Masinen
In general, 95 does not splash, I have one)
4.4 the germanium assembly and coating is very resistant. I would buy it as a gift)
spring
Quote: Masinen

In general, 95 does not splash, I have one)
4.4 the germanium assembly and coating is very resistant. I would buy it as a gift)
Masha, how did you determine the coverage of 4.4? With my friend 4.4 and 95, we did not find any differences in coverage.
Masinen
I did not determine)) this is according to information from representatives of the staff.
At 4.4, the coating is resistant to damage, and at 95, the coating is softer.
When we were at the master class, we discussed grills there. There were just these two models)
spring
It is a pity that they do not endow all their grills with one good quality. Thank you, but we already felt them, and turned them around ... At the next forum I read that the coating did not peel off, but it began to stick, why is this and how to fight? How are you, Masha?
Now I bought a donut maker and I think how long will this cover be enough? Smaile got it, Ves wanted.
Masinen
Nothing sticks to the coating. All OK)
And it began to stick at 95?
I also have a smiley donut miker) I bought it last winter, for a year already)) well, the coverage is so average)
And then I bought another donut, but from a different company. Serbia does, so they have very good coverage, but it also cost more)
Masinen
It will stick, from the fact that the non-stick property of the coating is violated.
Only from what did it lose its properties? I know that you cannot wash the plates in the dishwasher, as the non-stick properties are lost.
Yes, Admin-Tatiana has 95 grills, and she hasn't complained about the coating for a long time.
zhariks
I also have a 95 grill.
It is really hard to clean, especially in the holes of the bottom plate. Stickiness is a subjective concept. I would call it sticky, and it was so from the beginning. But this is more likely not a matter of covering, but of a ribbed-and-leaky relief. Smooth plates are much easier to clean. I had no other grills, there is nothing to compare with. It's not a fact that pg4.4 will be better cleaned up.
In general, I spat, decided - I will wash in the dishwasher. In the end, Tefalev pans, sandwich makers, deep fryer - all mine in the dishwasher, and no problem. Well, if something happens, you can also give it to replace the coating somewhere.
Mar_k
I have 4.4, the coating does not stick. Here I fried cutlets obsalyutno without breading, everything is ok, wonderfully prepared, instantly jumped into the plates, did not have to rip off! Fried meat, fish, everything is fine! Mine after frying, especially after meat and fish with the help of Amveevsky means (for ovens and Zoom) and I have a brush with plastic bristles - it washes quickly and well, it is washed in all places, but where is the waffle iron! I did not observe splashes !!! I do not pour oil at all!
Admin
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I also have a 95 grill.
It is really hard to clean, especially in the holes of the bottom plate.

Are you talking about the staff 95?
I cannot say that it is difficult to wash. It all depends on the accumulated good from above, how long they used it.
In any case, immediately after cooking, cooling the plates, I remove them and into the sink, pour warm water, hold a little and rinse with dishwashing detergent, use a regular sponge with a rough side. I have never even used brushes, and it washes so well
I did not notice any problems
spring
Tanya, I bought sponges for Teflon dishes, rough on one side, I think that this side is just for Teflon, but the trouble is, I can't dare wash this rough side, I'm afraid of damaging mine with that soft side. I'm surprised you wash so boldly. Does this mean it is safe to cover?
I don’t save up, according to your advice I bought thick sponges, I rub off the hot plates.
Admin
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Tanya, I bought sponges for Teflon dishes, rough on one side, I think that this side is just for Teflon, but the trouble is, I can’t dare wash this rough side, I’m afraid to damage mine with that soft side. I'm surprised you wash so boldly. Does this mean it is safe to cover?
I don’t save up, I bought thick sponges on your advice, I rub off the hot plates.

This is basically soft sponges and are designed for washing dishes, pots, teflon. I do not wash with metal sponges and until the surface of the coatings is wiped off. And if the burnt oils and food residues are slightly soaked in a dishwashing solution in hot (only 5-10 minutes), then the dirt perfectly leaves either side of the sponge. But the rough side washes better, it has such a structure.

Why be surprised and afraid? I am not an enemy of my dishes, my technique and my money, in order to buy, pay dearly, and then spoil with my own hands. I am observant of dishwashing detergents, sponges and powders with liquid. I read the labels, try to clean a piece myself on the device and analyze what happens in the end.

Do you think a dishwasher will do better? And what is in dishwashing detergents not such an aggressive environment as to wash with a rough sponge? It only seems so! The products are aggressive, the dishes are whitish, with a bloom, they are not completely washed off, sometimes cracks appear on the dishes, and scuffs on the dishes. It's just that in the dishwasher there is no contact with the dishes, as with manual washing - and the means do their job, and sometimes very aggressively
zhariks
Quote: Admin

Are you talking about the staff 95?
I cannot say that it is difficult to wash. It all depends on the accumulated good from above, how long they used it.
In any case, immediately after cooking, cooling the plates, I remove them and into the sink, pour warm water, hold a little and rinse with dishwashing detergent, use a regular sponge with a rough side. I have never even used brushes, and it washes so well
I did not notice any problems
Yes, about the staff 95. I don’t accumulate a lot of good, mine right after cooking. But firstly, I have nowhere to soak, and secondly, in the corners between the ribs it is hard to crawl with a sponge. And if it gets on the inside through the holes, it’s not really possible to crawl there. In general, everything itself is not washed, it is necessary to carry out with a sponge on each edge separately on both sides.
archivik
Quote: Masinen

In general, 95 does not splash, I have one)
4.4 the germanium assembly and coating is very resistant. I would buy it as a gift)
Thank you! Now I examined the model range in more detail and I am not sure at all (I think I can do without a smooth surface ... And 95 more looks cumbersome, but in life, as I understand it, more than 4.4 ...
Mar_k
4.4 it is narrower and longer, and a little narrower in thickness, you can put it, and not keep it in a horizontal position. There are plates for Waffles, which is convenient, you can bake pancakes, bake waffles, and scrambled eggs (at 95, the same is possible)!
You first flip through, there is a lot of cooking, both at 95 and 4.4
zhariks
By the way, yes, in terms of storage, 95 is not very good. Its design assumes a permanent installation. You can't put it vertically, but horizontally it takes up a lot of space. It is not very convenient to transfer, since add. the plate and the pallet are not fixed inside by anything and can easily fall out when carrying. Idea with special By the way, I initially liked the pallet, but now not very much. The fat flowing into the pan is very fry there - you will be tortured to wash. Or it is necessary to fence the foil there. The holes in the bottom plate are difficult to clean. And at 4.4 he put the plate on the side, then he just threw the plate into the dishwasher and that's it!
So now it would probably be better to take 4.4
archivik
Almost close to the goal) I've seen enough, I already want any and as soon as possible! And I also looked at the barbecue grill topic, and it's quiet there, and I'm already comparing PG 4.4 and VG200. Both are vertically stored! And this glass cover beckons ... No one had any experience with it? And the last question, when the grill is working, is it possible to open the lid during cooking and grease the ribs with sauce, for example.It seemed to me that it was possible with a glass lid, but not with a contact lid, but I could be wrong ..
Admin
Quote: zhariks

Yes, about the staff 95. I don’t accumulate a lot of good, mine right after cooking. But firstly, I have nowhere to soak, and secondly, in the corners between the ribs it is hard to crawl with a sponge. And if it gets on the inside through the holes, it’s not really possible to crawl there. In general, everything itself is not washed, it is necessary to carry out with a sponge on each edge separately on both sides.

Well, tk, and pots with baking trays do not wash themselves, even in the dishwasher
Each of us has a different approach to cleaning and cleaning - I have no problems, I take it for granted that "I ate, then I need to wash"
spring
Quote: archivik

Almost close to the goal) I've seen enough, I already want any and as soon as possible! And I also looked at the barbecue grill topic, and it's quiet there, and I'm already comparing PG 4.4 and VG200. Both are vertically stored! And this glass cover beckons ... No one had any experience with it? And the last question, when the grill is working, is it possible to open the lid during cooking and grease the ribs with sauce, for example. It seemed to me that it was possible with a glass cover, but not with a contact one, but I could be wrong ..
In a contact grill, everything can be opened during cooking, shifted (I like to make a drawing in a box), grease, water, report, bake on both sides at the same time.
Admin
Quote: spring

Tatiana-Admin, thank you! I will be bolder, otherwise I clean the plates with caution. I don't wash them in the dishwasher.

Lenus, good health!
I picked up a package of sponges from stocks: the package says "Dish sponge. Two-layer: soft layer for delicate washing, hard - for heavy dirt. Material: foam rubber, abrasive polymer." Baked fat and other grilled byaki can be considered as strong pollution, which also needs to be soaked in a solution

So it's okay! Feel free to wash the "hard side" pans and grill plates. For example, I have no scuffs on the plates, so the flight is normal
v_lerik
Ladies, take Shteba-95 into the ranks of the happy owners. Yesterday there was a test run. I tried to fry steaks, champignons and salmon steaks ... as a result, I overdried both meat and fish, and probably did not fry the mushrooms.
Before that I had a VVK, it was somehow easier with him or something. But the unit still pleases, I will continue to experiment.

PS: Strange, the skin of the fish came out inedible for some reason ...
Mar_k
Valeria! Downplay our congratulations on your Grill!

I do the fish like this: I heat up the grill very much, put the fish in, fry it a little and switch to the minimum mode and bring it to readiness! And the meat is the same, to the crust, and then on mode 3! I have a grill 4.4
v_lerik
Quote: Mar_k

Valeria! Downplay our congratulations on your Grill!

I do the fish like this: I heat up the grill very much, put the fish, fry it a little and switch to the minimum mode and bring it to readiness! And the meat is the same, to the crust, and then on mode 3! I have a grill 4.4
Thank you!
Hmm, that's how I did it: first I browned at the maximum and then it seemed to bring it to the lowest temperature, it turned out that I overexposed it ... Maybe I shouldn't have taken the grate. but a smooth plastic pan ...
Masinen
In general, fish is fried very quickly!
You just overexposed it and that's it) try to reduce the time and change the temperature by 200 grams, you definitely don't need to
v_lerik
Quote: Masinen

In general, fish is fried very quickly!
You just overexposed it and that's it) try to reduce the time and change the temperature by 200 grams, you definitely don't need to
but on a wire rack or in a frying pan?
Masinen
I fried salmon on the wire rack. And the dorado is also on the grill, and everything turned out deliciously.
I exhibited a photo, look on the topic, there I wrote the time or the temperature,
v_lerik
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And I figured a fish for lunch))
I put it frozen. The grill is heated to 230 gr.
Baked for 10 minutes at 230 grams and 15 minutes at 170 grams
Here is the beauty)
It’s strange that I did one to one, as you wrote, it turned out as beautifully as in the photo, but dry
Masinen
In general, salmon is a fatty fish, but it is easy to dry out.Experiment with temperature and time. Try to set 180 grams for 15 minutes. Salmon cannot be fried for a long time)
igorechek
Quote: v_lerik

Salmon. And she even looked like in your photo.
ABOUT! I saw fish sold in the middle lane. Come to us in the Murmansk region and see how fresh it really is. It is from her that an excellent product is prepared that melts in your mouth. It's a delicate product. And they will freeze it, unfreeze it, shrink it and weaken it. The skin turns into a cellophane shell ...
Cook then, probably, at a low temperature of -160 * and not on a wire rack, so that less leakage would occur.
spring
And nothing flows on the grate, even more interesting than on a smooth one. We buy chilled food. It's expensive to go to Murmansk for fish ...
taty327
Oh, Mashulkin, you turned me on this topic with my future grill, well done! And I just re-read it, I sit, quietly envy ... Mine will only come under the Christmas tree ... Masha, girls, tell me ... It's clear that I'll do it once or twice, and everything will become clear, but I want to know now - I I love fish, so that it is not ready yet, but no longer raw, with plump steaks, what is the best way to cook it so that it works the first time, without experiments?
Masinen
Svetlana, yes, I brought messages on the grill here, then we have a topic about a pressure cooker that turns out to be a big discussion))
First you need to heat up the grill, well, in your case, up to 180 grams.
It's hard to say in time, well, 15 minutes is definitely necessary.
I usually set the timer for 10 minutes, and when it tinkles, then I see if I need more or not.


Added Wednesday 23 Mar 2016 08:22 PM

My favorite vegetables with garlic on the grill)
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taty327
My grill has arrived.
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Pork neck
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And salmon
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taty327
The first impression is that the maximum temperature is too small, I also watched the GF grills, there is a maximum of 260 degrees, and ours is 230, and then I noticed that the pieces that were not salted on top fried much better, which, in general, is logical - apparently, standing out from salt, the juice does not allow the crust to form quickly. Stopped salt and stopped thinking about GF
The pork was fried for about 8-9 minutes at the maximum, and the plump salmon steaks lasted 3 minutes at the maximum, the fish is on the verge, as I like - not yet ready, but no longer raw, incredibly juicy, with a crust! A great thing has appeared in the house, thank you girls !!!


Added Wednesday 23 Mar 2016 08:18 PM

Thank you, Marinochka, already happy! Especially today, the husband and the youngest were visiting relatives, they arrived at the beginning of eleven, and my husband has a peculiarity - wherever he is, no matter what he ate, when he comes home, he will still ask for something to eat. So today: fry me some meat, please. I told him: maybe not already? And he: do you understand that you are now in trouble with this new car of yours? Come on, my love, fire something already ... Fried ... And then fried the boiled tongue - this is something !!! Very tasty, even though it's a night outside
Here it is, the tongue!
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Mar_k
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Just about, wings! Fire and tell me how it turned out, I also thought about them, but forgot to buy

Svetlana, I am reporting! I pickled the wings at the end of last year. Sauce - improvisation (ketchup + soy sauce + provencal herbs). Stored in a vacuum package.

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marlanca
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My favorite vegetables with garlic on the grill)
Mash, how long do you make vegetables and at what temperature?
Masinen
Gal, for 200 gr 10 minutes)
Larssevsk
Girls, hello. I am writing my second and penultimate report on my poor grill. The last one will be about vegetables at the weekend, but for now meat:

Bavarian sausages
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Burgers
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Everything is good, clean, fast. The truth is, as I already wrote, periodically press the on / off button so that the dish does not turn out burnt on the outside and damp on the inside. But, since this button is still present, it is not particularly burdensome

I apologize for the quality of the pictures. Dark turned out
Masinen
Laris, killed))
Grill for the poor) $
Mini grill, you can do that)
And what does this button on off give?
Larssevsk
Quote: Masinen

Laris, killed))
Grill for the poor) $
Mini grill, you can do that)
And what does this button on off give?

Mashenka, I am ironing kindly. In fact, I even loved him very much.
And since.there is no temperature regulation in it, then by periodically turning it off, I regulate the temperature. If you do not turn it off, then it will very quickly fry everything on the outside, and inside the dishes they risk not cooking. And after turning off the button, it fries for some time due to the accumulated heat and not so aggressively. However, the cooking time increases from 7 to 20 minutes. I'll try the vegetables without disconnecting.
Mar_k
Larissa, won't it hurt him ?! And he has what is the maximum heating, and after heats up, does it not turn off, and then turn on again ???
Larssevsk
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Larissa, won't it hurt him ?! And he has what is the maximum heating, and after it heats up, does it not turn off, and then turn on again ???

Marish, that's how it works. When I did steamed meat on it, I didn't turn off anything. He warmed up, passed out himself, took out the meat, ate it (my husband ate it in one snout). But since yesterday I was cooking food from the freezer, I was afraid that it would not be baked inside and extended the cooking process by forcibly turning it off. I think it shouldn't hurt. Everything is somehow too fundamental (I mean TENA). Well, if it breaks down, it's his own fault.
Moonlight
Dear Experienced Grill Users
I bought such a thing today
joy is clouded by the fact that the top plate is not held by the mount - where the black button holds the entire plate, an unreliable connection that pops out
who had it? Can you help something or is it a marriage and definitely need to return the piece?
Masinen
Moonlight,
joy is clouded by the fact that the top plate is not held by the mount - where the black button holds the entire plate, an unreliable connection that pops out
When you put the plate, does the button pop up? Or remains drowned?
Should there be a click when you fix the plate?
This is how I install the top plate, press on the black button and on the top of the plate. Everything sits down and the button jumps out to its original position when I release it.
There were a couple of times when it was not recorded, but in this way everything works out fine.
Moonlight
Quote: Masinen
When you put the plate, does the button pop up? Or remains drowned?
Should there be a click when locking the plate?
Yes
it is with the black button popping up that the problem
she crawls out but crooked and a little bit
after you lower the lid
by 30-45 degrees the plate flies off
she almost broke glass ceramics with me the first time (I put it on the stove under the hood)
well the grill was not heated
I would not have caught a red-hot
Masinen
Moonlight, I advise you to check the latch, it may not move well. The one that fixes the plate. When you press a button, it moves. Try to manually push it.
Sometimes I press the button several times and it didn't seem to fall, only the plate fell once))
Good luck and the grill is very good!
Ariete
Moonlight, my plate also fell once, at the very beginning of using the grill. So now I'm not pressing a button, but holding the plate with my thumbs, and with the rest I press on the metal cover until it clicks. If there is no click, then unfasten and fix again. There were no more problems with the top plate. I really hope that you will adapt and the grill will only delight you. Good luck!
zhariks
In general, yes, the mechanism for fixing the plates is not very successful and not thought out. I also periodically suffer with it, how hard everything walks, the plates do not self-center during installation.
Boyaka's cat
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Svetlana, I am reporting! I pickled the wings at the end of last year. Sauce - improvisation (ketchup + soy sauce + provencal herbs). Stored in a vacuum package.

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Mar_k
Quote: Boyaka's cat

in the photo Steba PG4.3 (or 4.4)? Tell me, how well the waffles are baked evenly there (well, this "side" function of the grill is also interesting to me, since I was going to buy a separate waffle iron for Viennese waffles, but I've also been looking at this grill for a long time ...) and the waffles are obtained thinner than regular square corrugations, probably even thinner than waffle-heart waffle makers? That is, why am I attached - wafers from this particular grill are obtained as cookies, or are they soft, like Viennese? Are you looking for a waffle function?

Boyaka's cat, I like the grill! I often make waffles and pancakes for children. First of all, bistros, they are small, the children are happy! Baked pancake dough and waffle dough. Pancakes are at first crispy, yes, then like pancakes. Thin. Now I use the waffle iron only if I make ice cream cones.

Here is a recipe (one of the options) for waffle pancakes https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=310106.0

Models differ only in color.


Added Wednesday 23 Mar 2016 08:23 PM

I baked sand waffles! (butter, milk, flour, egg, sugar, yeast free). The waffles turned out, it's probably even better to gas them with cookies, they are completely crunchy and thin! But pancakes, on the contrary, when you bake and shoot. , then crunchy and brittle, and when they lie down - like pancakes, but full-time pancakes still don't look like frying pans.

When I baked in a waffle iron, I just turned out to be viscous - I and the children did not like it! And then dare at once!


Added Wednesday 23 Mar 2016 08:23 PM

In general, I also like the waffle iron because it is interesting to bake bread with cheese inside, make eggs.
Masinen
Today for breakfast I grilled vegetables, chicken fillet
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The husband was happy, ate everything and left me nothing)

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