Choosing a built-in oven

And the kitchen doesn’t smell like biscuits or chicken? Quite quite?

We're not talking about smells in the kitchen, but about mixing aromas of dishes in the oven!

[Yarik]

Larissa, what is your model of burning?

They don't let her out anymore Yarik - GORENJE EVP443 424M. I love her - 5 levels, telescopic guides, convection, grill, cooling fan, luminous display, timer, mirrored door. Stands close to the refrigerator, but absolutely does not heat it.

Larik, is it not an installation, but just a separate one? And you fit her so well into the column. Or is it just a door covering the sides of the cabinet?

[Olga]

not a built-in, but just a free-standing one?

Olga, Larisa has a real building.
Larissa, I'm sorry I got in ...

[Umka19]

Of course, Umka19 right, insertion. Sfotala unsuccessfully, the walls are not visible, they are.

We're not talking about smells in the kitchen, but about mixing the aromas of dishes in the oven!

So I wondered how you can stick your nose into the oven to feel if they mix there at different levels or not.))

By the way, can I ask you to consider the fan device, eh? Where are the blowouts directed there? Maybe strictly up and down? Then at least some chance of non-intersection of the final streams. Although the primary air is still drawn in at once from both levels and mixed on the fan.
My left and down, I think ... Yesterday I baked crackers on convection, so the most ruddy were the cookies near the glass.

I still want to see this narrow one. They promised to give me the dimensions of its internal, and if there is not quite horror, I will take a look, take a picture and report to you.
It’s a sinful thing for me to even think about taking a freestanding 50cm and gutting it so that it can be installed without a cabinet. Just a place for it will be.
That is, remove the bottom drawer, the hob, etc. Only it is not clear what to do with the control panel, it is dependent there, I will remove the cooker, but the buttons will remain

It is a sinful thing for me to even have the thought to take a free-standing 50cm and gut

What is it like?? Is it a freestanding desktop, or what? So they are poor compared to a full-fledged oven. Not?

No, Bizhulka, take a freestanding stove and gut the insides of it. It's just not clear what to do with the control panel, because there are buttons for the hob, but they will only be needed for the oven.
This is so thoughts - on the verge of a glitch, but I want to take a closer look at such an idea in the store.

Wow, you've got a gap in the kitchen!
No, I don't know what to do in such situations ... After a full-fledged insertion at chest level, I generally disagree on anything else.

Flax, so an inset for 60 is about the same inside as a separate one for 50, not much more, but even less. I now have a separate suite for 50, so it is more roomy than a friend's building for 60.
In addition, how much grandfather and I need to drive a half-empty oven

And I have Gorenie, I recently changed the kitchen and appliances. And the other day I baked a cake and burned it hopelessly, of which the oven is of course to blame)))))) I forgot about it, and the oven is so airtight and removes odors so well that I didn't even smell the burning smell, only when I remembered myself about the pie

Therefore, I concluded: "Burning" is an excellent oven. Recommend.

[Ludmila]

Ludmila, thanks for the warning, and we will write it down, do not leave the oven)))) I chose everything between burning and electrolux, in the end I sit waiting for the delivery of burning)))

[Luna Nord]

Luna Nord, there is no shutdown timer in your oven or the time-out buzzer is at a minimum that you didn't hear It?

For those who will face the question of choosing a new electric oven, I will specially write: having a timer in the oven and turning off the oven at the end of a given cooking time are completely different functions! Therefore, when choosing a model, regardless of the brand, check directly in the instructions whether the oven turns off after the baking time you have set, or only squeaks and bakes further until you come running and turn it off.

[Tanya-Fanya]

only when she remembered about the pie

A timer for sho ??

Oh and Tanya-Fanya about the same. Always!! set the cooking duration. Only with the amendment that I may not be there in time if I don't hear the squeak. Therefore, the bread is turned on at maximum for only 9 minutes, and remove it after half an hour. The pies are turned off after 20-25, and removed after 30-35 minutes. But if I did, I can do it according to the circumstances - either set the timer to alarm again, or turn on the heating again, or take out the ready-made ...

In short, everyone needs their own habits, but the first thing in the oven is an electronic timer to switch off by cooking duration!

the oven needs an electronic timer to turn off by the duration of cooking!

Absolutely !!! In addition to the countdown, our oven also turns on a circle divided into 4 sectors. And every quarter of the allotted cooking time, one sector goes out.

[Wit]

Wit, but imagine that ovens with a mechanical timer are still being sold! And the most surprising thing is that someone buys them.

What a horror!

ovens with a mechanical timer are still on sale! And the most surprising thing is that someone buys them.

I, I am this "someone", I have a gas Zanussi with a mechanical timer, and so something, but the timer suits me perfectly, I'm still spinning around, why would I need a timer to turn off

[Olga VB]

It’s a sinful thing for me to even think about taking a freestanding 50cm and gutting it so that it can be installed without a cabinet. Just a place for it will be.

Olga VB, Olya, and the walls of the furniture (side and back) will not overheat? In installations it is not just that the thickness of the walls and the fan that blows hot air forward.

I'm still spinning around, why would I need a shutdown timer

To stop spinning around, don't you?

[Lena]

Lena, no, I have no other way, I cook a lot at the same time, I feed my daughter next to me, a washing machine, a dishwasher, start my something, well, such a habit ... and the timer in the oven is so loud that I can hear it in the bedroom too, if anything, and buying an electric oven from us is not an option, there is no voltage in the network

[V-tina]

V-tina,

well, such a habit ..

A good habit, actually.
And my baking is not always predicted in advance and intersects with my next location.)) I was just nearby or in the next room, and now I whistled into the yard for some trifle, I forgot and I pulled weeds.

I forgot and I pull the weeds.

Then, of course, it is convenient when it turns itself off, and I don't always turn on the mechanical timer, only if I go out to other rooms or dig on the Internet

and the walls of the furniture (side and back) will not overheat? In installations, it is not just that the thickness of the walls and the fan that blows hot air forward

I have a wall in place there on one side, and an open space on the other. Moreover, I think to make a wall panel on the side (on this wall near the oven) from the open side, since the sink is nearby.
With regard to heating. I have El now. deluxe suite, close to both sides, as built-in, kitchen. pedestals.
With prolonged operation of the oven inside the cabinet, you can feel the warmth directly on the wall, 3-5 cm from it - no longer.
But I still want to go see narrow ovens.Their depth is not very different, but a couple of centimeters may turn out to be significant, the height is standard, and the width depends on the materials of the walls, that is, in some, due to their thickness, they are thermally insulated, and in others, due to the corresponding materials, that is, . the camera turns out wider.
So far I have found a max volume of 45 liters (there are 49 due to the greater height, 55 more write, but I can't believe it), but I'm more interested in the real width, so that I can freely put 2 bread tins or a gosyatnik.

[Wit]

Wit, but imagine that ovens with a mechanical timer are still being sold! And the most surprising thing is that someone buys them.

I! I am buying and I really like this manual timer.
everything, the choice is over.

Does anyone know about the official Siemens website? All documents read Siemens-home.com. I can't find it, it says the domain is for sale.

An oven bought a year ago gives out a floating defect - it works, then it turns off after 2 minutes. I worked for only a year and 3 months, moreover, this is a suburban option, that is, I very rarely used it. I'm tired of butting with the Moscow service. The master came, checked everything and said - well, the power unit probably needs to be changed. It costs about 15 thousand plus work. Ok, we agreed. The block came yesterday, but then there is no desire to contact this service, sheer rudeness.
I want to write to the manufacturer, I can not find the official site. The oven was made in Germany, but if after a year you need to change its brains, then there is even nothing to say
Maybe instead of brains, buy a cheaper and better oven
I would be glad to receive advice and advice from our technicians specialists. Easter is ahead, my husband's birthday, I really need her

I am, unfortunately, not an oven technician. Let's wait for the specialists, and I'll read it myself. And I have had an oven for less than a year. The set of functions suits us, the price too. Moreover, it is compact. There were only three firms on the market. The price of one of the firms was almost half that of those two with the same bells and whistles.

[Vitaly]

Vitaly, Thank you! I found a site all the same, now it's B / S / H.
I called another Siemens service, they said bring it to Moscow, the master comes on the day of the call and all the parts and components are in stock. And I also watched videos about faults. I was diagnosed without opening the back cover of the oven. They immediately issued a replacement for the power unit, it is shown here that there may be melted wires when they contact from the inside of this cover. It is clear that I did not have diagnostics, the voltage and appearance of the plug were checked. Everything is fine here.
Here is such a service from Siemens, BSH household appliances

[Hope]

Hope, which is why I am not looking towards the current Bosch and Siemens. They used to be different. We have earned a name, a reputation for IR ... yes, you are all right now. Well, softer, of course. Not Bosch and Siemens changed, but new people who came changed them. Therefore, reviews, reviews, reviews. And we think!

The master came, checked everything and said - well, the power unit, probably, needs to be changed. It costs about 15 thousand plus work.

Nadia, about the power unit - this is the standard answer of the masters (((. Last year, during the pyrolysis, the NEFF oven died, exactly on New Year's Eve, having worked for 8 years. A month was waiting for this unit from Germany, it cost 10 thousand, some more They give a guarantee after repair for a year.I worked for a year after replacement without any complaints, dared to turn on the pyrolysis once after New Year's cooking, everything is also ok. TTT.

[Cvetaal]

Cvetaal.. Sveta, yes, I understand that this is the standard answer, since this is the most expensive spare part for this oven, together with the work it comes out about 20 thousand plus diagnostics. But yours, worked for 8 years, and I have a year and with an incomplete load. So, it turns on the second time and works. Sometimes it starts blinking and clicking, therefore, I'm afraid that something else will fail ... If it flew, it is unlikely that it worked normally. Floating defect, that is, it does not exist, this is not clear. I feel sorry for the oven, I love it very much, but there is no desire to communicate with this service.I want to hear the opinion of the second service, and then make a decision. I understand that for the money that I will pay for repairs, I can buy no worse and with a guarantee for a year.
Dishwasher Siemens has been in operation for 14 years, TTT

The Siemens dishwasher has been operating for 14 years,

: Because this is the TOT Siemens, not the current one. So is the service.

[Jouravl]

JouravlNadezhda, alas, I won't really say about the ovens, I'm sure that it is possible to carry out repairs at the component level without changing the power unit, but the official service will not deal with this, they just change the assembled unit. Can you look for another service, one that will undertake normal diagnostics and repair of the power unit without replacement?

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, Sasha,: hi: thanks a lot! Well, now I want to follow the path of three opinions, I call the master not from the official representatives of the manufacturer, I take her to Moscow, there it will be easier to resolve the issue with the repair.
And the official one, it was I who summoned the wizard for diagnostics in two weeks, after the arrival of the block it is another month, they offer me another two weeks, they cannot earlier, well, I have to adjust to them, and they say that under the contract they have 90 days. Apparently, they are overwhelmed with work on the repair of high-quality German equipment.
I will find out the breakdown and be sure to write to the manufacturer's website, what kind of equipment is this, at such a price

And the official one, it was I who called the wizard for diagnostics in two weeks, after the arrival of the block it is another month, they offer me another two weeks, they cannot earlier, well, I have to adjust to them, and they say that under the contract they have 90 days. Apparently, they are overwhelmed with work on the repair of high-quality German equipment.
I will find out the breakdown and be sure to write to the manufacturer's website, what kind of equipment is this, at such a price

This is how we started to repair the Siemens washing machine. We were also offered to completely change the motor for the cost of half a car and wait a month. The husband cursed, disassembled the car, took out the engine, replaced the worn out parts and the machine works.
They do not want to repair services, there is no fat on small parts, and there is more work than completely replacing the block. The spirit of the times.

[Exocat]

ExocatLyuda, if they did it promptly, without rudeness, honestly, they would replace the block and calm down. And that was the master and said, they should call you, they should be in the warehouse. They did not call, silence, I call in two weeks and say that with Our application, they said, they will call you back. Yes, a call a day later, they ordered a call in Germany, it looks like they ordered after my call ... moreover, I am talking to the girls from the reception. The master, who came, the number was not determined, I still thought, it was very strange, somehow ... now I understand.

[Exocat]

ExocatLyuda, if they did it promptly, without rudeness, honestly, they would replace the block and calm down. And that was the master and said, they should call you, they should be in the warehouse. They did not call, silence, in two weeks I call and say that with Our application, they said, they will call you back. Yes, a call a day later, they ordered a call in Germany, it looks like they ordered after my call ... moreover, I am talking to the girls from the reception. The master, who came, the number was not determined, I still thought, it was very strange, somehow ... now I understand.

Everything was one to one. The master came, looked, did not speak very correctly, to be honest, said that you need to order and it is awesome, and wait a long time. When we began to find out what exactly and why it broke down, because the car is only a few years old, then I just started to be rude that if you are so smart, then repair it yourself.
In general, the OBS reported that all repairs in Moscow belong to one owner and this is his policy, so to speak. And this service has nothing to do with the manufacturer itself, they just have a contract for the supply of certified parts, monopoly in all its glory. However, if they lied to me,: rose: then I also lie.

The manufacturer includes the service BSH household appliances. They are on the site and on all accompanying documents.A question to the components, do other repairmen have, let's see what the verdict will be for us

They are on the site and on all accompanying documents.

This means nothing. These are just organizations with which the manufacturer has a contract. They are not part of the manufacturer. This means that the manufacturer is not responsible for the business processes of this organization. If you complain about them, and someone does, they will be excluded from the lists on the website and in the instructions for the technique. Alas, this is the reality.

[Exocat]

Exocat, Luda, maybe. That's exactly what I want to complain about them. For them to be excluded from the list, for this I must have arguments. Here I collect it up to a heap and send it to the manufacturer.

Moreover, compact

Red-haired, and which one? they are compact in height and in width. Which one do you have?
I look closely at the narrow ones, 45 cm wide, but I can't decide if this is enough for the modest needs of 2 old people who mainly indulge in baking

Olya, I will answer later, but in detail and with pictures.

The oven repairman came, looked, and began to unscrew the power supply and the power unit, probably took it off for an hour, took it with him for diagnostics in order to pass it on to a specialist in microcircuits. Let it be for now.

It's sad, the master called and said that the blocks are alive, but apparently there is a failure somewhere in the program, it turns on the second time ... tomorrow he will come again, he will look at it again.
What to do, I don't know, buying another is easier? Which one? Yesterday he read me a list of oven calls, Bosch is in the lead, Electrolux, but they buy more, Samsung, Cortig, a full range of our market assortment. Siemens was alone.
What to do?

[Jouravl]

buy another easier?

Jouravl, Hope, You have already answered.
Decide on the parameters and those functions that you need, and those that you can easily do without. The price will pleasantly surprise you. Choice too.
Good luck to you!

[Wit]

Wit, probably will have to, there were many programs and functions here, I also used heating dishes and drying fruits and sous vide. A lot of things, but I definitely did not use Shabbat. Damn, it's so hard to refuse my oven, this is the main thing, I practically don't cook on the stove and rarely in a slow cooker.

And here I began to suspect that not everything in my Electrolux oven is normal. According to the instructions, when she picks up the set temperature, she pips, like she has already typed it). I have noticed for a long time that it’s sipping, that it’s already warmed up properly, but it’s not so hot there, everything bakes much longer. I measured it yesterday. She set it to 200 degrees, she peeped after 10 minutes. And when you press the right button 200 shows on the scoreboard. And in real life, on the oven thermometer (checked, normal), which I put on the wire rack, then there is 115 degrees. And then the temperature on it gradually increased, but reached 200 in 29 minutes from the moment the oven was turned on. I think it shouldn't be that way. In general, I called the store where I bought it. Tomorrow a specialist from the service center will come from them, they will check. If I am right and this is a jamb, then they either repair it under warranty or they can take it away from me. As it did not grow together with me with her. Then I'll take Gorenie from them, as I bought my daughter-in-law, she praises her everything, and it's cheaper, and most importantly, she approaches the new kitchen in design. And how did I manage to buy this high-tech?
In general, tomorrow they will come to check, but I do not know what to be ready for and what tricky questions they may ask so that the oven warranty does not work. It is still standing on my curbstone in the nursery, not built-in yet, I told them that I do not use it, well, I used it once, I decided to check it, and the jamb got out. Although I do not use it anyway, maybe five or six times since October and turned it on. While I am using the old one, repairs are still underway

Tanya, please write how it will end. We have the same joint. Under warranty, repairs seem to take up to 40 days. If you do not meet it, just ask for money. And there most likely glitches in the brain and you need to change the entire fee.And this is removed, sent to ELUX (probably not in the SC), wait until it comes (and they will not rush). I think just tell me that you won't wait more than 40 days. I really do not know how in Ukraine with warranty repairs on time. But it's recognizable. Good luck!

[Wit]

Wit, I also do not know how in Ukraine with warranty repair. We do not have Ukrainian SCs here at the moment)). Yes, and from us to Electrolux, it is probably unrealistic to send something for a replacement. Well, in any case, as soon as it becomes clear, I will write. Maybe tomorrow they will say something.