Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502 (3)

All right, I bought it, 2511! Take to the company ☺ I already tried to bake wheat bread, a recipe from a book. Everything worked out, the bread is very airy, the average crust is light for my taste, now I put it with the addition of rye flour and the crust is dark. I also want to reduce the amount of yeast, so I realized that you can halve it and bake it as usual? In 2511 low-yeast mode for 50 min. longer ...

[nata1]

nata1, I bake on low yeast with half yeast. Try both 1 and 2 prog if you want to experiment. Wed Enter the result and choose the one that you like best. Half the yeast may not be enough for a good lift.

Added Monday 13 Jun 2016 10:05 PM

nata1, Natalia, congratulations on your purchase!

Svetlana, thank you! I will try. So I was drawn to experiments, I did not expect this from myself ☺
Thanks again to everyone who answered my questions - they helped me decide to buy

[Natalia]

Natalia, we all have different yeast, so you don't need to rely entirely on the management, you need to reduce it and see what happens. Or you need to find someone who has already tried it on your brand of yeast.
But .. the program for low-yeast dough is not only an extra 50 minutes, it is an extra 50 minutes of dough fermentation, accumulation of taste. Usually we sacrifice quality for the sake of speed.

The most delicious pure wheat bread is obtained with a minimum of yeast and maximum fermentation

[marinastom]

marinastom, Marish, you and I baked Bread from Talia - Natasha, with the amount of yeast reduced by half, against her recipe. They took not 7 g, but 4 g !!!
Changed the regime from Basic to French. Instead of 4 hours, 6 hours, and even a delay of 2 or 3 hours ...
The bread WERE WONDERFUL. :-) :-) :-)
I posted a photo. Natasha herself baked that way too, in my opinion ...

I ask for help! Milk was boiled and whey was obtained. For the first time I was glad instead of frustration. However! Due to the two-week vacation and business trip, we will not bake bread. Attention - a question! How to store serum? In the refrigerator +5. Can it be frozen in the freezer, and then thawed in bread? We are looking forward to advice and stop the dispute for a while

Freeze of course! I did this many times, pour it into the appropriate container, then defrost it in portions. Then everything turns out fine for bread.

Yes, Vital, in a plastic bottle and in a freezer. Everything will be fine. Then, when needed, defrost it and go!
Yeah, Rituel, I now bake all the breads with half the rate of yeast, I have dry Saf-Instant, I pour half a teaspoonful of 500 grams of flour. The Frenchman works great!

I froze too, so don't be afraid!

Thank you, my darlings!

[fffuntic]

fffuntic, and you would buy yourself 2512 European now if there was an opportunity? All the same 33 programs ...
Now I am looking for instructions for the European and the usual one to compare what is not important except for the modes of dumplings.

[fffuntic]

fffuntic, and would you buy yourself 2512 European now if there was an opportunity? All the same 33 programs.

the number of programs does not matter if you can program the stove yourself.
and if you are looking for ready-made presets, then it is easier / cheaper for you to buy ready-made products.

[fffuntic]

fffuntic, and you would buy yourself 2512 European now if there was an opportunity? All the same 33 programs ...
Now I am looking for instructions for the European and the usual one to compare what is not important except for the modes of dumplings.

firstly, I have already changed the 2501 to the older 253 just because of the additional Italian regime. 253 were sold close by and I could not resist the temptation, and I am satisfied.

The Italian regime is somewhere in between the regular and the French. And very complicated dances with tambourines are needed to achieve it manually from the stove. I like him very much.
There are no dumplings in 253, as in Europeans. But this is not scary. There is pizza, there is a fast mode - there is also no standing there and kneads intensively.

And if instead of 253 they sold a European woman, definitely would change and would be on seventh heaven.
Sandwiches, brioches and other new features, I would find where to adapt. And now there is also a long fermentation in the bourgeois.

There is no "useful" only dumplings. And that's all.

Because they are not idiots in Panasonic and they are introducing new programs for a reason. There are different fermentation temperatures, number of kneading and baking temperatures. Why dance with tambourines where engineers have already tried?

In Panasonic, I like to bake on the machine every day, and not to program. For programming, there are stoves that are more functionally adapted to programming, such as a fillet.

The attitude of Panasonic to our market pisses me off personally. They have cheated us in full with programs and do not even think to correct themselves.
Personally, I'm for the most functional Panasonic, the more programs it contains, the better.

European 2512? mmm, a wonderful oven

[would change]

firstly, I already changed the 2501 to the older 253 just because of the additional Italian regime. 253 were sold close by and I could not resist the temptation, and I am satisfied.

The Italian regime is somewhere in between the regular and the French. And very complicated dances with tambourines are needed to achieve it manually from the stove. I like him very much.
There are no dumplings in 253, as in Europeans. But this is not scary. There is pizza, there is a fast mode - there is also no standing there and kneads intensively.

And if instead of 253 they sold a European woman, definitely would change and would be on seventh heaven.
Sandwiches, brioches and other new features, I would find where to adapt. And even now, the burzhuikas have a long fermentation.

There is no "useful" only dumplings. And that's all.

Because they are not idiots in Panasonic and they are introducing new programs for a reason. There are different fermentation temperatures, number of kneading and baking temperatures. Why dance with tambourines where engineers have already tried?

In Panasonic, I like to bake on the machine every day, and not to program. For programming, there are stoves that are more functionally adapted to programming, such as a fillet.

The attitude of Panasonic to our market pisses me off personally. They cheated us in full with programs and do not even think to correct themselves.
Personally, I am for the most functional Panasonic, the more programs it contains, the better.

European 2512? mmm, a wonderful oven

Thank you very much for your feedback.
I also thought so that these modes are thought out, and give more opportunities.

I am very worried that I don't know the language, well, not quite, but I can't translate the recipe for myself and I can't understand the subtleties.
Amazon sends English to us, there minus watts and plus delivery will come out about 15 thousand, then it is like ours and this is at first approximation, I did not look for where the delivery is cheaper or there is.
Why do you need a long fermentation?

I am very worried that I don't know the language, well, not quite, but I can't translate the recipe for myself and I can't understand the subtleties.

I will help with the translation of recipes You will learn the necessary subtleties gradually, many went like this

I will help with the translation of recipes You will learn the necessary subtleties gradually, many went like this

Thank you very much, I was really looking forward to your appearance here.

Thalia, what do you think is worth the candle? Is it worth buying a European one? Not only have I never baked without a language in HP, I baked in the oven in 2010, I was inspired by Ludmila's LiveJournal from Canada, then with the birth of a child, interests changed. Now I want exactly HP. I already bought the bacterment :)

is it worth the candle? Should you buy a European

guarantee question. it breaks down a week after your arrival - your actions?

not only without language

google translate will translate everything for you on the fly. straight from the camera.

I have never baked in HP yet

judging by the purchase of the bacterment, you do not need a bread maker.

guarantee question. you break down a week after joining - your actions? google translate will translate everything for you on the fly. straight from the camera. judging by the purchase of the bacterment, you do not need a bread maker.

if it breaks I send it back
google translate is a wonderful thing, but not for special terms
Why don't I need HP if I bought the simplest starter culture?

if it breaks I send back

didn't figure out how you write the modification. everything is fine.

google translate is a wonderful thing, but not for special terms

there are no special terms in the bakery, it's like OK.

Why don't I need HP if I bought the simplest starter culture?

I will not write about the advisability of buying it, your salary - whatever you want, then do it. why are you buying this particular strain?
afraid of yeast or can't make it yourself?

[Hope]

Hope, I also have a European HP only model 2500. I really like it!

By the way, for lovers of the simple, in Ireland they are still sold

I knead the unleavened dough (dumplings, for chebureks ...) on the kneading program for quick bread and everything is fine.

But initially you need to decide what kind of bread you want to bake: yeast, leavened, simple or the best, or just bread, or delicious bread ...

HP saves you time by performing many operations automatically. But if you want to bake bread "rich" in benefits and taste, then either combine HP with the oven, or leave only the oven and do not buy HP.

A good stove will be a good helper Do not worry, here you will be taught how to bake in HP, both simple and complex You will cope, and do not even doubt

For the first time, make yourself a memo / cheat sheet, and then you will do everything playfully

Personally, I am satisfied with the bread that I can bake in HP. I like simpler flavors. Me and my family like it. We do not have gourmets Well, of course, I also like the saving of time and effort.

Added Saturday 23 Jul 2016 11:09 PM

baked in 2010 in the oven, inspired by Ludmila Ludmila from Canada

And ask her for advice. Luda bakes in different ways, and in HP too. Her answer will be a good addition for making a final decision.

didn't figure out how you write the modification. everything is fine. there are no special terms in the bakery, it's like OK. I will not write about the advisability of buying it, your salary - whatever you want, then do it. why are you buying this particular strain?
afraid of yeast or can't make it yourself?

did not understand the comment about midification.

I want Sekova as something in between yeast and sourdough, it is simpler and more stable.
I used to start leavening and bake them, but now, as in my past life, I don’t remember everything and there’s no time to immerse myself as I love, so everything is gradual.
I'm not afraid of yeast, but I want to be able to bake without it

Added Saturday 23 Jul 2016 11:23 PM

HP saves you time by performing many operations automatically. But if you want to bake bread "rich" in benefits and taste, then either combine HP with the oven, or leave only the oven and do not buy HP.

Natalia, personally, I don't really like bread from the oven. But I have the opportunity to bake it there, and there is steam and all sorts of stones and proofers and other attributes of a baker, but there is no time for that yet.
So I want hp. The fact that I get it is definitely the question what. I am storming, on the one hand I want "right now", on the other I want to have a more functional one. I am sure that I will get used to foreign words on a typewriter in a week, I have most of the techniques with non-Russian words.
But here are the recipes and nuances.

And I'm also confused, they also have different suffixes
SD-ZB2512BXC
SD-ZB2512KXE
SD-ZB2512KXC

somewhere in the descriptions it is written that 13 programs ...

[Hope]

Hopeyou are more serious than I thought

Think carefully about what you plan to bake. Heaped up European not will save a lover of various sourdough pastries.

[Hope]

Hopeyou are more serious than I thought
You have never baked in KhP and in fact do not know what exactly you want from it.

I never baked myself, I was present during the processes of KHP, I tasted bread.

I perfectly understood about programmable and automatic ones and I clearly understand what I want.
I read 2 topics on Panas, diagonally about all HPs that interested me.
I plan to bake in autopilot on my weekdays, on weekends I can do it in a semi-automatic.

If it takes too long to buy a Japanese zosia and I will program

[accurate]

I have never baked myself, I was present during the processes of KhP, I tasted bread.

I perfectly understood about programmable and automatic ones and I clearly understand what I want.
I read 2 topics on Panas, diagonally about all HPs that interested.
I plan to bake in autopilot on my weekdays, on weekends I can do it in a semi-automatic.

If it takes too long to buy a Japanese zosia and I will program

I hint everything to you this way and that ... take the second only brand. You will not regret. If you take her second - there is no price. Zosie and the Kenwoods are resting. Take a look at the possibilities. Panasik + Brand = fulfillment of all dreams

And about Panasik, look. How many programs, so many possibilities to bake different bread on the machine. But you will be limited in the possibilities of leavening. Will you be able to choose the amount of bacterment so that it fits into the program framework - it will be your task. You will not be disappointed by leaps and bounds. It is unlikely that you will be able to leave it unattended with a buckenzyme.

The longer the fermentation in the program, the less yeast can be added = the tastier the bread

Added Sunday 24 Jul 2016 00:58

accurate xp functionality can always be seen in the instructions. Sales people often write nonsense

Added Sunday 24 Jul 2016 01:03

and find out about the designations in the Panasonic Center. Call the toll-free line and check.

Added Sunday 24 Jul 2016 01:26

Don't worry about recipes. You can take the Russian instructions for the same model and first bake on coinciding major programs. By the way, they are also a normal amount.
Understand in minutes
And then on the rest of the programs. The designations in bourgeois after that will become dear and sweet. And Google will not be needed.
The main thing at the initial stage is to have two instructions: Russian and bourgeois And two pictures: a bourgeois machine and a domestic one. To match the buttons.
Actually ... it's not difficult at all.

Ps. my 253 is also all in bourgeois

And what is it we are all the time running into the dumplings dough, you can knead it in the combine with knives

Girls, thank you very much!

Thanks for the idea with the brandik. Do you have a brand? I read that there is one, but I respect everything Japanese and I like the shape of a bucket in a virtuoso.
I don’t need dumplings, my dough mixer makes it in 1 minute. But even if I am lazy and necessary, you pointed out a wonderful, capable fast mode.


You just need to deal with these Sufiks. The instruction for them is one by numbers or I'm a curve. On a computer, you can take khe for 12 tons with delivery ...

[Hope]

Hope, I have both Panasonic and Brand, I will say this to the automatic programs in Brand (except French) I do not like at all, but if you prescribe the program yourself the bread is very good, I also don’t like the coating of the bucket in Brand, the first bucket lasted 1 month, with rare use, and for me a huge minus that the spatula is very fried to the bread and when you take it out, it tears it. Frankly, there are much fewer problems with Panasik, at first just to study the kolobok and you can practically not follow him, he will do everything, and Panasik's bucket is generally gorgeous, Brand has a good programming mode, of course, and this hp is cheaper, but its service life is shorter. I like Panasonic more.

automatic programs in Brand (except French) I don't like at all

Can you give more details than you didn't like the presets? Or do you not like the bread they bake?

[Moofiepie]

Moofiepie, I didn't like the bread, except for French, I set up my program, since there are 4 of my programs you can remember.

[Hope]

Hope, I have both Panasonic and Brand, I will say this to the automatic programs in Brand (except French) I do not like at all, but if you prescribe the program yourself the bread is very good, I also don’t like the coating of the bucket in Brand, the first bucket lasted 1 month, with rare use, and for me a huge minus that the spatula is very fried to the bread and when you take it out, it tears it. Frankly, there are much fewer problems with Panasik, at first just to study the kolobok and you can practically not follow him, he will do everything, and Panasik's bucket is generally gorgeous, Brand has a good programming mode, of course, and this hp is cheaper, but its service life is shorter. I like Panasonic more.

Svetlana, do you have a modified one or the first one?

[Hope]

Hope, modified.

[Hope]

And I'm also confused, they also have different suffixes
SD-ZB2512BXC
SD-ZB2512KXE
SD-ZB2512KXC

and find out about the designations in the Panasonic Center. Call the toll-free line and check.

You just need to deal with these Sufiks.

Hope, but did you try to call? Also I wonder what the difference is, I wonder how this abbreviation is generally deciphered

[this]

Hope. For operation every day, Panasonic is the most. Workhorse for years.
All other stoves are far behind in terms of durability.

So I wrote "Panasonic + Brand".
But why Brand and not Zosia?
Yes, because if Brand is taken the second, then for complex long-term leavening breads that are fermented at low temperatures.

Now compare the possibilities in this areas near Zosie, Kenwood and Brand.

Svetlana scolded only Brand's automatic programs. But they are not needed if you take the stove for your own recipes and use it not intensively, but as a second one. The programmed mode of this stove is wonderful.

And the assembly is flimsy. Bucket as lucky. In terms of quality, not Panasonic, that's for sure.

But let's say Zosya ... will be of high quality, but in terms of programming she is lame, and her automatic programs are also not like Panasonic's.

In general ... there are disadvantages everywhere.

[Hope]

Hope, but did you try to call? Also I wonder what the difference is, I wonder how this abbreviation is generally deciphered

I didn't call today, I just came home from work.
But I don't think they will answer me something according to the European versions ...

for example, a German site for Panasonic 🔗... panasonic.com/de/consumer/kueche-haushalt/mikrowellen-brotbackautomaten/brotbackautomaten/sd-zb2512.html 18 programs no letters are visible at all

english site 33 programs below is a video and seen by KHS panasonic.com/uk/consumer/home-appliances/breadmakers/sd-zb2512.html

there is a video on the English site below, where you can see that 2 cups and 2 spoons and the aunt starter makes

Svetlana scolded only Brand's automatic programs. But they are not needed if you take the stove for your own recipes and use it not intensively, but as a second one. The programmed mode of this stove is wonderful.

Ms-yes, I just didn't like the automation, but my own setting is really wonderful.

I called our Panasonic, they certainly do not know how the modification is different :(

[Waist]

Waist, You posted pictures, translated recipes from European CP, for example, Italian bread.
I have 2 questions, the first is somewhere these pictures are fixed, I read from the ipad and now I can't find it?
And the second, how did you do it so beautifully in the same style as in the instructions, purely technically, as I did in the instructions in the PDF, which does not allow editing in this file?
Thank you.
And in the meantime, I decided on the HP that I would buy a European woman and it would cost up to 12 thousand new, then I would show it and tell you everything.

Can you please tell me, is the dough crumpled again in Panasonic 2501 on program 01 in "rise" mode? After standing and kneading on the rise, my blade spins several times - so, before baking, the dough will not have time to rise? Or am I misunderstanding something? I specially registered, otherwise there is no one to ask ...

[tanchik81]

tanchik81, will rise.

then it should be so? I feel so sorry for the "kolobok" - as soon as it starts to rise, and here it is again ...

[tanchik81]

tanchik81, in Panasonic all programs are well thought out.

then it should be so?

It's okay. Will catch up with time. Plus also the expansion of air microbubbles of the dough from heating at the beginning of baking.
Gay law(his mother!)-Lussac, physics, 9th grade.

Yes everything is correct.
When the time is 2:00 on the display, and again 1:40. The spatula makes several turns, kneads the dough. The same is for program 03 and 04.
The dough will have time to grow, don't worry. There is still 30 minutes before baking begins.

The dough will have time to grow, don't worry.

Thanks for the detailed clarification.

A plus

Konstantin, I'm delighted ...!

Girls, help me, I don't know what to do. The case of the bread machine burst for no apparent reason. From this, the lid closes at an angle. I don't know where to go. I doted on her. From what it happened, I do not know. I saw, I burst into tears. I have it for 3 years already. Everything was fine ... And here you are!

[VGorn]

VGorn, Wow...
This is a unique case, I have never heard of this (never read). My condolences.

[VGorn]

VGorn, Vika, yeah!
And if you contact the service? In my opinion, what is inside most often deteriorates, maybe the case will be found?
PS. I have a Brown iron lying there, waiting ... The handle broke when it fell, but it works fine, but you can't use it.

[Victoria]

The case of the bread machine burst for no apparent reason.

Victoria, try to ask in the Flea market topic (buy, accept as a gift). Perhaps someone has a bucket or some other inside out of order, and the body is intact. And it's a pity to throw it away.

Perhaps someone's bucket or some other interior has failed, and the body is intact. And it's a pity to throw it away.

Yes, there were such announcements on the forum, they were selling a non-working bread maker for spare parts ..
If there is someone handy, you can change the body. I can give a diagram of disassembling a bread machine, the diagram shows what and how to disassemble.