Dishwasher selection (2)

You are confused yourself, you confuse everyone and still get money for nothing. But the owner is a master. And you don't have to yell in bold, pliz.

Well, I'll call the VODOKANAL ... Light, stop calling everyone morons ...
And why am I wasting money in vain ... something I don’t delve into ...

And yet .. for information .... our service technicians told me a lot of things here too .. but in fact, from the very beginning, NOBODY said ANYTHING

A normal specialist will not say this, this is about resin regeneration. I mean the court, you said about it that you have already spent almost one more pmm.

Anh, at one time I closely communicated with the water utility, bringing water into the house and did not meet something of such erudition in mmol and mg from them, but communicated with the authorities, not with locksmiths. Rather, for them, these were obscene words and they were ashamed to pronounce them in front of a lady, probably, but I could not achieve anything besides numbers, and starting to find out in what dimensions they were telling me, I realized that it was like stars for them, they didn’t take so much steam.

A normal specialist will not say this, this is about resin regeneration. I mean the court, you said about it that you have already spent almost one more pmm.

I don’t even bother myself ... in any case, my PMM will be faulty .. this time ...
just called the water utility ... unit of measure mmol / l...
For example ... scale on the teapot after the "lemon" appears in 3-5 days .... so I have no doubt that our water is VERY hard ...

PySy ... Maybe someone else can give the phone number of the water utility so that you personally convinced in the called units ... I asked three times what they call the numbers and explained what it was for ...

That's it, I pass, my mosch is already boiling from mmol, mg and degrees of hardness.

Shl. I even got into "GOST R 52029-2003 Water. The unit of hardness" is written there - how and where to translate.
And all the confusion is that your water utility gave out information in some unknown units, although since 2003 the standard for the unit of measurement of stiffness and in it all the data is issued.

But it's easier for them to say che nitto, like blurt out.

[* Anyuta *]

* Anyuta * there were problems with the Internet. On salt = 4 everything is NORMAL! put 30 minutes and not a second more!

Today I got to the point where I washed the cucumbers, tomatoes and apples in the PMM. Interestingly, only I was so lazy? But it turned out that the sink was busy, then I put the twigs in the lower basket, put the oven grate in it and washed everything in the first program (simple Rinse). Result

Better to take Beko.

Brought worth it. Beko DIN 5834. I'm happy
But when we will connect, I don't even know - the kitchen is torn apart, but the main thing is that the PM is already at home

Girls and boys, I ask the audience for help!
Yesterday we installed a PMM (Siemens SR64M001RU), I can not find the settings for the water hardness and the amount of rinse aid. The instructions say press and hold the "A" button, but I don't have one. It seems to me that this button is present in full-size cars, but I have a narrow fit. Maybe you need to press which combination of buttons?
Yesterday and today I already used the machine, it works! While with the factory settings, the dishes are a little "soapy" (somewhere on the forum I already read that the amount of rinse aid should be reduced).

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The instructions say press and hold the "A" button, but I don't have one. It seems to me that this button is present in full-size cars, but I have a narrow fit. Maybe you need to press which combination of buttons?

Look for this button on the very first page of the instruction, there is a picture of the buttons. Above are signed numbers, below are letters. There are Letters A, B, C. If you look, then from the screen to the left they go in a row C, B, A

Galina, the instructions show six buttons to the left of the display, I only have four. I tried to hold this very fourth button - the menu is not called.

Beko DIN 5834. I'm happy

Finally, my husband got to the typewriter, were a little puzzled - it turned out that there was only one connection to hot water at the entrance (and if the hot water was gone? In the sense that there is but cold water)) cold. Or does it make no difference to her - will it warm itself?

PMM should be connected ONLY to cold water!

Good day. For me, the choice was obvious - I read the reviews, compared prices and quality and decided that BEKO would be quite suitable for the role of the first PMM - cheap and cheerful. We took a narrow, fully built-in, model DIS 5831. A bunch of programs, an adjustable upper basket, aquastop, 1/2 load on both levels ... what else is needed for a young family of 2 people and one little man Now, if only furniture makers who they made a kitchen for us (to tear off their hands and insert them where such hands belong) did not miss 8mm and the machine entered the section intended for it ... then everything would be fine. It's good that this is the outermost section and the problem was solved by removing the sidewall, instead of which a 6mm wall panel will be installed. The typewriter is only a week old, so now the most interesting period is the period of setting and selecting detergents

[mihbah]

mihbah For Peter, salt to a minimum, but do not turn off, rinse aid 1-2, powder 1 / 2-3 / 4 of the powder container. Any powder, all from "one barrel" I do not advise tablets, not economical.

And I would buy a powder with active oxygen, because other packages stink with bleach and chemicals -693958119.html]
Rewritten from packaging, composition: Nichtionische Tenside, Polycarboxylate, Bleichmittel auf Sauerstoffbasis (Percarbonat), Phosphate Enthält Enzyme (Protease, Amylase). Weitere Inhaltsstoff: Silikate, Carbonate.
Translation: Non-ionic surfactants, polycarboxylates, oxygen-based bleach (percarbonate), phosphates, contains enzymes (protease, amylase). Other Ingredients: Silicates, Carbonates.

IMHO, here the detergent components are phosphates and enzymes, and it seems like the latter cannot be mixed with chlorine, which will reduce their washing ability.

[mihbah]

mihbah For Peter, salt to a minimum, but do not turn off, rinse aid 1-2, powder 1 / 2-3 / 4 of the powder container. Any powder, all from "one barrel" I do not advise tablets, not economical.

Thank you, that's how it worked out for me. Only the rinse between 2 and 3 walks, I just can't decide ... and the powder (Finnish x-tra from Prisma) is sometimes too much (up to 15ml). Everything is fine with glass, but with metal (pots, ladles, cooking spoons) everything is not so smooth yet - "points with a rim" take place, not always and not everywhere, but they do occur. There is also a problem with glass lids - sometimes (well, sometimes - only once I pulled out a perfectly cleaned lid) some kind of turbidity with gaps in purity

Everything is fine with glass, but with metal (pots, ladles, cooking spoons) not everything is so smooth yet - "points with a rim" take place, not always and not everywhere, but they do occur. There is also a problem with glass lids - sometimes (well, sometimes - only once I pulled out a perfectly cleaned lid) some kind of turbidity with gaps in purity

On pots, after boiling the broth, a protein dried rim remains on the walls and spots on the bottom. This PMM washes badly. Glass lids are also not well washed from protein deposits. You have to come to terms with this. There are no washcloths in the PMM, but dishes are well degreased. For perfect cleanliness, after the PMM, it is enough to simply manually walk the washcloth over the pan - a matter of minutes. Even with plastic in the PMM, there is no fountain - it doesn't dry well, and even these jars are always turned over, you need to press down with heavy dishes.

Girls, dear, what can you say about the Spanish assembly Bosch SPV 63M00RU? can you trust her?

I decided to buy a 45cm dishwasher for my son as a gift. Who is in the subject today for reliable and real brands - help with a choice. The old Bosch piccolo (for 4 sets) worked without a single breakdown for 15 years, if not more. They decided to rearrange it (forcibly, because she insists on washing dishes with her hands !!!) 85-year-old grandmother, and my son - maybe the size, he has space. But in the abundance of current brands I am simply lost, I have not monitored this topic for a long time.I would like to build decent countries, no special bells and whistles are needed.

[Anna1957]

Anna1957 The circle of manufacturers has not changed Bosch-Siemens, AEG-Electrolux-Zanussi. Maybe Beko

[Anna1957]

Anna1957 The circle of manufacturers has not changed Bosch-Siemens, AEG-Electrolux-Zanussi. Maybe Beko

About Beko here just recently there were negative reviews with showdowns in court. Do they collect Bosch and Zanussi from us? What about Ardo-Kandy?

Bosch is collected mainly in China, AEG-Electrolux Italy, Beko Turkey, yes it was infa that Russia Ardo will not say how lucky, I do not advise Kandy. Even more complaints Ariston and Indezhut

AEG-Electrolux PMM was not produced in Russia, there was a plant near St. Petersburg that was chilling, but it was closed, it is not profitable now, under the Electrolux label, the Aleksandrovsky plant VESTEL is spanking them, and even then only budget models.

Bosch is collected mainly in China, AEG-Electrolux Italy, Beko Turkey, yes it was infa that Russia Ardo will not say how lucky, I do not advise Kandy. Even more complaints Ariston and Indezhut

I have the same Indesite. 2.5 years old. So far so good. t. t. t. Maybe I was just lucky. I do not know. Everything that she herself wrote about the fact that she washes badly is not true. You just need to buy good detergents. Now everything washes perfectly in all programs. I found the right detergent.

About Beko here just recently there were negative reviews with showdowns in court.

I still have these showdowns ... ... now I'm waiting for an examination at home ...

Girls, boys, teach me what to do. Machine Veko 1530. After installation, I did everything as expected, water, salt, conditioner, 15 ml of powder. All finish washing powder. I haven’t found any other dishwasher detergents, aren’t in stores or I’m looking badly. Launched on the fourth program Qulck clen, everything was washed well. The next wash was run for a short 30 minutes, and less than 15 mils of powder was added. after washing, a full pan of foam. I read that this is from a large dose of rinse aid, I had it at the factory 3. I reduced the rinse aid by 2, this morning I washed the pots on the most intense one at mine by 70 gr. powder 15 ml. after washing in the pallet, two small islands of foam are already better, but there it is. I decided to reduce the rinse aid, put it on 1. Now I washed the dishes after dinner on the Qulck clen program, 15 ml powder. foam again. More than in the morning, I set the salt on the dough to 3. Maybe a lot of powder? All! There is a mess in my head, I read the instructions, I get even more confused and there is no one to prompt. Yes, zabala, all the dishes are slippery. you have to rinse yourself. Help even cry.

[Olga y]

Olga y, the most primitive way to find out what a lot is - to lick a plate If soda tastes like a lot of powder, if sour - a lot of rinse aid. Unfortunately, I don't have a Finish, I won't tell you ...

And the rinse aid may also be bad. Or a detergent. So far I have chosen the right one, so almost a year has passed. And not only me. My sister and I suffered together. She also has a dishwasher. And they picked them up together. The dishwashers are different, but the water is the same. And from everything that you can buy within walking distance, we stopped at tablets. Only on the advice of our forum member, unfortunately I do not remember the name, we divide the pill in half. And forward. Yes, more expensive, but the dishes shine !!!

Olga, most likely a lot of salt. It softens the water and the rinse aid starts to foam from the fact that the water is very soft. Try to lower the salt level, in my short program if you open the car immediately after washing, there will also be foam at the bottom, everything is fine on others. Now I also finish my and try not to use a short program

Today we ran out of powder, which was poured into a 0.6 l bottle. In total, 580 grams of powder were consumed in November-June. Mine about 1 time in 2 days, sometimes 2-3 times a day, I left for another week ... therefore, very approximately 1 dose = 580 / (8 * 15) = 5 grams.

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Now I washed the dishes after dinner on the Qulck clen program, 15 ml powder. foam again. More than in the morning

Do you open PMM as soon as the program ends? In my instructions it is written that it is not recommended to open the PMM immediately, while it is hot. So it is written - to remove the dishes from the PMM after cooling... For more than ten years, I have never seen foam at the bottom.
Is there also foam after the AUTO program?

Do you open PMM as soon as the program ends?

The program ends, I open the door, steam comes out. And then I heard a sound like a hiss, opened the door harder and saw foam. Now I wiped the whole machine thoroughly and just started rinsing. In the middle of the work, I looked in, on the top of the water a little light foam, it is not clear whether it was from whipping up water or something. The water is slimy and tastes salty. Maybe there is a lot of salt, although I tried to lick the salt off the plates. On the test of 5 squares, it was painted 2 by 3, only the edges were painted over with greasy, and on the fourth, only the edge on one side was thin. So I set the salt to 3. And the auto programs seem to be no. 1 rinse, 2 for 30 minutes. 3 eko 4 Quick Clean and 5 intensive

Olga, most likely a lot of salt.

Here, I think the same. Reduced from 3 to 2, I'll check. Of the washing machines for cars, having run around the whole city, I saw only the Finish and that's it. From intern. shops delivering to us found Compact 2 kg. for 600 rubles. and Japanese powder 800gr. over 600, will not run away. well, delivery at 200. Girls, everyone, thank you !!! And I will reduce the salt and the detergent, I will check well and look for powders and so on. Thank you all, smart girls

Of the washing machines for cars, having run around the whole city, I saw only the Finish and that's it.

I use the entire Finish line (we also do not have other products in stores), I have a Bosch PMM, there are no pretensions to the detergent, the dishes are all shining, the glass is without streaks and streaks. Metal dishes are perfect too. So I think I need to play with the settings. I washed dishes and on a quick program, no foam remains. I did not change the settings, I left the factory ones. I pour the powder 15ml.

The program ends, I open the door, steam comes out.

If the PMM is under the countertop, then the hot steam will damage it. Even if the protective plate is installed. If you want your kitchen furniture to live longer, then you should not expose it to such hydro-thermal shock. If, suppose, you need an argument for your husband to replace furniture, the path is correct.

I did not change the settings, I left the factory ones. Powder I pour 15ml.

Always 15 ml? Regardless of the quantity and dirtiness of the dishes? Not a very correct approach ...

Girls, do not be lazy, read a good competent article about the choice of funds for PMM. Many questions will become clearer.
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&Itemid=221&topic=27350.0
there it is under the spoiler.

Always 15 ml? Regardless of the quantity and dirtiness of the dishes? Not a very correct approach ...

No, I never have it overflowing, and even all the leftovers of my daughter's food are washed with napkins, so the dishes are almost clean, and when the pans (also wiped with napkins from grease) and pots are washed, I pour them to the top of the riser.

[lega]

I believe that my rushing from the machine to the instructions and reading through the third circle is over. Today's training ended well! Reduced salt from 3 to 2, rinse by 1, a little more powder. On the main (recommended according to the instructions) program, everything is fine and the dishes are normal. Yesterday I looked at the light brown glass plates, not at all, but there is a rainbow, like gasoline on water. Not beautiful, but then they will disappear? And I don’t like the rinse aid, I don’t know what is alarming, but I don’t like it, can I dilute it? Now it doesn't, almost half the bottle has gone into the compartment.lega the machine stands alone, no harm is expected from it in the district. but I began to open it on your advice later. Girls thank you all, the machine is the first, and why are they so complicated? I was confused, panicked, the thoughts were in my head those that you voiced, but I could not gather in a heap. thanks again

powder a little more tsp.On the main (recommended according to the instructions) program, everything is fine and the dishes are normal.

It is not enough. Usually 15-25 grams are needed for a sink. This is not a teaspoon. The dishes may be fine even if no powder is added at all, but the machine may need to be repaired very quickly.

Yesterday I looked at the light brown glass plates, not all of them, but there is a rainbow, like gasoline on water. Not beautiful, but then they will disappear?

Will not disappear. This is the irreversible chemical dissolution of glass. Such dishes should be washed using gentle glass programs and glass detergents. Personally, I have withdrawn from circulation almost everything that cannot be washed in the PMM.

And I don’t like the rinse aid, I don’t know what is alarming, but I don’t like it, can I dilute it?

The usual children's horror stories from not understanding the essence of the process. Hair conditioner is much more harmful than rinse. Chessword.

and why are they so complicated?

Because we do not teach them at school in labor lessons. After a little practice, using the PMM becomes no more difficult than using a washing machine or microwave.

It is not enough. Usually 15-25 grams are needed for a sink. This is not a teaspoon.

But what is it .. again, all to the fluff and prh! With the amount of powder I was completely confused, who is 15, who needs less, although I keep thinking and .. I understand, for a car it is not good. it is necessary to pour 15 Now, if not full or 1 \ 2, how much? In the instructions for my stains on the glass, they write that glass corrosion is due to soft water, what should I do? adjust the hardness and select a program at a higher temperature of 60 65g. , and if the appearance of a metallic appearance is a bluish-iridescent shade, then there is too much rinse aid, but neither about the temperature. With what I suffered the last three washes. Now I have reduced the values ​​of salt and rinse aid until everything is fine. I don't remember glassware, like Luminar, so what? How then to be with her? There is no program for glass, on short ones it is not advisable to read it like that, but according to the instructions it is necessary for 60g. Change completely all, all the dishes? Oh, I feel I will go to the forest in an embrace with a typewriter!

[Olga y]

Oh, I feel I will go to the forest in an embrace with a typewriter!

Olga y, don't panic! Everything is fine, many go through ethno, then they themselves are amazed at how simple everything really is.

Glass is washed at the lowest possible temperature. Of the listed programs, this is most likely Eco.

Change completely all, all the dishes?

All glassware Luminark? Doesn't it say "Dishwashing safe" on the packaging? Then buy products specifically for glass.

Hello all owners of wonderful PMM !!! I don't have such a miracle yet. so I thought about purchasing. but we have such a problem - there is no way to install it close to the drain as recommended in the instructions. We get a place in another corner and about 5 meters from the sink. Maybe someone has already encountered such a problem or knows how to install a PMM at such a distance? Of course, it was necessary to think about it when making the kitchen. but at that time I thought wrong, like "I won't wash three plates like that," and now I don't want to wash one by hand

[ElenaN]

ElenaN, after all, the more correct option is to donate one of the bedside tables near the sink. If this seems completely impossible, you need to accept a little (if you use it) and re-weigh the pros and cons. If it didn't work out, repeat the procedure. There are many examples here on the forum, when, as a result, there was suddenly enough space for the PMM.
In principle, it is possible to pull 5 meters of communication, but this is the most extreme case. Water and electrics are no problem, at least twenty meters. There is a limitation on the length of the drain hose - 4 m. But with ordinary sewer pipes of 50 mm, you can bring the connection point closer to the reachable distance.

You can hold out ... we built up the sewerage and water supply system with plastic for the washing machine, and only the last meter with flexible hoses. Rough, but she erases

Well, they were puzzled - now I'm thinking whether to sacrifice a bedside table or how much to take so that the distance decreases

And this already depends on the resistance of the organism.

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Well, they were puzzled - now I'm thinking whether to sacrifice a bedside table or how much to take so that the distance decreases

faced with certain problems with the PMM, I can tell you right away: in case of breakdowns, the master in first of all will check correct connection (according to all the PMM manufacturer's recommendations) and only then break down the breakdowns .. so think about THIS topic right away ...

[ElenaN]

ElenaN, after all, the more correct option is to donate one of the bedside tables near the sink. If this seems completely impossible, you need to accept a little (if you use it) and re-weigh the pros and cons. If it didn't work out, repeat the procedure. There are many examples here on the forum, when, as a result, there was suddenly enough space for the PMM.
In principle, it is possible to pull 5 meters of communication, but this is the most extreme case. Water and electrics are no problem, at least twenty meters. There is a limitation on the length of the drain hose - 4 m. But with ordinary sewer pipes of 50 mm, you can bring the connection point closer to the reachable distance.

I didn’t connect it near the sink .. but a hole in the place of accumulation of pipes .... near the hot and cold water taps .. though the pipes were soldered / soldered .. and then they made a drain into the sewer pipe .. crashed right into this thick pipe from above , said. that this is possible because how it is filled to the top does not happen ..
like there are no leaks anywhere .. washes ..

I, like many of those who entered this topic, choose my assistant. The very first question for me right now is size. All recommendation articles advise for a family of 5-6 people to purchase a full-length (60cm), for 12-14 sets. But what a pity for the place! Girls-boys, tell me from your own experience: take a big one or a narrow one?

I, like many of those who entered this topic, choose my assistant. The very first question for me right now is size. All recommendation articles advise for a family of 5-6 people to purchase a full-length (60cm), for 12-14 sets. But what a pity for the place! Girls-boys, tell me from your own experience: take a big one or a narrow one?

Take a narrow one only if the full-size one does not fit at all. And a family of 5-6 people definitely requires a full-size one.

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big or narrow?

in my family of 3 people (2 adults and 1 child) I have 60 ... and, as a rule, in this composition we are at home only 2 days a week (we both work + kindergarten) .... And I don’t I have never regretted that I took a 60-ku (i.e. full-size), because sometimes in it Not all fits - this is when you cook a few days in advance and, willy-nilly, the dishes accumulate enough during cooking ...

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Tell me from your own experience: take a big one or a narrow one?

Take a narrow one only if the full-size one does not fit at all. And a family of 5-6 people definitely requires a full-size one.

in my family of 3 people (2 adults and 1 child) I have 60 ... And I have never regretted that I took a 60 (i.e. full-size), because sometimes it is Not all fits

If there is room, then only full-size. We have 60cm for two and have never regretted it.