Giraffe
So I have such a suspicion. The suspicion turned into confidence, I found a more detailed description on the Internet. Damn, pricked. And now, calm down, I lived before without this zone or ... And is there a chance for this or do we?
gala10
Tatyana, I think there is nothing wrong. The freshness zone is, of course, very convenient. But if you haven't lived with her yet, then you won't experience any special inconveniences. I keep the meat in that box, cooked sous vide; salad that did not have time to eat right away; opened bags of milk, etc.
You can also, of course, measure the temperature there. In the freshness zone, it is about 0, but, on the other hand, where then to store vegetables and fruits?
Giraffe
It's just a shame to be deceived. The consultant showed me everything and pressed the buttons. Like hold it for 3 seconds and turn on something ..
igorechek
What are you worried about? Neither the bottom nor the top of the refrigerator compartment will NEVER have a stable temperature. It's just that the top is always warmer by a few degrees / than the bottom.
And even the temperature both above and below will always fluctuate by several degrees. If you take measurements, then in the same place in the chamber you will have different temperatures at different times.
Adapt - what to store at a lower T - put it down, at a higher T - up.
gala10
Tatyana, do not worry! The main thing is that it works normally. And the seller needs sell... In such cases, I console myself with the fact that this is not the worst thing that can happen in life ...
Giraffe
And we also thought that our old refrigerator, it turns out, was not so small. Although the external dimensions are very inferior. And we decided to change it, to a greater extent, because the refrigerator compartment did not become as cold as before. And it turns out new, at 3 degrees, just as cold, or even less.
A person is imperfect, he always needs something for complete happiness.
The main thing is that the new one works well. While we washed him with sweets with liqueur, he doesn't feel like drinking at all. I’m ready for cake even now, but alcohol ...
gala10
Quote: Giraffe
While we washed him with sweets with liqueur, he doesn't feel like drinking at all. I’m ready for cake even now, but alcohol ...
What can you do - it is necessary !!!
Unwashed equipment is not covered by the warranty!
Giraffe
Is there a time limit for washing? The next alcohol-related event (not for me) on May 19, 5 years to my husband.
Annutka
Tatyana, my parents have exactly such a refrigerator, it has been working for the third year already, they are not overjoyed. When we bought it, we asked in many stores for firms. So almost everyone said that there are very few complaints about Samsung. Congratulations on your purchase!
gala10
LTD!!! You have such a young husband ???
It is necessary to wash the sooner the better! God takes care of the bearded, as they say!
Kirks
Tatyana You bought a good refrigerator, don't worry. The value for money is excellent. As for the temperature in the refrigerator, load the food and leave it overnight, do not look into it checking the temperature every hour, but look in the morning. There will be an accurate temperature. And I would not bother about the freshness zone. I just looked at me three of them,: girl_red: but to say that you can't live without them I won't say. If I don't have time to cook the meat, I leave it in the cold chamber and cook the next day, nothing is lost. For weeks it does not lie in the refrigerator, then it is in the freezer. I also buy vegetables on a regular basis, so I can't store them for a long time, we eat them quickly. If you haven't eaten salads for the first two days, then nobody eats them, even though you don't store them anywhere. You would have an extra drawer, and that would reduce the volume for the pots. There is a box for vegetables and fruits, that's enough.For example, no frost is more important to me, I remember how I used to wash the refrigerator once a week, now it's happiness. It's not bad if you have volt control, a voltage drop control technology. Better enjoy your new purchase from all it is impossible to insure. And don't forget to "wash" your new purchase
Giraffe
Thank you very much for your support! Our old refrigerator is also Samsung and my husband initially leaned towards the same company. Ours worked for 20 years without a single complaint, except that last summer it became warmer in the refrigerator compartment. Well, they decided that he still asked for a pension. They thought it would be inappropriate to renumber, maybe in vain. Yes, and I wanted more, more accommodating.
Kirks, volt control is, but, as explained in the store, they are all disposable and we will not know when it will work. I also praise myself for not succumbing to persuasion to buy a thing that eliminates odors from a new refrigerator and then lasts for a year of its operation. To be honest, I first wanted to know what it is and whether it is necessary at all. Maybe just a divorce for money. Then, with two worlds, there was no time for that, or rather it was not clear who and where to ask, who and where. I decided that if I couldn't do it myself, then I would always have time to buy it. And I thought to cope with activated charcoal, silicone shoe bags, a crust of bread, salt, soda, and you never know what else will come to my mind. So ... We left the refrigerator open for a couple of hours and the smell was gone
For eggs, the container is only 6 pieces, not in our way somehow. I put it away and just folded it into boxes on the door. And yes, the shelves on the door could have been more spacious, or at least one more .. There is a shelf for bottles, but it was removed, not relevant.
Checking the temperature
Kirks
So check it right. And then it becomes curious to see what kind, but the refrigerator cannot reach the temperature. I remove the smells with an onion, cut it in half raw and in the refrigerator. If there is room, leave the old refrigerator, two refrigerators are beauty
igorechek
Quote: Kirks
look in the morning. There will be an accurate temperature.
The temperature will never be the same and stable anywhere in the refrigerator, even if you don't open it. All these advertisements about accuracy up to 0.5 * are nothing more than a lure, as well as an antibacterial coating, etc.

AnastasiaK
Giraffe, and I read somewhere that it is inappropriate to store eggs in the refrigerator door. The door often opens, the eggs are constantly shaken and seem to spoil faster. I threw the egg holder out of the door and just put them on the shelf in the box. Of course, it's a pity for the place, but I put in the door what is not sensitive to shaking - chocolate, jams, mustard, vinegar and so on.
Giraffe
Quote: igorechek

nothing more than enticement, like antibacterial coating, etc.
By the way, yes, this was also discussed, but somehow I did not bother about this. For me, the main thing is that the products are well preserved, spacious and reliable.
Giraffe
Quote: Kirks

I remove the smells with an onion, cut it in half raw and in the refrigerator.
It was, first of all, about the smell of plastic, etc. I never had to do anything to remove odors from my refrigerator, I simply did not have them. I would like to hope that I am a good hostess and not a smart refrigerator.
By the way, about the new one on the Internet, I found it was equipped with an odorizer, that is, he himself should get rid of odors and not an additionally purchased thing. Or maybe it’s also an advertising move, I won’t be surprised at anything.
Zhivchik
Quote: Kirks

I remove the smells with an onion, cut it in half raw and in the refrigerator.

What a horror ... Or maybe even use garlic?

Since ancient times, it has been recommended for neutralizing foreign odors in the refrigerator with soda and vinegar.
You can also spread the lemon skins.

Quote: Giraffe

I never had to do anything to remove odors from my refrigerator, I just didn't have them.



I also can't imagine how it smells of food in the refrigerator. Although many "housewives" simply put smoked sausage on the shelf (not in a bag), open fish on a plate, etc.That is, there are no plastic containers for them.
Oh, yes ... there is almost a pharmacy on the doors.
Antonovka
Zhivchik,
Quote: Zhivchik
Oh, yes ... there is almost a pharmacy on the doors.
Tanya, well, there are medicines that need to be stored in the refrigerator. Where else are they? True, the question is in quantity - I have a little :) And I'm used to doing according to my father's - the plastic bottle is cut off and everything is put into it - it takes up less space
Zhivchik
Quote: Antonovka

Well, there are medications that need to be stored in the refrigerator.

Lena, Yes there is. In the instructions of which it is written what exactly to store in a cold place (candles, etc.) But many put in the refrigerator almost the entire first-aid kit, including tablets. It was my mother-in-law who used to do that. And when the refrigerator was opened, then And she was fine. This is her own scent. She was used to him.
In any case, medicines can be placed in a resealable box. True? Although many simply do not feel these extraneous odors. Then it's a matter of smell. Here are the happy people.
gala10
Quote: Antonovka
I used to do my father's way - the plastic bottle is cut off and everything is put in it - it takes up less space
Oh, class !!! I will do that too. Thank you!
AnastasiaK
Well, I have a "pharmacy" in my door. My husband is a lover of medicines, they creep wherever he put them - everything, let them lie there and can't touch them. There was a blockage on the dining table, I asked to put at least a part in the closet, no, everything is needed here and at once. I allocated a place on the shelf next to the table - I filled up the entire shelf, but I don't remember what is in the closet. The same is in the refrigerator door - a bunch of everything, and try to touch it! Scandals are constant, the theme is that I have no place and you constantly squeeze me (husband's aria).
Zhivchik
Quote: AnastasiaK

The same is in the refrigerator door - a bunch of everything, and try to touch it!

Oh, horror ... Anastasia, try to convince him to disassemble these drugs. After all, most likely there will be mogo that absolutely do not need to be stored in the cold (and many cannot be kept). And pack the rest tightly in plastic containers. Arguing that, in fact, the products from the refrigerator, because of these drugs, have a terrible smell.

I found a great picture of how to store food in the refrigerator.

Refrigerator selection
Kirks
Tatyana Your picture is perfect, but it is not always possible to achieve such an ideal. It's generally problematic with a large family. My husband can take herring from the refrigerator in a container and put it back without a lid. Take out the sausage and put it on the shelf without a bag. And it is not always possible to convince an adult man. I generally keep quiet about children. And onions are very reliable means for an ambulance, like lemon, black bread, soda, etc. It's just that it is always at hand.
AnastasiaK
That's so beautiful! But this is probably possible only if the hostess single-handedly sets and takes food from the refrigerator.
Babushka
Similar to the photo from the Tupperware catalog

Just saw the writing in the corner
Zhivchik
Quote: AnastasiaK

That's so beautiful! But this is probably possible only if the hostess single-handedly sets and takes food from the refrigerator.

My men try to put the container in the refrigerator, in the place where they took it.
I somehow have no questions with this.

Quote: Babushka

Similar to the photo from the Tupperware catalog

Likely. And interestingly, there is not a single pot. For example, I always have the first course in my fridge. And I would not like to pour it into a container.

Giraffe
And what, really, you can not teach to order? I am, however, genuinely interested. And about a bunch of drugs ...Anastasia, and all at the same time the husband needs? And all have a normal shelf life? Can the doctor change? My neighbors quickly realized that it was a disastrous business to go asking me for a pill. I have an optimal minimum: activated charcoal, anesthetic, an enzyme preparation (for guests), ascorbic acid, albucid (a turner husband, sometimes needed), a broad-spectrum antibiotic ... I have it for the first time, and then you can always buy what you need. But dressing, for the treatment of wounds, etc., especially for the summer season. Floor. the street runs to us. Now my daughter knows how to process.This is despite the fact that the district doctor lives opposite. There is something else, but so little things. But the husband's cousin (pharmacist) has a branch of the workplace at home and is constantly treating something. I was somehow surprised at so many on the kitchen table, to which my husband told me: "Now, if you worked in a brick factory, you would also have bricks at home."
I remember the professor on the round tore the list of appointments if there were more than three of them.
AnastasiaK
Giraffe, so this is not a doctor, it is himself. Very much loves to be treated. He does not eat without Mezim and Hepatrin, plus because of diabetes. Plus from the throat, from colds, from pressure, aspirin, from heartburn, from a runny nose, and maybe I forgot something else. We are treated all year round.
marisabelka
And the kids won't eat his medicine? we specially bought a locker and hung everything in the kitchen that needs anything there, and the children won't get it
Zhivchik
Quote: marisabelka

And the kids won't eat his medicine?

So it depends on what age the children are.
AnastasiaK
Yeah, the husband's grandson is already 5 months old (and lives like that for 3000 km), so no one except us two will eat, and I'm not an enthusiast. Yesterday I got irritated and swept some of the medicines out of the refrigerator door (expired). I haven't seen it yet. When he sees, he will bring a new bag so that the place is not empty.
Buyer14
It's funny. Smiled - the last pages of this topic.
I could not pass by such an advertising campaign Liebher /dick/. Their marketing department pushing pushing pushing shit.
Any schoolchildren already knows what quality refrigerators are now, and especially all sorts of Liebhers, Sasungs and others.
They are all now lottery.
Sorry if anyone doesn't like this truth.
They don't take offense at the truth ...

Read on the net what they write about the Liebhers! On Main forum of Russian consumers
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And not reviews on Yandex (where they draw their decoy ducks), but by searching in the Google search service.

- "Refrigerator Liebherr / Main forum of Russian consumers"
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" The Liebherr refrigerator, purchased in 2009, broke down, the master came and said that it could not be repaired [...]

Liebherr is not the same now... They make it in Germany, Austria and Bulgaria. Now it's just a shaft of non-repairable refrigerators of this brand. Just a disaster... All the chills issued over the past 3 years to this day, a dump. Almost everyone has a freon leak in the foam partas it used to be with Indesit a. They began to use lockrings and they flow during operation. I do not recommend taking an analogue. Demand money and take a German-made Bosch and don't bother. All my friends and I have Liebherr, but until 2009. All work without problems.

[...] Even then, a year and a half ago, having checked the Internet, I concluded - Liebherrcostly d-mo, but with a quality service for replacing broken refrigerators or refunding money
"

- "Liebherr refrigerator is not repairable: how to get money back? "
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26.03.2013
"Stopped in for the same problem! Liebcher broke down. I read the Internet - I was horrified by the abundance of marriage... Here they write in cheap models. CN 4023 - bought for 38 thousand, in my opinion it's not cheap at all!
I never expected this ... I'm waiting for the master from the service center .. My back wall is swollen, freon is leaking - like many .. [...] "

- "My Liebherr C4023 has died. Diagnosis - refrigerant leak in the foamed part"
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"After working without a week for 2 years, my Liebherr C4023 died. Came master from the service center and made a diagnosis - refrigerant leak in foamed parts and peeling of the back wall of the refrigerating chamber. According to reviews on the Internet, the reason very common".

- "Which refrigerator is more reliable?"
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"23.01.2014
I took a Liebherr CUesf 4023-21 refrigerator, worked for 2.5 years and stopped cooling. As a result, the act of non-repairability due to refrigerant leaks in the foam part and money back. How much did I find out - now the Liebchers have become very bad, such a problem is very frequent, since Liebcher decided to save money and instead of a soldered connection he used a crimp or something like that.
"

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"The Liebherr CBNes 39670 refrigerator was recently renovated. a leak [...]

- Died CN 4013
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04.07.2011
As I already understood after reading the forum, my Liebherr was visited by the same fatal illness - refrigerant leak in the foam part.
[...]
"

- "Liebherr CUP3021 - leak and service work "
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"We tried to call the master from the workshop indicated in the warranty card (a certain Mir and Service LLC) - to no avail, they do not answer calls, they do not call back applications from the site.
[...] The master came and diagnosed internal freon leak, opened the system for diagnostics. He also said that since such a breakdown, we should change the refrigerator, despite expired warranty.

[...] 18.06.2012
Now, unfortunately, I understand perfectly well that we are not alone and what the vaunted Liebher quality is worth. The master who came to us for repairs said that now very many Liebherrs with leaks, and their age most often does not exceed 2-3 years. They paid, they say, for the quality ..
But most of all outraged by the work of the so-called official service.
"
igorechek
your pathological hatred for Liebherr refrigerators is absolutely incomprehensible to me. Maybe this will be news to you, but if you wish, I can dig up nasty things 10 times more on absolutely ANY device of any company.
It was necessary to register on the forum in order to write your first message with such a negative. Just amazing!
Nowadays one cannot find a sinless company without flaws, even among premium companies.
If you are so smart and fair, answer 2 questions:
1. What brand of refrigerator do you have?
2. The main one is which company you recommend for purchases (meaning those sold freely in Russia) and do you really believe that it will not have negative reviews and defects.
vatruska
Well, what can I say ... From third parties (acquaintances of acquaintances) the masters were summoned to reanimate the broken refrigerator (I won't tell you the brand - I don't remember). The point is different - the masters said that they could not even advise something to replace a broken one - that's all, that is, at this time buying a refrigerator is such a lottery ... that it makes sense, perhaps, only to rely on a service, such as -video with their replacement under warranty, but again - nothing good is said about the m-video technique now. I have probably had Westfrost for about 7 years already ... This is not an advertisement - you cannot find this type of refrigerators of this brand so easily on sale now (but it would seem - a simple two-chamber).
Buyer14
Quote: igorechek
1. What brand of refrigerator do you have?

I have two meters BSH "BOSCH"on one powerful compressor danfoss... He has a freezing capacity with a margin.
Made in St. Petersburg at the very beginning of the plant's work.
A huge sticker on the door - "Compressor warranty - five years".
I would never buy a two-compressor one. There is a power for a refrigerator and a low-temperature compartment right next to it. More precisely, it does not even cover this at all and there is no stock at all. I calculated at one time according to the manufacturers' service tables.

I managed to buy a quality copy five years ago.
Works quietly. Barely audible.
Several months. the refrigerator moved backwards without completely defrosting the unit.
After that, it rarely turned off. Probably, a depressurization could have occurred in some node. Although it keeps the temperature.
In addition, I constantly monitor the market and reviews so that there is a suitable candidate for replacement.

Further, I also know the problems with BOSCH BHP manufactured at the St. Petersburg plant.
Yes, there is a level of marriage.
Yes, compressors Jia xipera - make noise, warm up.
Yes, Spanish BOSCH has faulty buggy electronics (it was five years ago, now I don't know, we need to find out).

But for "BSH Bosch und Siemens Hausgerate GmbH"worth huge engineering base and they will not be so easy to cheapen on materials... On the quality of the same plastic in the refrigerator (like some models of the same samsung).
igorechek
Quote: Buyer14
But behind "BSH Bosch und Siemens Hausgerate GmbH" there is a huge engineering base and they will not be so easy to cheapen on materials. On the quality of the same plastic in the refrigerator (like some models of the same samsung).
And Liebherr is made by drunken stupid peasants on their knees.
Oh, how wrong you are. There are also many negative reviews about Siemens, and of any technique.
About the quality of materials and workmanship Bosch - I generally keep quiet. A lot of home appliances of very mediocre quality and weak components. I know not only from written reviews.
Here's at least my expensive bag vacuum cleaner Bosch. The garbage filling sensor flew in a couple of months. The articulation tubes are not fixed and are also corroded. The passive turbo brush is not quick-detachable - to clean the whole epic from hair. The latches are all frail. The smell is awful when working. The auto-rewind of the power cord broke after 4-5 years. The bag insertion system is inconvenient - there were cases of damage to the paper bag for collecting dust. The nozzles fit so tightly that to remove it sometimes you have to warm up the tubes ...
And such examples of "quality" Bosch - a lot, Siemens - less, but apparently because of the smaller amount of equipment sold here.
By the way, there is no answer from you to the second question.
Tanyusha
I have a Siemens refrigerator and a wood-burning washing machine like an elephant. I chose the refrigerator by smell, because many people smelled (smelled) of plastic madly, and Siemens did not smell anything and looked very dignified. I am for Siemens with two hands.
igorechek
And what ?
I have a Liebherr fridge and freezer. Smells nothing, happy as an elephant. And friends have and do not complain ...
This is not the question. The fact is that there are no "sinless" firms. And if you set a goal (it's just a pity for the time), believe me - you can also dig up enough shit on Siemens ... ah.
Machinery is sold in the millions in Russia. there can be no such thing that all instances would work without failures. I have already given approximate calculations of marriage in pieces.
Simply satisfied write VERY RARELY. They write in reviews mostly DISAPPOINTED. We do not have statistics in% -expression of the released or repaired devices.
Tanyusha
Now all the technique is a lottery to run into.
Buyer14
Further, I continue / yesterday did not have time to answer everything /

Quote: igorechek
2. The main one - which company would you recommend for shopping

* Now no one anywhere (except states and Europe) will be able to advise what exactly to buy.
It is necessary to realistically assess the reputation of the company, study every a specific model (and even a modification). If possible, talk to the servicemen in the workshops.

Also clarify the terms of return (in the states it is easier), the reputation of the store.
You cannot buy refrigerators (all the more expensive) in sharazhkin's offices.
That is, if the store is decent and does not rotate legal entities once a year, two (to evade taxes and consumer claims), then for a non-repairable refrigerator (within the service life, usually 7-10 years) you can get your money back.

* Never would have contacted a "samsung" or "LG" product.
Never bought anything from them. For more than ten years, I know what reviews about them and I will not advise anyone. Never took samsung products seriously. No need at all. Neither electronics nor household appliances.
samsung and in the states it is sold only through advertising! (I mean their household appliances).

* Belarusian "Atlant"is no longer a cake.
Many models have catastrophic noise levels. Beyond good and evil is simple.
Tubes in the area of ​​the condenser are regularly clogged (the craftsmen themselves do not know what to call this substance - as if mineral oil dissolves something inside).

* About five - seven years ago there was a huge factory defect in many model lines "BSH Bosch und Siemens Hausgerate GmbH". And it was mainly manifested (which is strange) in expensive models Siemens (in Germany it is considered a more prestigious brand than a budget BOSCH). The defect manifested itself (as I read) in NO FROST models during auto ice thawing, in the form of a loud sharp sound of falling glass - I read as if the cupboard with the service had fallen.

* Russian "Biryusa"don't even think
"Refrigerator "Biryusa" burned down the apartment: the plant was fined"
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* Copper tube refrigerators are still manufactured by firms Sharp, Panasonic, perhaps, Toshiba... Many models first on compressors Hitachi. Compressor warranty 3 years.
By the way, refrigerators of any of these three firms from a domestic voltage of 220V (230) can hum due to an electronic inverter (designed to save electricity). They don't buzz in Japan.There, the voltage of the supply network is 110 V
But, these refrigerators need a service organization nearby.
I am planning to buy a refrigerator (I still choose the manufacturer while there is time) necessarily on the compressor PANASONIC/ MATSUSHITA
This company has been producing refrigerators since 1962 and compressors since 1963 and is the world's largest manufacturer. Currently, its production capacity is estimated at more than 18 million compressors per year supplied to approximately 500 companies in 70 countries of the world. The total number of manufactured compressors is over 350 million... This is one of the few manufacturers that makes their refrigerators "inside and out", and does not assemble from parts of third-party suppliers.

"BSH Bosch und Siemens Hausgerate GmbH"also produces in Spain its BHP on compressors PANASONIC/ MATSUSHITA, R600a, by the way.

I want something as compact as possible.
Definitely not side-by-side.
P.S.
You may not really know, but almost all Technics/ clothes/ auto/ sport the goods have rarely advertised quality gradients (probably almost an analogue of the Soviet quality control department).

- Grade "A"- always goes on sale at retail Europe, USA and some other elite countries.

- Grade "FROM"is, in fact, a second-rate product, that is, a particular specimen has not passed the quality indicators that grade" A ".
Sent to all other countries with insolvent demand.

Here is a Liebherr that you buy in Europe will be (not even close in terms of quality) to what you buy here.
vatruska
Tanyusha, +10000
What we are talking about, now they do not look at the quality, now they look at the turnover. It is not beneficial for anyone if the technique works for a long time. It should only work until the end of the warranty period, and then the buyer will have to buy a new one.
Kirks
Liebcher had problems with lock-rings, but when changing supplier they solved this problem. This defect is absent in Liebcher no frost. Liebcher's service changes the refrigerator without any problems in the event of a leak. You were correctly answered that the defect can be found in any brand. And do not slander Samsung, their plastic quality is normal. Bosch has fast and quality service. Everywhere you can find pros and cons, do not praise one brand so categorically and scold others. And the point is to breed demagoguery about what is sold in Europe and the States? I have a Liebherr refrigerator, no complaints, quiet, perfectly freezes and cools. Before him, Samsung was also happy. Everyone chooses to their taste and wallet, and then how lucky.
strawberry
My friend Liebherr has 5 years, and I have 4 years ... and are satisfied. And Minsk trumpeted for 25 years and left for the dacha
Buyer14
Kirks
You understood me wrong.
I just choose to choose from:
- "BSH Bosch und Siemens Hausgerate GmbH",
- "Sharp",
or
- "PANASONIC".

may be "Toshiba".

All others are not. Never Sasung, Liebherr, Lies and other current Indesites and Atlanteans.

It is critically important for me that the refrigeration unit is on the compressor "PANASONIC"/ "MATSUSHITA", R600a.
Buyer14
Quote: Kirks
[...] but when they changed the supplier, they solved this problem.

What can I say ...
... fresh giving, but hard to believe!
olga0101
What can you say about this Siemens KG49NSW21R refrigerator?
Can anyone have a similar one?
I like the design to fit into my new kitchen.
like everything else - I don't even know.
Tanyusha
olga0101, I have Siemens for 2 years, but not so fancy, but simple, very happy with it. But I have another refrigerator Toshiba GR-RG59FRD GU, I have it for 4 years, I am also not overjoyed.
olga0101
Tanyusha, and your siemens know frost?
Tanyusha
No Siemens is normal for me, but I have Toshiba know frost.

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