Dishwasher selection (2)

I also need a PMM 45 cm inline, the reviews in the tyrnet are the most contradictory.
Girls, what do you recommend?
I want, oddly enough, reliable, comfortable, functional

And what is contradictory? What is inline or what is 45? I'm not overjoyed at mine .. I'm different and not nada !!

Siemens, built-in, 45 cm. I like it. A year and a half - normal flight.

And what is contradictory? What is inline or what is 45? I'm not overjoyed at mine .. I'm different and not nada !!

Contradictory means that the same models are praised by someone, someone is scolding, someone considers it overrated, someone is priceless.
There are very different opinions on the structure of the upper basket, a set of programs, the quality of washing and the PM themselves.
I want a reliable, functional, ergonomic - I'm not original. Energy efficiency is important, the price is secondary.
A 45 and installation are the initial conditions.

Olya, Olya, in terms of functions, auto, eco and super (70 degrees), well, what else are needed, there is a half load ... an inline is not an inline, well, what's the difference ?! 45 is enough for a family of 3 (I don't type every day ..). Bosch and Siemens at the same plant do .. they all work the same way, and everything breaks down the same way .. Take any, it's better than washing by hand!
And he washes ... and mine is super, then anyhow, what is connected with, I still cannot understand

And they set me up on Mila ...
And their several models
Boshi also watched today - there are also many different.

Mile, of course, is good for everything except the price. Or maybe a good Bosch, which is all stainless steel inside, and not partially, like most models, if you want more reliable. Although the fact of the lottery is always present even for expensive models.

Mile, of course, is good for everything except the price. Or maybe a good Bosch, which is all stainless steel inside, and not partially, like most models, if you want more reliable. Although the fact of the lottery is always present even for expensive models.

Are they partly made of stainless steel inside? I've never seen one like that, even in a cheap dishwasher.

I want to say about laundering. My Bosch does not wash the tabletop protein bloom on pans, then I wipe it with a rag. And with a friend with ease (Siemens 45cm). And there are a lot of such examples on the Internet.

It seems to me that washable depends on the detergent. Until my dishwasher was covered, I used Finish: powder or gel, salt and rinse aid. Everything was washed out remarkably. Initially I tried American remedies and Somat - I didn't like it. I did not use tablets, since there was no program for 3 in 1, 5 in 1 and others on the machine. I haven't bought a new dishwasher yet (no time), but I will buy without bells and whistles. For the previous 7 plus years I have used only 3 programs. But, she laid the dishes immediately and always cleaned the remains of fat and food. But, this is my opinion.

[Tatyana]

Tatyana, Do you rinse the dishes before loading them into the PMM? My kitchen is not yet ready, but we are currently engaged in repairs.

[Albina]

Albina, to be honest, "as if": after a meal, before serving tea, I put it neatly in the sink, turned on the water. The dishes were moistened, food leftovers were washed off. Then she put the dishes in the dishwasher, and threw the leftovers off the grid into the trash. I have a Franke sink with a very comfortable mesh on the drain. When I change the dishwasher, I will continue this practice. I tried to include the "rinsing" program - not impressed. But, these are my troubles ..

I do it too

And Mile will be brought to me tomorrow, to replace Boshik! Let's see, but I'm sure I won't be disappointed)

[Tatyana]

Tatyana, Do you rinse the dishes before loading them into the PMM? My kitchen is not yet ready, but we are currently engaged in repairs.

I even rinse very oily dishes first.

[Irina F]

Irina F, Irisha, so you probably took a full-size freestanding one? Which model? 200? 120?
And I'm looking for a 45 cm insertion. There are also several models of them, but I have not yet been able to figure out which of the proposed is necessary and sufficient, and which fingers are fanned out.
I still don't understand what kind of drying should be taken.
And do you need a half load (we are 2 people in the family).
A large compartment for pots and reliable, convenient cutlery trays are desirable so that everything is well washed.
They also say that there are PMs capricious to detergents.
By the way, are there pills? Can you use gels? For example, own production?

Are they partly made of stainless steel inside? I've never seen one like that, even in a cheap dishwasher.

Yes, some dishwashers have a plastic bottom.

it is worth paying attention to the presence of transformable boxes, so that some parts would fold inside and the box itself could be adjusted in height, it is good if there is a Variospeed (reduces the washing time, not to the detriment of the main program), forgive the slang, I just write by touch, kid I put it down.
Only recently I was looking for what is needed and what is not. I am very happy with my Siemens, I have a third tray for instruments, but someone wrote that it is not convenient, but I really like it.

While looking at Mile.
I found these narrow models:
G 4600 SCI
G 4760 SCVI
G 4700 SCI
G 4860 SCVI

Those models with “00” at the end are semi-recessed, “60” - fully recessed.
Inside, all models are exactly the same (baskets, adjustment), differ only in programs.
For example, in the 48th line, among other innovations, setting / deactivating the heating temperature while maintaining the washing intensity (for dishes with a special coating or plastic, etc.) and opening the door after the end of work to prevent condensation appeared.
They don't write about any Vario.

I wonder how useful these functions are for us? It seems to be nice to have them, but do they really cope with the declared tasks.
While MIELE G 4860 SCVI is in the lead in my rating

Ie she opens the door herself so that there is no condensation?

Bosch SPV58M50RU - 45 cm. Fully recessed. In operation since April. Very satisfied!
1. Top tray for spoons - "+"! Saves space but takes longer to download. Washes well.
2. Height-adjustable basket (middle) - "+"! I use it regularly
3. Indication on the floor. Spot. - "+"! Just necessary for complete construction.
4. Accelerated car wash - I haven't tried it, because I often turn it on at night. Need to try.
5. Regularly used programs - Eco, Auto, 70^about

Ie she opens the door herself so that there is no condensation?

Yes, Irina, that's right!

Bosch SPV58M50RU - 45 cm. Fully recessed. In operation since April. Very satisfied!

Gergiy, have not met in the open spaces of KP for a long time.
Glad to see you! Thanks for your opinion.
Looked at her and a couple of her relatives on Saturday. It makes a good impression.
By the way, they claim that the assembly is German, which is already commendable.
The price, of course, is much more democratic than that of Mile, which also captivates.
But for now, I'm dreaming about Mila. But the price! ... Although, the husband agrees to this.
Here I am suffering.

[Olga VB]

Olga VB, I didn’t see the question yesterday, but now I went to the Mille website - to see the models, and there was almost nothing left of the dishwashers, only the most expensive ones, and that’s not all (. I took the 6360 model, it wasn’t delivered to me yet, that's how I went to the site , so immediately worried, but today we called up and promised to bring me on Wednesday.Ol, if you are considering Mile, then I advise you to hurry up, what I observe does not cause joy!
iris. ka, the door of the car opens immediately after the end of the program, this is one of the important points for me, because the condensation is very annoying to me!

Girls, good day went to the topic and could not resist not to write.I have Siemens 45 cm for the third year she went and I never soaked anything, did not rinse beforehand. She was the only one who removed large particles of food and removed the fat from the pans with a paper towel, and even then not dry. Everything is washed perfectly and the filter is always clean for prevention. Mine every day on weekdays once a night, on weekends and twice a day. I don’t put anything in the sink at all, everything is in the car at once until it accumulates. By all means, what for the shares come across. Some people wash not very tea bloom from mugs, but I don't see much difference in others. Recently, Claro switched to powder, it is cheap and washes well

Mile is probably a super car, if the price suits you, why not take it?
By the way, I don't rinse the dishes, I just put everything in the car, only large pieces or a lot of oil, then I wipe the same with paper towels.

p. from. with the advent of the dishwasher, there was a great desire to cook! , I used to do it with such an effort, because it seems like I like to cook, but to wash everything, now everything is completely there!

Gergiy, have not met in the open spaces of KP for a long time.
Glad to see you! Thanks for your opinion.

Likewise!

But for now, I'm dreaming about Mila.

Olga, I wish you a dream come true!

I have never rinsed dishes in my life. I will shake it off with a spoon, as it will shake off into the car. Yes, I periodically take out the filter and mine. But that's what it is and a filter. The rest of the machine has been plowing for 6 years. Moreover, I almost constantly turn on rinsing for 12 minutes (the machine is large, so that during the day everything is not rotten there and that which has suddenly dried up is soaked). At the same time, I drip a drop of ordinary dishwashing liquid into it (I have a LION). No foam comes from anywhere (it's a drop on a whole machine of dirty dishes), there is no foam at all. And the dishes are also partially degreased. I bought a Lyon remedy for PMM - it does not wash. Tea deposits remain on the cups. But the elementary faerie in tablets is just the way.

A serious difference between Mile and other machines (which I had): a very convenient arrangement of baskets inside, a raised basket for cups (as a result, just huge pots and in general everything in a heap fit down, it is almost always raised), a cutlery tray and a separate a rocker arm on it (there are three rocker arms in total). Everything is in metal. For 6 years, nothing fell off and did not break off. The plastic in Ariston was crumbling like hell.

To be honest, I also never rinse the dishes, I clean off the remnants of food with a fork-spoon and FSE! I rarely turn on rinsing, since almost always the load is full (there are a lot of people, they go to the kitchen all the time!)
Previous Bosch 45, honestly worked for 10 years (and now continues to work in her son's apartment). They took the sixtieth into the house, but it was difficult with money, so they took an inexpensive one, also Bosch, although the insides are plastic and I'm very unhappy with her! Constantly some not washed things, although I put everything in jewelry! An inconvenient basket, it's just the horror of some kind of plate in it, like drunk (. By the way, in the previous one this was not observed, but there the model was better. But most of all the condensate finishes me off !!!
Taking Mile now, I hope to solve these problems!

p. from. with the advent of the dishwasher, there was a great desire to cook!

I am similar.

I was just out here a couple of days ago!
I am reading a discussion of Milev's machines about the third rocker arm. I think my car has an upper tray, but no third rocker. And it washes great. This is the correct construction! From below, through 2 baskets, it pushes into the upper tray and the result is excellent!
Then, by chance I looked in ... and there is a personal sprinkler for the upper tray! That was a surprise! Only, there is not a rocker, but a small turbine, a wheel with blades. Like this! It is necessary to teach materiel! =))))

my car has a top tray and no third rocker. And it washes great.This is the correct construction! From below, through 2 baskets, it pushes into the upper tray and the result is excellent!
Then, by chance I looked in ... and there is a personal sprinkler for the upper tray! That was a surprise! Only, there is not a rocker, but a small turbine, a wheel with blades. Like this! It is necessary to teach materiel! =))))

So I thought so, since there is no third rocker, then you can pile something else on the forks-spoons, for example, some kind of lid or cutting board, and I was terribly unhappy with this third tray, even here I wrote about it that it washes badly. then I also accidentally looked in and found this sprinkler, and, here it is, happiness, everything is well washed So, you are right, you need to study the materiel

I have Bosch with zeolite

found this sprinkler, and, here it is, happiness, everything is well washed

Why didn't she work? Or is it fixed and needs to be released?

She was working, I just put something else on top of the cutlery, for example, a non-boiling lid, because I believed that the jets of water hit from below, that is, from the rocker arm, which is located on the middle basket. In short, it's my own fault

But the condensate finishes me the most !!!

Here I have such a problem with Bosch, although the model is not cheap ((

If you open the door a little after finishing work, then there should be no condensation. It's just that it's not always realistic - to watch this very end of work (at night, for example)

If you open the door a little after finishing work, then there should be no condensation. It's just that it's not always realistic - to watch this very end of work (at night, for example)

And I, on the contrary, if in the daytime, before 30 minutes. after the end of the wash, I try not to open it, so that the furniture does not deteriorate from the hot steam, and I do not observe condensation even once.

Something I do not quite understand, what kind of condensate are we talking about? Where? On the dishes? On the walls?

On the dishes.
She's hot, so she sweats when it cools. And the walls, probably, too.
Is it dry if you don't get it right away, but after a couple of hours?

By the way, I just thought: here I am standing near the dishwasher, thinking about the cherished, about the girl's, and suddenly she finishes her work, opens up a little, and from there steam! right at me?
Or how?

There should be no condensation on the dishes, at first it also seemed to me that it dries poorly, I solved the problem by setting up intensive drying and rinse aid (despite the fact that I use all-in-one tablets), now only plastic containers are wet, but this is normal (so in the instructions it is written) .. on a typewriter down the walls, it is all nasty wet inside, but the dishes are dry. I put the sink in the evening, I take out the dishes in the morning when I remember
But it washes in places badly .. yes .. what is connected, I do not understand

I also have no condensation, and I don't really understand what exactly the people are gutarit about. Although the door in my car does not open ajar (Mila). I just have water can accumulate in the recesses (the bottoms of the glasses, etc.). And the dishes are completely dry.

Something I do not quite understand, what kind of condensate are we talking about? Where? On the dishes? On the walls?

I also did not understand. I turned it on at night, I take it out in the morning. Everything is dry. And I never open the door. I can forget about her altogether .. And I have Boch at home, at the Siemens dacha .. Maybe different types of drying dishes. After all, there is turbo drying and condensation. My cars are already old, one is more than 10 years old, the other is 6 years old - I have never encountered this ..

[Scarecrow]

Scarecrow, Natul, that is, if you don't open the door for a couple of hours after the end of the program, is everything dry anyway?
Because of this opening, I chose a particular model for Miele.
And now I was confused.
Someone claims that condensation on the dishes is unnerving, but you are refuting everything here.

Good day, everyone, I'm reading you here on the sly, everything is dry too, well, maybe with the exception of plastic containers.

if the door is not opened for a couple of hours after the end of the program, is everything still dry?

Of course, I'm not Natasha, but can I put in a word too? I have a fairly inexpensive Zanussi with a turbo dryer, I usually put a sink at night, there is never any condensation in the morning either on the dishes or on the surface of the PMM

[Olga VB]

Olga VB,

I take it out in the morning, but I usually put it on at night. Therefore, many more hours pass. Only the water accumulated in the depressions remains. It is always there - and when you just open it after washing, and much later, because water in such volumes (well, poured into the deepened bottom of a glass or cup) cannot be evaporated by the machine. But everything else is completely dry. I chose - let it be. In the end, you will have an additional "humidifier". It won't hurt in winter)).

Girls, don't confuse machines with a turbo dryer and a condensation dryer. With turbo drying, even the machine inside is dry. With condensation (or drip), the last rinsing with hot water takes place, the dishes heats up, and then cold water is poured into the heat exchangers on the sides of the machine and all condensation forms on the walls, if the machine is configured correctly, then the dishes will be dry, and my machine is wet even in the instructions written, it is recommended not to open immediately after washing.

I have Siemens and there is also no condensation on the dishes, except, as Natasha wrote, in the recesses. There is condensation only on the fast program, which is for glasses and lightly soiled dishes. But on glass and plates there is, but on everything else (plastic, metal, there is). I rarely use this program, so it doesn't bother me. And regarding opening the door immediately after washing, I was not recommended to do this, since it can lead to deformation of the table top and door. But since sometimes you need to get something
urgently, then steam well. And the coating of the upper end of the door went into a fine mesh. The kitchen is Ikeevskaya and she is only one and a half years old.

The dishes are always completely dry. Except for plastic.
After opening, the inner walls of the machine are wet, but you can see how it dries right before your eyes.
Even if I open it after an hour / one and a half / two, the walls of the machine are damp, but the dishes are completely dry.
The walls are exactly wet. There are no drops, puddles, etc.
I included a metal plate on the lower honor of the table top, screwed it against the door.
Protects the countertop from steam.

I also have a plate, but God takes care of him.

[no]

I have the most ordinary indesite car, no I have never seen condensation. It was the same in the beko ... Moreover, the moment of opening the door does not matter at all. At least I will open it right away - at least in 5-7 hours (if PMM washes at night) dishes always will be dry. Drops can drip down the door only. And with water, as a rule, plastic dishes remain, which have high sides at the bottom - that's where the water remains ...