m0use
Guys, thank you all for your advice and empathy, I programmed an intensive drying - now everything is clean and dry! How I adore her! And you!
toffee
ElenaB, well, that's good. The agony of choice is over, the roulettes with which they were measured are twisted, the husband's tantrum is calmed.)). Prepare for judgmental conversations, but we've all been through it.

mOus, tell us what you reconfigured. Clean and dry dishes for you. You, too, be ready. (Although mice do not go into your pocket for a word.)
m0use
Thank you, Ira, I understood your hint ... In my Boshik, in addition to the usual drying, you can program an intensive drying, this is just the last rinsing with hotter water (correspondingly a higher temperature difference), it is provided in the machine, just in the factory settings disabled. The price of the question is plus 10-15 minutes to the program
Elena74
I choose the first dishwasher in my life, the store told me that you can insert a pill every time, or you can pour the powder into the same compartment. For some reason I used to think that the powder should be poured a lot in advance and the machine itself will take as much as needed. Or is it different in different cars? And how do you put as much powder as you need into the tablet compartment?
m0use
Elena74, as well as in the washing machine, everything is very convenient there, poured, closed.
AnastasiaK
Elena74, and measure with a measuring spoon. At first, I weighed the powder, poured in as much as recommended. Then by sight it already worked. It's simple. And now I'm putting a pill. The difference between the numerous means is not noticed, so that some means to me directly ah. So I choose at the price of one sink (I divide the price of a pack by the number of tablets or by the amount of powder at a time).
Elena74
m0use, AnastasiaK, thanks for the answer) but without a beam on the floor will it be convenient?
AnastasiaK
Elena74, absolutely can be dispensed with. It's not porridge to follow. If you do, it's nice, curious, but if you don't, it’s not. The main thing is that the washing machine, not the woman!
m0use
Len, I have a beam, it gives absolutely nothing. I thought he at least shows nifiga washing time, just a motionless speck. When she washes, she squeaks.
toffee
This is how myths about brands and fancy gadgets are debunked.))))))))
ElenaB
I have a husband, complained that it's a pity there is no window at the PMM like a washing machine
Taia
Quote: m0use
I have a ray, it gives absolutely nothing. I thought he at least shows the washing time nifiga, just a motionless speck. When she washes, she squeaks.

On one of the forums, one guy wrote to me that my dishwasher is shit, because it does not have this ray.
AnastasiaK
Taia, , yah? The main thing is a ray? But I thought I should wash the dishes there .... I have a simple Kandy in general, she washes perfectly, I stuff her every day to the eyeballs and loudly rejoice.
ElenaB
Taia, AnastasiaK, and without this ray, everything went to shoot
Taia
He bought his dishwasher for $ 1000, and what is cheaper is not worthy of his attention.
ElenaB
Taia, when I was looking for information on the PMM, I read that the beam is like a type of signal for the end of the machine - if the green is on, then the machine has finished work)))

AnastasiaK
ElenaB, well, yes, otherwise we won't know when to rush to her - God, finished! I don't open it at all at the end for another two hours, but the dishes are absolutely dry, and if you open it right away, there may be drops. I don't have any super dryers, as it dries, so it dries.
Well, as anyone, let a rich comrade also rejoice at his, and we rejoice at ours.
m0use
The first is my car with a beam, but costs much less than $ 1000
Second, my ray is always red, it does not change to green
I'll go kill the app wall !!
Taia
Quote: m0use


I'll go kill the app wall !!

Lord, why head against the wall then? Drink valerian for peace of mind.
Wiki
Quote: AnastasiaK

I don't open it at all at the end for another two hours, but the dishes are absolutely dry, and if you open it right away, there may be drops.

And mine is exactly the same. I don't have a beam, with a beam it was more expensive by 2-3 thousand. I thought and decided that I didn't need it at all. And she was not mistaken.
In general, I usually load the car in the evening and there is no need for me to run at night - to look at the beam. And in the morning FOR ANYONE, the process is already over and you can safely open and unload the dishes.
Elena74
thank you for sharing your experience, now I will calmly take without a beam)))
q10niza
Girls, I'm, of course, a greedy person, but it's not a good idea to get into something. In our "Epicenter" there are PM ZANUSSI ZDS 2010 and ELECTROLUX ESF 4500 ROW and they cost ELECTROLUX UAH 3555, ZANUSSI UAH 3265. against 5670 and 4080 in tyrnet. BUT I can’t look at them and find out yet, and the consultants at Epicenter themselves don’t know anything.
: mail1: Can I ask idiotic questions?
Is the forks basket removable or is it there forever?
In Electrolux, the upper basket is equipped with the FlexiLift system. The sellers have never heard of such bells and whistles. If you send your husband, why do you have to pull it to check if it is there or not?
In Zanussi Aquasensor - no, Aquastop - no. Is it critical?
Just don't laugh too loudly - I didn't even think about the dishwasher, but here it squeezed. And I'm afraid to pull, Ukrainian women know how our prices are growing every day. The kitchen table in the same "Epicenter" for two days has risen in price by more than 200 UAH.
And, perhaps, the most important thing - no one has come across - there is no gray technology in "Epicenter"? And then I went to the site of the electrolux, but there is no model
V-tina
I have Zanussi, though it's different, I'm happy. In the instructions for ZANUSSI ZDS 2010, when describing malfunctions, the overflow protection system has worked, which means that there is some kind of protection. 🔗
* Anyuta *
Quote: q10niza
Is the forks basket removable or is it there forever?

In all PMM cutlery baskets are "removable" ... That is, you can easily take it out and put it away. Some girls then simply buy plastic containers that are more convenient in design and use them instead of a basket for cutlery.

But you can check the equipment for "dullness" right in the store. If you have an Internet on your phone, then right in the store go to a special site and fill in the barcode with the PMM in the window there .. the program will immediately give you a result about the manufacturer.
q10niza
* Anyuta *, V-tina, THANKS VERY MUCH !!! I'm in PM fool fool I absolutely do not understand anything. For two days I walk on the Internet, read reviews, I mastered 60 pages of THIS topic. Found it - I took a similar model Zhukov Pavel, but he had some troubles with drying. It's just that I can't go shopping now, it's dumb to entrust my husband with such a purchase. So I'm torturing you.
Thanks again!!!
V-tina
q10niza, here is a comparison of these models

🔗
q10niza
V-tina, thank you, I looked at such a comparison in the "Rosette" and in the "Refrigerator ru". It's just that half of the terms do not tell me anything.
Today I am again on the net, trying to understand what kind of animal this PM is.
rog6012
Quote: q10niza
It's just that I can't go shopping now, it's dumb to entrust my husband with such a purchase.
This is not a GUD
Quote: q10niza
q10niza
Take the electrolux and is faster, more functional than the second model.
V-tina
Quote: q10niza

V-tina, thank you, I looked at this comparison in the "Rosette" and in the "Refrigerator ru". It's just that half of the terms do not tell me anything.
Today I am again on the net, trying to understand what kind of animal this PM is.
If you compare these two - I would take Electrolux
Lubasha
Against the background of our Ukrainian currency fall, I bought a CENTURY for 2000 UAH. - I didn’t choose too much, just so that the money would not be lost. I use it for a month, and I have never regretted it. Hryvnia depreciates every day, and I am not overjoyed with a dishwasher. I have no beam, but there is a light that burns when the dishes are washed, then when they are drying, then when it is time to take them out. And how did she wash my dishes during this time !!!! I suffered so much before that I could not wash cups and pots everywhere, but here ............ So any machine will be a joy. If only it did not break.
ElenaB
I use my Horpoint-Ariston and I am also glad I washes the dishes for me, I collect for the whole day - more often I wash it on a quick program but with preliminary rinsing.

I tried the dishes to taste - a little salty taste - but put the salt at 1 and the rinse aid at 1, maybe you need to put the rinse aid at 2?

It's good that I bought a narrow 45 cm floor-standing one for 10 sets of dishes and not a table-top one - for 6 computers - it would definitely not be enough for us, sometimes - especially a bowl from my multi itself - is not included))) We are two adults and 4 yoriki ( and these are bowls and saucepans, plates) so my daughter should soon come from the University - probably the bowls will have to be washed with their hands
Now I understand who writes that 60 cm is better in larger size, we would have such a truth, and I’m very happy with mine - why I didn’t buy it 10 years ago
PyataKK
I was already on the verge of dishwashing madness 1.5 years ago I got myself a BEKO DSFS 1530 machine, a narrow model for 10 sets, one of the cheapest at the time of acquisition, but somehow from the day of purchase it saves me my mind from self-destruction every day,

only three lights (washing, drying, finished washing), three buttons (on, program selection, play) and two sensors for the amount of salt and rinse aid, the dosage of salt and rinse aid is also programmed, the upper basket can be raised slightly if desired to you could put something higher in the lower

there is another advantage in the lower basket, the racks for plates are folded and there I put pans and pots and grace comes
oddly enough, but this baby, so to speak, fits all my dishes and a couple of pots

the quality of the sink is wonderful, there were no complaints, the main thing is to correctly lay out the dishes, and if the husband "did not think" covered one with the other, then what a demand with PMM
q10niza
rog6012, Lubasha, V-tina, * Anyuta *thanks for the advice
We took Electrolux
They should connect in the week. Now I will torture you, learning to use
PS Mom is shocked: "You love washing dishes!"
V-tina
q10niza, Congratulations!!!
* Anyuta *
q10niza, congratulations, may yours be happy every day !!!
ElenaB
q10niza, accept my congratulations too! Let the PMM please you with clean dishes!

I have an old grater - she is 50 years old - of course she already wanted to throw it out straight, but since this grandmother's grater - the hand did not rise to throw it out, so I decided to wash the grater in the PMM, the grater became like new - Super!
rog6012
Quote: q10niza
We took Electrolux
Should connect in the week
Congratulations!
What does it mean to connect?
The husband himself cannot?
Sneg6
Girls, advise a 45 cm built-in dishwasher. I think that's enough for three, since we eat little. Thank you.
toffee
I think that everyone will praise their swamp))). If the price is not critical for you, then you can see more expensive. If denyuzhek end-to-end, then look cheaper. And from functions, everything is individual. Take the same beam on the floor. Yes, you overpay for it, and no one needs it. But for some comrades, he delights. So is everything else. Take your time, read here and on other sites. You will understand what you want.
m0use
Olya, I have bosch spv 53 m 00 ru, 45 cm, fully built-in, made in Germany. I am very pleased with her, washes wonderful, roomy. There are 3 of us too, I cook often, wash the dishes 1 time a day. Of course, the option is not at all budgetary, but if possible, I highly recommend it!
Quote: iris. ka

I think that everyone will praise their swamp))).
I will praise mine
sazalexter
Sneg6Choose from AEG / Electrolux-Bosch / Siemens duo
Sneg6
iris. ka, m0use, sazalexter, thanks for the help. There is still a little time, while I will choose.
Ksusha
Quote: Sneg6
Girls, advise a 45 cm built-in dishwasher. I think that's enough for three, since we eat little. Thank you.
No, not Herself thought so. Size criterion is one - place. If it allows - only 60.
Although 45 is better than nothing, but still 60.
nusha18
Dear forum users! I began to look after a new dishwasher because the old Indesit, having worked for 15 years, began to be capricious and faced with the fact that in the new dishwashers the sprinklers are plastic (in my metal).Are there users who have a s / m with such sprinklers (plastic) serving for 5-7 years (since half a year of operation for a s / m machine I consider not indicative at all). I would be very grateful for the information.
Katko
nusha18, I have Bosharik, has been working for 5 years already, nothing is done with plastic blades, do not worry) feel free to take
Katko
Ksusha, however, I was also upset that at 60 it was not possible to install an insert ... but, you know ... after all, each dish accumulates in different ways
yes, in theory, 60 will fit more .. but maybe in a day someone doesn’t get that much, it’s not washing every day, the dishes will dry out, this is either a longer program or with preliminary rinsing
in this case, it will be more preferable for a 45 machine
sazalexter
Quote: nusha18
Are there users who have a s / m with such sprinklers (plastic) lasts 5-7 years
Electrolux ESF 4151 has been working for me since December 2004
PS: Sprinklers are exactly what will work "forever", but electronics, pumps, valves .... how the card will fall.
Ksusha
Quote: katko
yes, in theory, 60 will fit more .. but maybe in a day someone doesn’t get that much, it’s not washing every day, the dishes will dry out, this is either a longer program or with preliminary rinsing
in this case, it will be more preferable for a 45 machine More: https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...ion=com_smf&topic=27402.0
I can tell from my own experience. 60 - convenient in that it is more convenient to place pots and bowls in it. Especially in quantities of more than 1 piece. After all, dishes are not only plates.
When we were 3, I turned on the machine every day. Now I'm alone. On weekends, when I cook more actively, I can turn it on 2 times a day. And in the week - for the whole week 1-2 times. I always rinse the plate under running water before putting it on, regardless of whether I will wash it today or in 3 days. I've been doing this since the first day and it's already a habit. It's easier for me to do this than to clean the filter later. So in those 2-3 (oh horror 5) days that the dishes are going, I have nothing whips up fragrant, nothing dries up to a non-washed state. So that 60cm will not be superfluous. This is already out of practice. Although I repeat, probably any better than none.
My probably 80% of the time on the eco (longest) program at night. In the morning I got up, arranged everything.
Sonadora
Quote: Sneg6
Girls, advise a 45 cm built-in dishwasher. I think that's enough for three, since we eat little. Thank you.
There are also three of us and we also eat little, as it seemed before the purchase of the PMM, at home we only have breakfast and dinner, but the machine is full every day. Therefore, if the area allows, it is better to take a full-size one. When the guests arrive, it becomes not enough (I have a fully-built Siemens SR 64M001).
The beam on the floor, as it turned out, is a nice function, but not at all mandatory, but what I would definitely not refuse now is the third cutlery basket:
Dishwasher selection (2)
Only in this case, perhaps, you need to pay attention to the distance between the lower and middle baskets. I think that lids and pans with a diameter of 26 cm in this situation may not fit vertically into the lower basket.
marisabelka
That's exactly the way about the plates, I have a third basket, so the distance is really less, so I'm thinking of looking for a nozzle for my car

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