Refrigerator selection

it was difficult to convince my wife that noufrost was not needed. I think so. All the same, you need to wash the refrigerator, but the uncle had almost the same Bosch (KGS39Z45), bought in 2011 and only last week it was decided to wash and defrost it. In my opinion, the boom and general delight from this has passed a long time ago. More details: https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...tion=com_smf&topic=6149.0

Not entirely true. The "boom" on Noufrost did not work. He was not there. Now, as before, everyone produces and is bought by many. Everyone decides for himself. This is a useful thing and I think it will never disappear. Well, unless someone comes up with a better solution.
The volume is "eaten" in the event that it is located with a protrusion in the form of a bulb. Look at the layout at Liebherr - the entire volume of the fan is built into the case itself - without reducing the internal volume in any way, look at least the comparative data of different freezers in terms of volume.
More volume "eats" the evaporator tubes if they run horizontally inside the freezer. It is much more convenient if they are not visible, then the internal volume is used more rationally and there is no danger of their damage when pushing full boxes.
Without a system, Noufrost is done, yes - with a special. coating and special layout. Freezes a little on the side walls. But - the less often there are openings, the less freezes. Therefore, you can take a fridge-freezer noufrost for frequent use of frost. cameras. And separately you can have a freezer, which will store long-playing food for a rare "peek" inside.

songs. You will have to wash the refrigerator anyway, that is, defrost it. I don't see much sense in it.

Why defrost and wash? That's the whole point and ease of use of noufrost. Of course, you need to wipe the boxes themselves, well, or if you accidentally spat it inside. But it doesn't wash, just wipe it.

In the purchased Bosch KGS 39 XL 20 R, I do not observe any evaporator in the refrigerator, unlike Atlanta. But there is a hole for drops on the back wall. Some kind of low frost is declared in it. In general, the uncle decided to wash and defrost the same refrigerator only at the age of 3 years. There was no fur coat on his wall. Rather, out of habit, to wash, then it is necessary to defrost. So I am not upset in the choice.
PS: I called Pitersky Sokol to restore the KShD 126-1 (thermostat and seal of the refrigerating chamber door; the first one is available 560r with a tube as much as 2.5m)), the second on order 2 weeks 600r prepayment, but I will change the color not coincide). What is good about Atlanta, for them everything can always be found and very inexpensive. And if the compressor is also Germany, like mine, then it's generally a fairy tale. You can hardly hear it when it works. That's just it up to + 32C and -18C freezer, and BOSH up to +43 and -32C freezer.

Friends, I don’t know where to rush to see and tell, and the night is ahead, and the brain will explode in a moment ...

In short: Liebherr Ces 40030 refrigerator is a two-compartment, two-compressor.
Today I open the fridge, and there the soup froze, the cottage cheese froze, the milk froze, and then on the list ..... My shock is difficult to convey in words - on the refrigerator door MY STRATEGIC STOCK OF INSULIN !!!!!I was scared to death .... I almost got a stroke ... I didn't have time to freeze, there are no crystals anywhere, maybe I threw myself in time ... Why, when using the camp it is clear whether he is a khan or not ... but it should not be stored at room temperature temperature, and in the withers, while I took it to the basement with the vitriol, but was confused ...

What to do - what could have come up in the hol-ke? Bought in 2005 in M-Video, in the now neighboring city.How to fix this (I never had to go somewhere to fix refrigerators) The freezer works according to the regular schedule, it has a separate compressor .... Wait a minute, they unloaded the cold, warm it up, dry it, then turn it on with a street thermometer inside with the hope of a miracle .... They are taken for repairs in such cases, or the master is called, or what, or how ... well, at least what needs to be done ...

I'm finishing it .... in the refrigerator, even in the pockets on the door, the temperature is up to minus 4 degrees, on the shelves - up to minus 15 ... after moving to live in a small town after Rostov, I'm shocked and don't know where to go ... . eh, Liebherr, Liebherr .....

[Boyaka's cat]

Boyaka's catIt looks like the thermostat has died, call the wizard with a detailed description of the symptoms. In principle, it is being renovated.

from what amount should be prepared for such a repair, well, at least approximately? I am now a warrior alone in the field, my husband has a high temperature for three days (put him in the refrigerator or something? And both will benefit ... this is my black humor from despair ...)

Nastya! When Liebherr died, I was offered to change the thermostat, somewhere around 7000 thousand rubles plus work, and replacing the engine is about 15 thousand. It is very expensive to maintain.

[Boyaka's cat]

Boyaka's catIn St. Petersburg, we have a replacement thermostat 600-1500 rubles, a thermostat 350-1500 rubles.

[Boyaka's cat]

Boyaka's cat, Write a more accurate model of the chill. It looks like you have a model with a thermal sensor, then repair is more expensive.

Yeah, replacement of the thermal sensor 6100 re.

[Vasilica]

Vasilica, There is an alternative, the sensor is 145-250 rubles + a master with hands somewhere in 2000 rubles, or you can find it for a box of beer

[sazalexter]

sazalexter,
I would write the model more precisely, only with such bukofkami I also have Yandex nifiga does not find ... He purchases in 2005, maybe still a German, and therefore there is no complete match ... Liebherr Ces 40030 index 20 b \ 210 this is what is written on the sticker in the refrigerator ...

[Boyaka's cat]

Boyaka's cat, Evaporator sensor 9590088 Danfoss EKS 211 analog known problem 🔗
🔗 info for the master 🔗 🔗 sensor 🔗 original 🔗

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, the ad master came, took off the control panel, tested something there with some kind of pumping device, said after poking - it's some kind of glitch, perhaps, and that it was necessary to unplug it from the socket before turning it back on (I didn't pull it out, just on turned off the control panel) after a malfunction was detected, so that the processor rebooted (two days in a row before the breakdown, the city power was cut down, which could provoke a glitch)
In general, he left. about 10 minutes ago ... I put the thermometers on the shelves, I'm biding my time to understand if it's a glitch or not a glitch .... He said, if it doesn't work, you can change it bypassing the email. control on the mechanics ... So far ... I'm sitting on pins and needles, waiting for the readings of the thermometers ... oh, so at the wrong time it's all ...

[Boyaka's cat]

Boyaka's cat, We are waiting for the result, alteration to mechanics, this is cool purely in Russian ... probably easier than changing the sensor ...

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, Links that you gave, very good. good, I study, and I don't care - repairs are cheap for money ... if you fumble yourself ... and it's quite possible to fix something! ... oh, my husband is not rude in this part, and so am I. .... I will try to give these links to the master ...

and the refrigerator still on pulling out of the socket said - no! on the lower glass shelf it's already minus five ... this one hasn't worked a lot yet ..... will shoot live and not live ...

And there are no handy neighbors-friends?

[Boyaka's cat]

Boyaka's catThat's right, the value of the repair is determined not by the detail, but by knowledge, experience, hands straight and growing from the right place. Look for this.

And there are no handy neighbors-friends?

We have moved to another city for a year ... and here we still know the handy current of plumbers ...

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, my son is not at home .... he finally fixes computers, phones by hand ... 20 years old child .... I think, maybe let him read everything that you dug, can he cope? That master that I was ready to convert to mechanics I had a refrigerator, I probably won't call the second time ... Is it necessary to determine exactly which sensor (which one is needed, suddenly it is important), the serial number of the chill or some other then rewrite the old from the sticker, eh? Well, help the hysterical woman ... I have food and insulin now live in the basement, but I don't go there myself, I'm in a panic lest I break my legs (the basement is in an unfinished annex to the house, there are no human floors, I go there I'm afraid to walk, my son is in another city at work, he will only be back by nightfall, my husband has a severe flu - just nothing at all)

[Boyaka's cat]

Boyaka's cat, The son will handle it, show him the information. I can't say anything about the master. Sometimes you need accurate information on the model number, the serial is not needed.

Boyaka's cat Nastenka, hold on! Let everything get better soon!

[sazalexter,]

sazalexter,
vopchem, my husband called another master ... came ... d I found it, checked it .... It seems that the matter is not in the resistance sensor, it shows normal and adequate according to the tables that are in your links ... The master soldered, just in case, all the adhesions in the part where the electronics are, said that probably more in order to be calm, it's not about them ..... that if not a sensor, then a processor .... some simister-pipisters (I'm afraid to give names, what kind of "-ysters" he called, I mean at the moment I was tired of something like that) ..... vopchem .. if the processor, I'm afraid, it's probably with a whole refrigerator will cost .... until tomorrow morning the timeout, he will call in the morning .... aaaaaaaaaa

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, but in general, to convert it to mechanics (but by the forces of the second master, not the first - the first one is not really something for me ....) - is this even real? or is it nonsense? Is it really possible to leave a freezer on the electronics on your compressor, and somehow make the refrigerator compartment through a thermostat (or whatever it is called) bypassing it? Or is it a theory, but what will happen, does he know him? ... It's just that, of course, a flower bed under the petunias would come out of a wonderful one, but he, a scabaka, is a beautiful stainless steel crap, and a freezer there is roomy and working! ... A lot of money to replace it! email I don't have a brain yet ... to ask my parents again, it's a shame ...

[Boyaka's cat]

Boyaka's cat, The second master is clearly more literate. It is possible to redo it, but it is difficult, it must be discussed with the master. The processor breaks down extremely rarely, triacs .. yes, it happens, a little more often. Typically a sensor. Non-soldering soldered it correctly, with this, as a rule, they begin to repair the electronics unit. Try to find out the block number, let's think together.

how to find it out? block number? ... where to look, where to look? Then the master said something else that you can buy this thing, but you need some kind of "firmware", and there are no specialists in Novoshakhtinsk to make it ....

The sensor ... the sensor seems to be in good working order by kOhm, can't it give more or less similar numbers to the table, if it gags? That is, you can buy the sensor that is under your link - Temperature sensor EKS 211- 165 re well, even plus shipping, this is according to our times and prices, maybe money ... but is it necessary, if the native is working .. ...

[Boyaka's cat]

Boyaka's cat, On the board where the elements are soldered, as a rule, on the side of the large elements, the number is applied with paint in the factory, the number consists of many digits.

[Boyaka's cat]

Boyaka's cat, The firmware is not needed judging by the link 🔗 many elements are checked only by replacement.

I read it, yeah, but this is not only about that model? (there is another one described) I will show the master, he is aged, he is unlikely to find it on the Internet, but adequate and without unnecessary show-off, I hope it will help ...

many elements are checked only by replacement.

this concerns our situation with the sensor, right? that is, do you still need to buy and install a new one? Sorry to be dull ...

Why, we are such specialists with my son ... right now, you will not be glad that you contacted us ...

I write from his owls:
I saw there from the inside (near the regulator of the refrigerating chamber, when viewed from the side of the guts) a sticker with the number 6113 714-00 under the numbers KGT3_04

On the board itself, as the son said, "near a blue-blue, either a transistroa, or a resistor (he does not know what it is), there are large numbers 5480 .... for sure it's not that, there are not enough numbers of something .... Damn it, you can see it, maybe tomorrow the master will look if he pulls out the board .. it is on some latches on all sides .... the son is splitting, he would not have nailed something

A gray rectangular thing there are all sorts of tsiferki .... IEC60 384-14 310Vac 250Vac below R 46 MKP X2 SH below 275VAC below 40 \ 110 \ 56 B L T6 GA23015 This is us like a Kazakh akyn with good- "I see sho. I sing"



if these pictures have at least some meaning, I can punch better with a camera in the morning - my son was shooting from the ceiling with a communicator ...and probably all this is not that (I mean the numbers that we saw enough) .....

[Boyaka's cat]

Boyaka's cat, It's all wrong, the control unit looks something like this (Bosch chill)

here is something similar to just on the back of the board from my photo, I saw it when the master soldered, but he snapped it back afterwards ... but we did not dare to pick it out with my son, fearing to break the latches ..... Master I drove in today, took this part in the morning, will inform us whether they found a new processor and for how much, and we will think .... well, at least I managed to buy a two-meter freezer in Saratov in the fall, otherwise Liebherr is now completely turned off, and the bottom and top , without brains ...

[Boyaka's cat]

Boyaka's cat, OK we will wait.

[LG GA-B489]

Due to technical work on the site, everything that was discussed yesterday disappeared. I repeat the question: in the process of choosing a refrigerator, I stopped at this model LG GA-B489 BVCA
Total volume 394 l
Bottom freezer type
Defrosting system (Fridge compartment) No Frost
Defrosting system (Freezer) No Frost
Control type Electronic
Super freezing Yes
Short description
Two-compartment refrigerator with a bottom freezer compartment. The total volume is 394 liters. The total useful volume is 360 liters. The useful volume of the refrigerating chamber is 255 liters. Freezer volume 105 l. Control type: electronic. Overall dimensions (HxWxD) 200 x 59.5 x 68.5 cm. Energy consumption class - A. Climatic class SN-T (designed for operation at ambient temperatures from + 10 ° C to + 43 ° C). Freezing capacity up to 9 kg / day. Defrosting the refrigerator and freezer chambers - LG Total No Frost technology. Super freeze. Temperature indication. Multi-flow cooling "Multi-Air-Flow". LG Total No Frost System. Indoor LED touch display with locking function. Open door signal. Moist Balance Crisper lid for optimal moisture management. Antibacterial sealant "BioShield". Reversible doors. Weight 85 kg. White colour.



At night we stopped at that? that LG has a persistent smell. Today I will sniff specially, but I don’t know how much refrigerator in the exhibition hall.
There was also a proposal to consider electrolux and samsungs. For electric suites, the price exceeds my capabilities even for small models. My husband is for Samsung, but the sizes that suit me are not satisfied with the price. But today I'll take a closer look.
In general, I am still ready for dialogue with you and will be glad to have any opinions.
Yesterday I outlined 4 models and according to reviews on the internet I was left alone .. People, I am waiting and hope for your help (but the point is that I am falling on my knees and asking for help)

[Giraffe]

Giraffe, We continue the conversation, there are few options, "in the absence of a stamp, we write in simple" (C) Look carefully at the showcase of LG and Samsung, compare. And Bosch was not considered? 🔗

As soon as we decided that we were going to choose a refrigerator, my husband said that we should pay attention to Bosch and Samsung. Bosch was only in one place and small. At the moment, this Samsung RB31FERNDWW attracts at least a little less LV, but they are in the same store and compared on the spot. I hope that the Chief will transfer to this world of discussion from that and there more detailed information about him. But for the first time I saw Liebherr with us, somehow did not impress, the model did not remember.

Samsung RB31FERNDWW is a good refrigerator, especially the assembly Poland. Find out how Samsung service relates to the repair of burnt boards due to surges, some do not consider this a warranty case. Liebherr is one of the best brands. His appearance is simple, but this is a German classic, everything is just nothing superfluous. Bosch, Samsung, Siemens, Sharp are good brands. But unfortunately you cannot be 100% insured, any equipment can break down.

We give guarantees only for factory defects, everything else is non-warranty cases. So due to the power surge, repairs are at their own expense. Or applying to energy services, but this is dull. Not so long ago, at half of the street, all the equipment burned out and then, they were able to get out.
This Samsung said the assembly is Chinese. The other model next to it is Korean.But it’s safer to check whose one, I didn’t think of it. Lzh, which I initially looked after, one of the Kazakh assembly, in another store of the same Russian network. And both are the only copies from the hall and with dents. And even inside, on the door. We dropped this option.
Liebcher was not impressed not with his appearance, but with his parameters. And if you have problems with them in the repair, then we have even more so .... So it's better not to risk it.

Tanechka, I don't know how it is now, but 10 years ago I bought a Korean-assembled washing machine. Thank God it's still working! It has never been repaired. I had such distrust of the Korean assembly and it turned out that I was worried in vain

Oh, what was then and now are two big differences. And the refrigerator. that I just looked at the Chinese assembly. Damn, at least again to the store and watch whose assembly itself. It may turn out to be Polish.

[Tatyana]

Tatyana, How is it going?

We stopped at Samsung RB31FERNDWW, they should bring it today.

Congratulations! Let it serve for many years!

And the refrigerator. that I just looked at the Chinese assembly. Damn, at least again to the store and watch whose assembly itself. It may turn out to be Polish.

So the Chinese worker is much more conscientious than ours and the Polish. If I have to choose among only this, I would rather take China.
No wonder Zadornov talks about our jokers, throwing an "extra" part to the German assemblers, and then they begin to disassemble and assemble in a new way.
We will forget to put the compressor, it will do. Look at how the equipment, the production capacity of which was transferred to us, has gone bad.

Backfill question, what is the normal temperature in the refrigerator and freezer compartments? I have, by default, 19 and 3. My friend has 14 and 2, I have no lower than 15.
And I didn't understand something about the freshness zone, whether I have it or not. There are three types of electronic panels in the instructions, but one like mine does not have the necessary button. I continue to study the instructions.

[Tatyana]

Tatyana, take a picture inside, then let's say for sure whether you have a freshness zone or not. My refrigerator has -18 and +3.

And no refrigerator will ever have the same and stable temperature. Take, if possible, a thermometer with memory for min and max values.
The temperature at the bottom and top of the refrigerator and freezer compartments will vary. When the compressor is turned on and off, the same is different, when the door is opened and closed ..... Setting the numbers on the panel is a very rough indicator. The difference reaches several degrees.

Finally, I got speed. In general, now I am conducting a temperature experiment. And the photo inside, please. Then I'll make it more cultured. This was done immediately after installation for my grandmother.

They said that there is a freshness zone and pointed to the box. He even showed which button to turn on. only I did not understand anything at home where and what.
The temperature in the refrigerator has not yet dropped below 4. It remains to check the very top. This is when set to 3

[Tatyana]

Tatyana, the drawer located at the bottom of the refrigerating chamber, in my opinion, is for vegetables, and not the freshness zone ...
And my daughter is a beauty! (mmm)