Dishwasher selection (2)

Congratulations on your purchase! I, too, did not have any test strips with Bosch. I just poured salt according to the instructions and that's it. I did not change any settings. And when you see how radiant your dishes have become, the opinion of your friends will become completely unimportant! (Let them also talk about energy consumption ...) I'm not talking about the time that will be left for the kids!

Yes, I don't care about the opinions of others either. It's just that you will tell us what, even about the purchase of children's slippers, they will ask where, how much it costs, etc. and here it is stupid SHOCK, and no questions. That's exactly the time for the children I need, when they are of this age, you have to teach, develop, and you stand at least 40 minutes. a day at the sink. And how much is it per year?))

and you stand at least 40 minutes. a day at the sink. And how much is it a year?

That's it!!!!

Girls .. I have a VEKO 5834. Who has such a machine or analogs ... in which brochure is it written about the buttons on the panel? I downloaded the instruction in Russian from the Internet .. but there is nothing about modes and buttons. Intuitively, I guess .. but I would like to know more ...
I will be especially grateful for the scan of such a brochure ..

I chose between 45 and 60. 45 I would have compactly stood in the corner, and because of the 60s the table was almost in the corridor. But!!!! Having loaded for the first time, I and a 2-year-old child had breakfast and lunch, and did not regret taking it for 60. I understood the phrase "Play Tetris" while loading the dishes :) The question is if there is a half-load function, it will only wash the lower basket ?

The question is, if there is a half load function, does it mean that it will only wash the lower basket?

No, this means that the time for washing dishes will decrease, and, accordingly, the consumption of water and electricity.

No, this means that the time for washing dishes will decrease, and, accordingly, the consumption of water and electricity.

And the subscribers said to me that they would only wash the bottom, I thought something strange, how then can knives and forks be washed with such a load, because for them there is a separate "hinged shelf" at the top.

how then can knives and forks be washed with such a load, because for them there is a separate "hinged shelf" at the top.

Marina, keep in mind that it is not advisable to wash kitchen knives in the PMM - they will quickly become dull. There are as many table knives as you want in the PMM, and kitchen knives only with handles.

Thanks for the advice, in general, I burned the dishes, licked them, only it tasted like "sweetish". What is better to put on a rinse for 45 minutes?

My half-load Bekoshka skips the pre-wash. That is, everything that has been washed off the dishes heats up and chases along with the powder in a circle. So I tried it and won't save 30 minutes anymore.

My half-load Bekoshka skips the pre-wash. That is, everything that has been washed off the dishes heats up and chases along with the powder in a circle. So I tried it and won't save 30 minutes anymore.

Mash wanted to ask the owners of Bekoshek all the time, but here you were "caught" ...
Does the function of 1/2 boot work for you on all programs? If not all, then how many of the available ones?

lega
My knives at PMM regularly, I didn't notice that I would have to sharpen more often

Mash wanted to ask the owners of Bekoshek all the time, but here you were "caught" ...
Does the function of 1/2 boot work for you on all programs? If not all, then how many of the available ones?

I'm not Masha, but I can say it in my own way))). Of the 8 programs, only 2: intensive (14 minutes decrease in time) and activ wash (18 minutes). Only I never use it

lega
My knives at PMM regularly, I didn't notice that I would have to sharpen more often

TaTa, I can't dissuade you. And I can't give an evidence base why you can't wash kitchen knives in PMM, but I've read about it many times. There are many different subtleties - both chemistry and physics.

TaTa, I can't dissuade you. And I can't give an evidence base why you can't wash kitchen knives in PMM, but I've read about it many times. There are many different subtleties - both chemistry and physics.

I also never wash kitchen knives in the PMM. I always knew that it was impossible.

[water + oxygen + salts]

Knives are made of special hard metal alloys under the influence of temperatures up to +1000 degrees. At first, it may seem that hot water cannot affect the sharpness of the knife, because it cannot reach a temperature of 1000 C in any way.

But when metal is acted upon water + oxygen + salts - arises corrosion of metal.
Salts are found in any water, and even more so in tap water.
And if water containing salts is capable of dissolving metal, then hot water just speeds up this process.
The reaction of this process has the fastest effect on the thin part of the knife, that is, on the tip.
And the hotter the water, the faster the reaction proceeds, leading to the bluntness of the knife edge.

Therefore it is better wash your knives with cold waterto use less sharpening!

TaTa, I can't dissuade you. And I can't give an evidence base why you can't wash kitchen knives in PMM, but I've read about it many times. There are many different subtleties - both chemistry and physics.

After three knives fell apart from the sink in the PMM - I now wash with my hands.

Especially thin blades that bend easily - the edge is painted just to smithereens from hot water in the PMM.

julifera, or maybe you know why before sharpening a knife you need to hold it in salt water? It has always been a mystery to me, but it works ...

[just wet]

julifera, or maybe you know why, before sharpening a knife, you need to hold it in salt water? It has always been a mystery to me, but it works ...

I have never come across anything about salt water on professional forums, but just wet - recommend everywhere.

Just soak or soak in salt water - the result is for some reason different, so I'm wondering - why?

julifera

Knives are made of alloy steel, resistant to corrosion in the atmosphere and aggressive environments. Yes, in PMM steel is chemically exposed. influence, but its influence is so small (if the steel is good) that it can be neglected
In general, I'm surprised how seriously some people approach sharpening a knife, they are going to cut a puffer fish or something
Zipper zipper on a sharpener and razor sharp. And I have been using my own for a long time, and the most beloved ones since Soviet times, made to order at the factory.

[made of high hardness steel]

In general, I'm surprised how seriously some people approach sharpening a knife, they are going to cut a puffer fish

A little bit wrong - I treat knives with LOVE, not sharpening seriously

Zipper zipper on a sharpener and razor sharp. And I have been using my own for a long time, and the most beloved ones since Soviet times, made to order at the factory.

I'm glad that you like whack-whack - the main thing is that you are happy and comfortable

But personally, I don't like to sharpen knives, although I know a lot about sharpening (purely out of sports interest)
Therefore, I got myself relatively expensive knives - those that do not dull for a very long time,
i.e made of high hardness steelbut they are afraid of hot water.
But I rarely sharpen them.

[mild steel]

By the way - to my cheap, always half-dull beautiful knives with mild steel nothing is done in the PMM - the edge is intact, so I continue to wash them in the PMM, but I left them forever sharpening (you can get stuck) - I use only for butter and pâté

Knives are made of alloy steel, resistant to corrosion in the atmosphere and aggressive environments. Yes, in PMM steel is chemically exposed. influence, but its influence is so small (if the steel is good) that it can be neglected

If I had not seen with my own eyes what the PMM does with the edge of the knife, I would be silent in a rag
It all depends on the hardness, but steel for knives has different hardness, obviously you have mild steel knives.

ABOUT! So we can say that it is not recommended to wash especially valuable knives in the PMM, if you have them
And ordinary knives are quite

Mash wanted to ask the owners of Bekoshek all the time, but here you were "caught" ...
Does the function of 1/2 boot work for you on all programs? If not all, then how many of the available ones?

I went and poked it: on all programs except the first one (15-minute rinsing). Even on a 30-minute program, it shows 28 minutes at half load.

In PPM Bosch 60 cm my third day. After washing at 70 degrees, a slightly salty taste remained, reduced salt, everything became normal. At half load, the soap residue remains on the dishes until they are discarded. The auto program is doing well. I put Soviet crystal and pots on EKO, everything is fine, the crystal was washed, so my mother began to assert that the remaining glass that did not go into the dishwasher was generally unwashed, I had to get two more glasses to show the difference :) I want to see how it will wash for half a tablet.

[Marina2013]

Marina2013, and which model did you choose? I now also choose among the Boches

I have BOSH SMS 40L02 RU. I wanted to sign the model as an avatar but did not understand something. I chose between him and a simpler model without speeding up time and washing by 70 degrees. The difference in price is 3 thousand rubles, but my Boshik from the showcase had a small dent, they made another discount and the difference turned out to be 1.5 thousand rubles. Like a trifle but nice :) Everyone writes that 70 degrees is not needed, in principle I agree, because of the baby bottles I looked at 70 degrees, but also scalds and disinfects at 65 baby bytyls. I washed everything well for half a tablet. I can't get used to it, I put the dishes in the sink on the automatic machine and try to wash everything :)

[Marina2013]

Marina2013, I see, thanks. I choose from the fully recessed ones.
Today I found one article with the decoding of the PMM marking and, it seems, made my choice - BOSCH SMV 69 N 20 EU. It remains to find where to buy more profitable.
The article is here: 🔗

Girls .. I have a VEKO 5834. Who has such a machine or analogs ... in which brochure is it written about the buttons on the panel? I downloaded the instruction in Russian from the Internet .. but there is nothing about modes and buttons. Intuitively, I guess .. but I would like to know more ...
I will be especially grateful for the scan of such a brochure ..

I will repeat my request !!!!

[Marina2013]

Marina2013, I see, thanks. I choose from the fully recessed ones.
Today I found one article with the decoding of the PMM marking and, it seems, made my choice - BOSCH SMV 69 N 20 EU. It remains to find where to buy more profitable.
The article is here: 🔗

I also look after myself a Bosch fully rebuildable. Thanks for the link to the article, it's so hard to understand the models.

[makabusha]

I will repeat my request !!!!

makabusha is this what you are looking for?


And here in more detail 🔗

[makabusha]

makabusha is this what you are looking for?
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And here in more detail 🔗

Exactly this!!! though my 5834 has slightly different programs ... but at least I will catch the basic management principle ..)) Thank you !!

[Marina2013]

Marina2013, I see, thanks. I choose from the fully recessed ones.
Today I found one article with the decoding of the PMM marking and, it seems, made my choice - BOSCH SMV 69 N 20 EU. It remains to find where to buy more profitable.
The article is here: 🔗

good day
Lydia, I also stopped at this model (Bosch SMV69n20), ordered, now wait a week for sure. You have not bought yet, otherwise there are practically no reviews for this model, but really want to know your opinion about it?

Happy owners of PMM really need your help in choosing, I need a fully built-in PMM width 60 cm. Up to 3000 UAH. Temka has not yet re-read everything, stopped at 60 pages, and has not yet picked up anything in online stores.

[Yulia_red]

good day.
Lydia, I also stopped at this model (Bosch SMV69n20), ordered, now wait a week for sure. You have not bought yet, otherwise there are practically no reviews for this model, but really want to know your opinion about it?

Lena, in the end we bought not this one, we counted, decided that now it is dear to us. Took BOSCH SMV 40 E 60 EU, not connected yet.

Yulia_red, go to the Rosette, filter the choice of dishwashers by the parameters you need, and you will have an available assortment with user reviews.

The outlet is the most expensive store, you need to filter on

Thanks for the answers, the outlet is really more expensive. Of course, it's hard to find a PMM when the budget is limited to UAH 3000.

And what? They offer Zanussi, I would take ...

Thanks for the answers, the outlet is really more expensive. Of course, it's hard to find a PMM when the budget is limited to UAH 3000.

I bought all my equipment like this: on the Rosette I chose a model based on reviews, parameters, etc., there is the largest selection of equipment. And then she put the one she liked in a search engine and chose a store where she could buy it cheaper. As a result, I bought what I liked for 500-600 UAH cheaper. The outlet is really the most expensive store, it is convenient to use it only as a reference, but buy there ...

The outlet is really the most expensive store, it is convenient to use it only as a reference, but buy there ...

Well, yes, that's what I meant

And what? They offer Zanussi, I would take ...

I have Zanussi. I have it separately. It seems to cope, but it makes a decent noise when washing. I usually turn it on at night so as not to hear.

Thanks for the answers, the outlet is really more expensive. Of course, it's hard to find a PMM when the budget is limited to UAH 3000.

Monitor shopping promotions. My children have recently taken Bosch in Foxtrot for the action. The price is 3000, well, 29 ??? something there. True 45cm. Then I saw a similar one in the Technomarket. Take a closer look at the shops. And it is convenient to track promotions by mailings from the site ... Well, I wanted to tell you, but in the box there is not a single letter from them. Okay, if backgammon doesn't tell you how the mailing will arrive, I'll let you know.

... Just remove the stars Select your city on the site. Good luck to you.

Thank you all for your help in choosing a PMM, I looked in Internet stores up to UAH 3000. there is either Zanussi or Indesit, and here they mainly praise Beko and Boshi, so I was upset, but now I will choose from what is. In our stores, the selection is small, only 4 pieces. worth it.

If you think that we have dozens of them, then no

Thank you all for your help in choosing a PMM, I looked in Internet stores up to UAH 3000. there is either Zanussi or Indesite, and here they mainly praise Beko and Boshi,

Right here 🔗

• = 431.58-3196.85 look, very convenient site, you can compare prices in all stores. I really like the Hotpoint-Ariston technique, firstly, the assembly is in Italy, not China, and the quality is very good.

Thank you all for your help in choosing a PMM, I looked in Internet stores up to UAH 3000. there is either Zanussi or Indesit, and here they mainly praise Beko and Boshi, so I was upset, but now I will choose from what is. In our stores, the selection is small, only 4 pieces. worth it.

What's wrong with Indesite? Only in the lower basket the holders cannot be lowered. And so it is quite normal PMM. Not a convenient basket for forks, spoons (large and high handle) - bought for 20 rubles. a small plastic one and mine in it. I already wrote about my PMM, but I used to use unsuccessful detergents before. Now I have no problems with her. I picked up an excellent product with which everything is washed to a mirror shine. No plaque. So I am for reasonable economy.

I already wrote about my PMM, but I used to use unsuccessful detergents before. Now I have no problems with her. I picked up an excellent product with which everything is washed to a mirror shine. No plaque. So I am for reasonable economy.

Which remedy suits you?

Which remedy suits you?

Clean & Fresh dishwasher tablets. On the advice of one of our members of the forum, thanks a lot to her, unfortunately I don't remember her, I only remember the advice, I divide the pill in half. My whole only if something sooo greasy needs to be washed. But this is extremely rare. Salt is always filled in, we have very hard water. I'm more comfortable with you.

Indesite equipment is not very reliable, as is the case with Ariston (this is one company)
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Assembly mainly Poland
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