Dishwasher selection (2)

So I’ll still bargain with them. Just a store in our city, carries equipment to order, it turns out that you do not have to pay for the delivery of equipment and money transfer, and, in principle, you can still bargain.

Owners of the PMM VEKO, tell me, please, do you immediately wash heavily soiled dishes in this machine or you need to pre-soak them. Somewhere I read reviews that the CENTURY washes no worse than Boshevskaya, so I have been suffering with the choice for several months, the price of BOSH bites a lot, but I would not like to "pay twice" as they say.

[Oksanulya]

Oksanulya, and what kind of heavily polluted it? The broth rim, dried cereals and pasta, before being sent to the PM, I can easily "pass" with a hard sponge, otherwise it will not wash, but, they say, the Boshiki cannot cope with this either. I usually collect the dishes all day, clean off large leftovers from the plates, wash them in the evening, do not soak anything, I have never used the "rinsing" function either "before" or "after". Everything is perfectly washed !!!

[Oksanulya]

Oksanulya, and what kind of heavily polluted it? The broth rim, dried cereals and pasta, before being sent to the PM, I can easily "pass" with a hard sponge, otherwise it will not wash, but, they say, the Boshiki cannot cope with this either. I usually collect the dishes all day, clean off large leftovers from the plates, wash them in the evening, do not soak anything, I have never used the "rinsing" function either "before" or "after". Everything is perfectly washed !!!

The relatives have Boshik, he just washes the dried pasta and broth rims. And I'm not going to load plates with large leftovers into the PMM. It's just that now I often leave for a few days, my husband comes home late from work, he is usually too lazy to wash the dishes at night, he has no time in the morning. I end up with a sink full of dirty dishes. It’s not economical for my husband to wash three and a half plates in the PMM every day, he’ll have to save up in a couple of days at least.
Klimola, but does it wash away carbon deposits from the pans, at least over time (several times)? And do baking trays or large pans fit in?

[Oksanulya]

Oksanulya, yes, the "age-old" soot from the frying pans was washed, of course, not from all to the original form, but some of them became unrecognizable. I have a big PM, a poet. 5-6 liter pots are included, I put 2 large baking sheets flat on top of the dishes (well, this is only if there are not many dishes, 1 baking sheet in the lower basket, the second in the upper one), the shelves are removed from the refrigerator. If dirty dishes accumulate several times. days (I can't do that - every day almost to the eyeballs), there is a function of rinsing for 20 minutes without powder, so that it does not "smell" much.
So I took it out with a specialist - the 9-liter pan was removed and there was still room for a couple of small pots.

Oksanulya
I have a built-in eyelid, 45cm, has been working since May 2010. The whole family is happy and contented - no one is standing over the dishes.
There is no difference in working with Bosch and Ariston (mother - Bosch, sister - Ariston). True, Ariston does not always wash away dried food particles, broth crust.

Hello
I would like a full-fledged built-in dishwasher with a socket (without it).
I am considering the following models:
Siemens SN 55M540
AEG F 55002 IM
Bosch SMI 65M65
Electrolux ESI 67070XR

If not, you can criticize

Girls, owners of BEKO DSFS 1530 - please respond !!!
Looking at her, how is she for the first time? Is it worth taking?

People. help with the choice of PMM. The brain is already boiling

The manufacturer is only interested in Bosch. Found a site Zaporozhye. Prices from 3.500 hryvnia to 7000-8000 hryvnia. I look in the range from 3.500 to 4.000 UAH.but I myself think maybe these are outdated models and are so cheap?

Maybe there are owners of not expensive boshes on the forum, please respond. how are they doing? Can you advise something clever?

I don't need special bells and whistles. I think I will wash the dishes by the end of the day, when the full is collected. so you need a full size 60cm for 12 sets.

[Scorpio]

Scorpio I have a BOSCH SMV 69 M 40 EU built-in, 60 cm. I bought it for 7200 UAH 2 weeks ago. Number of programs 6: intensive 70C, auto, economy, gentle, turbospeed, pre-rinse. I used everything except the turbo speed. More often mine on an economical and intensive program. It has 4 functions: intensive zone (I use it), variospeed (I don’t use it yet), hygiene (I don’t use it yet), extra drying (I don’t use it yet). There is a beam on the floor - it's good that I chose with a beam, otherwise I would not know when the machine finished work. Noise level 44 dB. The machine is not yet built-in, it costs separately, it works quite noisy, I hope when we build it it will work much quieter. What I don't like so far is that the dishes remain a little slippery: either the powder is not washed out, or the rinse aid, I have to try to change the detergents, now I have a "finish". And as happy with the dishwasher as an elephant.

[Marinei,]

Marinei,thanks for your feedback! Congratulations on your purchase! How long did you choose? But you have a fancy machine, and I need a cheaper thread, and a separate one!
And that the dishes are slippery is bad, you can get drunk on chemistry. Is it impossible without a rinse aid? Clean water. Do you need it?

[Scorpio]

Scorpio, PMM chose a week somewhere, it was important for me to have an aquastop, an intensive zone, a beam on the floor, not noisy at work (so that you could wash dishes at night). I haven’t tried it without chemistry, I’ll have to try it, I pour in just a little powder and set the rinse aid regulator a couple of values ​​lower than the factory setting, maybe I need to put it even lower.
When you choose a PMM model, look or it is on the official website of Bosch in Ukraine, if such a model is there, then the car is not outdated and certified.

[Marinel,]

Marinel, Or in more detail: what is hitchhiking for, and what an intensive zone is. An intensive wash of 70 g is understandable, but the zone is not. You quickly chose PMM. And I re-read the entire branch and now it's a mess in my head.

Can you link to the site of Bosch?

Aquastop is a valve that automatically shuts off the water supply in the event of a water leak. The intensive zone is located in the lower basket, it is necessary for washing pots and pans, the water spray pressure in this zone is increased, the temperature of the washing water is slightly increased, therefore, heavily soiled dishes will be washed better.

Isn't all PMM an intensive zone below?

I do not know about other manufacturers, Bosch in the description does not have an intensive zone in all models.

[Marinel,]

Marinel, Thanks for the off site bosh! Hmm, which I looked after myself there! SGS 56E42EU. And what does it mean? What if I order in the online store, I will not receive a non-certified product? And what else is interesting, there are a great many Bosch models, but there are not so many of them on the office site, what does this mean?
Members of the forum, does anyone have this model? That is, Bosch SGS 56E42EU? It is interesting to know the reviews.

Girls, owners of BEKO DSFS 1530 - please respond !!!
Looking at her, how is she for the first time? Is it worth taking?

I have BEKO DFN 6610 happy every day for the fourth year. Everything suits, for the godfather BOSH, inside everything is the same with mine, that is, an overpayment for a name (do you need it?)

[Scorpio]

There are a great many Bosch models, but there are not so many of them on the site's site, what does this mean?

Scorpio, this suggests that in Ukraine these models are not certified, and with such a PMM there may be problems with service - it will not be repaired under warranty. The office site contains all PMM models certified in Ukraine, those models that are not on the site are not certified. But I want to say that my car seems to be certified, it is on the site and I bought it in a Bosch and Siemens store, and there were no instructions for it in Ukrainian or Russian, and even in English, although in theory, if the product certified in Ukraine, then he must have instructions in Ukrainian. Thanks to the Internet, I downloaded the instructions from there.

By law, the instruction MUST be in Ukrainian. or rus. language, and if it is not there, this may mean that the PMM is "gray", that is, it was not imported legally, without customs clearance.

[TaTa *]

TaTa *, that's exactly what I thought.So buying through an official store does not give guarantees.

I have Siemens for 1 year .. in all honesty, what kind of Beck's thread could be better
And I also bought an LG washing machine .. we have 10 reviews for it and 5 * ... and I would not give her so much, I expected more from her. Although the lights, buttons, music and works quietly. Fills and drains water only noisy. Squeezes and erases by a C.
Once again I am convinced that * the firm * does not say anything.

Sorry, but LG is about the same level as VEKO, this is not Miele or AEG

And I wanted to buy Electra, she is not Beko and not even LG Mechanical, without lights, but 8 kg and wrung out for sure would be better, I hope she washed better. And this pardon kakany children's panties with a double wash at 95 degrees washed as if I had them under the tap with my hands

[Gypsy]

Gypsy Change the powder! The point is IMHO

[sazalexter,]

sazalexter,
what do you think of the Whirlpool technique? Do you have to deal with it in the course of work?

[sazalexter,]

sazalexter,
what do you think of the Whirlpool technique? Do you have to deal with it in the course of work?

I don't know whirlpool, no one uses it from the environment

[Gypsy]

Gypsy Change the powder! The point is IMHO

The powder is the same, I only compare the washing of different machines, so the testing is fair

By the way, the containers for the powder in LG are tiny, so it will not work to improve the quality of washing by increasing the powder.
This is 7 kilos:

Today I received the PMM. There is no limit to joy !!!
Model Bosch SGS 56E42EU
The instructions are not in Russian as expected. 5 pieces and all in a foreign language.!?
The machine is certified on the off-site of Ukraine, and the instructions for in. languages. In give!

I downloaded it from the Internet (how did we live without it?)
While we are considering, we are studying the instructions. One thing became clear - the hoses for drainage and water supply need to be lengthened.

And with detergents it is not entirely clear. Which ones to use. If I take 3 in 1 tablets, do I need salt and rinse aid? And what detergents to buy? Our water is of medium hardness.

It is better to use everything separately: powder, salt, rinse aid. I use pills if some of these components run out, but it is better not to drive the car without salt, since an ion exchanger is an expensive thing. I like Calgonit finish (salt and rinse) and I usually use Somat for powder, there are also special tablets for silver and crystal. Although everything must be selected to suit your taste and scent. Congratulations on your purchase, let the car serve for long summers!

In theory, there should be a "tablet wash" function, the machine decides what to use.

[Scorpio]

Scorpio, congratulations on your purchase! In any case, salt must be poured, regardless of whether you use tablets or powder. You do not need to add rinse aid if you use tablets all the time. And even if you fill in the rinse aid and put in the tablet, the machine will not use the rinse aid. I use powder, rinse and salt, it's cheaper.

Hello everybody! Today we have installed, connected PMM. I poured salt, powder, rinse aid. A test wash in progress with an intensive program. This is what the instructions say.

From the noise of the water being poured, as much as the heart to the heels, from habit. I just look at the floor. It seems that now water will pour on the floor.
I did not change the hardness and rinse aid indicators, and everything costs 4. Oh, they take me doubts that the dishes are rinsed not with clean water, but with rinse aid. Let's eat up the chemistry from the plates. What do you think about this dear forum users?

So I wanted to take it in the online store. And we went to buy a cooker hood and a cooking surface, we urgently needed to, they almost made a kitchen for us. and the godfather-furniture maker brought us to a store with inexpensive appliances, and I got carried away. And I have already come to terms with the dishwasher, but not yet with the oven. I also strained with money, repairs in the kitchen, a 5m kitchen set, and buy all the appliances

scorpion, at first I was also worried about chemistry, smelled dishes, licked plates, put on additional rinsing, in general I was very worried! Now I am relaxed and have fun! Just set the settings to the parameters that suit you: minimum chemistry + desired result. The rinse aid indicator can be made smaller (provided that it suits the quality of washing), I fill the powder in half of the container, but I do not save on salt. We have very hard water, so the hardness index is the highest and I fall asleep salt often. Good luck in mastering the new assistant!

Julia V
I have Electrolux - I am happy as an elephant, although at first I also felt sorry for the money, because I had to spend a lot of money at the kitchen all at once, but now I don’t regret it.

Damn, I was vegetating and now I washed it for the first time in a short sink, of course put some dishes, I could not resist. The program is 30 minutes, I washed the greasy pot from under the borscht, did not wash the carbon deposits in the pan, of course, but softened it, easily removed with a fingernail.

And today we went for Beko, and brought the Electrolux. It was categorically not set up by Beko, but the seller persuaded him, and the price is the same.

Do not worry, we did the right thing, bought equipment of a higher class and only

I reassure myself so much, but you don't use the programs all the same.

I reassure myself so much, but you don't use the programs all the same.

This is not the main thing, the main thing is the filling, which is only the system for determining the degree of contamination of dishes!

I have a simple model, and probably not. ESL 43020

I have a simple model, and probably not. ESL 43020

Yes, your model does not have the Auto program, but this does not diminish its merits, a very decent machine

By the way, she has two options for setting the salt, mechanical and electronic

Yes, I already saw it, today I ran everything. But I left the values ​​as they were at the factory. The main thing is that soap is good

Today I washed the dishes for the first time. The powder was poured over half of the container. I did not change the hardness and rinse aid values, left the factory settings. Full load, auto program. The display shows 140 minutes, and the program lasts exactly 1.5 hours.

Plates, cups and jars were cleaned perfectly, but pots and bowls were not very good. It seemed to place them correctly, turned them over, as in the picture, in the lower box. Maybe I stuffed a lot of them? And they covered each other?

Or maybe you put in a little detergent, and you had to pour a full container? Teach you how to fold pots and bowls correctly, there is very little space for them in the car, although a full-sized machine is 60 cm.

In pots, the upper border of broth or soup is almost always not washed - this is true for everyone. In general, you have to play with the amount of powder, its brand and different programs.

Sofim, I rubbed the bags with a metal washcloth before loading them into the car, they were the same as the plates in terms of pollution!

And my saucepan from the fat borscht washed well on the short program, but the piece of pasta that stuck to it remained. Glass washes very well. And of course 45 cm is small, if you wash the plates and cups, it’s okay, but pots and bowls take up a lot of space. And for some reason the salt sensor keeps blinking, why?

We need to fit the PMM into such a space W * H * D * 50 * 50 * 48. Found on the Internet only such an Electrolux ESF 2410? How does she work, tell me?

[Scorpio]

Scorpio, I wash my pans on the 70C program or economy (if immediately after eating), washes well. I pour 15-20 grams of powder. On the car, I also did not like the quality of washing.