Choosing a built-in oven

This business!!!!!

Tell me where to read smart things about the catalytic converter? I am choosing an oven, I want to understand how important and helpful the presence of a catalyst is. I used to clean the oven the old way: a baking sheet with water and a brush

Tell me where to read smart things about the catalyst

Maybe this video will help in choosing:

Very interesting, thanks! Only there are a lot of advertisements here, but it would be more useful for me to hear what independent experts say. Do you have an oven, by any chance, not with a catalyst?

Do you have an oven, by any chance, not with a catalyst?

I have a Bosch HBN380751, with easy cleaning enamel, a catalytic filter only on the back of the oven, triple glazing.
I really want it with pyrolysis, I just rave about such an oven ...

In the Yandex market, I looked at several ovens by filters:

Electrolux EOA 93434 AX for 31 557 rubles.



Fornelli FEA 60 Belcanto for 31 850 rub.



Kuppersberg HO 663 T for 30,990 rubles.



Korting OKB 793 CMX for 41,990 rubles.



The design favorites were Electrolux and Fornelli. There are many more positive reviews on Fornelli. The Electrolux oven volume is 4 liters larger, I don't know whether it matters or not, but there are only 4 levels of the baking sheet. The other two have even smaller volumes.
Korting is expensive, although the characteristics seem to be the same ...
Electrolux does not yet have a child protection system.

A little confused. Is there something worth choosing from this?

[Kafam]

Kafam, I am for

Electrolux EOA 93434 AX for 31 557 rubles.

Good evening, Kafam, an oven with sewer cleaning, as you were looking for, but in Moscow its price is 21270 ..., something in Tyumen you have hefty prices ... or ...

There are many more positive reviews on Fornelli.

Oh yes .. They are more literate than Redmond.)) Just a little more, and you can believe that real users write reviews.

Electrolux is the most common one, in principle, I have exactly the same - two recessed twists with a display of the mode in the window, three buttons for setting the timers, a ring heater with convection, three glasses ... Only there seems to be catalysis, but I have a temperature probe. Was. I even regret that I lost it. ((

But why 31 thousand ?? It is inexpensive, from 25 thousand. Vaughn Citylink is even 23 in total.

[Kafam]

Kafam, do you bake?
It seems to me that the temperature probe and steam are more important than catalytic cleaning. However, there are models and 3 in 1. That ElLux.

[requirements: pyrolysis, temperature probe, telescope, convection, timer off and I want steam ...]

I was puzzled by the oven in the summer ...

requirements: pyrolysis, temperature probe, telescope, convection, timer off and I want steam ...

considered Electrolux
(there are downloaded directories, I took them on the resource I don't remember which one),
and Ikeevskie electrolux with pyrolism (Kulinarisk, Mirakulius and Granslös)

I was not too lazy to go to Ikea, M-video (MV) and Mediamarkt (MM), to scout out the situation and feel!

I will not say that it is more expensive in Ikea than in these "MV" and "MM"

In fact, there are no ovens with pyrolysis and steam at the same time in reality.
(and in the Electrolux 2016 catalog there is! OPEC 6631 and still the same, but the sensor, both are Italian assembly),

online shopping (my headache !! how to distinguish one-day dealers with deliberately low prices ?? from ephemera with high prices ?!) offer this opec 6631 from 40 thousand to 65 thousand ...
For forty I would have tensed and took it, but for 65 it scares me that they are sold by such unreliable shops, as well as for forty ........

So far, I feel inclined to buy in Ikea ... Gransles is over forty, but without a PAr......

By the way, the protruding Gransles handles seemed to me more reliable than the recessed ones ... (there is protection from children, although it is not relevant to me)

Stuck on the question: PAR

I plan to bake bread in the oven, have baking experience in RUSSIAN OVEN and a Supra bread maker (two scoops)

So you need steam for what?

Is it soft or crispy?
so as not to open the oven again?
Is this steam necessary for meat, pies, game, vegetables?

It turns out great in the Russian oven, but it's already hard for me to heat both the dough and the oven in one day (I’ll either melt it or not finish it all the time).
I am satisfied with the Russian oven (I have been using it since 2006), but cookies and meringues require attention, since you need to be able to monitor the temperature.

Who bought the oven where?
Online store or in Ikea, MV and MM ???
Bought it cheaper than others?

Is it soft or crispy?

the crust is quite crispy, but inside the meat is juicy, not overdried.

I bought my oven 2 years ago at the time of a crazy jump in the dollar and euro exchange rates, after which there was nothing in the stores, and what was, then the prices changed every hour. So I found only one online store that sold one single oven with the same set of requirements, but I gave up pyrolysis in favor of an increased oven volume and steam.
The oven has been working flawlessly all these 2 years. Although sometimes it seems to me that it overheats a little, but at the same time it displays the real actual temperature inside the cabinet. So it's controllable.

[Vei]

Vei, you have a wonderful oven, and there is a hydrolysis oven cleaning with steam.
There are ovens with both pyrolysis and steam, but expensive ...

the crust is quite crispy, but inside the meat is juicy, not overdried.

Aha! And what kind of crust does bread get from steam?

[Margit]

There are ovens with both pyrolysis and steam,

Margit, they have only recently come to our market. But they will be expensive !!!

What kind of crust does bread get from steam?

I baked the bread in the automatic mode, it periodically gives off steam, not constantly, and therefore a crust forms. And much more depends on the percentage of humidity and temperature, this is a whole science.

I baked these cakes with steam:

[Kafam]

Kafam, I am for

Electrolux EOA 93434 AX for 31 557 rubles.

Good evening, Kafam, an oven with sewer cleaning, as you were looking for, but in Moscow its price is 21270 ..., something in Tyumen you have hefty prices ... or ...

I took prices in the same place on Yandex Market, average. We must, of course, look better. Maybe there will be discounts. All the same, I can not choose between Fornelly and electrolux.

As I wrote: The Electrolux oven volume is 4 liters more, I don’t know whether it matters or not, but there are only 4 levels of the baking sheet. Electrolux does not yet have a child protection system.

I also wanted to look at the models in the store, but I can't find them anywhere.

And what kind of stainless steel they have to the touch, no one knows?

[Kafam]

Kafam, Electrolux ovens can be viewed and touched at IKEA.
True, there are their own models, but cases, buttons, and so on are widely represented there.

There are five levels for the installation of trays in Ikeevsky electrolux.

It is difficult to say "what" stainless steel to the touch. specially tried to "slap" glass and stainless steel.
Traces on the glass are visible, on the stainless steel are not visible.
The metal is smooth and pleasant to the touch, there is no sense of tin!

The consultant recommended not to bake meat, fish and poultry on convection mode, so that later you would not have to suffer with how to scrub away the splashes carried by the "wind" to all corners of the oven ...

Also, a very pleasant impression of the handles that do not recessed (I liked it, since they are made of metal).
The price of the functionality does not depend on the handles (both external and recessed ones cost the same).

Thank you, I'll take into account the ikea and stainless steel!

By convection mode, yes, it is logical, perhaps

As for the knobs, while I'm looking, I got the opposite feeling: ovens with recessed switches, when compared with ovens with conventional rotary knobs, are more expensive, with almost the same set of functions.

But recessed handles, of course, should be more convenient. I choose one myself.

my mother has an Electrolux with recessed handles, and I have touch control, that is, without handles. I like my mother's version more. She has had this oven for 9 years. They use it a couple of times a week. Everything works flawlessly.

Beautiful version with both recessed handles and touch control in the center of the FEA 60 Infinita

[Stasya]

Stasya, about steam and a crust of bread. You have a little mess in your head. When baking bread, steam is not supplied all the time, but only for the first 10-15 minutes. Then the bread is baked without steam. Steam is needed so that the crust of bread does not set very quickly, it remains soft and elastic. Then, with an explosive increase in volume, it will not tear where it is not supposed to. And it will stretch. And when the growth of the bread is over, then we bake it to the desired crust without steam. Something like this.

[Anchic]

AnchicI have already tried to bake bread in a new oven (without a steam function), in fact there was a lot of steam in the oven ...
And the bread turned out with an even crust (baked in a form from HP Supra) and at the same time I used the temperature probe.
I just thought it was necessary for bread (STEAM), and if it worked out so well, then this STEAM should not be a headache when looking for an oven with pyrolysis.

Kafam, I meant that in Ikea I stood in front of two ovens for forty thousand, the functionality is the same
(look on the website Gransles for 40 thousand and that, what with recessed for 40 thousand.), stood and felt them.

It was more pleasant for me that the handle of the "wind-glass" from Gransles is round, and I took it, took it back the same day, after 22 hours ...

I thought about the sensor (to make it easier to wash), and there are such in Ikea, but it's more difficult for me to manage this.
Still, the buttons and knobs somehow turned out to be easier for me.

[Stasya]

Stasya, yes, electric ovens do not have the same ventilation as gas ovens. Therefore, the moisture that the bread evaporates remains inside and when opened, it comes out. I bake with steam, but I pour a cup of boiling water into a heated frying pan. After 15 minutes I take out the frying pan and bake the bread. Well, when baking in the form of steam, you do not need it, since the bread does not come into contact with air over a large area, it does not give so much vapor. When baking on the hearth, I think extra steam is needed.

[Anchic]

Anchic, this is a good point. This means that when baking on the hearth, this steam needs to be organized by the most ...

Clearly, I will delve into the processes!
After the Russian stove, I try to adjust to the oven.
I love that there is a timer (with shutdown) and temperature setting from 30 to 300 degrees!
It's so convenient!

and setting temperatures from 30 to 300 degrees!

Well, three hundred, okay, it will heat up as much as it can.) But at least it would be desirable to measure it in advance - anything can happen, sometimes thirty drawn ones turn into almost sixty in fact. Yes, yes, an expensive oven with an electronic sensor. ((So that later you don't miss in the case of real cooking, otherwise you never know ...

[Bijou]

Bijou, while I just put on low (first 30, then added up to 40 degrees) bread and rolls,
I'll get to the metal thermometers for the ovens, I'll measure ...

I am one of those who trust, but check!
I also wrote that the temperature is not set in the Russian oven at all ... I compared ...

Oh, well, if the bread went well, then everything is fine, I guess. It was one friend who either yoghurt or fermented baked milk turned out badly, so he took care of measuring the temperatures. It turned out to be such a garbage, everything living there dies from overheating.

[Bijou]

Bijou,

anything can happen, sometimes thirty sketches turn into almost sixty in fact. Yes, yes, an expensive oven with an electronic sensor. ((So that later you don't miss in the case of real cooking, otherwise you never know ...

In fact, I have an excess of no more than 5 degrees from the declared one. So the declared 30 in fact 35 will be the plane itself. I can't admire my Masya

I am one of those who trust, but check!

Exactly. Exactly.

[Sensations]

Oh, well, if the bread went well, then everything is fine, I guess. It was one friend who either yoghurt or fermented baked milk turned out badly, so he took care of measuring the temperatures. It turned out to be such a garbage, everything living there dies from overheating.

Sensationswhen you take out the matched bread to turn on full heating,
what a frying pan handle just warm, at the level of my body temperature.
I have already baked several rolls with a temperature probe.
Definitely, without a temperature probe, I would have kept the bread in the oven longer.

The telescopes were good (two pairs included), but I put one pair, that's enough for me for hot dishes.

Telescopes are needed when you cook vegetables and meat, in order to take off hot things easier.
but cookies and bread in telescopes are not particularly needed.
Although, when I insert the temperature probe into the bread, it is better that it goes out.

PAR - if we bake in the form, then you can not worry. I don't do it on purpose.
But! I really liked it when the bread stands on the residual heat in the oven after baking (I had it until the morning), since moisture remains inside the oven, the crust is soft. And the bread itself is not "wet", but soft!

PYROLYSIS - I have already tried it after three hot dishes (fish, potatoes, meat with vegetables), there were splashes fried on the wall near the fan (I cooked WITHOUT convection). Almost everything burned out clean, but there were several specks of the size of a needle's eye on the enamel near the glass.
There was a smell, but this is the same smell that was from the oven when I burned it with industrial grease.

I took my oven in Ikea (for those who are looking for what I bought, see my messages above or write in a personal).

[Stasya]

Stasya, and what is the model in IKEA with steam, with a probe, and with pyrolysis? Why don't I remember that
There, it seems, either steam or pyrolysis. Or how?

[Stasya]

Stasya, and what is the model in IKEA with steam, and with a probe, and with pyrolysis? Why don't I remember that
There, it seems, either steam or pyrolysis. Or how?

In Ikea, unfortunately either with steam or pyrolysis.
I took it with pyrolysis.
It turned out to be fine for me and so, because I always bake bread in molds.
And there it turns out a nice soft thin crust.

But in the Electrolux catalog for 2016 there are definitely two models with steam and pyrolysis at the same time.
One of them is OPEC 6631X (seems to be correct), and the second one I do not remember which one.

Added Monday 12 Dec 2016 03:10 PM

PAR - if we bake in the form, then you can not worry. I don't do it on purpose.

I meant that I did just fine without the steam function when baking bread in a ...
It is NOT in my oven from Ikea.

But in the Electrolux catalog for 2016 there are definitely two models with steam and pyrolysis at the same time.
One of them is OPEC 6631X (seems to be correct), and the second one I do not remember which one.

The second is a complete twin, only of the "obsolete" type. Can only be found in leftovers if you're lucky. It really costs less.

The second is a complete twin, only of the "obsolete" type. Can only be found in leftovers if you're lucky. It really costs less.

If I am not mistaken, the only difference is that one has a sensor, the other has recessed handles.

By the way, for those who think that the sensor is convenient, as it will be easier to wash ..

I took it with simple (non-heatable) handles and there is always a small terry napkin (15x15 cm) on the oven, so I take it and control what you want with my palms (in flour or oil), the stove remains clean. Naturally, in the process and at the end, I wipe the oven.

I chose the white electrolux EOB95450AV, but I'm still thinking about it. The price in MVideo is 41990, I would like something cheaper, but I don't know yet. Who has a similar one, please share your impression.

[proshka]

proshka, Inna, the price of the oven is now 34990 (in the store that you indicated). For that kind of money (especially white), an excellent price / quality ratio.

[Ludmila]

Ludmilawhere? I saw it in Lipetsk last week and the price was the same in the online store.

[Inna]

Inna, hold

🔗

P.S. Inna, this store has one more feature, when registering on the site and paying by bank transfer (card), you can get another 5% discount.

[Ludmila]

Ludmila, Thank you. I will probably take it. Although, I was looking for a beige one and a brewhouse in beige, too, but after going through the shops, I saw that the beige ones are mostly in vintage style, but it doesn't suit us. I wanted it with steam, although I only bake cakes once a year.
Ludmila, and a card on the site to pay for a discount or in a store? I am a complete layman in this matter ...

[Inna]

although I only bake cakes once a year.

Inna, appetite comes with eating !!!
Keep in mind that this price will only be 36 hours ... so think and decide !!!

Added Wednesday 14 Dec 2016 07:33 PM

and pay with a card on the site so that the discount is

Inna, on the site. When making a purchase in IM.

electrolux-eob95450av

If without pyrolysis, look in Ikea there are also white ones, (up to 30,000-33,000 which)
There the equipment is a bit steeper.

They are also Electrolux (differ from Whirlpool in terms of volume, for Electrolux 72l)

See Grensleos for 31,999 (they are ivory, not bubbly white)

there is also cheaper cream TIENLIG,
but he has 65 liters, and to be sure,
that this is Electrolux, you need to download the instruction file, but I'm not comfortable right now ...
But you don't care, in Lipetsk there is no Ikea ...

[svstasya]

svstasya, Stasya, in Lipetsk Ikea is not. And the difference is 2000 rubles. - you will spend more on gasoline. The Whirlpool company has not been working with Ikea for a long time.

Yes, we do not have Ikea, unfortunately.

[Inna]

Yes, we do not have Ikea, unfortunately.

Inna, not a big loss ... 2017 should be opened in Voronezh.
The oven you have chosen is better than Ikeev's. If I am not late yet, I have sent you a discount code in PM.

[Ludmila]

Ludmila, Thank you so much. True, I'm out of town now, I just can't register from the tablet, it just takes evil. The connection is disgusting here and tomorrow, probably, I'll go to Lipetsk.

Lyudmila, can you pay with a card on the site so that there is a discount or in a store? I am a complete layman in this matter ...

You will register on the site. Although you can buy without registration, probably, but I have not tried it.)
Firstly, if you select "Favorite Store" during registration, which will later be offered for self-pickup by default, you will receive a discount code of 500 rubles by mail. It can be inserted into the window when placing an order and the amount will be recalculated.

Secondly, call them on the hotline and specify how to deal with a bonus card in this case - for every 15,000 accumulated with its participation, 500 rubles of bonuses will come, which live for six months and with which you can pay for almost any product (now it seems there are exceptions for promotional items). That is, it would be nice to have at least a virtual one, so that these bonuses from the purchase would fall on it (it will be a thousand in money and a little more "in reserve" will wait for further purchases in a similar way). But I don't know if it is virtual or if you still need to go and register it in the store, then enter the number in your personal account.

Well, as already mentioned, minus 5% from online payment.

That is, you can save quite a lot if you take a little care and successfully flatten everything.

Added Wednesday 14 Dec 2016 08:32 PM

The connection is disgusting here and tomorrow, probably, I'll go to Lipetsk.

Oh, then just drop into the store and issue a card at the checkout. Hopefully this doesn't require an expensive purchase.

[Inna]

I'm out of town now, I can't register from my tablet

Inna, I sent / wrote everything to you in PM. I make / arrange such purchases ONLY from a computer (laptop or stationary) ... just from a tablet you can not see all the subtleties that can be written in small print / handwriting From a tablet, even with a cool internet, there are crashes / jambs, so only I use a computer for making purchases, and especially when paying online.
Good luck !!! If you have any questions - write, we will help you as much as we can !!!

It can be inserted into the window when placing an order and the amount will be recalculated.

I even thought about it .. This store is a little bit off, it turns out from time to time that some options do not work in total. ((Therefore, it is possible that they have now decided not to connect this code to the company for online payment. But can you try it?)) By the way, this code can be used for any other purchase from 2.5 thousand, but for a fairly short time. Nakraynyak, give it to someone.))

[Lyudmila]

Girls, thanks. I just can't go through the registration, the Internet through a sim card on the tablet, here the phone is barely catching. And I have the store map. And your message I can not open the connection is dropped.

Added Thursday, December 15, 2016 6:38 PM

I ordered the oven, which I wrote about yesterday. The order came, I'll get it tomorrow. I chose the payment upon receipt and, but Lyudmila Thanks for the help code, the discount worked.
But, as always, I doubt whether it is a good model, maybe it was necessary to take it with steam, or it would be cheaper to search, I'm all in my thoughts.

[Inna]

Added Today at 18:38
I ordered an oven

Good girl !!!

I chose the payment upon receipt

In vain, it was necessary to use a -5% card (1750 rubles on the road is not lying around ...) If there was something wrong with the oven when receiving the goods, then you can refuse and ask to deliver another.

thanks for the help code

Well, what are you

, the discount worked

This is the main thing !!!

as always, I doubt if the model is good

Nice, beautiful, you will be satisfied / satisfied !!!
And most importantly, Inna, do not forget to wash it !!!
The warranty does not apply to unwashed equipment !!!