Thermomix (discussion and feedback)

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There is the Thermomix Club, which conducts cooking courses, but they are only for those who already have a food processor.

I didn’t know that there was such a club. I am spinning with recipes myself, but I’m looking for books. My husband gave me TM more than 1.5 years ago. The presentation was without me, because for me this gift was a surprise. Therefore, perhaps I don’t know any details of this.
Please tell us more about the club and presentations.

Please tell us more about the club and presentations.

I bought a thermomix from Center Thermomix. They have a club for thermomix owners that runs cooking classes.
The Thermomix Club is a creative association of consultants who create recipes at the request of Thermomix customers.

The TM Center offers its customers a large selection of recipes according to the principle: "It can be prepared quickly and easily in Thermomix!"

In addition, the company creates new recipes at the request of customers, using feedback from them through consultants.

Every week in the creative workshop - Club Thermomix, consultants discuss the wishes of their clients and develop Thermomix recipes.
These recipes are necessarily checked by an expert group for manufacturability and taste.
Verified recipes are sent to customers and fed to the general recipe database of the Center TM company.

We have culinary courses in Novosibirsk every Saturday, conditionally paid (for the cost of food about 200 rubles).

Yes, even if you took the combine from an official representative, then the consultant who delivered the thermomix had to conduct mandatory training.

Two books (Cooking in a modern way and Varoma) - the main ones, are sold in the Center. They release them themselves. There are several more brochures.

Here on the Internet came across the site of the company "GREEN LINE", it is also written that the official distributor and they have their own club. They also have published a series of books, but only "their own" (who exactly bought the TM from them) can buy them.

As far as I understand, you can hang out in the club where you bought the Thermomix

Girls, hello everyone! I just registered today, although I have been reading the site for a long time. I like it here - mentally.
I have had Thermomix for 17 days. I like. But not so as to faint with happiness. Convenient, somewhat hands-free. Right now I'm carcassing pork, and I'm reading here myself. With normal cooking, stop once it would have prevented it, and in Varoma, cabbage and beans are cooked in parallel for a couple. I will not share the recipes yet, because I am just mastering this unit. From what is not in the recipe books, I cook only giblets - my sons and I love them very much. Everything else so far according to books ...
Girls, I can't decide on what question. If you have Thermomix, is there an urgent need for a bread maker? Or TM + oven is enough. Us 4 people a week eat one loaf (store) and half a loaf of Chusovsky bread. The oven is electric, it bakes well. It seems like I want HP, but I don’t understand whether I need to or I’ll do it ...

[Raisins * ka]

Raisins * ka, IMHO Thermomix will not replace a bread maker anyway. It's cool and quick to make dough in Thermomix, but I still bake bread in KhP.

Interestingly, you somehow compare a food processor with a bread maker
There are housewives who knead in a bread maker and bake in the oven.
The bread maker fully automates the process, in the combine you can only knead the dough, I don't see any difficulty in choosing. In general, if in doubt, it's better not to take it, it's very likely that it will stand idle.And if you somehow decide to bake bread, you can bake it in the oven.
Congratulations on your purchase of the Thermomix! In fact, he frees his hands strongly, it just does not become clear so quickly. And you also start cooking things that you would never cook without him.

I totally agree with bluekitten. I did not have such a problem, because first they bought HP, then TM, and then the Multicooker. Indeed, these are all different kitchen appliances. It does not bake in TM, but it kneads dough perfectly, but I make yeast without problems in KhP. TM is a combine with (advanced) cooking functions. The slow cooker only cooks and bakes. HP only makes dough and bakes, and even makes my jam. I didn’t try to get rid of something else in it. There is no need, and it is a pity to spoil the bucket.
For me, one another complements and greatly facilitates life. It's up to you, Raisin * ka. Come here https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=31311.0 We share recipes there. We are waiting for the giblets recipe

Girls, thanks for the answers, advice! Apparently I asked a clumsy question. Thoughts outpace the speed of writing. I wanted to find out if TM is so good at kneading dough for bread. That is, is it enough to have TM in order to knead the dough there and bake in the oven. That's what I wanted to know.

Yesterday I tried to knead dough for bread in TM and bake it. And I did it !!!!! The bread looks and tastes like real bread. Yesterday I had so much puppy delight !!! True, there are still a number of questions. I have not yet decided on what topic to ask a question about baking bread mixed with TM ..

By the way, about the questions. Girls, my scales lie in TM, I am upset not to convey how

[pulkeria]

I suggest asking questions about recipes here https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=31311.0 And on Thermomix in this topic to discuss.
pulkeriaand how do they lie? To be honest, I also noticed that there is a difference when you weigh on the scales (I have an electronic Bosch) and on the TM. We went to visit Nizhny, I took everything, but forgot the scales. Weighed flour for bread in KhP on TM. I put it overnight, in the end the bread did not work out. The next time I baked during the day and watched the bun.
After that, I weigh on TM only what may not be entirely accurate
And sometimes you can't catch these 5 grams on the scales - once, you've already poured it. I think it's not very convenient.
pulkeria, the TM should still stand only on a flat surface and not touch anything with its sides. This also changes the weight. Maybe you have this problem?
Raisins * ka, I also made dough for bread in TM. I also liked it and the bread turned out great. https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=31311.0

[pulkeria]

I suggest asking questions about recipes here https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=31311.0 And on Thermomix in this topic to discuss.
pulkeriaand how do they lie? To be honest, I also noticed that there is a difference when you weigh on the scales (I have an electronic Bosch) and on the TM. We went to visit Nizhny, I took everything, but forgot the scales. Weighed flour for bread in HP on TM. I put it overnight, in the end the bread did not work out. The next time I baked during the day and watched the bun.
After that, I weigh on TM only what may not be entirely accurate
And sometimes you can't catch these 5 grams on the scales - once, you've already poured it. I think it's not very convenient.
pulkeria, the TM should still stand only on a flat surface and not touch anything with its sides. This also changes the weight. Maybe you have this problem?

Nothing concerns me, and I also checked on electronic scales very reliable. And it also happens that the scales in TM seem to slow down, I pour, I pour, but they do not show anything. Or they start to show weight and then get lost - annoying. You have to call the service center and complain.

Off and in to where you go to Nizhny, I wind there too every summer, I have my mother, sister, friends there

Yes, ah-ah for a flood.
Raisin * ka, congratulations on the bread, you just wrote so joyfully that I was also very happy for you!
Girls, here's what about the scales according to the instructions:
1. It should be borne in mind that the scales show weight with a delay (as written, even in a few seconds).
2. The first 100 gr. they measure in 5 g increments, and then in 10 g increments. (i.e. 120 gr. may be 120 gr., and 129 gr.).
3. The scale mode is kept for some time (I don’t know for sure, but I manage to clean two or three potatoes during this time), and then it turns off automatically.

3.The scale mode lasts for some time (I don't know for sure, but I manage to clean two or three potatoes during this time), and then it turns off automatically.

The problem is that they can reset to zero in a few seconds, I don't even have time to wake up, or they show first, let's say, 140 grams, and then they sharply show 35 grams.

Oh, with the scales I also had a misfire a couple of times, but now I weigh everything only with the lid closed and everything returned to normal

With the lid closed? You can't do that, the scales will deteriorate. Or do you mean that the lid is open on the bowl?

She was scared herself, suddenly the scales would deteriorate. She asked the group how to weigh correctly, they say that it is possible to weigh with the lid closed, or add a container through the open hole, or put a container on a closed lid without MCH, reset the scales and add the product gradually. And every time to remove the lid to weigh, it seems to me a rather inconvenient way ...

Closed is when it is closed, locked. You probably still mean that the lid just lies on top of the bowl?
Because we were especially warned not to forget to turn off the scale before closing (locking) the lid.

Oh, I don’t understand what you mean ?!
It can be weighed in any state of the lid - removed or locked, with an open MCH or not. Right? But before, after weighing, you want to put the lid back and snap it (close), you need to reset the scale. So I understand you?

We were told that when the lid is locked, we cannot weigh.
It is necessary to unblock it, and then switch to weighing mode. You can weigh it either in a bowl, or put food on an unlocked lid, in a boiled one, you can put your container on the lid.
After using the scales, you must first switch to the timer mode, and then lock the lid.
We drew attention to this, because if you start blocking the lid in the scale mode, you can knock down the accuracy of the scales (maybe that's why they began to show inaccurately for some?).

Yes, I, frankly, can not imagine how to weigh with a locked lid, it strongly presses the bowl

Now in the instructions I read about accuracy! "The scale tolerance is +/- 30 g when weighing up to 2 kg.

Hello everyone! Your help is very necessary.
I'm getting married soon, we'll move to a separate apartment, my own and now I'm planning what I need to buy for the kitchen. But the kitchen is small 5.5 + there is a washing machine, and I also don't know how to cook, and I do everything very slowly and for a long time. Therefore, I want equipment that would help speed up the cooking process, and there should not be a lot of it, since the kitchen is small, there is nowhere to put it.
Tell me, dear housewives with experience, what kitchen utensils you need to purchase. From the very beginning, you can use a list (mixer, blender, food processor, pots, pans, double boiler, multicooker, pressure cooker, milk cooker, mantle, and multi-hotter, airfryer, or Thermomix) What is needed and what is not, there is not enough space (
And do you need a microwave in the kitchen. We only warm up in it. The kitchen already has built-in appliances, a gas hob and an electric oven (in which I also don't know what to cook)

You are at the right place!
If you have little space and you do not know how to cook, and even cabbage, then Thermomix will not take up much space, it will replace a bunch of other devices, and following the instructions from the book you will become just an excellent cook and cooking will take you a minimum of time. Thermomix really automates the cooking process.
In addition, get a universal pan so that both pancakes and scrambled eggs can be cooked.
From your list, Thermomix will do the work of the following technique:
mixer
blender
harvester
pan
frying pan (for stewing, sautéing, frying without a crust)
double boiler
multicooker
pressure cooker
milk cooker
mantle and much more :-)

And then you yourself will understand the rest, what will be necessary.
I use a microwave oven mainly for heating. But now I bought an Ultraplus Tupperware pot and will cook in it in the microwave.

I also advise you to pay attention to Tupperware dishes - it will help save space in cabinets and keep order in both cabinets and the refrigerator.
This is generally a "sweet couple" - in many videos about the Thermomix, Tupperware dishes flicker in the frame

(mixer, blender, food processor, pots, pans, steamer, multicooker, pressure cooker, milk cooker, mantle, and multi-hooter, airfryer, or Thermomix) What is needed and what is not, there is not enough space (
And do you need a microwave in the kitchen. We only warm up in it. The kitchen already has built-in appliances, a gas hob and an electric oven (in which I also don't know what to cook)

Just pay attention. that if you buy one Thermomix, then it may replace any of the listed devices, but while he is preparing one dish, you cannot do anything else - Thermomix will be busy. My mother also has the same small kitchen as yours, but the whole set of everything that the hostess needs - pots, pans, a mixer, a slow cooker - fits comfortably. Milk cooker, hotter, mantle and airfryer, steamer are not essential devices and are completely replaced by one multicooker, which costs much less than a thermomix. Read our forum, weigh the pros and cons. Understanding will surely come. Yes, even now someone will probably unsubscribe in the topic! We have people with such small kitchens who do not deny themselves anything from the devices - their experience will be very useful to you. So far, I can only give a link to the topic, where you can see how this happens https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=1366.0

Well, it certainly won't replace the Multicooker and the Bread Maker !!! And Anastasia is right that "while he cooks one dish, you cannot do anything else." Although you can cook in it, for example, in a saucepan and + something to steam. I really love my Thermomix, but I'm not going to exaggerate its qualities. He also needs a list of necessary kitchen equipment, pots, pans, etc. But this is a very subjective matter After all, who else loves what, what food preferences ...

In my opinion, TM is still a combine, and MV is a saucepan! This is where we start.

Thermomix is ​​both a saucepan and a food processor.
I cook everything in it in turn, and I do everything perfectly. In it, everything is quickly prepared, while one is being prepared, for another at this time, you can prepare products.
I cook everything in it (maybe, of course, we have such a diet that allows us to do this, for example, we don't eat fried), only sometimes I make my husband eggs on the stove or I cook dumplings and pancakes. And so Thermomix and Varoma cope with everything.

Thermomix is ​​both a saucepan and a food processor.

Also a double boiler, but ... it doesn't bake. Here to each his own. I have Thermomix, HP and MV complement each other perfectly.

Hello, I recently registered, although I had been on the forum before, I also have a weakness for kitchen appliances. (I have more than 20 of them all different), but kill me, I do not understand one thing because if this thing breaks, then there will not be all at once neither you scales nor a mixer nor a double boiler nothing !!! And why is it then? My oven costs as much as this very thermomix, so I really put it on and forgot, and then it will clean itself, and then why should I pay money for it? !! so throwing money !!! just do not be offended, these are just thoughts out loud !!!

svet_lana, you hate what you just have no idea about. Did you register solely for this?

Hello, I recently registered, although I had been on the forum before, I also have a weakness for kitchen appliances. (I have more than 20 of them all different), but kill me, I do not understand one thing because if this thing breaks, then there will not be all at once neither you scales nor a mixer nor a double boiler nothing !!! And why is it then? My oven costs as much as this very thermomix, so I really put it on and forgot, and then it will clean itself, and then why should I pay money for it? !! so throwing money !!! just do not be offended, these are just thoughts out loud !!!

If you don't like it, don't buy. We have already discussed that everyone decides to have or not to have. Good luck.

how funny you are how much anger is this why sorry for the money spent ?!

And I agree with svet_lana on something.Indeed, the price is too high. Here, in my opinion, 25 thousand is the maximum! Indeed, TM does not replace all devices for me, but simply combines. and I don’t get by with one TM and don’t use it to the fullest, because for many operations I find it more convenient to use special devices. I make juice only in a juicer, IMHO coffee tastes better in a coffee maker, if you beat something, then most often I use a semi-professional combine to shred and rub, for example, cheese.
But what is remarkable about TM is that the dough just comes out unusually there (taking into account that there is HP) and very quickly - hot buns appear on your table within an hour. Broths such as in TM you will never get in an ordinary saucepan, insanely delicious desserts that are unrealistic to make with any blender, my pets have never eaten any food from minced meat before - the minced meat that makes TM is simply incomparable, it is chopped, not grated and cutlets obtained from whole meat. Chicken breast, no matter how much you cook there, NEVER gets dry, it is always juicy elastic !!! You can continue for a long time.
At the expense of breakdowns - the warranty is 3 years and then, as soon as a new model appears, it is offered to exchange your old one for a small fee - no manufacturer offers this. If you have problems, you always have a person who will help you.
I do not regret that I bought it, but it does not replace everything for me. I use almost all the appliances in the kitchen and want to buy another small blender, because sometimes it is necessary to load and wash the TM afterwards is not very convenient. Yes, and so that there are no questions - I have an expensive and super-sophisticated model of the stove - but with TM, everything is still much simpler and most dishes are much tastier

And I will repeat for the millionth time that I think that buying TM makes sense when you have money or when you want something and don't know what. I do not consider this device to be vital. But if they ask me whether it is worth taking it, I will definitely answer YES.

Hello everybody! I have 2 TM models. The very first - I think she already has 20 years, (was presented) And the latest model, the one that we all have. That's - My old TM has never been repaired, although it has been in use for all its 20 years! And, as I understand it, each region has its own recipes for Russia, some for Italy, others. I have about 3000 Italian recipes! Can you imagine what miracles TM can do?

I saved up for six months and bought it, and I do not regret a drop!
Thermomix is ​​a very high quality European product, which is why it costs so much.

I think everyone who has already there is TM - do not regret it !!! Who more thinking about buying, of course hesitates. For me, the thing is irreplaceable. Especially for a small child, and especially not at home. I brought him and a multicooker to the dacha. HP had to be abandoned under the stern gaze of her husband: "the car is not rubber !!!" It works almost around the clock: kneads the dough, cooks soup, stews vegetables, and steamed cutlets, and cereals, and fruit drinks, and butter, and mayonnaise, and pate ...

That's for sure! I bought it 2 years ago, my mother cooks mainly in our family, and she is almost 70. She is delighted, her thermomix makes her life much easier. Now I gave it to my daughter, she doesn't like to cook, but at least she began to cook in the Thermomix. My friend also bought it for herself, then she gave it to her daughter after the wedding, now she is saving up again, for herself, otherwise she got used to it without a thermomix as if without hands.
Therefore, advice: if there is an opportunity to buy - buy, you will not regret it. It's like a car: a Zhiguli is also a car, but a foreign car is cleaner and more convenient to drive. And the more expensive the car, the more pleasant it is to drive.
And you, Anastasia, why are you so angry? Well, you don't like the thermomix - don't buy it. Why try to persuade others to save? Somehow, people themselves will figure out WHAT is more expensive for them - the time that the thermomix saves the hostess, or money. For example, my mother's health and my time are dearer to me than the money that I gave for the thermomix.

What are you arguing about? Whoever has this thing will talk about its advantages, who cannot buy it - "what the hell is it needed."You cannot immediately fry fish and pancakes in one frying pan (maybe there are amateurs). You can do without a meat grinder, and chop the meat with a knife (maybe it will be tastier, but someone tried to chop at least 0.5 kg, and then shout "The meat grinder is not needed, and it costs a little" There is just such a technique - Thermomix is ​​called names and she knows how to do so and so. And whether to buy or not - think head - I'll buy a cap! Yes, it saves time, but you can't cook a company in it, but it will replace several kitchen machines, but it costs a lot. Its pros and cons. And just screaming "Buy - a thing - IN! or" Yes, for that kind of money I'll buy a Mercedes "is not serious. I think so.

Phew, I read all 10 pages of Temko. There was a question about buying this unit. I already have HP, an airfryer, a milk cooker, a microwave oven, a double boiler, all sorts of zepter pots, zepter blender and tapervers.
I realized that this is a miracle for me absolutely unnecessarily - I'd rather buy a multicooker, and for the difference in money I will update my wardrobe

TM lived with me for 2 months, and then I returned it. The first month I actively mastered from the books of the TM club, and then I caught myself thinking that I did not want to approach him. Didn't suit:
- with a very small area of ​​the heated area, it cannot really fry anything. Products emit water, and from such an area it evaporates for a long time;
- working volume of only 1.5 liters;
- I deliberately did not use other household appliances and because of this I always stood in line at the TM in order to be able to use it for other functions (not counting the scales) - minus "all in one". If you cook soup, you won't drink coffee;
- during operation it rumbles VERY loudly.
But the butterfly beater is super-duper there! But not a dress that much for a blender!
And it's a pity to give money, it is sold abroad much cheaper.

Well, after TWO MONTHS, I could also return the TM, but after TWO YEARS I don’t agree. First there was a period of study, it was not without mistakes, of course, thanks, the girls helped, suggested from the Thermomix group to Germany. ru some moments, some came with experience, here I also learned a lot, but what is interesting, before there was not enough free space in my refrigerator, I even looked after a larger refrigerator, but now it became very spacious there, because there was no need to prepare something in advance, now just like according to Ayurvedic rules (for health, food must be eaten within 12 hours) is obtained without much effort.

[Ren-Li]

Ren-Li , it is a pity of course that you did not find each other with TM. Although, of course, some of your approaches are, to put it mildly, strange.

- with a very small area of ​​the heated area, it cannot really fry anything.

Of course, you can't fry cutlets !!! But the stew and potatoes are great !!!

I deliberately did not use other household appliances and because of this I stood in line all the time at the TM in order to be able to use it for other functions (not counting the scales) - minus "all in one".

I think that this would be the case with any appliance, if it is alone in the kitchen. I have a thermomix, a micro-cooker, a slow cooker, a slow cooker ... well, and one more little things. And then, sometimes there is a queue!

- during operation it rumbles VERY loudly.

Well, I don’t know ... I’m NOT VERY loud.

The only negative that I can determine after 5 years of use is that there is no automatic shutdown.

I want to add that the heating temperature there specifically cannot exceed a certain degree, so that carcinogens do not form in the food, so the crust will not be fried.

I had the skill of working with TM for several years with a friend, plus frequent trips to their club. And here at home, it's like dating and getting married - not the same thing. I do not argue - the technique is good, but for the sake of objectivity I drew attention to some things that are important for many families.Of course, if a person is a fan of kitchen devices, he has a lot of money and space, then why not? But many who are wondering about buying a TM have the simplest living conditions, they want to believe every written word, and the expected result may not work. And yet - he does not give free time, such as a slow cooker, you really have to jump to him all the time.
For objectivity's sake, I will say - I had 21, 31 of course improved, but they said the same about 21, and with the advent of a new model, it turns out that something was fixed, it was fixed ...

Well, yesterday a cartoon appeared for my thermomix. Girls, don't argue - these are two completely different devices that do not replace each other. Cartoon is good when there is NEVER to cook, TM is good when there is NO TIME to cook. Do you feel the difference? On weekends, with the help of TM, I make delicious rolls in an hour - the cartoon rests here, however, like the HP. My children are all scattered around the area in kindergartens and schools and it takes about 3 hours to collect them. I come home only at 7 pm. Dinner is ready at 8pm at the earliest. Here there is no price for the cartoon - in the afternoon I threw the food and forgot, returned with the kids and immediately everyone at the table. Semolina, broths - only TM. He does it many times better !!!! So with a small family budget and the absence of technical fanaticism - multi for the eyes. And the dispute is about nothing. It's like comparing a coffee machine and an electric kettle.

Help with the choice - take the TM21 thermomix (refubrished - restored at the factory, which is almost equal to new) for 20,000 rubles or TM31 (new) for 35,000 rubles? There are owners of both, can you tell me significant differences, otherwise I can't figure it out .... Is tm31 worth the extra money paid for it or buy tm21 and buy a multicooker with the money saved and calm down?

[lll___]

lll___ , welcome to the forum! The differences in 21 and 31 are only in the time management system. In the first mechanical, in the second electronic. In terms of functions and capabilities, they are the same. When I took mine, I was even upset at the beginning that 21 stopped selling.

tm31 (new) for 35,000 rubles?

And where did you find such prices ??? In my opinion, it is much more expensive !!!!

and all that difference? and what they write, supposedly at 31 there is an "extremely necessary" reverse motion of knives, that it heats up one and a half times faster and quieter in operation - are they lying?
and the prices are at the well-known foreign Internet auction.

and what they write, supposedly at 31 there is an "extremely necessary" reverse motion of the knives,

There is one. But I hardly ever use it.

that it heats up one and a half times faster and is quieter in operation -

In order not to mislead you, what is the power of 21?

and the prices are at the well-known foreign Internet auction.

Yes? This is an idea! Although there is a question of service. I've already repaired mine 3 times.

Here is what was written about tm21 at the auction:
# Maintenance-free universal motor 600 W at rated load
# Variable rotation speed from 100-12000 rpm.
# Turbo speed button
# Overload protection with automatic engine shutdown.
# Heating power 1350 W
# Overheat protection
# Case: high quality plastic
# Bowl: stainless steel
# High quality aluminum alloy, max. filling the container 2 liters
# Weighing mode from 10 g to 7.5 kg
# Varoma: stainless steel, plastic lid and shelves

On the service account: when buying a new one - the same 24 months warranty. The only thing that you have to spend money on is sending it to the seller (~ 20 euros). If the device breaks down 3 times in two years, then the cost of repair will be 60 euros (about 2500 rubles), which is still cheaper in total than buying here. Well, if you repair it after the warranty period, then does it really matter where you buy it, because any will be paid for ...
By the way, three breakdowns in how long? And what broke?

Nothing broke for me in three years. How lucky ...
I often use the reverse motion of knives.
I can't compare two models - I haven't even seen 21

By the way, three breakdowns in how long? And what was breaking?

Over the past 2 years (out of 5 years of active operation):
1 - cleaned the board (food hit, as written in the service)
2 - replacing the board (cleaning did not help)
3 - replacement of the knife (the plastic on which it is attached broke, and the whole structure had to be changed)
Plus I changed the sealing gum in the lid. By the way, you also need to buy it, you will have to change it in a couple of years.

# Maintenance-free universal motor 600 W at rated load
# Variable rotation speed from 100-12000 rpm.
# Heating power 1350 W

I'm confused, if not shocked. I went to specially read my instructions:
# Maintenance-free universal motor 500 W at rated load
# Variable rotation speed from 100-10200 rpm.
# Heating power 1000 W
All my life I thought that it had a power of 1000W.

Once again about the reversible knives. It is assumed that the products will not deform with reverse rotation. But this is from the evil one. The deformation still occurs.

Yes, the parameters of tm21 are higher than those of tm31 ... Perhaps this is due to the design feature of tm31 and there is no need for excessive motor power and heating. But I still do not understand why the reverse motion of the knives may be required? ..
By the way, spare parts (including sealing gum) are all at the same auction ...