Panasonic Bread Makers Problems and Breakdowns

[Inna]

Inna Change the flour, or rather its manufacturer, I have the same
I hope you use a scale to measure flour?

WELL, NATURALLY ALL WEIGHTS) AND BEFORE IT WAS NORMAL, AND THE FLOUR OF MACF (((IT WAS ALL THE TIME

I broke my bread maker! From endless power failures (blinking of the display), the oven stopped altogether. Not warm. Finished off, in short. I sent it back to the store, demanding a replacement for a new one.
They brought it, I turn it on - it blinks. I show the courier (store employee) that: I see! does not work (for you) !, I propose a replacement for another brand. I ask: why is the box open? Checked, says pre-sale check. I was working? he: Yes! Fine! All the same, I won't take it, I say, I will think. And I myself have a thought in my head that something is not right, a hike, I myself, with a network, although there is a stabilizer, and the spring is in order. I did not sleep all night, I decided to call the store with a request to bring the stove back. I will, I say, try to turn it on with a surge protector, maybe I have a problem with the network. No problem, they say. We'll bring it, wait! But this oven was checked, in the office at home, they say - it works fine!
I thought even more ... In the evening they brought it, the Box is packed differently. I ask, it seems like the wrong oven? The courier to me is different, they also checked it - it works fine! I unpack it, turn it on - damn it! Blinks, immediately, and a lot (often!) ... Leave, I say, I will figure it out. Thought ... And the neighbor in the apartment has a different phase in the network, we sometimes use it when each other has a problem with the network. I'll go to him, let me, I say I'll try! No question, he says, come on! Turn on - damn it !!! Doesn't blink, absolutely !!!
Like this. I take advantage of his kindness, I have already baked a dozen buns in a new oven, I never blinked! I watch hard, until now.
These are the pies, brothers! In vain to hike, all this hitting the quality of the Panasonic bread maker. Great bread makers, and they work fine! Only now they are not quite adapted to our "networks". But our networks are ... So the question is removed!
Happy baking to you!

[Poul]

Poul Check zero, can it burn out? Stabilizers do not help from this.
If only double conversion OOI.

That zero is normal! The stress does not jump too much, and is always below the required 220, therefore I bought a stabilizer. And the neighbor has the same zero! And spill around 190-200v.

[Poul]

Poul Maybe the outlet is not okay? I don't know what else then. I would take measurements of the spout with a pointer and digital voltage meter in the dynamics by connecting the HP, and I would observe for 2-3 hours

We, at the main power plant, had an accident today, the automation at the station resumed power supply in a few seconds; but having put the bread to bake today, I saw that the stove never blinked! Like this! Here are the "networks"! Ulcerate them! But you can't find the extreme, even if you want ...

[Poul]

Poul Congratulations on the problem solved

Dear forum users, tell me. 2 days ago we bought a Panasonic 257 bakery. Today we decided to make a cupcake, installed the program, launched it. Then they turned it off for a while. The stove blinked and went out. Then, upon switching on, the baking program is set for 4 hours and that's it. The oven doesn't even heat up. The program goes on and that's it. Tell me what to do?

Dear forum users, tell me. 2 days ago we bought a Panasonic 257 bakery. Today we decided to make a cupcake, installed the program, launched it. Then they turned it off for a while. The stove blinked and went out. Then, upon switching on, the baking program is set for 4 hours and that's it. The oven doesn't even heat up. The program goes on and that's it. Tell me what to do?

First, do not panic, read the instructions and the forum https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=94759.0

Andrey, turn on the oven, select the baking program with the extreme left button, set the time and the "start" button

thanks, burst, already set up

Who knows where you can buy a knife for HP. The problem is that the knife remained in the bread, and cutting the bread cut off a piece of the knife from HP. I know what to do ... (((

What to do ... Do nothing! Don't bother, and continue baking bread! This defective knife of yours absolutely does not affect the quality of baking!

Thank you. Well, ordering and smoking a knife somewhere is unrealistic or what?

Really. Or in a service center, or somewhere on Gorbushka.
in the same section there is a topic about spare parts and services
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=50.0

Having familiarized myself with the contents of the branch, I, as the future owner, or rather the operator, of the bread machine, came to the unhappy conclusion:
even the Panasonic 257 - one of the most expensive, but also the most reliable (especially compared to Kenwood DM-450, which is close in price and characteristics, not to mention the others), with intensive, albeit competent operation, the MTBF is about 10-15 months.

It is unrealistic to calculate it as expected - hours of work, but the fact that the mass of users of HP failed (with more or less serious consequences) in up to 2 years. Although I may not have fully familiarized myself with the question, but at first glance - SO ...

The problem is that I have not yet made (although in the near future I am going to) approximate calculations of the cost of the product in HP, and the comparison with the price of products in the store, but at a price of 2000 grams and above, its payback within 2 years is somehow doubtful ...
Although the quality of the products is the MAIN thing - the ability to have the bread that you want on the table, and not the one that is on the counter - is undoubtedly a huge advantage.

But the resource of the most vulnerable nodes and the cost of their repair (up to 50% of the installation cost) lead to sad thoughts. And they are faced with a dilemma: on the one hand, you want to have such a machine, both as an owner, and as an eater, as a food processing engineer, but living every day in anticipation of the failure of your favorite machine is a dubious thrill ...
So it goes.
Shl. It is a pity that PS 257 is not programmable. Interesting it would be like a technologist to play with tech. modes and recipes, but after reading about the miracles with the Kenwood-450 oil seal, I decided that Panasonic is better. and considering the quality of the products in it, even better.

[Bird]

Bird, and where did you get 10-15 months from? For example, I do not see massive reviews that Panasonic for some reason refused after a year of work. Two-three-four years of stable work - what is it, 10-15 months?

[Two-three-four years of stable work - what is it, 10-15 months?]

Bird, where did you get 10-15 months from? For example, I do not see massive reviews that Panasonic for some reason refused after a year of work. Two-three-four years of stable work - what is it, 10-15 months?

No. The problem is that RESOURCE IS COUNTED IN HOURS OF OPERATION. And not in calendar months-years. Subject to normal use, of course. This is the first thing.

Now - the second:

In baking mode, after 4 minutes the heating element turns off. The microcircuit is covered.
I bought it in the Eldorado online store in September 2009. for 6200 rubles. After five months it broke down. I took it to the NSK (national service company) for repair. 4 months fooling around and finally the long-awaited act of non-repairability. Could not fix it due to lack of spare parts supply. Now it is necessary to send by email to the store where you bought the scanned act and they will consider the possibility of a refund. My advice. When buying in an online store, find out right away where they really "live" so that there is where to make claims.
Z. s. I'll get the money, I'll buy the same one again. Technique is technique, sometimes it breaks down.
Igor. Moscow.

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I am reporting. Everything remained as it was - periodic blinking and crackling. I don't know what to do - go to the service to swear or use it like that? The warranty period ends at December. {Reply # 233: 21 Sep. 2010, 13:11 »} I am afraid that the problem may worsen, because after buying the stove it appeared extremely rarely, but now it is almost always.It seems to me that there is a problem in electronics, which means that the whole block needs to be changed.
Enotik70, how are you doing - have the stove returned?

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The stove is almost 2 years old. Recently, during kneading, the blade / shaft on which it sits began to creak. And the other day I noticed that the bucket began to leak. What did the khan come to my stove? Or rather a bucket? The price of the issue is not small. Or can you do something? Is there any oil seal to replace or something? Has anyone treated his Panas for this disease?
I, frankly, have a pre-panic state, because I had a similar experience with LG. There, too, at first, the spatula creaked, the bucket leaked, and then the bucket was covered: the dough fell into the shaft, then it coked up during baking and ended with the death of the bucket.

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My stove was covered with a copper basin
Problem: does not knead the dough, there are no jerks, just a continuous buzzing, weak attempts and the shoulder blade moves like a snail.
I took it to the service. Diagnosis - something got into the engine (oil, fat, ...) HOW ??? if a raisin falls, I immediately remove it, but here ...
Exit: change the engine and something else, at a cost like new.
Yuzala 1.5 years IN ONE DAY {Editing mine, P.K ..
We decided to use it like a jam cooker (and then if I cook something), but I want a new one and THIS again

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This is on the move ...
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Although, of course, you need to know the% of failures in the range of 6-24 months to the total number of HP in operation ...
But in such a lottery sprotlotto with a rate of UAH 2000-2500 it is somehow dumb to play.
And HP has a wish ...
Such a disaster.

[Bird guillemot]

Bird guillemot Here we have a Temka about reliability Which manufacturers are the most reliable bread makers?

sazalexter, you can explain to me what the bird meant

No. The problem is that RESOURCE IS COUNTED IN HOURS OF OPERATION. And not in calendar months-years. Subject to normal use, of course. This is the first thing.

Is this 10-15 months of working life, i.e. real working time?

[Baker]

sazalexter, can you explain to me what the bird meant Is that, 10-15 months of working life, that is, real working time?

I can’t even catch up myself if we take for example SD-253 conscientiously works at Baker since August 2005. https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=27071.10 counting 5 hours a day for 288 days a year for 6 years, it turns out 8640 hours! Or 360 days of continuous work!

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, that's what I was going to write, but then decided, nevertheless, to clarify with you, since you are a man who will convey information to me so that I understand it for sure ... (from experience I know that often women and men speak different languages ​​and understand almost opposite things by the same words)

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Bird guillemotYou state 10 months of what? Real working hours? Okay, counting the real working hours. On average, HP works about one cycle a day (someone has one in 2-3 days, someone has 2-3 cycles a day, so we look at the average version). The main program is 4 hours, that is, at the output we get 1/6 of the calendar time. That is, 10 months with your approach (or I did not understand something from your last message) turn into 60, which is five years (!!!) of normal work. The percentage of breakdowns in the same Panasonic is scanty when compared with other HP, for which you can collect solid statistics.

Only very old HPs can boast of a more solid resource, since the first equipment in its segment is made of a higher quality than equipment with a well-promoted consumer demand (the later it is manufactured, the shorter the service life).

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Marusya29, and what is overcitation for?

Having said

RESOURCE IS COUNTED IN HOURS OF OPERATION. And not in calendar months-years. Subject to normal use, of course.

I meant that the time spent by HP on your living space, calculated in calendar months-years, is not an indicator of its reliability.
For you need to know the intensity of its operation (the number of working cycles per day).

Further.

Rina

The percentage of breakdowns for the same Panasonic is scanty,

A selection from my post on Feb 28. 2011, 21:55? ...
4 breakdowns.
5,10.18 and 24 months of work.
WITH A YEAR WARRANTY.

when compared with other HPs, for which you can collect solid statistics.

That's it. Everything is relative, in our best world.

And Z / P is a constant value.
And for me (who does not consider himself a beggar at all) UAH 2470 for SD 257 is money.
Not huge, not critical, but essential.
I will find where to attach 2.5 pieces. And I would like to have a normal installation for this money, with a resource of about 5-6 years, subject to competent and careful, albeit daily use.
What (IMHO) the manufacturer and supplier cannot guarantee me. Which is unfortunate. For there is a fear that the cost of operating the installation during this time will exceed 2 times the cost of its purchase.

And, what will my beloved and close relatives say, about the wisdom and foresight of the decision I have made, if after 1.5 years the HP of the oak embeds with the premise of resurrection for ~ 50% of the cost, I can imagine. Distinctly. Uch Reading my two diplomas and a record in labor: baker 4 p.

ABOUT WHAT SAVINGS (due to the difference in the cost of the product in HP and bread in the store) AND PLEASURE OF WORK CAN WE TALK ABOUT?

Although I do not argue - probably in its price category P-257 is the most successful HP available on our market. And the most expensive one.
~ (2300-2500 versus 1800-2000 for Kenwoods, and LG with similar characteristics).

[Bird guillemot]

Bird guillemot, and where did you find UAH 2470? In Eldorad? Or Comfi? And online stores (by the way, quite solid ones) can be found from UAH 1,700.
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The difference with retail is almost 90 USD. e.

Anyway, there is almost no Panasonic on the market now. Look at the Orions, also with a dispenser, 13 programs, and even "sweet pastries" (with which Panasonic is not very good friends) - Orion OBM-24W from 72 to 90 dollars. You will save two thousand at once, and the HP will work for a year or two ...

And one more interesting point.

Dear, but after all, service centers are not a neighbor-KIPovets, Uncle Vasya, who, for a quarter of a muddy one, solders the HP control unit to us, bringing it back to life.

Panas, Kenwood, and LG with DeLongi are serious firms. Serious grandmothers playing adult games on the household appliances market.

And there is a MODERN SUSPECTION that STILL AT THE STAGE OF THE MODEL DEVELOPMENT and - MORE THAN, at the stage of modernizing the series (Kenwood BM 150-450, Panas 253-257, etc.) by means of smart mathematical models, everything was known. And the MTBF is ALSO.

Based on this, the optimal design solutions were chosen in order to reduce the material and labor intensity of the product manufacturing process, which gave a decent cost reduction, made it possible to keep the reliability at a more or less acceptable level ...

And several years of sales of products and their operation have confirmed the correctness of the decision:

"Moulinex is bullshit {And what - no? Sorry if anyone hurt .. P.K.}? ......... ~

"A PIPL H A B A E T!" (from)
And a number of Mulinex on the shelves of hypermarkets suggest that "you are going the right way, comrades!" (from)
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As for the high cost of HP.
All hands do not reach the calculation of the cost of products (for example, "simple" flour made from BC), but IMHO - cheaper than in a bakery store. And - better (which, for me, no doubt).
About archery-garlic-cheese and tdddd. - generally keep quiet. And croissants too.

Now a QUESTION? Where is the logic :
buy a stove for ~ 1000-1500 gr at once, or pay 1.5 and pay another 1000 (or one and a half) gr on credit.
Expensive ? Interest? And 1.5-2 years of life (in a good scenario) and inevitable expensive repairs for the same ~ 700-900 UAH (50%) - marzipans? ...

Comfi

And online stores (quite, by the way, solid ones) can be found from UAH 1,700.
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Rina, thanks, and
"tell aunt Haya, sho Benya knows for the ambush"

Only in the I-mage this wunder machine is not shuffled with your paws, you cannot twist the shaft and you cannot drive it through the modes. How cleverly advised in one of the topics.
Wouldn't it hurt ...
And then what - shall I complain to the King? Shall I complain about the king?
For it is a dreary thing to shuffle it around with autolux.
Although 90 bucks is a significant difference.
What is the catch.

Well, this is already a topic about online stores (somewhere we had one).By the way, I ordered in such a store (however, delivery within the city), not knowing at all what kind of animal a bread maker was.

In general, it's up to you to decide. For my part, having already solid experience, I will say - most likely, I would not buy a Panasonic for 240-300 USD (this is how much it cost even in online stores for quite a long time). I was just lucky to get one of the latest offers at a reasonable price, and even having the required amount on hand.

And the offer to look at another cheaper stove was no joke. If we are afraid of breakage, then not for such solid money

..... and the inevitable expensive repairs ....

Why is it inevitable? You say so, as if in 100% of cases, every stove will definitely need to be repaired in a year. Are you immediately and guaranteed to get into these 1-2 percent of breakdowns?

And about the decrease in reliability ... read a short story
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=120.0

Rina. Many thanks for Orion's recommendation.

Are you immediately and guaranteed to get into these 1-2 percent of breakdowns?

1-2%? At Panasonic - maybe. Or maybe not. See 4 quotes from Panas operators. They carried the moon.

So this is Panasonic. And the rest?
10-20? Or 20-40 or ...

The companies are different, the songs are also very different.

in a year, every stove will definitely need to be repaired.

Not every one. Maybe 5 months. or maybe 15. And it will burn - 36. All other things being equal (although this does not happen, people are different, raw materials are different ... but still).

You can read about the problem of the oil seal wear (and not isolated cases) with the depressurization of the bucket on the Kenwoods (not at all cheap) in the topic of comparing it with the PS.

About Moulinex ... Also a stove. Not TOP models, ess-but.

And the most reasonable conclusion is this:

LIMIT ESTIMATED LIFE TIME ~ 18-24 MONTHS Instead of chasing 4-6 years.

AND THINKWHICH MODEL HAS SUCH RESERVE WILL ALLOW HAVE ON THE TABLE THE LARGEST RANGE OF PRODUCTS OF ACCEPTABLE QUALITY.
What you said.

I baked in mulinex for two years, there were no problems, and now they bought Panasonic, and I don't understand something. Kneading and proofing - everything is in order. But when baking begins, it bakes for 10 minutes, then stops and writes HOI, and then, when it gets cold, it turns on again for a couple of minutes. Has anyone had this? What to do?

this should not be so, contact the service

[service manual for SD-207:]

service manual for SD-207:
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[balerian1]

balerian1 Thank you, of course, on the forum it is true it is also on SD255

[balerian1]

balerian1 Thank you, of course, on the forum it is true it is also on SD255

oops ..... inattentively browsed the forum

Hello, I have a problem (maybe) I recently bought a Panasonic 256 bread maker, I really like everything about it, it cooks deliciously, but when making bread, the case gets very hot, especially in the upper part. Tell me, should it be?

And how much is "very hot"? In degrees Celsius, Kelvin?
Is it just unpleasant to touch or is the plastic already melting?
On my device, caring Chinese have pasted the label "Caution, very hot surface!"
I take their word for it.

A bread maker is, in general, an oven ... It bakes at 180 degrees, therefore it heats up. Of course, except for cases when the temperature is above 180 and the lid is already melting. In this case, it is already abnormal.

Nothing melts, but when touched it is very hot, I had experience using the Mulinex bread machine, also plastic, it was slightly warm.

People, I have a trouble!
A week ago I baked bread - no problem. And today I loaded everything into a bucket, turned it on, ... and the kneading spatula does not rotate. The engine is running, "beating" at full speed, and the scapula seems to be welded on. I unloaded everything from the bucket, checked if I installed it correctly, but ...
Is it deadly? Do you need to carry it to the service, or can you somehow solve the problem on your own?
I would be very grateful for any advice.

People, I have a trouble!
A week ago I baked bread - no problem. And today I loaded everything into a bucket, turned it on, ...and the kneading paddle does not rotate. The engine is running, "beating" at full speed, and the scapula seems to be welded on. I unloaded everything from the bucket, checked if I installed it correctly, but ...
Is it deadly? Do I need to carry it to the service, or can I somehow solve the problem on my own?
I would be very grateful for any advice.

Try to turn on the stove without a bucket and a spatula .... check if the pin on which the spatula is put on rotates ... or try to turn it with your hand. HP under warranty? It is advisable to post a photo of HP

I'm in trouble !!!!
I have a Panasonic SD-255 stove.
there have never been problems, but the last 2 times when making butter dough,
the oven kneaded the dough, but it did not rise, touched the shadows, and they are cold. What to do?

I'm in trouble !!!!
I have a Panasonic SD-255 stove.
there have never been problems, but the last 2 times when making butter dough,
the oven kneaded the dough, but it did not rise, touched the shadows, and they are cold. What to do?

Must watch....

[sveta7466]

sveta7466 On what mode did you knead the dough? Dough recipe, please write!

So I'm wondering. LG, they say, hardly heats up, and my Panasonic SD 257 is boiling water (side, back, front, top).

This is normal?

Good day! I have a Panasonic SD257 stove, it is only 2 months old and everything was fine, today I turn it on, everything that can be lit on the display and the buttons do not respond .. what to do? Help me please!

[ornamento]

ornamento try to unplug the plug for 45 minutes, then plug it back on

thanks !!!!, turned it on in an hour - it worked !!!

Hello! I have an S-255, and such a problem is when the HP works, the display flashes and when heated, something clicks constantly, the cooking time increases. If the stove has not been used for a week or more, then the bread is baked, and if it is baked the next day, then it is not baked. They gave it to the SC where she stood for 2 weeks and baked good bread, They said that there are no faults. If the reason was in the socket, then HP would not bake good bread at all. I do not know what to do!!!

[Evgesha]

Evgesha Each time after baking bread, remove the plug from the mains. It looks like you have an error due to voltage instability.