powder seems to me to be a lot.
And we immediately save up dirty dishes in the car.

[Marinel]

I licked the washed dishes, which many did here, And for a long, long time there was a very unpleasant taste in my mouth. similar to soap.

Today I tasted a drop of water remaining at the bottom of the cup - there is no aftertaste, just some kind of slippery water.

Marinel, and at what number do you have rinse aid? I have it at 3. Tomorrow I'll put it at 2 and again we'll lick the plates.
Maybe 25 ml of powder is a lot and it doesn't rinse out?

The factory setting of the rinse aid level was 5, now it is at 3, but today I will set it to 2. 25 g of powder is probably a bit too much for our cars. It seems to me that the powder is not washed out all due to the fact that Boshevsk cars have a super economical water consumption.

Girls, how much rinse do you pour ???
I always wanted to ask a question to everyone who uses for a long time .............. .

[Svetik [/, you need to pour a full compartment, the machine itself takes the right amount. It depends on the installation set on your machine.]

Svetik [/, you need to pour a full compartment, the machine itself takes the right amount. It depends on the installation set on your machine.

Girls, how much rinse do you pour ???
I always wanted to ask a question to everyone who uses for a long time .............. .

I pour 30-50 ml, and it is enough for about 30-40 washes. But this amount depends on the choice of the rinse aid flow rate (1-6).

[AlisaS]

I pour it into the rinse aid hole ... until it goes up (figuratively speaking), but it's a little ........... 50ml .. ... that's a lot in my opinion
AlisaS and what kind of machine do you have? ................. I have such a hole that it spills, if I used to take a container with a spout, and then I adapted to a syringe from Immunal, an exact hit until it spills out ........ and I pour the powder about 25g

I also pour a full compartment of rinse aid, and the regulator is at 3. I tried it at 2, but stains appeared on the dishes immediately, I had to wash them.

I put half of the powder compartment, rinse aid for 1, respectively, salt also for 1, due to very soft water

[Marinel]

I don't know what my water hardness is, I think it's average. I changed the indicators from 4 to 2, and set the rinse aid to 1. (I did not like slippery dishes). Powder poured 20 grams (Weighed). Auto program.

The result is excellent, no streaks or stains, the dishes are non-slip and taste neutral. 1 spoon of dried porridge was not washed.

The shelves that covered the cups were completely unhooked for cutlery, because high cups did not fit under them. Immediately there was a lot of space. on top of the cups you can still put something that is not very convex.

I removed the basket for spoons and forks completely, takes up a lot of space, and is not completely filled with devices, and instead I put a regular, plastic home stand in which spoons used to stand.

I wanted to cut the basket for forks and spoons in half, and then decided, what if it comes in handy?

It seems to be a big car, for 12 sets, but as soon as you start stuffing it, it won't fit!
Marinel, and you have a car of whose assembly, German? I have Poland, but I would like a German.

It's great that you have already found the best option for yourself! I am surprised that not everything fits into a 12 complete car. I have a narrow Bosch, 9 sets due to a small kitchen and a family of 5 people. I cook a lot and everything fits! How different we are!

[Pilgrim]

Pilgrim, well, you probably load the car 2 times a day, and I, in order to save money, only once, in the evening. If you cook, a bunch of pots and bowls are smeared, and they are oversized.If only to eat, then a lot of plates, and they fit without problems.

Yeah, but if you also wash the grates from the stove after frying

I read about Shpilkin's adventures right here and sadly I thought: shouldn't I go and drink 100 grams ... or even 200, or maybe 500, if with a Hairpin. It only remains unclear what to do with me later.

In general, my situation is even worse, the kitchenette is tiny, now there are 3 cabinets + a built-in stove. Total: 60 (sink) +60 (stove) +30 (cabinet) +60 (cabinet).
I cannot part with the last cabinet, because it is divided into two parts (in height) and each of them is retractable, that is, you do not need to dive into the cabinet entirely on your own to find something there.
In this situation, the option suggests itself - to drive a desktop dishwasher under the sink, but if the first problem is a deep sink + siphon (or what else is this thing called?), It is theoretically possible to figure it out, then the question "WHERE TO DO THE BUCKET ???" - became a stumbling block with my husband. He is categorically against "taking out the bucket", and all my arguments about a civilian metal bucket with a lid are smashed to smithereens. The husband suggested an alternative, namely to drive a small dishwasher under the table opposite (standing in the corner).
At this stage I already protested. If you drive the PM there, but what's the point of buying a small one? With the same success, you can take a typewriter with dimensions 85x50x45 and for 10 sets of dishes, but there is one BUT even here. Our table is not exactly a table, but is made in the form of a bar counter, albeit not high, 80 cm. And now try to guess who again rested horn and does not want to raise the table by 5 cm?
Here are the questions:
1.How much will the height of the PMM decrease if you remove the top cover from it?
2. What is the minimum height of built-in PMM, if we consider this option?

[Sonadora]

Hence the question: how much will the height of the PMM decrease if you remove the top cover from it?

Sonadora , I have 4cm. This is how the washer stands (without the top cover).

The husband suggested an alternative option, namely to drive a small dishwasher under the table opposite (standing in the corner).

I'm thinking, but what about the drain hose and water? I have the same problem at my dacha. There is nowhere to put, but I really want to. And also the opposite option. But he doesn't seem very good to me.

[Omelа]

Omelа, part of the eyeliner, I get to go under the window (battery) - close it with a flat box, like an exhaust vent that hangs above the stove. The rest is behind the plinth (plinth?) Of the kitchen, since the kitchen furniture itself stands on legs.

Manechka, there is no instruction at hand .. I will find it, I will definitely clarify. From memory I remember that the drain hose should be no longer ... ?? I don't remember exactly how many meters.

[Omel]

Omel, I didn't even think about it. And if it is longer, the power of the drain pump will not be enough?

I quote from the instructions: The maximum length of the drain hose should not exceed 4m. Otherwise it will negatively affect the cleaning process of the machine. The height of the drain should be between 50 and 100 cm above the floor.

[Sonadora]

Sonadora, there is another option - to redo the last drawer, reducing its width by 15 cm.

1.How much will the height of the PMM decrease if you remove the top cover from it?
2. What is the minimum height of built-in PMM, if we consider this option?

I also have a cover 4 cm
the height of my PPM under the worktop is 822 mm. The legs are twisted almost to the limit. But take into account that the height is adjusted by the leveling feet to set the level, so consider whether your floor is even.

PMM indesit dsg-0517 appeared about a month ago. I just can't find the mode and amount of powder for pans with burnt food. I have already soaked it, and in different modes of soap, and with different amounts of powder, there will still be a piece of some kind. Who has the same PMM model, help.

[Sonadora]

Sonadora, there is another option - to redo the last drawer, reducing its width by 15 cm.

It will be difficult to remake it because of the 2 tandembox systems, and we have facades with glass in the middle.Eh, my heart feels that the houses will soon beat me ...

[bksuxa198721
] [/ b, in people, the rim of broth on pots does not wash, and pots of stuck porridge, and you want to wash your burnt pans. Only mechanically it will help, that is, first soak, then rub with an iron washcloth, and then put in the dishwasher, just like that!

I have a Bosch PPM, I used somat and calgonit (both in tablets and in powder)
Sometimes when there are a lot of dishes (and when there is a PPM, then you mess everything up like a pig to the right and left), even though you try to put everything in the PPM, sometimes there is the same order as children from an ice mountain roll on their feet: head-butt, head -pop. I did not limit my accuracy, sometimes I am amazed and frankly amazed how everything is washed out in such a rubble ..
There was never something that was not washed, well, not a single one. The most frequent regimen is 30 minutes and then only with powder, of which half the time is rinsing. Eco mode if, then - 2-20. Anything more than two hours for me is permissible for pills. I won't give up the pill for 1-30.
The secret of a good wash is to use non-left-hand detergents and understand where the water comes from when the dishes are rinsed, where the tablet is put, and where the powder is poured. Sometimes the hostesses put the dishes in such a way that only magic would help wash them. And sometimes the cups on the top shelf in two rows, set in a checkerboard pattern, sparkle like me on New Year's.
Another important secret of a good wash is that when you use a multicooker, an airfryer, a slow cooker, a bread maker, etc., then the PPM looks sadly and understands that she needs to wash only plates for her, well, at best, a frying pan on which they cooked overcooking for one of the above devices. And the hostesses like me boast: oh, everything is always clean with me, I am such a clever and beautiful girl that I bought such a dishwasher. But in this case, the situation is as follows: how can you put the plates wrong ??? And of course, then the MRP will wash everything well.
I am writing sobsno why ... Besides, there are many factors, sometimes neither the PPM model is to blame, nor the hostess herself. And left powder, left rinse. Don't stop at one. Buy two different products at different locations. Having found a stumbling block, the problem will be solved.

I am from the multicooker, too, in my pmm. It's a pity that you can't put a bucket in a bucket from a bread machine. I seem to put the dishes correctly. Remedy - Calgonit with lemon. I will try others, see what happens. I just thought that suddenly someone has the same problem as I have with the same PMM model, they might suggest something. I just read reviews on the internet about the PMM that they wash any, even very dirty dishes.

Recently, there was a good transfer about a combination of detergents and fragrances .. Lemon turned out to be the most harmful there. It is recommended to use fragrance-free detergents, whether for a PPM or a washing machine. The harmful emissions into the air were measured. So when using flavors, they go off scale.

Good afternoon, owners of the miracle technology! I liked the Electrolux 45 cm car, the installation 47700R. But now almost all their installations come with a new flexispray sprinkler. can anyone have? How does it all work in practice? maybe just a marketing ploy? or not to bother and see Boshi? well, this orange curiosity was very attracted)))

I have Electrolux 47020 (45 cm, built-in), I have been using it for 8 months, I am satisfied. I cannot compare the sprinklers better, because it is my first
When I wanted to buy Zanussi, they were not there, and this one is so beautiful inside and with illumination that I immediately agreed, and it immediately seemed to me that inside she was bigger than others.

I, too, bribe this beauty, although everyone says that for this money Bosch is better.

PMM indesit dsg-0517 appeared about a month ago. Who has the same PMM model, help.

My model is PMM Indesit DSG 5737. They are similar. I'm not overjoyed for three months.The only problem is the rims on the pots after boiling soups, but as already mentioned, it is easy to solve and is found in many. I used Somat powder, 2.5 kg package lasted for three months. Now I bought Caigonit, I didn't notice much difference.

I read about Shpilkin's adventures right here and sadly I thought: shouldn't I go and drink 100 grams ... or even 200, or maybe 500, if with a Hairpin. It only remains unclear what to do with me later.

In general, my situation is even worse, the kitchenette is tiny, now there are 3 cabinets + a built-in stove. Total: 60 (sink) +60 (stove) +30 (cabinet) +60 (cabinet).

There is another option (costly) - to put a hob (3-burner) and an oven in a 450mm cabinet. You can also leave the hob 600mm, if you can install this hob (you need to cut the side walls of 2 tables a little), and make the oven 450mm, so you will win 150mm (the game is worth the candle)

Something seems to me. my dishwasher is worse at washing dishes. I use it for a month. Mine mostly every other day. That is, there were not many washings. Mostly on cars and intensity. I washed once on eco, once on a quick program.

Powder - somat, 25 grams per wash. Bosch car full-size 60 cm. On the bottom near the door the car became greasy, the soap filters twice, they were also greasy. I'm not quite clear why? If the dishes are washed from fat, why isn't the machine washed? The dishes I load are not very dirty. If I rinse oily plates under running hot water, and only then put them in the car.

And who is the specialist in dishwashers here? What are the considerations, maybe I put a little powder on 60 cm of the PMM. Yesterday, all the foam on the grater remained so I had to wash all the plates. And the glass is no longer so washed, there are no big stains and stains, but the feeling is that it was not washed well.

I'm going to buy a PMM cleaner, maybe she also needs a bath?

Scorpio
Most likely, the sprinkler blades are not spinning. Check this: take a foamy product, apply to plates, put one down, the other up. Turn on the rinse mode (in more cases it is 15 minutes). Open the door and see if the foam has washed off. If not, the blades are to blame. This is a warranty case.
The car needs a bath, but not in the first month and not by your attitude to the PPM.
Rinse off greasy dishes before putting them in the MRP - how to put it mildly ... VERY much unnecessary exercise.

I remembered something else. If the dishes are clean, but greasy, then this may be an overflow of rinse aid. Use a smaller amount of rinse aid, and you will be fine.
If the plates remain dirty, that's another story.

Scorpio
Most likely, the sprinkler blades are not spinning.

It may also be like this: The nozzles in the rocker are clogged. It happened to me. You also need to try to remove this blade and rinse it, and then check whether water is pouring from all the holes.

[Scorpio]

Scorpio, try washing the dishes with a pill. I also have a car for a month and I washed everything with powder, but somehow I decided to wash it with the pill that came with it. I was very surprised, the dishes are cleaner and without white spots and other things. And the inner plaque was washed off the long-standing cups, but I thought that they were of such a grayish color by nature. Now I decided that I would alternate powder and tablets.

and the other day I got into a conversation with my husband, where to buy a test strip to determine the water hardness. And it turned out that he had a special device. So we have the highest rigidity, according to the book from Electrolux, even prohibitive one can say.

Speaking of stiffness .. I also care about this question. Who knows where hardness testing strips are sold in Kiev?

It is necessary to ask aquarists about these tests.

I heard that they are sold in pet stores, but in large packs .. I will not get there, maybe I’ll just ask for a whole package for me. me?

[Julia V]

Julia V,
Why did I buy somat powder? Because a large mass of people praised him, and scolded the pills.And it is more economical all the same. So I also washed it once with a pill, cat. attached to the PMM. Me too very good. liked. It's strange. Why such conflicting reviews. By the way, the manufacturer also recommends finish-calgonite tablets. But the powder at first, it seems, was also not bad at washing.

And yet, I notice that the powder works as an abrasive for me. It is clearly visible on enamel bowls. We should probably take the gel. They say on the forum that even aluminum is washed with it, and it does not darken.