Dishwasher selection (2)

Girls, and if the salt dries up in a big lump, then it won't be removed and washed out - kapets PMM. In principle, the salt solution is very concentrated, it is worth pumping out very little water and properly closing the hole. Even if it freezes, there will be a place for the ice to expand. But PMM stands indoors, usually in winter the temperature in a closed room does not go down to extremely low temperatures, and the freezing point of a saturated saline solution will be close to -10 degrees.

Thank you! And with a pump - is it with a pump? And how to remove water from the salt container?

can be tilted, put on the lid - water will pour out of the salt reservoir

In principle, you can do nothing special at all, just leave the door ajar and that's it. If there is a risk that the temperature will drop below -10, you can unscrew the salt compartment lid a couple of turns. And that's all. This is the opinion of specialists with IHBT, with which I completely agree.

Of course, I'm sorry, but you can try to remove the water from the tank with a large enema.

Exactly!
Lesik, but completely removing the water from the salt tank will not work, and it is not necessary, as you correctly noted.
Jeffrey, it all depends on how well the cottage is insulated. And if the temperature drops below -10C .....

I have not been in this thread yet. Everything as usual. Maybe we'll go for a typewriter tomorrow, but I have no idea what to choose. I read what you said here, but for now I will ask, I need a depth of 45 and a width of 60, are there any such?

[artisan]

I have not been in this thread yet. Everything as usual. Maybe we'll go for a typewriter tomorrow, but I have no idea what to choose. I read what you said here, but for now I will ask, I need a depth of 45 and a width of 60, are there any such?

artisan
I have not met such ones at all, the depth of all dishwashers varies from 60 to 62 cm.
Maybe, on the contrary, the depth is 60, and the width is 45?

I have not been in this thread yet. Everything as usual. Maybe we'll go for a typewriter tomorrow, but I have no idea what to choose. I read what you said here, but for now I will ask, I need a depth of 45 and a width of 60, are there any such?

with such parameters, there are only low models (50-60 cm) for a small number of sets

Körting is a company bought by Gorenje, but selling under its own brand.
Maybe look at the reviews on Gorenje?

At the end of September, our Electrolux died ingloriously, having worked for less than 3 years, and even then not so hot. Reacted to voltage drops, if the voltage after turning on the heating element, "sagging", became lower than 205-207 V, stopped ... And at one quite unpleasant moment, he simply refused to work. The master eventually delivered a verdict: replacing the heating element, "brains" and something else, the repair, along with the cost of spare parts, would have cost us 10 sput or more. We thought and thought, added "half that" to the estimated amount of repairs and bought Bosch. By function - primitive: no display (the broken Electrolux also did not have it, so I’m no stranger to it), delayed start (timer), from programs - rinsing, quick wash (35 *), ECO (50 *), normal wash (65 *). At the first wash, I turned on the multimeter to measure the voltage in the network - it was 219-221 V. During the washing process, the voltage was different, the minimum was 204 V, at which the old PMM stopped. BOSCH SOAP! I tried to wash on all programs - it works. He washes well, only I haven't quite adapted yet, his baskets are different, and there is no automatism, what kind of dishes to put where. But these are such trifles ...I was surprised that at 35 degrees I washed freshly soiled, but rather dirty dishes, and washed them well. And I happily threw into the PMM all the plastic parts from thermoses that I had washed with my hands before.

To be honest, I hardly understand why I made this opus. I probably wanted to say how happy I am that I am a woman again, and not a dishwasher.

And the word "Electrolux" in our family is now abusive.

[Lydia]

Lydia It's good that everything worked out so well. And all firms have punctures. And Bosch. Electrolux has been washing me since December 2004 at a network voltage of 167-230 volts. Ugh, there was only one "breakdown". If I turned to the service somewhere 7 thousand it would cost. And so a couple of hours of work, and you're done

And all firms have punctures And Bosch

Yes, I am a consonant! And my happiness is not because the PMM is from Bosch, but because the machine is working. It's wildly difficult to go back to hand washing dishes. And this time my husband did not ask me why I need PMM.

Since February of this year, I have an Indesit 0517 machine for 10 sets. 45 cm. Freestanding (remove stars). I chose from economical options and did not regret it. If washing machines are made in Russia, then only imported dishwashers. I am very satisfied. The volume is just right. We live together with our son. But I am at home all the time and, accordingly, cook and eat at home. And the son comes home from school hungry. At first, PM and I rubbed ourselves together. She didn't like the pills. I washed them sometimes well, sometimes not very well. And when we switched to salt + powder + rinse aid, moreover from different companies, I picked up the right amount of rinse aid and everything is fine now.
Dishes must be cleaned of food very well. I soak it in the sink, sometimes I put it on a lock in the PM (there is such a program) and leave it closed. After dinner I add the dirty dishes and mine. Water is consumed very economically (there are meters). And big savings on hot water, which is expensive. I don’t know about electricity, but I didn’t notice a big difference.
Among the shortcomings: the upper basket cannot be removed, the buttons are not touch-sensitive, they are very easy to press (only with clean, dry hands). Filled the buttons with something. We got stuck and stopped pressing. I had to call the master, and the case is not guaranteed. But this is her own fault. Now I am shaking over the bread maker so as not to spoil the buttons.

Among the disadvantages: the upper basket cannot be removed,

What is it like? Not at all removed? The description says to adjust the height of the basket ... how can this be done without removing the basket?

What is it like? Not at all removed? The description says to adjust the height of the basket ... how can this be done without removing the basket?

there the latches are so ingenious ... as a rule ...
I had to ask the master to show how they are filmed ...

Dishes must be cleaned of food very well. I soak it in the sink, sometimes I put it on a lock in the PM (there is such a program) and leave it closed.

This is why I don’t understand. I ate if there were no pieces on the plates, (and we don’t have them by definition, we don’t keep pigs) left in the car and fsio. Dishes were added, even in a day, I filled up the powder and went!

lega
The height of the basket is adjustable without removing, in all models that I have seen. You can probably remove it, but there remains a hole for supplying water to the upper rocker arm, then water will gush out of it

sazalexter
I also soak and clean (I'm not lazy), because after that I put on a half-hour program with a small amount of powder. If you put on the sink for 3-4 hours and even with a tablet, then it will wash the dried dishes

This is why I don’t understand. I ate if there were no pieces on the plates, (and we don’t have them by definition, we don’t keep pigs) left in the car and fsio. Dishes were added, even in a day, I filled up the powder and went!

I think that I still have a budgetary PM. And the remnants of cottage cheese on the edge of the plate or mashed potatoes, porridge, etc., if you do not soak, do not peel, but leave to dry until evening, it will not wash. If you wash it immediately, it will wash it off, but not on a quick wash, but on the main one. I clean with a paper towel.

lega
The height of the basket is adjustable without removing, in all models that I have seen. You can probably remove it, but there remains a hole for supplying water to the upper rocker arm, then water will gush out of it

I only saw my PMM up close. For me, the height is adjusted simply by rearranging the basket on another pair of rollers. And the water enters the rocker either through the top or through the bottom hole. There are two of them on the back of the basket (in my model).

Of course, I don’t put plates with large pieces in the PMM, but I don’t rinse them with my hands either. I put the rinsing mode in the PMM, and then add the dishes as they accumulate.

Yes, this is also rearranged for me, but if you completely remove it ... then the water from this hole will hit the door

Yes, this is also rearranged for me, but if you completely remove it ... then the water from this hole will hit the door

If completely removed, then a special nozzle is placed on this hole. So the instructions for washing baking sheets are recommended.

If completely removed, then a special nozzle is placed on this hole. So the instructions for washing baking sheets are recommended.

which model is it?

which model is it?

In the already old, without any bells and whistles in the form of rays, Kuppersbusch.

In the already old, without any bells and whistles in the form of rays, Kuppersbusch.

something so old is better than some new one!
there was no such nozzle in my Kaiser.

Does your Kuppersbusche dryer heat up the air a lot?

I don't have a separate dryer ... and in general ... the topic is not at all the same ..

I don't have a separate dryer ... and in general ... the topic is not at all the same ..

it can always be fixed

If completely removed, then a special nozzle is placed on this hole. So the instructions for washing baking sheets are recommended.

This is a great option! (I don’t have one)

Hello. Can anyone share the experience of using Bosch SPV 69T00RU. The instructions indicate that the regeneration electronics are installed and the machine itself determines how much salt to use to soften the water. There is also a device where to put salt. Tell me, in this case, is it necessary to put a polyphosphate filter at the entrance, for example, Geyser 1PF with polyphosphate, or not, and everything is already provided for in the machine?

Hello. Someone can share the experience of using Bosch SPV 69T00RU. The instructions indicate that the regeneration electronics are installed and the machine itself determines how much salt to use to soften the water. There is also a device where to put salt. Tell me, in this case, is it necessary to put a polyphosphate filter at the entrance, for example, Geyser 1PF with polyphosphate, or not, and everything is already provided for in the machine?

If the tap water is not abnormally hard, then nothing needs to be installed at the inlet. "Regeneration electronics" in Boch is rather primitive and should not be relied on too much.

Hello girls and boys! What a wonderful forum after all! With his help, I have already acquired a slow cooker, a bread maker, and now I'm looking closely at the PMM, please advise, we are two adults and a child 5 years old, my husband is constantly on the road. What kind of PMM with a width of 45 or 60, a place that is where to put it, but is there any sense in a larger width? Dishes can be different ...

What kind of PMM with a width of 45 or 60, a place that is where to put it, but is there any sense in a larger width? Dishes can be different ...

if you decide on 60, then take a closer look at the "Half Load" function, it may come in handy.

[NatalochkaWW]

NatalochkaWW,
since there is room, it is better to take a full-size one with a half-load function. The washing arm moves in a circle, so the dishes are better washed in a square section than in a rectangular one.

[NatalochkaWW]

NatalochkaWW, You are a happy person, since you have a place in the kitchen!
Therefore, take a full-sized one, 60 cm, most of them want 60 cm, but cannot find a place ...))

Natalochka, there are four of us in the family (two children, my husband is also rarely at home, and I do not cook a lot) bought a 45 cm built-in PM - it did not fit by 60 cm, we are completely satisfied, at first I did not place all the dishes that I would like for wash it once, then with the experience of "sticking in" the dishes and the quality of the sink, it began to interfere more. I turn it on mostly once a day. Sometimes two.
In a 60cm PM, it is definitely more convenient to place pots and oversized dishes (and generally fit more), according to the experience of using our family's PM, it would be included every two days for sure. Only I would have to buy some dishes. One is in the sink, the other is used! If I had the opportunity, I would buy 60 cm.
My friends also have two children, others have three, and the PM is generally small "for two sets.) And they are very happy, the girls say that they have adapted and everything is cool.

We have two adults and a child. PMM 45cm, I crawl 1-2 times a day. I use the "half load" program a lot. I accumulate dishes for half a day as much as possible. Basically, that's enough for me.

[Omelochka]

We have two adults and a child. PMM 45cm, I crawl 1-2 times a day. I often use the "half load" program. I accumulate dishes for half a day as much as possible. Basically, that's enough for me.

Omelochka - What model do you have? And how many years without breakdowns?
And then I already thought about taking Boshik, but they do not have half the load in 45s ...

[Gaby]

Gaby, I have a Veko DFS 2531. I don't remember when I bought it. Probably 1.5-2 years.

Omelushka, but I didn’t seem to ask ..., I have 45 cm. Bosch by the way (I’m so to the point)

I would take 60 to wash the antipyas - this is such a KAAAAF. .. probably . I have 45 and a tabletop oven and mine will not fit or intermeddle, but with jambs. and then in the PMM you can not only wash dishes, all sorts of vases, glass shelves from the refrigerator, but you never know what ...

So you need to look for a nozzle for washing trays, they are sold separately. Then you take out the upper basket, screw the nozzle onto the hole and go ahead with songs to wash the baking sheets and any filters from the hood .. Give your brand of PMM, happy to rustle ...

T. Give the brand of your PMM, happy to rustle ...

MORA (Slovenia) instantly at sea

I would take 60 to wash the antipyas - this is such a KAAAAF. ..

I have two partitions on the bottom shelf removed and a baking sheet from a standard oven fits!

Mmmmm, I somehow did not think about baking trays, and the shelves of refrigerators .... So definitely 60 .. Thank you all !!!

since the baking sheets and shelves are not every time, but the size is 60, it is convenient when there is a half load function.

Everything is exhausted! The agony of choice lasted as much as a day. The three-year battle over who washes the dishes ended when looking at the spam from the mailbox. One of the city's chains offered to take BEKO for 7000 rubles. My attack of device addiction and my husband's unwillingness to wash the dishes were summed up. Look ate on ad, on each other. We need a dishwasher! Let's go look. Alas, these cars have already fled except for one well, sooo plowed copy. There are only boshi nearby, but the price tag ... And we see the target! We ran through retail chains. As a result, we found Whirlpol ADP 450 for very reasonable funds - less than 9000 rubles. Just hooked up. She put the dishes to swim. I sit worried about what will happen. Girls, and someone has such a machine, but you never know what advice will be needed?

Help with the choice of PMM. I choose between Bosch 69t60 and Bosch 69m40. Bosch 69t60 liked the EmotionLight interior lighting, otherwise the cars are practically the same. So I think how much backlighting is needed in PMM, is it worth overpaying for it?

The baskets slide out well, everything is visible. Why backlight? Show off.

[marinel]

marinel, the backlight in the PMM is not the most important function, many do without it perfectly, personally I have Bosch without backlight

I agree that the backlight is unnecessary. The main thing is that you can use both powder and tablets. And Bosch washes dishes very well! My first machine has been working for 10 years !!!

And I disagree, the backlight is very convenient.Of course you can do it. But backlit is better. I have an electrolux, every time I open I am happy.

Girls, boys !!!!! HELP!!!!! In my dishwasher, for some reason, the tablet stopped dissolving, when I pour the powder, it also does not rinse out of the compartment, but remains pressed? What happened to her? Bosch dishwasher, works for 1.5 years.

Marusya

Electrolux ESL 47020, built-in 45cm
Catwoman

How does it not dissolve? Doesn't fall out of the compartment?

It looks like the compartment was wet and the tablet stuck to it and fell off late, or the lid did not open at all (well, or the temperature just opened at the end).
I first pour the powder into a dry machine (or a tablet in the bed) and then I start to lay the dishes, then the water does not drip and does not wet the compartment.