Dishwasher selection (2)

in my opinion, BUBU also had a Kaiser and she was unhappy with her and seemed to have changed a long time ago

I have a Kaiser machine, it is already 6 years old

Do not take this company, there will be fewer problems.
PS: washing machine Ardo lx800x has been working for 12 years 5 times a week, "as for a waste"

and there everything was so erased from the mechanism

Maybe these are the masters?

They told me here that in recent years everything is so in Europe, all machines are designed to operate no more than 5 years

Natasha, and this applies not only to the PMM, but also to any other equipment ... as an example - I have 2 household units here exactly after 5 years of use, and the technique is completely from different areas of application .... .. went with my husband to a store for household appliances - I tell him - don't even look at an expensive one - it's still 5 years - this is a side-altar ... And this applies not only to the cheap segment, but also to products of the middle price category ...

Yolki, then what kind of dishwasher to take?

Yolki, then what kind of dishwasher to take?

Natasha, look at the average price range ... now there are so many new products with all sorts of new functions .. and the price is more than 17-20 thousand rubles.
I chose the second PMM exclusively in terms of color ...

then I need red)))) now the kitchen is installed with red panels

I am quite satisfied with the cost of 12-16 tyrov, bells and whistles, except for half the load are not needed

I have a Zanussi ZDT12002FA - a complete installation for 12 sets, a stainless steel camera, it washes wonderfully even with a very, very poor water supply. The price of the issue is $ 400. e

Girls, explain, please, those in the tank. Finally, they put their Veko, 60, like it. But I don’t understand about half load-
there is a button, but the instructions are not clear. Load the bottom basket only? Will she take less water and the rest?

[Olex]

Olex, download it the way you like - you just get only 1/2 of the PMM filled (maybe a little less, maybe a little more), then select any program you need and press the button with the 1/2 icon (half load). It is the pressing of this button on any program (on which this function is running) that gives you water and electricity savings ... in other words, when you press this button, the PMM's brains receive information that water is needed not as it is intended for this washing cycle, but a little less, because there are not many dishes in the PMM ...

Anyuta, thank you very much. Otherwise, I was looking for specifics, with precise instructions

Utah, and in my PM Whirlpool 1/2 means immensely loading ... OR into the upper OR into the lower basket .. Use the button to choose which basket contains the dishes. Or am I not understanding something?

Girls and boys, please tell me in this matter. I want to buy PMM for a country house. Well water is hard + iron and lime. In sitralk and other devices, I struggle with these problems with citric acid. The screw-on dividers at the taps, from time to time I take off and keep the lemons in the solution, as small holes on the nets are overgrown. How a dishwasher will handle such water. Will the water supply nozzles clog up, is it possible to remove them? Then it will be possible to carry out prevention even in a basin. Or does she always work with powder and salt?

Or does she always work with powder and salt?

Always powder and salt, especially in your case, I don't know how the built-in softener will cope, it all depends on the level of hardness, salt will consume a lot, that's for sure.

I will use it according to the instructions by itself. I just thought she had some clean water cycles like the last rinse.Here, either to save on salt, or on the volume of the drain pit. When you wash with your hands, the water consumption is many times greater, and even the time spent. And do not advise any model that is less capricious today. Or is it a lottery ... While I am planning something not very expensive, it really is not known how it will develop with our water ...

[Lёlik]

Lёlik, Zanussi budget. For a cycle of 13 liters of water (for the whole wash). Zanussi ZDS 105 🔗

Here, either save on salt

Yourself more expensive, the ion exchanger will die and will not wash at all. They don't save on powder and salt!

About that I wanted to say that I will not save on salt (it is more expensive and more troublesome to clean the sump).
I plan a full-sized machine, the area allows, and then not to humorize with the laying of large bowls and pans. I would also like to pick up the color "stainless steel" (I managed to buy such a stove), and this reduces the options.
I read about Zanusi, they are not very happy ...

[Lёlik]

LёlikMaybe it’s cheaper to cover it with silver foil later?

and this shortens the options.

Go to the Yandex market and look there not only by parameters, but also by color. Now there are a lot of PMMs, not only white, including budget models. (Hotpoint Ariston and Indesite are definitely not in white, but in metal). My indesite is no longer white - look in the list of my technique for a model.

I plan a full-sized machine, the area allows, and then not to humorize with the laying of large bowls and pans. I would also like to pick up the color "stainless steel" (I managed to buy such a stove), and this reduces the options.
I read about Zanusi, they are not very happy ...

And you are not considering, including the built-in option?
Then there will be more options.

I understand that there are more such options ... But, before buying new furniture for the kitchen, it's still far away. But to make life easier, I want to right now. There were already thoughts to take an insert, and temporarily cover the end with any panel. But this is an extreme option. And the water is problematic with us ... If the washing process is more or less clear. But about the heating teng, I thought about it ... Can it be descaled, like in a washing machine? Therefore, I want to take something not very expensive for now, and then life will show. In general, I rush between "smart and beautiful". I'm already looking at the narrow ones.

It will be possible to descale it, as in a washing machine

You can use PMM cleaning agents.

Thank you, that pleases.

I'm already looking at the narrow ones

Don't even think about it!
Believe me. If the area allows, then definitely wide!
Then, understanding will come (and it will come 100%) that the narrow one is too small or less comfortable,
but the kitchen is already ready and it will be problematic for a wide remodel.

But about the heating teng, I thought about it ... Can it be descaled, like in a washing machine?

So there is water with softening, there is no scale. But every six months or a year I still chase the firefighter with a lemon. Oddly enough, the water comes out for some reason rather dirty.

Thank you all for the advice, while in search ...

[Lёlik]

Lёlik, maybe I'm late - I need a full-size machine I completely agree with PapAnin, I have a narrow 45 cm machine - basically wash the dishes 1 time a day - there is not enough space in the machine when you cook all day - I hammer the machine completely - but I have to wash something and have to wash it with my hands because it is not included in the machine. And I don't want to drive the car several times a day)))
Just yesterday I was sitting and discussing with my husband that we needed a full-size machine, but the kitchen is small in our Khrushchev building - and it’s so good that this one was squeezed in. So if the kitchen allows it, it's better to take a full-size typewriter.

[ElenaB]

and something and hands have to wash because, as it is not already included in the machine. And I don't want to drive the car several times a day)))

ElenaB, Len, why don't you want to drive the car several times a day? If I can't fit everything the first time (as a rule, it happens on weekends, when you cook several dishes for a few days in advance, so everyone also eats at home), then I start the machine with a full load, and then, what does not fit into PMM (and if I already know that today I definitely do not collect for a full wash) and simply turn on the rinsing mode (I have it for 8 minutes), that is, nothing will definitely dry out and until the next day I collect the dishes for a full washing cycle.After all, when washing with hands, more water will pour out ...

I have a typewriter 3 times on weekends

I have a typewriter 3 times on weekends

I usually get 2 washing cycles on one of the weekends 100% - well, unless we spend all the weekend at home, then once for the whole weekend, but in any case, dishes are always collected per day ...
When my mother or grandmother used to sit with the child, they always washed one plate, one spoon, one mug behind him, well, in short, a set of dishes turned out in any case. If we were on duty, then it turned out and 2 sets each - I weaned them for a long time ... .. until I once "barked" at them ... said that for washing dishes in the sink I would make me pay first for water, and secondly my services for washing the sink behind them after washing the dishes, + pay for the consumption of household chemicals for washing this splattered sink - how it was cut off .... But now I come home (when someone is left with the child), the dishes are neatly folded in the sink and just waiting to load in PMM ...
But I still can't disaccustom my sister - she will wash the dishes with her hands, wash the sink and say that she will leave money for the used water, but she will not wait for washing in the PMM ...

maybe I'm late

Not ... not late. I haven't chosen anything yet. The size was precisely determined, thanks to everyone who gave advice. From various reviews and discussions, I realized that it is better to take the middle price category. Cheap ones quickly pour in, expensive ones too, but a little later. Repair is expensive, it is more profitable to buy a new one. It remains to be understood, how much is the average price? Whirlpool ADP 7570 IX from all reviewed so far.

[* Anyuta *]

* Anyuta *, Anya - I'm sorry to waste detergents + light once again and then I got used to turning it on once, I don't know, maybe I'm somehow not rationally arranging the dishes))) I'm already thinking of cutting the basket for spoons and forks - to make it shorter or completely remove it. , but maybe you are right that sometimes you have to feel sorry for yourself and turn on the machine more often
I have water without meters, maybe that's why something is mine itself, it's a pity to put pots from Multi in the PM.

Lёlik, I have just the cheapest Hotpoint-Ariston- LSF 7237, bought for 11t. p with something, the floor works. years while everything is OK., washes well.
Although when I was going to buy, many advised PM Bosch., But I did not have the money for it.

I am sorry to waste detergents + light again

Why waste detergents on rinsing? Even the program itself does not provide for the use of powder or tablets ... ..washes for 8 minutes ... We now have 1 kWh worth 3 rubles. that is, I will spend 30-40 kopecks (since the water does not heat up), but washing with warm water will be much more expensive ...

[* Anyuta *]

* Anyuta *, I'm talking about if the machine - to run for a full cycle of washing - if there are a lot of dishes - then wash it twice a day

[ElenaB]

ElenaB, I was the same in the beginning, but now ... I even bought a gel so that Teflon pans and pots in the PMM can be washed. Yesterday I ran the car 3 times and this is the two of us who live. But I'm at home all the time and my son comes from 15-00 o'clock from the college.
Any gel that you find at home. Now Somat gel seems to be everywhere, even here. It's just that the gel is more gentle for Teflon than powders and tablets. Anyuta in the subject exposed a gel from Ozone. I almost ordered it, and then Somat gel appeared in Yulmart. It's easier for me to buy in Yulmart, close to home and delivery is free.

I have a narrow 45 cm machine - basically wash the dishes 1 time a day - there is not enough space in the machine

I have 60cm and I don't have enough at all, I can't imagine how you can place in a narrow dish

[Chamomile1]

Chamomile1, I will definitely buy the gel - for a sample, if I find it with us Thank you Olya
louisa, Louise, I'm so glad, of course I would like to - 60 cm for more sets)))

[Lёlik]

Lёlik, during the period of various promotions, it is quite possible to buy PMM from a higher price category at a discount. Thus, we bought our own for six thousand rubles cheaper (store discount + discount on the “recycling” campaign). By the way, we handed over the old vacuum cleaner Whirlwind, which had been gathering dust in the garage for many years.

Yesterday the PM broke down, which has served faithfully since 2007. Unfortunately, modern technology is designed for a short service life, otherwise the factories would have stopped ... And the wires that come from the electric heater with a motor and which cannot be simply replaced, only in a set, began to crumble (from old age).Although both the ten and the motor are running. There is no guarantee that the next part will not die. The master without looking at first tried to accuse me that the filters were clogged and therefore the water flooded the electrics. But when he pulled out the car and opened everything, he apologized .. The master was very surprised at how well the car was in comparison with its age ...
Today I looked at local online stores. I have a built-in 45 cm. I am thinking about AEG F 65402. Share your impression, please!

[Babushka]

BabushkaPlease remind me what kind of machine you have that is out of order. It seems to me that it is not necessary to change the machine but the master. Did the master say about the crumbling wires or is it visible "with the naked eye"?

[Alexander]

Alexander, there was a typewriter Ariston, I don't remember the model. It can be seen very well. I looked in, the wires are fragile to the touch and the so-called "pads" on the block are black and burnt. I saw the flash from the slot in the cabinet, from where the power cord goes to the outlet. Since the machines were knocked out twice in a row ..

I can't decide on the choice of a dishwasher. I dash between Bosch SMV 50E10 and Bosch SMV 50E30. They seem to be the same, but I just can't choose which one to take? Help!!!

[irisska]

irisska, and what is the difference between the models?

the only difference is that at 30 there is no delay in starting the launch, but in the backward they are exactly the same ...

at 30 there is no delay in starting the launch,

If you have a multi-tariff electricity meter, then this function is relevant. I have three tariffs, energy is cheaper at night, so I almost always wash my dishes at night. In the evening I turned it on, and at night at the right time the PMM started working.

Yes, thanks, I already ordered. It was embarrassing that, logically, 30 should be an improved modification of 10. But at the same time, 10 is more expensive. I'm waiting for delivery.

Girls, thanks for such a useful topic, I've been using Bosch SMS40D12RU for a week now, I'm very happy if I have any questions I will answer .. and I will find time to post a small report

[FoXya]

FoXya, oh, I have a question! Is there plastic at the bottom of your car or is the entire chamber made of stainless steel?

[Bijou]

Bijou, there is a drain and a filter - plastic and the lid of the container for salt too, but otherwise the whole chamber is metal