Ivan-tea "Fluffy" (from immature seed bolls)

Thank you all for your warm welcome. You have no idea how glad I am to talk about Ivan-tea, otherwise on the network, by and large, only the general recipe scheme is laid out, and here you share your secrets. I also wanted to share, but I read the topic, I'm still a child here, what experience? Everything is already known, it turns out, and you can't invent a wheel

[Veleslog]

Veleslog, we all study here, but we do not hide secrets either.
Once again, I strongly recommend reading about the "rustic" tea from garden leaves, after Ivanushka it is the coolest!
Girls, give me a link!

[Veleslog]

Veleslog, look at the page just below, where the page numbers are, "home cellar" will be written, press and all tea topics will come out. I don't know how to give links, it probably won't work from the phone.

Thank you, I saw all the topics, you can't read it here, I will enjoy the long winter evenings and in the spring, only you saw my tail in the taiga)))

in the spring, only you saw my tail in the taiga)))

only you saw my tail in the taiga)))

After these words, Veleslog was formed immediately for me. Have you read the books of Georgy Sidorov? Now for me his hero is called Veleslog.

What reviews on "Fuzzy" are there, who brewed after dry fermentation?

[elena kadiewa]

elena kadiewa, Helen! I just sat gourmet yesterday.
I haven't opened the jar for more than a month, yesterday I opened it ... the smell changed, it became somehow "deeper", it smells ... according to my feelings, meadow flowers of the end of the hot summer ... plus honey. I brewed with water from a thermopot, for myself I concluded that you still need to brew as Lyudochka said - with boiling water and insist wrapped up. I brewed it several times - and each brew is good in its own way!
And my main conclusion on this year's Tea is definitely Fuzzy and Maisky (well, Derevensky, of course).

Ndaaa, I described it very tasty, Helen the cat!
But for me all the same, the favorites are simply Ivan-tea!

Well, it seems to me that each of our Tea has a place to "be", this naturally also has Vanya's taste, but some kind of special one!
I made green, so there is also the taste of Ivan-tea.
So our tea-making season is from May to October to collect ... well, then who has how to develop in terms of raw materials!

[lappl1]

lappl1, and how did I miss this miracle in the summer? Bookmark - definitely !!!!

Hello dear tea makers! And this year nobody makes furry yet? And then I already did it several times, maybe early: girl_wink: Maybe it will be better later?

[Irina M]

Irina M, no, the sooner you do, the better. From later boxes, the tea will smell like bread. So do while they are young and tender.

Hello dear tea makers! I decided to join your ranks!
Yesterday I was picking up some Ivan-tea. I tried to do it according to the recommendations. Many questions immediately arose. Chief among them, have I overwhelmed the leaves? When compressed into a ball, they did not crumble and the vein did not crunch, but! curled up into "cigars" reluctantly. There was little juice, or rather there was almost no juice at all, just some moisture was felt. We have very hot, dry weather, probably, this should have been taken into account when drying, since the leaves are low-water by themselves? The second question is, what size should the cigars be, their diameter, well, the thickness, that is? Question three, the weight of the cargo? How to define it, so as not to flatten the mass?
I would be very grateful if someone finds an opportunity to answer.

[mironirina]

mironirina, Irina, Welcome!
Well, I don’t make loose leaf tea, so I can’t advise anything.The exception is macho, but there the leaves are young and knead well.
Now they will wake up (the time is different for all of us!) And prompt. In the meantime, go to the topic of Ivan tea and look at the links on page 1.

[elena kadiewa]

elena kadiewa, Lena, I already realized that I put the message on the wrong topic, but I don’t know how to transfer it (One hope for the moderators, eh ...
What is macho?

[mironirina]

mironirina, Irina, hello!

Many questions immediately arose. Chief among them, have I overwhelmed the leaves? When compressed into a ball, they did not crumble and the vein did not crunch, but! curled up into "cigars" reluctantly.

Irina, it is difficult to overheat the leaves, unless it is not hot at all ... But to twist the rolls is very difficult. Therefore, most people make granulated tea.
I can advise you to make a ruble - a device for grinding leaves (there is a link for it in the Notes) or knead the leaves like dough (the description is in the recipe). I personally cannot twist the rolls (there is not enough strength in my hands), but kneading or processing with a ruble is easy. Try it.

There was little juice, or rather there was almost no juice at all, just some moisture was felt.

And the juice should not drip. There should be humidity, as you wrote, and the leaves should darken.

We have very hot, dry weather, probably, this should have been taken into account when drying, since the leaves are low-water by themselves?

Of course, this must be taken into account. But try fabric drying, as the recipe says. Then they definitely won't wrap ...

what size should cigars be, their diameter, well, thickness, i.e.?

It doesn't matter. Thick and long, you are unlikely to twist your hands. but with the ruble it turns out very well. The main thing is that the leaves are completely moistened and darkened from the juice. Hands you are unlikely to make fat. So do it as it turns out - it won't affect the result.

Question three, the weight of the cargo? How to define it, so as not to flatten the mass?

The more the better - don't overload, don't worry ... No matter how the opposite happens ... We need to create a very dense layer so that the anaerobic bacteria are comfortable there. And if the rolls lie loose, then they (bacteria) will die, since they carry out their activity (fermentation) only in the absence of air. Try to cut the rolls before fermentation - it will be better this way ...

What is macho?

Irina, this tea is like that ... Carefully read the links in the notes to the Ivan tea recipe. It is not difficult for me to give you a link to "Italian Macho Hair Tea", but I see that you are not very familiar with the recipe yet. So check out the list of links. There are answers to many questions, including which you now asked.

I already realized that I put the message on the wrong topic, but I don't know how to transfer it (One hope for the moderators, eh ...

Irina, that's okay ... I won't postpone your message, otherwise it will be under my name. And those who make ivan tea drop into this topic. But I will duplicate mine in the Ivan-tea theme so that you can continue the dialogue there.

[lappl1]

lappl1, Hello! And thank you very much! Information - the sea, you know, be formed!) I'll read everything, of course. I had to ask the question, because they collected the sheet, but did not study the materiel. And time is running out, the leaf dries. In addition, the heat is terrible, under +40.

[Irina]

:Irina, it's okay, someone will always answer.
BUT!
Learn the recipe by heart, 4 basic rules: dry, twist, ferment, dry. (Otherwise the author of the recipe won't put it, it's strict with us!)

On Sunday we went to the chenika berry, four of us. On the way I saw Ivanushka in the distance at the edge of the forest. We collected blueberries. On the way back, I stopped at Ivanushka (I was driving, who will forbid me?))) I tell my companions: I’ll go quickly to pick Ivan-tea. Well, in general, they offered to help me. Four minutes and I have four OOO Huge armfuls of Ivan-tea stems, 60-70 cm each, along with boxes, flowers and tops.Mamadaragaya !!! I shout: STOP !!! STOP!!! ENOUGH !!! Well, what to do with it? Already ripped off, mlyn ... I dragged everything home.
And now, 3.3 kg of dried raw materials



these are just boxes, yesterday I was engaged in White and Pink, today Fuzzy twisted the first batch and fermented, tomorrow I’ll take care of the second batch, and then the leaves separately ... Ndya ...
Moral: Don't go girls get married with assistants behind Cyprus

Ndaaaa ... everything is fine, but how can I imagine processing! ...
Silushki to you, Natus!

Thank you Lenochka.
I'm just happy. I wilted everything and stuffed it into the refrigerator in sheets and bags. Now I take it out and recycle
And I also found thyme in the forest, collected it too, but this time there is simply no time to ferment, here I would have to deal with Ivan. Dried in seasoning.

And now, 3.3 kg of dried raw materials

is that much for a puss?
and I tried to collect these sticks, but I didn't really like it. Can also pick stalks, and disassemble at home, what-where
we bloom very unevenly, it is impossible to sniff

Do not go girls to marry with helpers for Cyprus

Is it possible to attract these assistants at home?

is that much for a puss?

Yes, Lida, these are only boxes and already dried, I do 1: 1 with a sheet, and another sheet will remain 2 kilograms with a tail, also dried. And how many there were at once and I don't know, there was no time to weigh)))

Is it possible to attract these assistants at home?

Nope, two at work, and one in another city

Added on Tuesday 05 Jul 2016 07:16 PM

Here White-pink this time turned out less, and with flowers. Already dried, aroma mmmmm ..

these are only boxes and already dried, I do 1: 1 with a leaf, and another sheet will remain 2 kilograms with a tail, also dried.

- all good fellows

Nope, two at work, and one in another city

and I have one assistant next to me, but he says, do your own "grass"
so I'm doing, if only no one interferes
Natasha, do you advise collecting the way you did it? and I'm afraid to miss the collection time too.
I tried, as Luda taught, with a bunch, but it didn’t work out fine

Here White-pink this time turned out less, and with flowers. Already dried, aroma mmmmm ..

agree, amazing flavor, especially when dried and fermented

Natasha, do you advise collecting the way you did it?

Express method.
A bit vandal in my opinion, but it saves time in the field. Usually I take my time and collect the grass with feeling, sensibly, with arrangement, but there was no time for relaxation. On the eve of our excursion into the forest-fields, a rainstorm interrupted and I, returning to the dacha, looked with sad eyes at the thickets of Ivanushka passing by. I could have gone to the village completely idle, I didn't have to choose.
But based on the fact that everything went into business except the stems (very tough), it is better to tear like this than to remain completely without Ivanushka.

I have a suspicion (or hope?) That the white-pink will be as vigorous as the fluffy and will not leave a lot of it, since the fluffy in teas during brewing added a bit for strength and astringency, I still have it with last year.

[Natalo4-ka]

They are teasing here, you know - Fuzzy ... White-pink ... ... At least don't go into Ivan-tea themes ...
Natalo4-ka, congratulations on your successful hunt for Vanechka! I can imagine what scents you have in your house ...
space, Lida, maybe you are picking the wrong bouquet? It seems to me that it is easier than the boxes, nothing is going - zip from the bottom up, and the bundle in hand. And to drag an armful of stems to your home - this needs helpers, like Natalochka.

A bit vandal in my opinion, but it saves time in the field.

Natalochka, and not at all vandal. At this point, a lot of stems will grow. Then go to this clearing at the end of August-September. Still young Vanechka you collect + tops for white and pink.

maybe you are picking the wrong bouquet?

I did everything as you, Luda, taught,
apparently this is not my option for collecting, I have a bouquet with all the upper "offal", but there are so many crawling
but I will try again

Thank you, Lyudochka, yes, there are fragrances all over the street, not just around the house. But don't worry, here you will divorce Vanyusha and in a year or so you will invent new recipes for us

Natalochka, and not at all vandal. At this point, a lot of stems will grow. Then go to this clearing at the end of August-September. Still young Vanechka you collect + tops for white and pink.

Lyudochka, I noticed this already last year, the site with Ivashka was mowed, and then in September I used the young growth as intended. And this year, especially in May, I broke off all Ivan's bushes on one of the sites, of which, by the way, I have Italian macho hair and just Ivancha turned out. And now I look there on the way, like an agronomist, I check the growth of the young

[space]

I have a bouquet with all the upper "guts", and there are so many crawling

space, Lida, and what kind of "giblets" are there above, except for the flowers, if any? I, along with flowers and ditch, if any. Strange, I have never had any creeping - pure willow tea plantations. Only sometimes snails were found on the leaves. But during withering, I caught them all. and the boxes were always clean. Even when they started pushing.

And this year, especially in May, I broke off all Ivan's bushes on one of the sites

Natalochka, but you did the right thing. In the year before last, in July, a neighbor mowed a whole meadow with a tractor. So in September Anyuta73, who came to the village from Moscow, rejoiced like a child. She did not have time to prepare Ivan tea on time. And then she had such a gift - a young blooming Ivan-tea.

[lappl1]

lappl1, Lyudochka. tell me. you are welcome. Is the "fluffy" m "ivan tea" of their leaves better to ferment less or longer? I put it on fermentation at 17 o'clock, now I think to start drying in the evening tonight or tomorrow in the morning

[Mila1]

Mila1, Lyudochka, I ferment any tea no more than 6 - 8 hours. And lately it has begun to ferment in general for 3 - 5 hours. I like this tea more. As always, you need to target the strongest flavor. The Fuzzy also obeys this rule. I would dry today. And you decide what is more convenient for you.

I made all 3 types of tea, from leaves, from boxes and from tops, the benefit of raw materials in bulk. I'm not happy with all three so far. It was not possible to focus on the strongest smell, because there was a strong and pleasant smell (prunes) only BEFORE fermentation. After fermentation, the smell almost disappeared, and after drying, all three teas smell like just dried herbs. No pleasant 'aromas' came out

Girls, if there are many flowers in the fluffy, will not taste bitter. Family boxes just appeared and gathered together with flowers

[Barquentine]

Girls, if there are many flowers in the fluffy, will not taste bitter. The seed pods have just appeared and gathered together with the flowers

Barquentine, so it's great! Make it with flowers - the tea will be even better. In the photo, I also have enough flowers.

After fermentation, the smell almost disappeared, and after drying, all three teas smell like just dried herbs. No pleasant 'aromas' came out

katyaspb, Katya, first of all, it's too early to judge tea. Dry fermentation must be given to him. Secondly, I cannot say why this tea turned out. You gave us too little information. You can say none at all. Please follow the link and answer the questions that are written there. only for all questions ... Everyone is very important.
Tea problems. What should be done to find the error?
And it is desirable to read this.
For a beginner. The correct approach to making the first tea (* Anyuta *)

Girls, what if some of the boxes opened up during drying? Should I choose them?

[mironirina]

mironirina, Irina, how could they open up? Didn't you twist the boxes in a meat grinder and dry like this?
Or do you mean withering? If withering, then you can choose. But if you don't choose, nothing terrible will happen - they will chew with others.

Irina, something confused with the terms or technology?

[lappl1]

lappl1, Luda, I decided to try to make it leafy, there is a 1: 2 ratio with leaves. I kneaded it very well, fermented for 10 hours, but I did not get such a smell, as in the crushed one. When I began to dry, I realized my mistake. Still, it was necessary to cut it at least after fermentation. It turned out to be a huge tousled heap. But the color of the tea leaves is black. And among them are white half-fluffed ones. It won't be difficult to choose them, but is it necessary?
Luda, can you now crush this tea a little to lose volume? I'm just at a loss, I don't know where to put it.

[mironirina]

mironirina, Irina, after all, you shouldn't have processed the boxes in a meat grinder. It is unlikely that you will get the result you are counting on. And this fluff too ... Now you will have it all over the house ... Boxes are not leaves ... Nobody ever makes such tea except Grachev ... Nobody has worked out the technology. But I suspect that the boxes are not for loose tea, primarily because of the fluff ... I don't think you can easily remove fluff from the finished tea ... Try to make Fuzzy granulated 1: 1 with leaves. The process is very simple, and the result will please. And the volume will be insignificant. And, of course, you can crush it ... I also don't know where to put it ... You can put it in 3-liter jars, if any ..

[mironirina]

mironirina, only a meat grinder needs to be done, there even if the fluff comes out, then when twisted it will connect with everything else and there will be no fluff. And you don't have to do a lot of it, it turns out to be too tart and rich, even for me, a lover of strong and once-brewed tea. Well, in fact, everyone has different concepts of "a lot, a little", I have it from last year.

Girls, thank you very much for your answers! A negative experience is also an experience! But the half that was ground is good. Just great seagulls! Whole leaf brewed. Those boxes that have not opened are intact in the tea. I'll choose the fluff!)
In the spring I did a general cleaning, gave my husband a few tin boxes of tea in the garage under the bolts. She demanded to return!

[bread]

tea will be bread smell

The aroma of fresh corn bread for fireweed is it like normal? after all, he has one of the many names - breadbasket. I am guided by this smell when drying, it does not go into the tea leaves, in any case, I did not notice it.

[vlek]

vlek, yes, from more mature boxes tea with a bread smell is obtained. I didn't have such a smell from immature ones. And one of the names of the breadbox, apparently, is given due to the fact that flour was made from the roots of Ivan tea and bread was baked.

[ate flour]

from the roots of ivan-chai date flour and baked bread

not flour, the roots of fireweed were ground to a consistency powder and was used to make bread as an additive like malt. Black bread as opposed to white at once enters the upper zone of the oven with a high temperature (so that the surface is roasted and a crust forms), and the "ethereal" aroma of the corn appears. Similarly, with fireweed, there is a certain catalyst in it, it helps to decompose amino acids into aldehydes and get, in addition to the actual "tip" odors (glutamic acid gives flower, phenylalanic acid - pink, aspartic acid - apple ..), and "bread" when T about 100gr. and the aroma of the cornmeal it was used in baked goods.

Girls and someone else mixed white pink and fluffy when grinding. And can the stems be used. I picked the tops with stems, flowers and seed pods. The stalks are tough. I read about fiber Ivan tea, but there about delicate stems.

Hello good people! There are probably no others here. Oh, and you write deliciously about tea! I would run into the forest right now! Only there is no weather, rain! But such a recipe was discovered, a special thank you for sharing it, many hide such things! So you are a good person with a capital letter!

Added on Friday 15 Jul 2016 06:08 AM

I have never registered on the forums, but here it is a sin to pass by!

[Barquentine]

Barquentine, Nataliya, try it! Try everything! Then you will tell.The fuzzy after dry fermentation is sooooo saturated, you need to add it a few granules, we don't know yet what it will be like after aging (I have a suspicion that it is also saturated!), But the mixture ... experiment e! And tough stems, no, don't.
Alexandra, join us! It's not raining all the time, there are gaps, collect, just let it dry longer. We also only have no rain for 2 days, but I manage.

I’m sinking today, perhaps, for Ivanushka with boxes ...

Added Monday 18 Jul 2016 08:27 AM

The third version of tea is fermented from capsules and leaves in a 1: 1 ratio.

The question is ripe - the ratio by weight or by volume? Or whatever!

Narwhal fireweed with branches ... where it grows with us, around the grass is impassable mixed with nettles, the height of the top of my head, and in the center is a huge clump of fireweed ... It was scary to climb into the thick of it, from the edge it reached out. How I raked it back ... I thought I would stay there ... it's hot, horseflies bite, in one hand a heavy basket, in the other - the dwarf poodle Dasha under the armpit. What you can't do for the sake of delicious tea, and there will be something to remember in winter. I'm going to rip it off now.

[Yanka]

Yanka, I now climbed on the once cleared and now abandoned dacha, where the trees were raked into a huge heap, the height of ten meters and the thickets of ivanushki with all kinds of grass. I was picking up the tops. I wonder what the drivers passing by were thinking? A little white kerchief that appears, then disappears ... my husband forbade me to climb there, at the beginning of summer I fell into a hole, got tattered like ... but my husband is on watch, and the forbidden fruit ... but my three-year-old German deserted from there, and I ...
We're really nuts!